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Unvote: Csar
Vote: Masy
I just don't think Csar is dumb enough to precipitate a retal vote in a close voting contest. His defense otherwise is shrill and suspect, but I can't see a mafioso doing this.
Disco voting for himself the same way -- too cavalier (though he is enough of one not to discount it entirely).
I'm going to vote for Masy because his only active votes were to kill DW. His participation has been spotty since, but he's aroudn often enough not to get wogged.
After a long power-outage, I'm back. And, er, I wish I had more confidence in what I have to say next. But I'll be honest with you guys - my new mafia-finding technique is still a bit in the experimental stages. Because it's a very different concept that I'm using for the first time, I can't be too certain of the results it produces.
Nevertheless, I don't have an infinite amount of time to play around with the numbers, so I'll go out on a limb here. I think Reenk Roink is the Wanax mafioso (NOT A VOTE).
As for how the method works, it's basically...
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...Nah.
Kinda hard to explain, actually, and I need to go to bed. It's late and I have a headache. Look through the thread and voting records yourselves. I'm not saying you should necessarily vote for RR - just look into him at least.
G'night. :zzz:
Tie vote.
Instead of doing a revote I'm going to keep the voting open for the night (night in USA). When I wake up I want to see this tie broken.
I don't like liars Seamus. I don't believe a word he says. I can believe for a couple of rounds that he's trying to get back into the swing of things but 5 rounds no I don't believe that. I don't even think DC was that slow at getting in the game. Craterus has played before so I figure it wouldn't take him too long.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
HUSAR WAS NOT GUILTY
and I KNOW FEW OTHERS WHICH I AM NOT ALLOWED TO SAY ACCORDING TO THE RULES
yes, and GH does make accidental grammar mistakes. Think about how many he writes each day!
Example (his PM yesterday):
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theRTWGuru, you shouldn't have sad that
Could be a good defense tactic. It made you change your vote didn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
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Originally Posted by Xiahou
Why are you so intent on killing me?:inquisitive:
3 PMs and if it was what you say then it wouldn't have been that hard. Plus the two mafia one's would have probably been exactly the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by theRTWGuru
Your PM:
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Originally Posted by RTWGuru
Hmmmm that's pretty fishy don't you think. And post would most likely be PM.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rules from first post
This is from Mafia:II when Tiberius was detective.
I'm sure GH would have included some of this in your PM. I know I did in my mafia game.Quote:
Originally Posted by PM from GH
I don't believe you RTWGuru there are way too many mistakes in the PM you say is from GH. I don't know why you pulled this stunt. Would you be willing to explain?
Cuz you're mafia silly. :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Csar
Seriously, you've been fairly suspicious thus far and, unlike Seamus, I'm not willing to let you off the hook just because you do something that seems "dumb" on the surface. Maybe, just maybe you're innocent- but I'm very hesitant to relent on someone just because they do something un-mafia like. That'd be exactly what I'd try to do if it were me. :shrug:
If I let you off the hook, you may be mafia- we may not know til it's too late(Either our detective is reluctant to reveal himself, or is already dead). If you're just a townie, then lynching you isn't that devastating a loss anyhow....
Can I yet again point out GF2? And the mafia games before that?:beam:Quote:
Originally Posted by Xiahou
How else are you going to get people to talk other than voting them or accusing them. I'm just trying to get people to talk. The more discussion we have the more likely we are to get a mafioso to slip up or make a mistake. I think it's called Sasaki's Law:laugh4: Before GF2 I acted in almost the same way. Hard to believe I know :shocked:Quote:
Originally Posted by Husar
I agree with Kommodus, Reenk Roink is a much better choice than Csar. This is the first game he's deviated from his abstaining, it's probably because he's been lynched for it in the past and he wants to stay alive. He is also capable of being the Wanax writer, and now that I think of it the write up for my kill is very much like him.
Csar just wants his post count up. He'd stay low like last game (which was very succesful) if he was mafia.
What exactly is the swing of things? :juggle2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Csar
Because all you "experts" clearly haven't found the Mafia yet, so maybe you could educate this "noob" on how to help? For me, I'm just reading words. I understand that sometimes a person will give something away through wrong choice of words, but I'll be honest - I haven't been assessing every word of every post. I've just been reading things and hoping other people would come up with some convincing arguments as to which way I should be voting. After all, you guys are the experts, right?
