For names, use the ones from the old version, (pretty good names) And any new factions, you just make up those from "local" names (aka Duchy of Saxon, use German names, but add a few Polish, and a few Danish in there to)
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For names, use the ones from the old version, (pretty good names) And any new factions, you just make up those from "local" names (aka Duchy of Saxon, use German names, but add a few Polish, and a few Danish in there to)
will there be a real campaign to this mod? much as i was impressed with the quality of N:TW 5.0, i was disapponted to find that it was (AFAIK) just a collection of battles. :(
What do you call a 'real campaign' ?
If you're speaking about a campaign on a campaign map, with different factions, then there's one in N:TW.
If you're speaking about Historical campaigns (which rather look like a collection of battles), then I don't understand what's the problem, since historical campaigns of original MTW are exactly the same thing.
~:joker: maybe i'm being particularly stupid, but i checked briefly in the new game and only saw the standard Early/Late/High/Vikings campaigns listed, so i wnet to the Historical Campaigns section and found only set-piece battles.
maybe i'd better go and have another look. ~:doh:
You must have screwed up something, because I have 2 files in my NTW startpos folder : Nap_Beta5 and Nap_Beta5a ~;)
lol, no it was me being dumb.
N:TW campaign was their, it was just under the FOV in the campaign selector, scroll down and voila. ~:lightbulb:
Yes, it'll be a 'real' campaign, in fact it's a total conversion. Three campaigns (early, high, late - see the first pages of this thread) but (for the first beta) without changes to the standard TW campaign map.Quote:
Originally Posted by Peregrine_Tergiversate
Historical battles are planned only, we've collected a lot of raw material (descriptions, map pictures, unit lists etc.) but there's no work done (battle/castle maps, historical battle scripts) yet as far as i know.
The Thirty Years War, the English Civil War, the French Religious Wars, the Nordic Wars before 1700, the Dutch Independence War, the Bishops War, the Italian Wars, the Cossak Wars, the Austro-Turkish Wars, some Portuguese Battles in Northern Africa...
Lots of possibilities - :phonecall: pm me if you're interested to do some work on it.
~:wave: Alex
sounds great, sadly my modding skillz are limited to UnrealED*, and my knowledge of history jumps from the end of the crusades to napoleonic, lol.
* www.spandex.eclipse.co.uk
@AlexPeters
Wow, this mod looks incredible. I absolutely can't wait.
But for Rome, there is another mod like this called Citadel Total War (check the link below or the thread in this forum for more details)
What can I say?
It looks absolutely great! I didnt believe I would miss so much these holidays. You did a brilliant job guys. :jumping: :iloveyou:
In a little more practical manner, If you need unit descriptions for the infopics or age descriptions for spain You only have to tell me about it.
I didnt have the chance to read everything that has been done since I last read this thread, so I dont know (yet) what needs to be done. If I can help in any way, please dont hesitate to tell me about it.
Yours.
SM
:bow:
Hi SwordsMaster,
nice to see you again. Well, i think cegorach (aka Hetman) will appreciate any help on the descriptions (not only for the spanish units). It's quite a lot of work even more for non native speakers...
You should better mail him so that he can explain what needs to be done:
Cegorach77@o2.pl
Here are the unique Spanish Units:
Infantry
- Spanish Corselet (or Armoured) Pikemen
- Spanish Pikemen
- Spanish Arquebusiers (or Harquebusiers)
- Spanish Musketeers,
- Fourageers
- Spanish Reformed Musketeers (bigger units)
- Spanish Reformed Pikemen (smaller units)
- Spanish Arbalesters
- 'Encamisados'
- 'Picas Secas' (with halfpikes)
- Rodeleros (round shield swordsmen)
- 'Maestre de Campo' bodyguards (8 men halberdier unit)
- Royal guard infantry unit - 'Guardia du corps' (halberd and arquebus)
Cavalry
- Men at Arms ( Archeros) - Spanish Royal Guards (knights - lancers)
- Jinetes - 'Celadas' (light lancers)
- 'Herreruelo' - Spanish Cuirassiers
- Later Spanish Royal Guards (lighter armoured, no lance)
- Later Jinetes - 'Celadas' (light cavalry, no lance)
- Spanish Dragoons
The italian and wallon units (that are available to Spain) have been changed recently, i'm not sure at the moment which of them are still in the mod:
- Wallon Pikemen
- Wallon Musketeers
- Wallon Arquebusiers (or Harquebusiers)
- Italian Corselets
- Italian Pikemen
- Italian Arquebusiers
- Italian Musketeers
Info pics for (nearly) all of them are done.
Alex ~:wave:
I think it is impossible to add more than 30 heroes to the game for each faction. So bear this in mind.
Second - command value.
It is important to judge well the skills of commanders. For this mod I'm using this system to judge how many stars should be added.
1-2 skilled commander of small forces or rather bad commander for an army;
3- an excellent commander of a small force;
3-4- a good commander of an army;
5-6 - a very good commander for an army, lost only few battles, crushed stronger enemy many times;
7 - a genius, always or almost always victorious, enemy fears even his name;
8-9 - not in this mod;
These numbers are for the 'starting' level - without any titles.
Remember though that it is easy to 'promote' generals by various titles so it is rather easy to create very good commanders, but still 9 stars' generals shouldn't appear very often.
Third - some virtues and vices modify command level - the lists of these can be found in Loc/Eng/changes.txt and in Loc/Eng/Events.txt
read them before posting something, please.
Regards Cegorach/Hetman ~;p
P.S. Good to see You Swordmaster ~;)
Hello everybody.
The time of my absence is over and I'm back for this project. Althought I was expecting I'd be back much sooner (second half of August), I had numerous problems to deal with that delayed my return here. I feel obliged to tell you about this, because I didn't contact you before. The first and the least important problem was that my e-mail account was hijacked and my PC cought some nasty viruses. I was unable to even check my mail. It was before I went on my vacations. To make it all worse I forgot my password (to log in to The Guild) and I didn't want to create a new member account but rather to reactivate the old one. As you can see it's done. But the biggest problem I had to deal with that held me back for so long was that on my way back home from the vacations I had a car accident and was injured. Due to this sad incident I was temporarily unable to do anything more than just lay down in bed. My ribs and my elbow is much better now, and so I'm now able to do much more. At the end of August a deal with my internet provider had expired and so I had to sign a new one. But as at that time I was unable to go and do that, I did that just two days ago.
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For the last week or so I've been working on various graphics for this mod and I have some nice looking surprises for you to see soon. And so, starting from the most relevant:
I'm now testing a reitar (sp) graphics, and I think that soon I'll be able to provide you with some screenshots. I believe that this bif will work for quite a number of units.
I made fight animations for Husaria graphics, but I'm not quite satisfied with the result. However this is a matter of taste (some of you will surely like it) and of my skills, which are limited.
I'm now adding shooting and fighting animations for that tatar graphics I made (or rather converted from STW-MI) before.
I remade a large number of info pics and I think they look now much much better.
Also I made some number of other, minor stuff like unit icons, portraits, flags, shields etc. .
There is one more surprise (thinking of unit graphics), but I won't tell you about it now - you'll have to wait for the screenshots.
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Also I'd like to say that I'm really glad the mod is progressing and you all are doing a very good job. I will contact some of you individually to discuss some of the details.
Regards
EC
Hey,
thanks for the welcome guys!
welcome back EC! Im sorry to hear about the accident and Im glad you are getting better. ~:pat:
About heroes: I think there shouldnt be ANY hero "born" with more than 6* except, maybe kings. The reason for that is simple, if you give a man like Gustavus Adolphus (7* gen) a couple of titles you can get an 11* guy easily which will break the balance of the game IMHO.
About Graphics: There will be a LOT of pike-musket units. Thats good. But there will be a lot of pike-musket units that belong to the same nation (eg: spanish,wallon,italian pikemen) are the unit graphics going to be different for each one?
Another thing I just thought of: I realized that there are some unit names that are written directly in the language of the faction they belong to (e.g. Encamisados) so why not write all the unit names in their country´s language. I think that would avoid the repetition of the "Country- unit type" structure. The only problem I see is the Cirillyc (is it written right?) for the russian-polish units.
Anyway, just an idea.
I think thats about all for now guys.
Regards
SM ~:wave:
Hi EC ~:wave: ,
i'm glad to see you again and i hope you're allright after this accident.
We've divided the work a little in the mean time:
Cegorach (Hetman) is working on all scripts and other text based things and he's also the 'collection point' for all infos and files. ~;) He has made the flags also.
I'm doing all the other 2D graphics stuff, info pics (only ~20 left to do), frontend/menue graphics and portraits. Raw material for all purposes could be delivered quickly and free of charge for most tasks by me also. :saint:
A guy with the nick ghost_dog from the Polish Total War Forum is currently working on unit models and animations (Landsknechts).
There are also a lot of other members of the org who have offered infos or are working on smaller tasks (e.g. descriptions, portraits, heroes and names)...
I think the work will become a lot easier with all of you 'back on board' now ~:grouphug:
Alex
P.S. @SwordsMaster
I agree. There will be too many heroes with command 9 (it's the highest number possible) if we start with 7 stars. 5 or 6 (for really famous commanders, e.g. Parma, Gustav Adolph, Turenne) are enough, combined with offices he easily becomes an 8+ star general.
Well guys...I'm really looking forward to this mod..and...well...do we have an expected release date for beta?!?! I CAN'T STAND THE TENSION OR WAITING ANYMORE!!! ~:joker: ~;p
Swordmaster
All the unitnames should be written in national languages, at this moment I need - spanish, italian, french, ukrainian, hungarian and few turkish & tatar names.
BTW In Poland we are using latin alphabet from 966 - quite long, I think.
regards Cegorach/Hetman
P.S. EC it is VERY,VERY GOOD that You are OK and back ~D
Some additional screenshots (mostly testing stuff):
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...W/szlachta.jpg
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...TW/general.jpg
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...W/konnitsa.jpg
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...TW/tytuly2.jpg
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v370/PMTW/tytuly.jpg
Some points regarding the spanish units:
"Normal practice in the Spanish service was to place new recruits in garrison in the North African or Italian colonies where they could learn the rudiments of soldiering before going on campaign."
"The Spanish, Italian, Scots, Irish and English renegade tercios consisted of around 12 companies, each with a theoretical strength of 250 men. Each company was made up of either 11 officers, 219 pikemen (half armoured and half unarmoured) and 20 musketeers; or of 11 officers, 224 arquebusiers and 15 musketeers. Two out of every 12 companies in a tercio were intended to be shot-armed; therefore a standard 12-company tercio would consist of 2190 pike, 448 arquebusiers and 230 musketeers."
"German, Burgundian and Wallon foot were organised into regiments of ten companies of 300 men, half shot and half pikemen."
all excerpts from: The Armada Campaign 1588, Osprey Publishing
Alex
Ok, heres my 2 pence: translated spanish units
Singular/Plural
Spanish Corselet (or Armoured) Pikemen ------------ Corselete/s
Spanish Pikemen ----------------------------------- Piquero/s
Spanish Arquebusiers (or Harquebusiers) ------------ Arcabucero/s
Spanish Musketeers, ------------------------------- Mosquetero/s
Fourageers ---------------------------------------- Forrajero/s
Spanish Reformed Musketeers (bigger units) ------ Mosquetero/s Reformado/s
Spanish Reformed Pikemen (smaller units) -------- Piquero/s Reformado/s
Spanish Arbalesters -------------------------------- Ballestero/s
'Encamisados' -------------------------------------- Encamisado/s
'Picas Secas' (with halfpikes) ----------------------- Picas Secas (this is a unit type, not a soldier´s "name", so no plural)
Rodeleros (round shield swordsmen) ----------------- Rodelero/s
'Maestre de Campo' bodyguards (8 men halberdier unit) -- Guardia Tudesca
Royal guard infantry unit - 'Guardia du corps' --------- Guardia Real
Men at Arms ( Archeros) - Spanish Royal Guards ----- Archero/s
Jinetes - 'Celadas' (light lancers) -------------------- Celadas
'Herreruelo' - Spanish Cuirassiers -------------------- Herreruelo/s
Later Spanish Royal Guards ------------------------- Nueva Guardia Real(Literally: new Royal guard)
Later Jinetes - 'Celadas' ---------------------------- Celada/s Reformada/s
I dont like this name, It sounds somewhat ridiculous in spanish, but I cant think of anything better
Spanish Dragoons ---------------------------------- Dragon/es
Wallon Pikemen ------------------------------------ Piquero/s Valon/es
Wallon Musketeers --------------------------------- Mosquetero/s Valon/es
Wallon Arquebusiers (or Harquebusiers) -------------- Arcabucero/s Valon/es
Italian Corselets ------------------------------------ Corselete/s Italiano/s
Italian Pikemen ------------------------------------- Piquero/s Italiano/s
Italian Arquebusiers -------------------------------- Arcabucero/s Italiano/s
Italian Musketeers --------------------------------- Mosquetero/s Italiano/s
Italian Herreruelos --------------------------------- Herreruelo/s Italiano/s
Sorry I forgot to add this last unit to the original roster.
Random historical notes and suggestions:
First :in 1480 Spain was still Castile and Aragon and Granada. Aragon controlled Aragon, Valencia,Sicily,Naples,Sardinia and some N.African colonies; Granada owned Granada, and Castile all the rest of Iberia except Portugal.
Second: As Naples has been under spanish control for so long, I thought that Spain should be able to build in Naples most of the "Spanish" native units as well. Or give +1 moral to all "italian" units built there. just a thought.
PS. Ok, sorry Cegorach, didnt know that. ~:cheers:
Well, I guess thats all.
Regards. :bow:
About generals' command value. Well...
I can decrease my system's values by 1, so legendary commanders would be given 6 stars instead of 7 ( in my polish list - the first one completed... almost there's still one slot to use - there is only ONE so good commander, even though many achieved stunning victories), however I WON'T decrease by 2 or more stars, because it is far too easy
to promote from rank 0 to rank 3 by winning battles only !
So if the majority of our team want it to be changed, I will do this, but by 1 star only, no more.
Second thing, when You propose a hero please judge famous KINGS ( e.g. Gustav Adolph) better than ordinary commanders, because they can't be granted with office titles. So in my opinion Gustav Adolph should get 7 or even 8 stars.