Come on, people. Someone else vote.
That's just horrible. In GF1 Sasaki and GH led bandwagons against people and they won as the mafia. Following someone else's arguements (that you know is not innocent) is not a good thing to do. If anything follow Kommodus atleast he's a proven innocent and has a weird way of catching mafioso's. In Mafia IV: he got Masy with some kind of mathematical thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Craterus
I'm not going to blindly jump on bandwagons. I'm just waiting for some people to throw some ideas around and actually provide a bit of evidence. Once I've had a closer look at these things and decided if this person is worth the vote, I'll make a decision.
That's why you should all vote Reenk Roink.
Why are you so intent on killing RR?:inquisitive: I trust Kommodus's judgement so I'll vote RR.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Unvote:Craterus
Vote:Reenk Roink
How dare you insult me with such a slander of my good name. :(Quote:
Csar just wants his post count up. He'd stay low like last game (which was very succesful) if he was mafia
Ugh... I have a feeling I'll regret this (either Csar is the real mafioso and I single-handedly got him off gallows, or my assasination is coming up right after this tie is decided)
Unvote: Csar
Vote: Reenk Roink
He was part of the EB team, may have some knowledge on the wanax prospect. Supposed suspicious activity in different behaviour from other games? I wouldn't know :confused:
Voting over (finally).
Stand by for the execution.
RR usually abstains the entire game. But this game he stopped abstaining around the time BG got lynched. It's weird for him to do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Craterus
Chief of Police Beirut was is no mood to have another revote after there was a tie. So he kept voting open a lot longer in hopes that some of the less-active villagers would take the hint and vote.
No such luck. Those people just kept doing... whatever it was that they did. Still determined, however, Beirut kept the voting open through the oddly clear night. It was the most beautiful night that any of the villagers in the Frontroom had ever seen. The temperature was perfect, there was not a cloud in the sky, and a shooting star even passed over their heads.
Maybe that's why nobody else bothered to vote, because they wanted to stay out in the night for a little while longer. But finally, the tie had been broken. Craterus had changed his vote from Csar to Reenk Roink, thus unwittingly sealing discovery1's fate.
Disco went nuts when he heard the final tally. It took six villagers to restrain him from killing Craterus. He was dragged to a freshly-dug gravesite, kicking and screaming and yelling at Craterus. The majority of the material is unprintable.
"You should be an honorary Michigan Wolverine, you *bleep*! You and the rest of you *bleep* *bleep* *bleeeeeeeeeeeeep*!"
Beirut looked at Disco with utter contempt. "Discovery1," he said, "You are hereby sentenced to death for un-Frontroomish language and murder, in that order. Ordinarily I would ask you if you had any last words, but I think I already know what they are. So..."
Beirut kicked Disco in his privates. Disco, gasping, tumbled into his grave, and Beirut started shoveling the dirt back on. Eventually he was completely buried and the townspeople could still hear him gasping for breath.
"Okay people," Beirut said. "That's all."
"ABSOLUTELY NOT," said a voice that seemed to come from everywhere at once and nowhere at all at the same time.
"H-huh?" Beirut was shocked. "W-who is this? Is this the mayor? I'm s-sorry Sir, it's just-"
"SILENCE!" the voice boomed. "THIS IS GOD. SOME OF YOU MAY KNOW ME AS GENERAL HANKERCHIEF.
"IT APPEARS TO ME AS IF SOME OF YOU PATHETIC VILLAGERS CARE LITTLE FOR WHAT HAPPENS TO THIS GLORIOUS KINGDOM OF PEACE AND LOVE, THE FRONTROOM. SO I SAY THIS TO THEM: IF YOU DON'T CARE FOR YOUR VILLAGE, THEN SURELY YOU DON'T CARE FOR YOUR WELL-BEING. HOPEFULLY AFTER THIS THERE WILL BE A LITTLE BIT MORE PARTICIPATION, AND THEN MAYBE YOU CAN GET RID OF THE MAFIA."
The shooting star that they had seen earlier looped around, and started to come closer to the earth. The villagers ran away, but three people stood transfixed, gaping at the meteor that was coming closer and closer.
It impacted the town square in a fiery crash, leaving a crater three times as big as the one in Matrix: Revolutions in the final battle between Neo and Smith. After they were sure that no other meteors were coming, the villagers made their way to the crater, and saw three bodies inside. They were clearly the corpses of Drisos, God's Grace, and Masy.