Finally - when You choose a vice or a virtue for a hero, please be careful, use only the best one You think, and remember some of these can be represented by acumen, piety, dread or loyalty.
There is only ONE to choose, I know sometimes it is hard to choose which one, to me it was also pretty difficult to prepare the in-game list of Polish heroes.
Regards Cegorach/Hetman ~;)
... a little promotion :wink3:
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v370/PMTW/Absent.jpghttps://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...TW/Appeal2.jpghttps://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...TW/Appeal3.jpghttps://img.photobucket.com/albums/v370/PMTW/Appeal.jpg
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...TW/BeReady.jpghttps://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...TW/LongWay.jpghttps://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...menBritain.jpg
P.S. Edited - I've linked them directly it's easier to follow the discussion then. All pictures are modified propaganda posters from the First or Second World War.
Is that angus mcbrides pic in the middle AP? Is it from the polish armies book?
BKB, i don't know for sure, i don't own that one. The Armoured Peasant Pikeman is from 'German Peasants' War', the 'Be Ready' Landsknecht with the Halberd is from 'The Landsknechts' ,the Spanish Musketeer on the 'Tipperary' pic is from 'The Armada Campaign' and the Trained Bands on the 'Women of Britain' are also from that book - all others are made of various web sources. ~:wave:
Of course it is! Should have known - I have that book! :wall:
BKB
So I have a question - is the Polish-Scottish infantry ( from Scottish refugees who arrived to Poland) described in these books ?
If it is I think it is rather very reliable.
Regards Cegorach ~;)
Unfortunately i was refering to the german peasants war, i don't have the polish book yet. I 'm getting it in a couple of days though so if you need info from it just ask mate :laugh4:
Some infos: :book:
http://people.freenet.de/totalwar/sc...ightsMalta.gif
The hierarchy and offices of the Knights of St. John:
Grand Master (in Italian: Gran Maestri)
the head of the Order, elected for life time by the Knights
Gonfalonier (standard bearer, a Gonfalon is a special flag)
his assistant (?), most prestigous rank in the Order, always on the flank of the Grand Master.
8 major 'Langues' (~Languages, means origin in this context), each lead by a Grand Prior (his palace was called 'Auberge'),
hierarchy by seniority (date of founding), they elect the Grand Master and are also in charge of different offices:
Langue of Provence:
Grand Preceptor (Chief Treasurer)
Langue of Auvergne:
Grand Marshal (Military Administration)
Langue of France:
Chief Hospitable (Health Care, Hospitals)
Langue of Italy:
Admiral (Order's Fleet, Ship-building)
The Order's Navy had two War Congregations. One was responsible for the Men-of-War or Navy, and the other for the galleys.
These congregations were under the command of an Admiral who however, in time of War, was subordinate to the Marshal of the Order.
He was supported by a General and two Lieutenant generals, one for the Men-of-War and the other for the Galleys.
We could split the Office (if we want an additional one): 'Commander of the Fleet' and 'Commander of the Galleys'
Langue of Aragon:
Grand Conservator (Logistics and Supplies)
Langue of Castille and Leon (includes Portugal):
Chancellor (supplied all the scribes of the Order)
Langue of Germany:
Grand Bailiff (Master of the Fortifications)
Langue of England (includes Bavaria):
Turcopilier (Commander of the Christian Janissaries, the Cavalry and the Coastguard)
The ordinary Knight was called Fra (~Brother).
Alex
P.S. ... and some more pics: :ears:
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...fFrancaise.jpghttps://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...W/SeeWorld.jpghttps://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...atchingYou.jpghttps://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...TW/WishMan.jpg
[QUOTE=The Blind King of Bohemia]Unfortunately i was refering to the german peasants war, i don't have the polish book yet. I 'm getting it in a couple of days though so if you need info from it just ask mate :laugh4:[/QUOTE]
Thanks, but I think I'm pretty well informed, however I like checking foreign books about Polish history and correcting errors if there are such.
Regards Cegorach :bow:
Second thing, when You propose a hero please judge famous KINGS ( e.g. Gustav Adolph) better than ordinary commanders, because they can't be granted with office titles. So in my opinion Gustav Adolph should get 7 or even 8 stars.
What about kings like Philip IV who have never been on a battlefield? How do you judge their Command value?
Quote:
Originally Posted by SwordsMaster
Command 0... ~;)
Some additional screenshots (mostly testing stuff again):
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...newcolours.jpg
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v370/PMTW/tabor.jpg (Cossack War Wagon formation, sorry no special animation)
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...galvsSpain.jpg
and some info pics for ships:
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...TW/fregata.jpg
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v370/PMTW/line.jpg
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...ekhandlowy.jpg
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v370/PMTW/ship.jpg
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v370/PMTW/czajka.jpg (Cossack Ship, small fleet of gun boats with oars)
Alex ~:wave:
I have been looking for a game that incorporates the 16th Century (and the 17th Century). It will be really great if you get this done. How is going?
Brother Richard
It's going well - we're talking about weeks (not months:clown:) for a first beta release (only for testing purposes)...
The unit rooster could be found here (not up to date but quite correct):
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=33363
or on page 18 of this thread.
Screenshots could be found here (or on different pages of this thread):
http://totalwar.org.pl/board/viewtopic.php?t=685 (Polish Total War Forum)
Help, especially on unit description texts, names and heroes lists is still much appreciated, same for someone who's able to make some battle- or castlemaps and/or historical battles (raw material for both tasks is available).
Some more portraits for the Ottomans (no sultans) and all balcan factions (e.g. hungary, wallachia) would be great also i guess.
The unit rooster is fixed for the moment, so no new unit proposals are needed.
If you want to aid, simply send a private message or mail to cegorach or me, or post in this thread.
Alex
I've found some more details about the Bavarian Black Cuirassiers (picture), more or less by accident as i was researching heroes for the HRE and the German states ~D
Could be useful for a description and there's also a major change in tactics i didn't knew before (they charged with 'cold steel' and didn't fight in 'Caracole' style as i thought before).
The Black Cuirassier regiment was founded in Bayern in the year 1619 getting, according to custom, the name of his leader: the field-marshall count Gottfried-Heinrich Pappenheim. During the Thirty-years War (1618-1648) the regiment became very famous and was called the "Black Cuirassiers".
Pappenheim's famous Black Cuirassiers (also known as 'Pappenheimer') were on the left, the same men who
had breached the defenses of Magdeburg, and initiated the city's massacre (known as 'Magdeburger Pardon')
(Excerpt from a description of the battle of Breitenfeld)
Pappenheim was perhaps the most famous mercenary cavalry leader of the Thirty Years' War. He had learnt his trade with the Poles, and from them he borrowed their favoured tactic of the charge with cold steel as opposed to the convoluted cavalry firearm tactics of the caracole, that were favoured in Western Europe at the time. Pappenheim was a truculent subordinate whose appetite for plunder made him difficult to control. However in 1623 he gained his own cuirassier regiment, whose black armour and dashing commander soon gained them a fearsome reputation
from: http://www.strategos.demon.co.uk/tywhome/Pappenheim.htm
Some details on arms and armour:
blackened 3/4 armour (as most of the heavy imperial horsemen)
formidable sword-rapiers with a special basket (often copied, style was named 'Pappenheimer basket')
wheel-lock pistols (first cavalry in europe that was equipped with them because they were invented in Augsburg/Bavary)
If we want to use a more localized name for these troops you could call them either 'Pappenheimer Kürassier' (Pl. 'Pappenheimer Kürassiere') or simply 'Pappenheimer Reiter' (Sg/Pl are equal).