"MAYBE NOW YOU CAN ALL WORK TOGETHER AND VANQUISH THE MAFIA. I WILL LEAVE YOU NOW... UNLESS MORE PEOPLE DECIDE TO BE LAZY."
"Wait a minute," yelled one villager. "What do all those Bible passages mean?"
There was just some eerie laughter, and that was all.
Here is the voting total for Round 5:
discovery1: 3 (Destroyer of Hope, Crazed Rabbit, discovery1) :skull:
Csar: 2 (Xiahou, Ignoramus)
Reenk Roink: 2 (Csar, Craterus)
Sigurd Fafnesbane: 1 (Reenk Roink)
Masy: 1 (Seamus Fermanagh)
Absained: 1 (Don Corleone)
Didn't vote: 7 (Kagemusha, Silver Rusher, Dutch_guy, Sigurd Fafnesbane, Drisos, God's Grace, Masy)
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Still alive: (13)
Seamus Fermanagh
Kagemusha
Craterus
Xiahou
Silver Rusher
Don Corleone
Crazed Rabbit
Ignoramus
Csar
Reenk Roink
Destroyer of Hope
Dutch_guy
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Wrath of God/Committed seppuku:
Divine Wind
Drisos
God's Grace
Masy
Killed:
UltraWar
Sir Moody
Pannonian
Evil_Maniac From Mars
Sasaki Kojiro
theRTWGuru
Kommodus
Proletariat
AggonyDuck
doc_bean
Executed:
Hepcat
Banquo's Ghost
Zalmoxis
Husar
discovery1
Note from GH: Masy asked to commit suicide because he had a lot of studying to do coming up and couldn't really make it here. The other two were Wrath of Godded. I will kill more if I have to.
I had read Kommodus' accusation last night, but only wanted to respond now. You will see why...
I, Reenkasnoop, am the detective. :2thumbsup:
I choose to reveal now, because I am as good as dead. I will be lynched by you because Kommodus is pretty good about his picks (though he was uncertain about me). If not, then the Mafia will kill me later on. But I am certain they won't kill me this round, because I am a convenient scapegoat, and every lynch counts now.
This realism system of GH is very helpful, because I can make investigations without worry of being killed immediately.
Sorry to say, but I have not pinpointed any Mafia.
I do have my journal/write-up going:
Sigurd was my investigation this round and he was innocent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenkasnoop
I am extremely confused myself... :huh:
Now, I don't know why Kommodus named me the Wanax. I can guess he was PM watching, though I have been careful to send my PM's to GH. I never use InvisibleMode, so it is possible he got me there. Also, I absentmindedly sent some PM's to Keba about the end fight of NWN2 from a thread in the Arena.
As for my voting record, I have abstained twice, not voted once, and voted twice. I have been less likely to abstain, because I am sick of getting voted because of it. I also stopped it in the other Mafia game, and I will stop it from now on.
Sasaki's accusations I pay no heed to. He is a very unethical player, simply leveling accusations at anyone who he wishes. Not like me who was so particular about voting ethically. :bow:
Anyway, you guys can certainly compare the writing styles of the Mafia with my posts (the ones in the Backroom are long and detailed). I can already see two things that differ from my posts and the Mafia's:
1) Look at the spellings. They are European, at least for the Wanax.
2) Both Mafia's use quotations like standard English. They embed punctuation within the quotes. I think that this is a stupid rule, and I keep punctuation outside of the quotes.
Anyway, You have 4 players who are innocent, making your chances for lynching a Mafia better. I know I am going to die, and because of my clean conscience, I accept my fate. :bow:
You have three choices villagers:
1) Lynch me now. This is a good option because it will stop the use of the Mafia from manipulating me to serve there ends.
2) Put you total trust in me. I know this is hard to do, but it would also help you. It is quite unrealistic, and if I were a villager, I would not elect this option myself. I wish I could post my screenshot but alas, I cannot. :sad:
3) Let me live this round. Don't do this. The Mafia will use it to manipulate us. They could well let me live, causing more suspicion.
Again, good luck villagers. :bow:
Ahahaha. I'm sorry but that whole journal thing smacks of a pre-planned piece to convince the town once you got accused. I did the same thing.
I also like how you point out the differences in the kills writing style from your own to prove you aren't mafia...YOU wrote the kills remember? Or did you as detective just happen to compare the writing style of the kills to your own as you read it?
Also, if you were detective, you wouldn't reveal this round. Since Kommodus had fingered you, you were safe from the mafia tonight. You would have waited to see if it would blow over and made sure you got another investigation in tonight. Detective reveal right after "pm's please" is the worst timing ever. But since you are mafia you don't worry about being killed do you?
Also where are your PM's from GH Reenk?
There's nothing there that would convince me that your the detective.
This would be the worst possible time to reveal.
Right after the lynchings mean the mafia could kill you in the very next 'killings'. You're basically pinning a huge target on yourself, yet you're worried about being lynched?
Crazed Rabbit
Also,
Real detective, if you're still alive, don't reveal.
And you say I'm trying to increase my post count.:inquisitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Original PM:Quote:
Originally Posted by Csar
Kagemusha investigation:Quote:
Congratulations Reenk Roink, you're the detective!
It is your goal to help to town survive. Every "night" (after I post the execution) it is your job to PM me with the name of the person you wish to investigate. I will send you a reply of whether the person is innocent or guilty.
The new "realism system" mentioned has to do with the time you send me PMs. Basically, if you PM me with your investigation before the Mafia send your kills in, the Detective will get his result first, and vice versa. Most likely this will only apply if you wish to reveal yourself and want to get an investigation result in before the kills, but stranger things have happened.
I will soon post the list of everyone alive/playing in the thread. Once that happens, pick who you would like to investigate.
Good luck, watch out for the Mafia, and happy hunting! PM me if you have any questions.
General Hankerchief
Pannonian investigation:Quote:
Heh.
That may be true, but not this time. Kagemusha is innocent.
Divine Wind investigation:Quote:
Innocent, sorry.
Destroyer of Hope investigation:Quote:
Divine Wind is completely innocent.
Csar investigation:Quote:
Destroyer of Hope is just your normal, non-mafia, innocent villager.
Sorry.
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Sorry, but your gut feeling is wrong. Csar is innocent.
Seems legit RR. But I'm not sure.
On the objection that "it is the worst time to reveal":
Sorry, but I am utilizing GH's new realism system. I sent my PM in early, after GH said that there would be no tie break, and he would check the thread in the morning. Once I got word that Sigurd was innocent, I decided to reveal.
Why not reveal before the lynch votes come in?
Kommodus' accusation essentially sealed my fate, and I don't want the Mafia to use me as a manipulation tool.
That's why I tell the villagers to lynch me now, or believe me fully. Don't get wishy-washy.
This argument is inept.
Normally I wouldn't even bother to address Sasaki's remarks, but this case is obviously different.
The writing styles are different from mine, and I got the idea to examine them more closely from you. Look at one of the reasons you gave to lynch me:
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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Csar would know this better than anyone... :wink:
Now, to the rest of the reasonable villagers. I know Kommodus is pretty accurate in his system, and therefore, I understand if you want to lynch me. I would do the same thing in your position.
So, if you are not convinced by me, make sure you lynch me this round.
Maybe I'm naïve, but I believe him.
Reenk edited out the screenshots showing his correspondance with GH from Mafia IV today:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=511
GUILTY
Wow, there's the things I'm supposed to be watching out for. Does that mean we can assume that one of those people he declared innocent is his accomplice?
No we can't assume anything from the list he gave, and it would be a terrible mistake to do so. He most likely knew he was going to be lynched and decided to try and flush out the real detective.
I believe Reenk. He can be well Reenk like sometimes,but i think he is the real detective. I have been thinking hard and long and if reenks list is accurate,i think that i have a suspect for the second Mafioso. Don Corleone.I think he is the bible killer. What i have been reading from Don´s posts. He has been done lots of backround work,becouse he has studied lot of Mafia behaviour. But why? I think that Don has the determination in him that once he gets a job he will work tiresly and do what ever necessary to get the job done. So he has read through old mafia games to learn from their well played manouvers and failures in order to play well his Mafia part. Also i remember from another situations that Don knows his bible. What you think about my accusation Mr Corleone?
Oh jeez. I don't know what to think at this point. My new method is designed to detect behavioral changes and statistical similarities with past mafia behavior by collecting data and tabulating statistics on prior mafia games as well as the current one. The tool also enables me to quickly review all posts made by any given player.