Alex
P.S. And here are some new screenshots:
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...TW/Serdiuk.jpg
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v370/PMTW/Legat.jpg
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...TW/Jezuita.jpg
God, Alex Peters, you are a genius! I never thought I'd start to go mad with anticipation over a bunch of screenshots! (actually, it's already happened very many times with RTW) Just look at all those units.
... thanks for the compliment but i'm not deserving it, i've just copied the links to the screenshots into this thread. :bow:
Cegorach and Robert (from the polish tw forum) are working on the implementation (that's also the reason for such an amount of polish focused screenshots, i guess :inquisitive: ), the others are working on raw material (mostly graphics of all kinds and lists of lists of lists of heroes and names).
Alex ~:wave:
And here (a lot) more infos: :book:
Offices for Sweden:
The Riksrådet (Privy Council or Council of the Realm) originated as a council of personal advisors to the Monarch, the member was called Riksråd (Privy Councillor). The senior posts of the Riksrådet:
Rikskansler (Lord High Chancellor)
Riksdrots (Lord Chief Justice)
Riksmarskalk (Lord High Constable)
The Royal declaration of 1611 lead to two additional posts:
Riksskattmästare (Lord High Treasurer)
Riksamiral (Lord High Admiral)
Offices for Denmark:
The head of state is called 'Konge af Danmark og Norge' (king of Denmark and Norway, i'd suggest to split the title).
The Statsrådet (Council of State, also called Rigsrådet sometimes) is the Danish Privy Council, the body of advisors to the Danish Sovereign comprises all cabinet ministers and the Crown Prince when he is of age. When unavailable, the Sovereign is represented by a Rigsforstander (Lord Protector).
Norway kept its separate laws and some institutions, such as a royal chancellor, and separate coinage and army (treasurer and constable/marshal ?).
Chancellor of Denmark (probably 'Rigskansler af Danmark')
Chancellor of Norway (probably 'Rigskansler af Norge')
that's all i know about Denmark so far - sorry.
Offices for England (and its realm):
The Great Officers of State are officers who either inherit their positions or are appointed by the Crown, and exercise certai functions. Separate Great Officers exist(ed) for England, Scotland, and Ireland. Some officers are appointed, while others inherit their positions. The following list is ordered by importance:
1. Lord High Steward (since 1421 only appointed temporarily for the days of the coronation of a new king or at the Trials of Peers)
2. Lord High Chancellor (often combined with the office Lord Keeper of the Great Seal)
3. Lord High Treasurer (monetary matters, de facto Prime Minister)
4. Lord President of the Council (normally combined with the office Leader of the House of Commons)
5. Lord Privy Seal (or 'Lord Keeper of the Privy Seal', normally combined with the office Leader of the House of Lords)
6. Lord Great Chamberlain (hereditary, Earls of Oxford)
7. Lord High Constable (originally the commander of the royal armies and the Master of the Horse, hereditary, Earls of Hereford - since 1521, the office is a temorarily appointment for the days of the coronation of a new king or at the Trials of Peers only)
8. Earl Marshal (regulation of heraldry, hereditary, Dukes of Norfolk - since the Reformation the holder had to appoint a Protestant Deputy if he was a Roman Catholic)
9. Lord High Admiral (naval matters)
other offices:
Lord Steward of the Household (one of the chief officers of the royal household)
Lord Chamberlain of the Household (one of the chief officers of the royal household)
Scotland and Ireland under english rule (i assume all other Great offices are mirrored additional to those i'm listing here, see below Scotland):
Lord High Steward of Scotland (title is held by the heir-apparent)
Lord Chancellor of Scotland
Lord High Stewards of Ireland (also known as 'Hereditary Seneschal', hereditary, Earls of Shrewsbury and Waterford)
Lord Chancellor of Ireland
Earl Marshal of Ireland
Offices of Scotland:
Great officers of Scotland (i don't know whether they are originally Scottish or implemented by the English rulers):
1. Lord High Commissioner to the General Assembly of the Church of Scotland
2. Great Steward of Scotland
3. Lord Keeper of the Great Seal of Scotland
4. Lord Keeper of the Privy Seal of Scotland
5. Hereditary High Constable of Scotland
6. Earl Marischal
7. Hereditary Master of the Household in Scotland
8. Lord Justice General
9. Lord Clerk Register
10. Lord Advocate
11. Lord Justice Clerk
12. Lord Lyon King of Arms (regulation of heraldry)
Most infos are from various articles of the Wikipedia.
Alex
"tactic of the charge with cold steel as opposed to the convoluted cavalry firearm tactics of the caracole"
Honestly I actually made them to use this tactic, I simply thought that they had to use if they were so good...
Thanks for the additional info, certainly useful for descriptions (soon I will have to write many of them).
Maybe soon we will have new and really good WAR WAGON INFANTRY with much better graphics !
More screenshots soon ( Hospitallier Knights titles).
Regards Hetman/Cegorach ~;)
Some possible offices for Finland (Swedish province):
Lagman ("lawman")=Governor
Archbishop of Finland ot may be "The See of Åbo"?
@AlexPeters
The Pike and Musket mod is very close in terms of time to the Citadel mod.
So when you are finished, would you like to help?
Cegorach has asked me to put those in here for you:
The Wagonburg
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v.../Nowytabor.jpg
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...burgmoving.jpg (on the move)
I guess he will also tell you what's that special on these war wagons (with battering rams animations). ~D
:bow: Alex
P.S. @SilverRusher: It'll still take a lot of time to finish this mod, so i don't even think about doing another one yet...
P.P.S.
Some more info pics:
Regimental Artillery
Swiss Pikeman
HRE Cuirassier
This mod is gonna be really good, I think.
How will stuff like the English Civil War be handled, as it is impossible to cause stuff to happen at a particular year in MTW?
BTW, it's good to see you on 600 posts!
WAGONS
This is something which could be only called 'a moving fortress'. The wagons are slow and vulnerable to artillery, in addition it is useless vs. infantry, BUT it is almost invulnerable to cavalry, offers some cover ( hard to destroy with ranged weaponry other than artillery) and can shoot ( musket accuracy and firepower).
Why is it almost invul. vs. cavalry i.e. not absolutely ?
It requires a longer explanation. I have shown these war wagons to my friend who played MTW a little.
Last time he wanted to test them in combat, so I offered him an opportunity. I have watched this battle and noticed that he charged the wagons with Nogay Tatar ( very weak) cavalry. Of course I thought - 'their last mistake', but...
I couldn't believe my eyes, they had actually succeeded !
The wagons started fleeing and were cut to pieces by the swift Tatars.
Never underestimate crazy orders like this !
I imagine the wagons' crew:
- 'Janos ( they were Hungarians) these Tatars are going to charge us'
- 'They don't understand that we have +16 bonus to defence against them?'