Reenk Roink registered both a behavior change and a similarity to prior mafia behavior. However, this kind of thing could be consistent with detective behavior as well. Even if Mafia IV, I almost fingered him as mafia, before I realised his behavior was more consistent with that of a detective.
Perhaps Reenk should explain why he edited the post from Mafia IV. That is suspicious. However, if Reenk is telling the truth, it helpfully narrows down the list of suspects. Later on I'll try looking at it from both angles to see which is more logically consistent.
Care to explain that, Reenk?Quote:
Reenk edited out the screenshots showing his correspondance with GH from Mafia IV today:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showpo...&postcount=511
GUILTY
And no, this is a terrible time to reveal; you don't know that the town is going to go after you for the lynching, and you seem much more worried about that than the mafia killing you.
Crazed Rabbit
The fact is just about any mafioso is going to claim detective when pressed. They might get believed, they might draw out the real detective, they might get a couple people lynched, they might confuse people with who they name innocent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kommodus
You have Reenk's behavior from Mafia IV to go on, he was much more of an abstainer that game.
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Originally Posted by Reenk Roink in GHMM
It is similar is it not?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wanax Killer
Yeah. That seems kinda fishy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Yes, I thought you'd look at that. You see, when I send in my investigations to GH, I usually notice his response depends on my PM. When I send him just a name of a villager, or a simple message, he gives me an "Innocent, sorry" response. When I give him reasoning behind my pick, he will usually send me a longer message. For example, in my PM about Csar, I wrote that I had a gut feeling he was guilty. His response was conditioned likewise. I wrote that Kagemusha had been a brilliant deceiver before, and GH's response was conditioned to that statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
He gave me two of those "Innocent, sorry" responses in Mafia IV, and one in this game.
I knew Sasaki would hysterically jump on it like usual, saying I wasn't a detective and just using my old PM's. However, he jumped on this, so technically, I was screwed either way. :shrug:
The fact is that Sasaki is like a rabid dog at times. He simply does not let up. The past 30 posts have been him zealously trying to make me get killed. He dismisses any evidence or argument I give immediately, because he has already made his mind up about me. In fact, any suspicious slip I may have is due to Sasaki. I now regret removing those screenshots because it is another excuse for him to accuse me. Doesn't it seem weird to you that he is even more certain than Kommodus about my guilt?
I tell you this... I know I am going to die soon, so I will try and help in any way possible before I do. I already said that I accept my fate. I have given you 4 innocents not to lynch: Kage, DoH, Csar, and Sig. You can beat the mafia knowing this. A detective confirming innocents is almost as valuable as a detective flushing out Mafia.
But Sasaki will not stop with me. Another one of you will soon become his target, and he will hysterically post against you. Look at his most recent evidence against me, "similar is is not?". For God's sake, that can be done to anyone.
Frankly, Sasaki is the most dangerous threat to the villagers. He ruthlessly makes cases against innocents, starts bandwagons, and makes the weaker argument, stronger.
The Mafia actually did a great job by killing him. He is now immune to any accusations we throw against him, and immune to our suspicion, but he continues to sow discord.
I have already said, lynch me if you must. It is the best way to go. Best case scenario, you kill a Mafia and have more certainty than usual, worst case scenario, you kill a detective that has already helped you with his information.
You will have 9 with the kills, and then 8 without me. But 2 lynches is enough, knowing what you know. Good luck! :bow:
Having a little number trouble are we? 11 after the kills and I certainly haven't been attacking you for 30 posts.
Your argument is weak. You thought I would jump all over you because some of GH's responses were the same so you removed the screens? You were assuming then that I would look at them. How did you not realize removing them would make you more suspicious? Also, it isn't like others haven't posted the results of GH's pm's you know.
I don't suppose you'd mind posting those screenshots now would you?
Oops, did Sasaki catch me on hyperbole? He must be rubbing off on me... :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Everyone I give seems to be... :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Yes, look at your latest response comparing my hobo to the Wanax. Frankly, you'd jump at anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
By the way, I was right about you going into old threads wasn't I? I tell you what, I didn't read your mind. I know how you are...
You're a mod, can you undo my edits?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
No, I don’t have the PM’s from a long finished game 1.5 months back anymore.
I would like nothing more than to post my current screenshots of PM’s though, to silence you once and for all...
Can't undo edits. It's very conveniant that you don't have the pm's anymore. Perhaps you could grace us with a screenshot of your overflowing pm inbox then?
Imageshack also stores the images for you if you have an account.
Why would he keep PM's from a game that is over Sasaki? Now your just going on and on about nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
I think GH said you can't post screen shots.
Yes, it is convenient for me that I delete PM's from 45 days ago about a game that is over, and no, I do not have a imageshack account either. Is that too convenient for you too?
Here's my PM box by the way:
https://img81.imageshack.us/img81/7394/1gz6.jpg
Honestly Sasaki, should I just send in a commit suicide PM?
I will do so if you say yes.
I still haven't completely sorted our the Kagemusha reveal in the other thread...and now this!:dizzy2:
Reenk:
Kommo is supposed to have some kind of super track record on this. I haven't seen his methodology but....
Sasaki:
You do attack almost every reveal -- except for Kag's in the other thread, I think you've hammered them all.
Hmmmmm...
I know. It is completely understandable for you to vote for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
I never bothered to delete pm's until it got full. I don't think 24 is full, is it?
I just realized you can't post a screenshot of your pm list because GH has a rule against mafia revealing themselves.
I don't know why you object to a pursuit of the truth. Accepting something on face value is foolish, and you haven't been acting like a detective.
And practically won the game for the village in GF2.Quote:
The fact is that Sasaki is like a rabid dog at times. He simply does not let up. The past 30 posts have been him zealously trying to make me get killed.
Crazed Rabbit
Remember I've falsely claimed detective twice ~D if you go purely statistically Reenks claim only has a 50% chance of being genuine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
Kag would have no reason at all to claim if he was mafia, that's the difference.
It's interesting who is going after me the most. Both of them actually voted for me before the game started... :rolleyes:
Sasaki: PM capacity for normal members is 40.
And btw, I am putting a ban on all screenshots. At least until the game ends. That one that Reenk posted can stay, however.
Guys... I'm going to make a recommendation here.
Do not lynch Reenk Roink yet.
He may be the detective. His story actually looks legit to me, Sasaki's arguments notwithstanding. However, this doesn't make him innocent. I will not let him fall off the radar screen; if I still think he's guilty later on I will remind you. For now, I say let him live and pursue other avenues.
My method has fingered other possible suspects. When I know more, I'll let you know.
Interesting that you've stopped responding to arguments, I wondered when the web of lies would unravel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
40 eh? How about that.
I'd be more inclined to believe you if you weren't already on my shortlist for reasons mentioned before you're reveal. Since we can't trust you lynching is the best choice--it's also a good meta-game practice.
I'm sorry I can't keep up with you copious posting. It bores me by now Sasaki... :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Anyway as to this "Since we can't trust you lynching is the best choice--it's also a good meta-game practice" I agree... haven't you seen my posts?
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I know. It is completely understandable for you to vote for me.
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I have already said, lynch me if you must. It is the best way to go. Best case scenario, you kill a Mafia and have more certainty than usual, worst case scenario, you kill a detective that has already helped you with his information.
Fact is, with my info, villagers can go for the win...Quote:
That's why I tell the villagers to lynch me now, or believe me fully. Don't get wishy-washy.
Oh, but you expected the lynch going in. You realized the jig was up and just wanted to mess with the town and maybe cause a detective to reveal himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
It was obvious from your initial post that you didn't expect to be believed. If you were the detective then lynching you would be a terrible choice.
I'd be inclined to agree, were his edit of a prior thread not so damning. It'd be alot less suspicious without that. OTOH, it might have been even more damning had Sasaki found that Reenk's supposedly new investigation results were verbatim copy and pastes from an older game. Hmmm...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kommodus
It's completely reasonable to assume that GH might use the same two-word investigation response multiple times. The phrase "innocent, sorry" occuring verbatim more than once means nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xiahou
Here's what does mean something, IMO:
1. Reenk's alteration of an old post from a former game looks like an attempt to conceal something. Reenk, if you're innocent, you should remember this in the future: the truth will set you free. Let the whole truth be known and count on reason to interpret it correctly. It may not always work, but it's the best shot anyone has.