- 'No, it seems they don't worry about it'
- 'Run away, these guys don't respect the rules !' ;)))
Most likely the wagons' crew panicked because of the charge and it was enough.
I've noticed that AI knows how to attack the wagonburg - no cavalry charges, only infantry attacks which break the formation opening the way for cavalry to finish off the defenders.
Unfortunatelly, the AI is not able to use all possible advantages of this unit when defending or attacking.
For the release I'm going to write a kind of guide for some units
( warwagons, Polish Winged Hussars, Tatars with arkans, regimental cannons maybe) to show some of their, less obvious, abilities
@Silver Rusher
To re-create this event nothing will be possible, maybe in future two factions
( republicans and royalists ?) will be added.
I have seen you mod. For Poland in late - Lithuania shouldn't be counted as a protectorate from 1492 anymore. Generally from the beginning of the union it was equal, but from 1492 there was a common parliament for both countries and it should be called Poland-Lithuania
( from 1569 it was the Commonwealth - a republic with elected king).
You are going to use RTW engine, that's good, so I am in the future
( maybe after MTW2), at least when I upgrade my old or buy a new PC.
Regards Cegorach/Hetman :bow:
The offices of the Papal States (incomplete): :book:
The 'Sacred College of Cardinals' is the body of all Cardinals of the Roman Catholic Church, historically they were the clergy of the city of Rome: they were the priests serving the Pope as the Bishop of Rome.
Camerlengo (Cardinal Chamberlain) two offices use this title:
Camerlengo (of the Holy Roman Church)
is the administrator of the property and revenues of the Holy See; his responsibilities includes the fiscal administration of the Papal States.
Camerlengo (of the Sacred College of Cardinals)
is the secretary-treasurer of that body, and has responsibility for its financial matters.
Dicasteries are the central offices of the Roman Curia (Roman Catholic Church government), they are lead by either a cardinal prefect or a presiding archbishop:
Secretariat of State
lead by the Cardinal Secretary of State, which is the most important dicastery of the Roman Curia. He can be regarded as the one being in charge of the political and diplomatic activities of the Holy See (de facto Prime Minister nowadays).
Congregatio cardinalium Concilii Tridentini interpretum
The Council of Trent was an ecumenical council of the Catholic Church held in discontinuous sessions between 1545 and 1563 in response to the Protestant Reformation. The Congregatio had to execute and supervise the decisions made there.
Congregatio indulgentiarum et sacrarum reliquiarum
Selling of indulgences and all matters dealing with reliquies.
Sacra Rituum Congregatio
'Sacred Congregation for Rites', founded by Pope Sixtus V. 1588, takes care of the complex process which leads to the canonization of Saints, passing through the steps of a declaration of "heroic virtues" and beatification.
Congregatio de propaganda fide
Organises the spread of the faith (?)
Congregatio super negotlis episcoporum et regularium
Internal negotiations among the clergy
Congregatio indicis librorum prohibitorum
Revison, censoring and indexing of (prohibited) books
Congregatio sancti officii (inquisitionis)
Inquisition and other forms of examination of heresy, founded by Pope Paul III. 1542
Congregatio super statu regularium
revision of monastries and other clerical institutions
Congregatio sacrorum rituum
founded by Sixtus V. to organise and increase the 'cult'
Congregatio jurisdictionis et immunitatis ecclesiasticae
founded by Urban VI. 1626 to protect the immunity of the church
Congregatio super disciplina regulari
improvements regarding the monastries of all kinds
The Swiss Guard:
Guardia or Gwardi was the first guard of the pope, founded 1506, lead by the Captain Commander.
New guards are sworn in in the San Damaso Courtyard (Italian: Cortile di San Damaso) in the Vatican.
The oath in (old) German, the guard's official language (translation below):
"Ich schwöre, treu, redlich und ehrenhaft zu dienen dem regierenden Papst [Name des Papstes] und seinen rechtmäßigen Nachfolgern, und mich mit ganzer Kraft für sie einzusetzen, bereit, wenn es erheischt sein sollte, selbst mein Leben für sie hinzugeben. Ich übernehme dieselbe Verpflichtung gegenüber dem Heiligen Kollegium der Kardinäle während der Sedis-Vakanz des Apostolischen Stuhls. Ich verspreche überdies dem Herrn Kommandanten und meinen übrigen Vorgesetzten Achtung, Treue und Gehorsam. Ich schwöre, alles das zu beobachten, was die Ehre meines Standes von mir verlangt."
"I swear to faithfully, honestly and honorably serve the Sovereign Pontiff, his Holiness Pope [name of the reigning Pope], and his legitimate successors, as well as to dedicate myself to them with all my strength, ready to sacrifice, should it become necessary, even my own life in their defense. I likewise assume this promise toward the members of the Sacred College during the period of the Sede Vacante. Furthermore, I pledge to the Commandant and to my other superiors respect, fidelity, and obedience. I swear to abide by all the requirements attendant to the dignity of my rank."
Recruits response:
"Ich, [Name des Rekruten], schwöre, alles das, was mir soeben vorgelesen wurde, gewissenhaft und treu zu halten, so wahr mir Gott und seine Heiligen helfen."
"I, [name of the new guard], swear to diligently and faithfully abide by all this which has just been read to me; may The Almighty and His Saints be my witnesses."
another military title i've read about (no details):
Gonfalonier (see Order of Malta ranks)
highest rank in the papal army, commander of the armies
The Papacy had a quite impressive fleet in that times so the rank of an Admiral should be available also.
Alex
P.S. Additional/revised info pics:
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...onakonnica.jpg
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...goninfopik.jpg
I greet.
I am Robert, from polish forum. It is imperfect my english, so, I use translator. I will give several links for new images today.
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v370/PMTW/pika.jpg
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v.../panelprod.jpg
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v.../engoffice.jpg
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v370/PMTW/Hajduk.jpg
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...ziwi322322.jpg
Regards. ~:wave:
This mod looks soo good! Any idea of a beta release date? If you guys need any help with unit descriptions, etc.; let me know and I'll do my best.
And new screens:
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v370/PMTW/nefer.jpg
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v370/PMTW/Dywan.jpg
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v370/PMTW/cannon.jpg
I salute cordially. Particularly Alex. ~:cheers:
is a version is out already ???
Hi Robert and welcome to the 'other' ORG. ~:cheers:
@DeadRunner:
Sorry, we're still working on the mod. If you want to be among the beta testers i would suggest to send a mail to cegorach.
@Minister of Fear:
I think cegorach would appreciate any help on descriptions and he's working on them at the moment. His address could be found in this thread, somewhere on the last 2-3 pages. There's also a link to the unit rooster for this mod.
A small note:
The Captain Commander of the Swiss Guard should be called "Kommandanthauptmann" (if they use German for their ranks also).
Alex ~:wave:
What do you think about my "concept art" for mod?
http://www.ruslan-com.ru/zotov/PaM_screen.jpg
Cześć! (polish greeting)
Exciting!
It thought of too it cegorach. And I ~;)
After termination of work over Pike & Musket (MTW),....... next work ~:)
Hurrrrraaaa!
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v370/PMTW/armat.jpg
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...TW/cdarmat.jpg
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v370/PMTW/uskok.jpg
Regards :bow:
Of course, it walks about mod XVI - XVII, not "concept art".
He is very good. ~:)
Nice menu of the peace of breda,dead moroz,But a mod for RTW?????? Am I missing simething??
Let's move forward! :charge:Quote:
Originally Posted by ThijsP
@Minister of Fear:
I've answered your mail but got a message from my mail.deamon.
Maybe your mailbox is full ? Send me an e-mail when you are sure that everything is OK with your mailbox.
@Dead Moroz
I would really like to continue our work using RTW engine, but there are many questions about this.
Will RTW allow creating gunpowder weapons, how many religions will be possible to use, how many cultures ?
I have read much of RTW data ( about 2500 pages in word format), but I'm not sure yet.
Maybe we will have to wait for another year until MTW2 will be released.
For now I cannot even play in RTW, because my PC ( Duron 800, 128 RAM) is perfect for MTW or STW, but it is too weak for RTW.
I will have to upgrade in order to try this game. Buying a new PC is not my priority, but I'm aware of all new possibilities allowed by RTW engine, which are enormous indeed, so sooner or later we WILL HAVE THIS MOD done using RTW ENGINE.
@All of you
FOR NOW
We need to finish our work. I still need much info to end my part of work.
What I need.
1. Name list for Cossacks ( the rest is OK, not perfect, but enough);
2. Heroes lists - you can post just some of them, the maximum number is 30 for every faction - Poland is finished completely.
3. Descriptions - Poland, Russia, Tatars, Cossacks are finished or will be soon ( tomorrow ).
I will write many more, at this moment I have written about 50 + 20-30 were prepared by someone else.
Regards Cegorach/Hetman ~;)
A long time has passed since i stoped posting on this board. But still i have been following the mod's development. I think it is time for me to intervein :P.
About that Portuguese unit, "Arcabuzeiros a Camelo de Goa" i must say that it doesnt sound well in Portuguese. It has to do witht he sintax, it should be "Arcabuzeiros de Goa a Camelo", or just "Arcabuzeiros de Goa". It would sound more simple and would fit better in the game.
This unit should take quite some time to be produced, since they come from India. The ideia is that they were serving at Goa, and now are sent back to serve in Europe. The voyage from Portugal to India took at least 2 years and half :p.
This are just suggestions...
You still need the office titles, the heroes and the King's Portraits isnt it? I haven't got much time at this moment, but i'll try to provide you with this info soon...
I really liked the screens with the Portuguese flag, :p
Regards, tHe dEmEnToR
Cheers :duel:
:charge: Heroes, for Spain starting 1480:
King Fernando el Católico (1480-1516)
I: 6
D: 7
P: 7
C: 4
A: 6
Carlos I (Emperor Charles V) (1517-1558)
I: 8
D: 6
P: 3
C: 8
A: 3
Great Leader
Felipe II (1558-1598)
I: 7
D: 4
P: 8
C: 3
A: 5
Truly pious
Felipe III (1598-1621)
I: 6
D: 3
P: 4
C: 2
A: 6
Great Trader
Felipe IV (1621-1668)
I: 6
D: 2
P: 5
C: 1
A: 1
Adultery
Carlos II (1668-1700)
I: 4
P: 7
D: 0
C: 0
A: 4
Unhinged loon
Those are the kings.
Some dates may not be too accurate, but I couldnt check them and they are from the top of my head.
I´ll post some more in the next few days.
Do you said they should be approx 20 right?
SM
Cześć!
Panel vindication... (P&M TW). Cegorach-proposal, Robert-idea.
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...eniapanelu.jpg
You think of that it ?
Robert ~:)
[QUOTE=Count, tHe dEmEnToR]A long time has passed since i stoped posting on this board. But still i have been following the mod's development. I think it is time for me to intervein :P.
Good suggestions Count, tHe dEmEnToR I will implement them ( it's easy to do it).
For the office titles I have only three Portuguese - provided by you earlier :
Condestável de Portugal,
Chanceler Mor do Reino,
Imperador do Brasil,
and I need additional 7 ( oversea areas' governors included) - I want to have about 10 for each faction if possible.
For heroes I need up to 30 such men - admirals, conquistadors will be generals in this mod.
Regards Cegorach/Hetman ~:)
Example ( make in paint ):
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v370/PMTW/propos.jpg
And how?
Robert ~:)
Ok, good idea. But I'm already think about RTW engine. ~;)
To Gegorash1
I have read your post in BKB thread about french names, let me know what you need and can try to do some work. As it's not my favotie period of french history, i am not promising but i will try
My opinion is that if you started the mod in the MTW engine then you should finish. Some bifs are already done. For RTW you would require a 3d Modeler to put those bifs in the game. And still you're not enough familiar with that new engine. (I don't mean just you, i mean the whole RTW comunity)
After you finish this, then, yes you should start thinking about porting it to RTW.
You already know all this and you aren't really planing on making this mod a RTW mod so i better shut up and take some sleep to try and deliver the info i promised tomorrow, since tormorrow there's no school for me. ~:cheers:
Sorry for getting so off topic... =p
Cheers :duel: , tHe dEmEnToR
More infos: :book:
French offices:
Connétable de France
most important office in France. Responsible for the stables, the cavalry and (beside the king) highest commander of the royal army and the marshals.
The arms of the Connétables showed an additional sign - a cloud with an armored arm holding a sword.
Maréchal Général des Camps et Armées du Roi
Highest marshal of France
Maréchal de France
marshal, i think we need more than one, there were up to 8 serving at the same time.
Amiral de France
Admiral, office didn't existed from 1627-1669 because Richelieu wanted to control the navy himself, a mostly political office of a high importance, the fleets itself were commanded by:
- Amiral des mers du Levant pour la Provence (~of the seas of the Levante)
- Amiral de Bretagne
- Amiral des mers du Ponant pour la Guyenne (~of the seas of the West, i guess this title is from a later time period)
- Général des galères (~of the galleys)
Commissaire Général des Armées de France
inspector of the armies ?
Grand Maître de l'Artillerie de France
Grand master of the Artillery, quite important office
Capitaine des gardes
guards of the royal court
I guess these are titles of honor only:
Grand Bouteiller de France
i've read it somewhere without any further explanation provided
Grand Fauconnier de France
Grand falconer
Grand Maître de France
Grand Maître de la Garde-robe
Grand Ecuyer
Master of the Horse
Hungarian offices:
The Hungarian King was called Király. The Magyar word király is derived from the Slavic word kral or kralj, which in turn is derived from the German name of Charlemagne. A reigning queen was called királyno, a queen consort was called királyné in Hungarian.
Nádorispán (or Nádor)
meaning approximately "At-the-Court count", Palatine, the highest dignitary in the Kingdom of Hungary after the king (a kind of powerful prime minister and supreme judge). From around 1400 he was the vice-regent of the king, a function which however only became important after 1526. He was allowed to command the royal army and to preside over the Diet of the Kingdom of Hungary instead of the king. When the king was not of age or if there was an interregnum, he also could convene the Diet. From around 1450 he had the right to grant royal property - like the king himself but with certain restrictions. An act of 1485 explicitly stipulated that the palatine shall be the vice-regent in the king's absence.
In 1608, the functions of Vice-regent and palatine were separated.