2. Since Reenk was the detective in an earlier game, he would know how to forge a reveal if he wanted to. Revealing one's self as the detective when in danger is, of course, always somewhat suspicious. It's been done both falsely (Sasaki in Mafia II and Cosa Nuova and GH in Godfather II) and honestly (Tiberius in Mafia II).
Guys, I know it doesn't really look good for Reenk. My method identified him as having a special role but couldn't distiguish what role that is.
All I'm asking for is one more round.
By my count the villagers probably have about four more rounds to get the mafia. Let Reenk get in one more "investigation" - it'll give us more information no matter what the truth ends up being.
One more round, guys. That's it. You won't lose the game by giving 'im one more chance.
I'm not sure that's wise. If he investigates and gets a guilty result what then? So maybe he was right and we lynch that person. Then next round, waddayaknow, he get's another guilty result.
With 11 alive we lynch
With 8 alive we lynch
With 5 alive we lynch
game over. Only 3 left. Masy suiciding really hurt us.
Now, we aren't going to get any more or less sure about Reenk as time goes on. We WILL get a better idea of who the mafia/other mafioso is as the rounds progress by process of elimination. Mathematically it's advantageous to lynch him now. Look at it this way: say we discuss a lot and find person X suspicious and lynch him and then Reenk the next day. If we'd lynched Reenk first theres a good chance person X would have been killed that night.
The only reason to leave Reenk alive is if we KNOW we can trust his results and we just don't know that.
I'd suggest lynching Reenk next round and and not talking to much, not casting too much suspicion. If we make it clear we suspect certain people the mafia will leave them alive (this is why I've been kinda quite, the mafia have killed a couple people I was watching).
Don im waiting here. Or are you just trying to avoid attention and kill me next night?
Look, it seems easy to criticize what I did now, but frankly, if I had to do it again I would. I knew Sasaki would go back and try to dig up dirt on me to discredit me. Seeing how similiar some of my PM's of this game were to my last game PM's, I don't think it unreasonable to suspect Sasaki of trying to do this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kommodus
Yes, it is true that earlier detectives will have an easier time "faking" it, but frankly, I don't know how we are going to play the game if this is how it is going to be.
The fact is, thinking it unlikely (I'm sure some people do) that I could be a detective in Mafia IV and then Mafia V is a statistical fallacy.
One can't suspect someone just because they were a detective last time.
Now please listen here. Although I could have forged all my PM's, take a look at the inital PM GH gave me. It has explanations of the "realism" mode. My previous PM in IV did not have that, and though it is not conclusive, it should not be dimissed either.
Now, GH is delaying posting the kills due to me revealing and the realism mode (haven't you seen how sometimes kills are posted almost right after executions and sometimes they are delayed?).
After he posts the kills, we have 11. If you believe me, then 5 of those 11 are innocent (me + 4 innocents I named (Kage, DoH, Csar, Sig)).
Even if you don't believe me and lynch me, do not kill those 4 simply because I said they were innocent. You should definitely not jump to such a conclusion! They will help you in narrowing down the list, and making you last 3 lynches count...
Sorry, reall life has attacked again. That, and I'm having a very hard time keeping the 2 mafia games straight. I don't think I'll play in 2 again :dizzy2: (and if the mafia are looking for a willing victim, come & get me).Quote:
Originally Posted by Kagemusha
You're basically making the argument that I warned everone about in GF2, that simply by not acting like an imbecile, I was going to come off as suspicious.
Yes, I'm paying more attention to people's actions. And yes, I do know more than a bit of scripture. But those 2 facts hardly confirm me as a mafioso. I appreciate your vote of confidence in my dilligence, but if anything, my poor showing in posting sort of contradicts that. Were I truly trying to be a masterful mafia, wouldn't I be jumping on every twist to spin it my own way?
I'm afraid I don't buy Reenk's defense. Sasaki has made some good points (did I just say that!?) and while I like Reenk, his answers haven't given me any warm fuzzies. I know voting for him will make me look further suspicious yet, but until he answers Sasaki on a few of the specific charges and doesn't make emotional appeals, I'm afraid I have to throw my hat in that corner. If he's not the 2nd mafia, I fully understand I'll be a prime candidate next round. No offense Reenk, I'm just not convinced. :shrug:
Vote: Reenk
Convinient explanation there Don,altough your vote for Reenk was pretty hasty since we start only voting, when the next day arrives on the kingdom of love and peace, the Frontroom.:smash:
Crapola... I finally make up my mind, then I go back and read Reenk's last post a little more closely, and saw what I had been looking for all along.