Supreme Judge (well my hungarian language skills are zero, so no translation)
Tárnok (or tárnok(mester))
Treasurer or in full title 'main royal treasurer' was the supreme economic officer (a kind of combined finance minister and minister of economy) in the Kingdom of Hungary (till 1918). The name is derived from the Slavic word tovor (= casket, strong-box).
In 1385, the actual treasurer function, i. e. administrator of the royal treasury, became the responsibility of a separate person, who was the treasurer's deputy first, and later a separate royal officer ('Tárnok mester' and a simple 'Tárnok' office ?).
Vajda (governor of Transsylvania)
Bán (governor of Croatia)
Fejedelem (~Prince) was title of the ruler of Transylvania
Most infos are from various articles of the wikipedia again.
@Dead Moroz:
I like your 'concept' art and the idea of a rtw version, but i think we've done that much work on the mtw mod and i don't like the idea to have wasted my time.
It's still not proofed that we could mod firearms in rtw, but if it's possible...
Caracole would be great, imagine Reiters attacking in that style or spanish arquebusiers that move forward while constantly firing.
I'd suggest that you create a modding thread in the rtw section of the dungeon for a follow up version of this mod. But from my experiences with this mod i'd also suggest to organise the work a little bit better (stricter) than we did ~;) .
@Robert:
Good idea for the panel. A little bit too red ~:cool: for my taste but we can use it as a starting point.
@Count, tHe dEmEnToR:
Offices and heroes for Portugal are most important i guess, portraits have been made already, we'll see later whether some are missing.
~:wave: Alex
I'm not talking about doing the mod right now. I meant just an "ideal". ~:) I'm ready to wait.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlexPeters
How about to find and invite good programmer to modify RTW engine? :devil: Hope no copyrights will be infringed.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlexPeters
Agreed. Our band of anarchists need better organization.Quote:
Originally Posted by AlexPeters
I have finally found a book describing Zaporozhian Cossacks - almost everything about them, except one thing, NAMES are in Polish and we need Ukrainian ones.
Here are their office titles:
'Ataman'
Command 3, acumen 2, dread 2, piety 2, loyalty 3;
'Judge'
Dread 2, Acumen 1, Loyalty 2;
'Writer'
Command 1, Acumen 2, Loyalty 2;
'Asaul'
Command 2, Dread 1, Acumen 1, Loyalty 2;
'Ataman of ( several of them to choose from) Kuren'
Command 1, dread 1, acumen 1, loyalty 1;
'Translator'
Acumen 1, loyalty 1;
'Kantarzey'
Acumen 2, loyalty 1;
I will implement them, but in future we will need ukrainian names.
@Dead Moroz - we certainly need better organization, I have lots of problems with unrelability of certain memebers.
Most of script things ( descriptions, unit ideas) would be possible to easily add to the future RTW-engine mod
@Alex - very good info, as usual.
Regards Cegorach/Hetman ~;)
Some articles:
Cossack Pirates of the Black Sea
The daring exploits of the pirate Cossacks of the Black Sea protected Ukrainians from the Turks, helped nation-building efforts and set swashbuckling traditions that still live in the Ukrainian navy.
Battle of Dunbar: Cromwell's Masterstroke
The Scottish army had superior numbers and position on the morning of September 3, 1650, but all Oliver Cromwell needed was an opportunity--and he spotted one.
Triumph of Flexible Firepower
King Gustavus Adolphus of Sweden arrived too late to save Magdeburg, but at Breitenfeld he changed the course of the Thirty Years' War -- and the state of the military art.
The 1456 Siege of Belgrade
The fall of Constantinople in 1453 sent shock waves through Christendom. Then, in 1455, the young Ottoman Sultan Mehmet II mobilized his army to march on Belgrade -- and from there, possibly move on to the European heartland.
I've just found these quite interesting links among my (huge amount of unsorted) notes... ~D
Alex
Portuguese office titles (still incomplete):
Contestável de Portugal
Chanceler-Mor
Imperador do Brasil
Almirante-Mor - The High Admiral of the Portuguese Naval Forces.
Contador-Mor - The High Counter. An important accountant of the king. The same as a minister of the finances.
Vice-Rei da índia - The Vice-roy of India. The title was commonly given together with "Governador da India" (Governor of India) .
Governador da índia
The 3 first titles you already had. Now you said at least 7 more, so i still have to find 3 more titles...
I'm very occupied right now, but i'll try to find some time for this.
Cheers ~:cheers:
My friends, here i present you the final list of Portuguese office titles... :charge: I made a few corrections on the old titles such as Emperor of Brazil which was wrong, since that title only appeared in the 18th century.
Contestável de Portugal - The 2nd most important man after the king. The ruler of the Portuguese Army when the king was away.
Chanceler-Mor - He was the keeper pf the royal seal and also responsable for all the royal documents.
Vice-rei do Brasil - The vice-roy of Brazil.
Almirante-Mor - The High Admiral of the Portuguese Naval Forces.
Contador-Mor - The High Counter. An important accountant of the king. The same as a minister of the finances.
Vice-Rei da índia - The Vice-roy of India. The title was commonly given together with "Governador da India" (Governor of India).
Governador da índia - Governor of India.
Escrivão da Puridade - An important secretary of the king. The translation is something like Purity Notary ( :p). This title temporary disapeared with the death of D. Sebastião. It later reappered with D. Afonso VI. With the portuguese independence this title gained more imporatance. Initially he was responsible by all the king's secret bussiness. Afterwards it became a administrator of all the countrie's bussiness. Don't forget that this title didn't exist during the Filipine period (spanish rulers).
Alféres-Mor do Reino - Alféres was a military rank, the same as the 2nd lieautnet in the Portuguese Army. He was also responsible for carrying and protecting the standart of his lord. The Alféres-mor do Reino was the one who protected and carried the King's Standart. A very important military title.
Governador do Brasil - The governor of Brazil.
Hi all,
Sorry for the delay, but my PC is a mess.Anyway here are some more heroes for Spain.
Duque de Lerma (1553-1625)
His real name was Francisco Gómez de Sandoval.
L: 6
P: 4
D: 4
C: 1
A: 5
Approachable Manner
Duque de Alba (1507-1582)
Real Name: Fernando Álvarez de Toledo
L:5
P:3
D:7
C:7
A:2
Scant Mercy
Duque de Olivares (1587-1645)
Real name: Gaspar de Guzmán
L:5
P:2
D:5
C:1
A:6
Great Trader
Duque de Parma (1545-1592)
Real name: Alejandro Farnesio
L:7
P:4
D:4
C:8
A:3
Educated
Ambrosio Spínola (1571-1630)
L:6
P:4
D:3
C:5
A:2
Affable
Hi SwordsMaster,
well, i don't want to be a nitpicker, but.. ~D
Alessandro Farnese not Alejandro Farnesio is the real name of the Duke of Parma, he was an Italian:
Farnese, Alessandro , 1545-92, duke of Parma and Piacenza (1586-92), general and diplomat in the
service of Philip II of Spain. He was the son of Duke Ottavio Farnese and Margaret of Parma and thus
a nephew of Philip II and of John of Austria, under whom he distinguished himself at the battle of
Lepanto (1571). In 1577, Farnese joined John in the Low Countries to fight the rebels against Spain.
Appointed (1578) governor of the Netherlands, he took Tournai, Maastricht, Breda, Bruges, Ghent, and
Antwerp from the rebels and secured continued possession of the southern part of the Netherlands for
Spain (see Netherlands, Austrian and Spanish). In 1590 he was sent to France at the head of a Spanish
army to assist the Catholic League against Henry IV of France. He relieved the siege of Paris (1590)
and the siege of Rouen (1592), but was wounded soon afterward and retired to Arras, where he died.
Farnese showed exceptional skill in military art and diplomacy.
See R. Solari, The House of Farnese (1968).
The Columbia Electronic Encyclopedia, 6th ed. Copyright © 2004, Columbia University Press.
Another proposal, without stats (you can think about them ~;) ), Gonzalo Fernández de Córdoba (called El Gran Capitan):
Fernández de Córdoba, Gonzalo , 1453-1515, Spanish general, called the Great Captain. He fought in the
civil wars preceding and following the accession of Isabella I and in the conquest of Granada. He
commanded (1495-98) the army aiding Naples against Charles VIII of France. After expeditions against
the rebellious Moriscos of Granada and the Turks, he returned to Italy as an ally of Louis XII of
France, who had joined with Ferdinand II of Aragón to partition Naples (see Italian Wars). When Naples
had been conquered, he expelled (1502-4) the French and served as governor until 1507. He greatly
improved the Spanish infantry by specializing the use of weapons.
See biography by M. Purcell (1962).
The Columbia Electronic Encyclopedia, 6th ed. Copyright © 2004, Columbia University Press.
He was the one who invented the tercio and commanded the Spanish Forces in Italy during the Italian Wars (beginning of the 16th century).
Alex
P.S. Isn't Lerma the guy who was widely known for it's corrupt and and cruel regime ? He was the chancellor of Phillip III (?) i think and led Spain instead of his weak king and in later times they have blaimed him for causing the descedancy of the Spanish Empire.
Touche about Farnese, but I've been researching a spanish source so got his name in the Spanish variation.I will do the same thing with Columbus so "Ye be warned". ~D
Cegorach said we were going to use the faction's language to name the units, so I thought that would extend to generals as well...
About don Gonzalo, yes, I was going to include him in the next list along with the guys who organized the Armada, and then make another last list with some conquistadores and admirals related to the New World. So theres still some stuff to come.... Just one more thing. Where can I find a complete list of Vices&Virtues with their effects. Coz I cant remember a fair amount of them and thats one of the reasons I didnt get the lists earlier.
Lerma was the chancellor of Felipe III (in spanish we call the charge "valido"), but his reputation is due more to later sources and influences such as the Duke of Olivares who saw Lerma as a rival in his political games and managed to accuse him of a fair amount of crimes. In reality Lerma was a bit manipulative and a bit too ambitious, but during "his" period, spanish economy was normalized, and the peace treaties with most of the spanish enemies (England and Netherlands) allowed for some reforms, the money previously spent on wars went to the navy, America, and , of Course Lerma's personal purse. But thats something common. :book:
BTW, Im going to format my HD (yet again), so I wont be posting any info for a couple of days.
Regards.
SM
Good info both of you !
The heroes is my main concern now and only the list for Poland is finished for now.
Remember there is the limit of 30 heroes for each faction.
I have added some additional things, I have learnt recently e.g. it is possible to give for units a negative bonus fighting cavalry so some units ( e.g. musketeers in the countries which use pikemen) will be really useless fighting mounted units.
@Count, tHe dEmEnToR
One of them will have to be removed - the titles ( 10) include some kind of archbishop or other religious title.
@Swordmaster
I will decrease command values of some of these commanders, 6 will be maximum for heroes, 8 for famous kings and this is only for LEGENDARY commanders.
Please continiue.
One more thing - I need to know where these heroes should appear i.e. a specific province or anywhere.
And YES we will use names in national languages, also for the heroes.
Regards Cegorach/Hetman ~;)
Oh shit, i knew i had forgotten something. I will remove governor of Brasil. There's no point in having both a governor and a viceroy, becuase, unlike India, there was never those two, only one at a time.
Now, let's see, a religious title...
Cardeal Patriarca de Lisboa - The supreme leader of the catholic church in Portugal.
ok, sorry for the long delay, here is a good list. As it took me so long I include all the spanish heros here.
About the regions they should appear in, Farnesio and Spinola in Naples, the rest in Castilla, as the royal court was in Castilla so most of the famous generals followed the king.
Gonzalo Fernández de Córdoba (gran Capitán)
1453-1515, appears in Castilla
L: 5
P: 6
D: 3
C: 7 (whatever maximum value you allow)
A: 3
Great Leader
Alfonso Pérez de Guzmán y Sotomayor
Duque de Medina Sidonia
1550-1619, Granada
This one is tricky, coz its the guy in charge of the Armada invencible, so I guess he should be an Admiral, in the other hand he also was the governor of Andalucia....
As Admiral his command is 0.
AS governor:
L:6
P:5
D: 4
C: 1
A: 6
Great Farmer
Now go the famous admirals
Cristóbal Colón (Columbus)
Genoa, 1451-1506
L:3
P:4
D:2
C:4
A:3
Juan Sebastián Elcano
Castilla, 1474-1526
L:5
P:3
D:3
C: 3
A:2
Marqués de Santa Cruz (couldnt find a proper biography)
Castilla, 15??-1588
L:6
P:5
D:5
C:4
A:4
Now the Conquistadores:
Hernán Cortés, 1485-1547, Leon
L:5
P:2
D:5
C:4
A:4
Mighty Warrior
Francisco Pizarro, 1478-1541, Castilla
L:4
P:3
D:6
C:5
A:1
Scant Mercy
Vasco Núñez Balboa, 1475-1517, Granada? (Its technically Castilla, but I think there will be too many famous people there, so I can stretch this one, as its almost on the border)
L:3
P:4
D:7
C:4
A:2
Weak pples
Rodrigo de Bástidas, 1501-154?(unknown date), Castilla
L:5
P:4
D:3
C:3
A:4
Whatever gives -1 to health.
How many slots do I have left?
Do you need more people?
I already have mentioned the most relevent people (IMHO), but I can find more if you need them.
{EDITED: full details for admirals. I'll post some more people}
Regards
SM
I decided to release 'custom and Multiplayer battles only' pre-release.
I hope you will like it.
The real Beta release will be available after we finish our new map and solve some other problems we encountered recently.
Soon I will inform you where the pre-release will be available to download.
Regards Cegorach/Hetman ~:cheers:
P.S. Swordmaster you could propose up to 30 heroes/anti-heroes and one more thing admirals will be used as generals, so I will need more info about them. ~;)
Edited for admirals
Will post some more heroes later.
REgards
SM
i was just wondering if you guys are going to start working more on the bifs besides the husaria which are done. I can't wait to go into battle with thousands of forlocked zaporozhians.
Unfortunatelly we have noone here do the animations, now. :book:
OK here you can download the pre-release. ~:cheers:
Enjoy ! :balloon2: :balloon2: :balloon2:
http://www.totalwar.org.pl/pliki/pmtw05.zip