It all comes down to the list of innocents. 5. For 5 rounds. So either
A) Reenk didn't plan his detective role out the greatest and decided to reveal sooner than he needed to...
OR
B) He's using the detective role as cover. Now, Reenk's been around a while, and I think he knows claiming to be the detective after the landslide starts just makes you look all the guiltier, especially given his 0-5 record as detective (he can't even offer the town anything to go on).
Reenk's more rational than that. I've talked myself out of it.
unvote: Reenk.
Now, who do I go for if not Reenk.
I'm afraid I really don't have anything to go on. Sasaki going after Reenk? Well, that's just Sasaki being Sasaki.
Okay, time to look even more suspicious..
Vote: Abstain If this doesn't line me up for a lynch next round, nothing will. But frankly, for not keeping up better, I deserve it. :shame:
I know this terribly paranoid, but has anybody considered that Sasaki IS mafia and since they get two kills regardless of 1 or 2 of them, he came up with a Machiavellian plan of targeting himself, making himself an unimpeachable witness?
Why am I even agonizing like this? We're in a murder phase (night) not a voting phase (day) or do I have those 2 reversed? Anyway, my abstain vote is safe while I'm bungling around, trying to get caught up.... Any guesses as to who's going to get whacked tonight?
Funny feeling it's me. I wish the kills would come soon, it's like waiting to go over the top (only a lot less dramatic). And there's a possibility I won't be able to get online tomorrow night.
Either way it will be two of the four people RR claimed as innocent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Corleone
Mafia can't kill each other. The only way they can do so is to join in a lynching.Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Corleone
~D ~D ~D ~D ~DQuote:
Originally Posted by Don Corleone
GH is online... Anytime soon, right?
Yeah, they're coming. My computer ate the kills when I was almost done, so I'm kind of mad. They'll be up shortly.
Day breaks in the Frontroom. All is quiet. It was a bitterly cold morning, but nevertheless Csar was on sitting on a bench in the village park. However, he was having no fun. First of all, it was very cold out. Second of all, he had work to do. He was hunched over a thick book, furiously scribbling notes down.
A long, dark shadow suddenly came over him. Csar looked up to see what was blocking the sun. He saw a tall figure, wearing a wide brimmed hat with grapes on it. “Csar,” the figure said in a cold, evil voice.
“Oh it’s you Wanax -” Csar said, quite annoyedly, “move out of the way.”
The Wanax raised an eyebrow, or at least that was what Csar perceived, contrary to the fact that the dark void face of The Wanax remained static. “You are not terrified or even intimidated by The Wanax?”
Csar replied: “Normally I would be, but this Calculus is more terrifying and intimidating than any crazed Wanax could ever be.
“Hmm-” mused The Wanax as he plucked a grape from his hat, “I cannot have any rival causing fear around. Very well Csar, I shall help you end your worries concerning Calculus.”
“Really! Thanks Mr. Wanax!” Csar was ecstatic.
“Yes-Yes, anyway, I offer you two choices to end the cancer of calculus: The Analyst or the Phasgana.”
Csar was confused: “I don’t have any idea what either of those are.”
The Wanax rolled his eyes, which furthered perturbed Csar, as the void face remained static. He answered: “The Analyst or A Discourse Addressed to an Infidel Mathematician is Berkeley’s devastating attack on calculus. Now, subsequent mathematicians have addressed the refutations of Berkeley and tried to rigourously defend calculus, most notably Robinson, but it still remains an important challenge.”
The Wanax continued, though his voice had turned conspicuously evil: “However, I do not believe you are able to grasp the theoretical depth of The Analyst, so I shall acquaint you with the phasgana.
Csar noticed this change of tone and suddenly grew scared. "W-what's the phasgana?"
The Wanax grinned, although Csar could see nothing. "Let me show you."
Csar was found, cleaved in half, on the bench. Among the massive amount of blood was a business card with a grape watermark. Embossed on it were the words: ‘The Wanax.’
At the same time, Sigurd Fafnesbane was also out in the cold, admiring the Frontroom cliffs and just meditating. He knew that most likely he would die, so he might as well be at peace with himself before that time game.
So Sigurd passed the day by just staring out to the sea, immune to the cold. He was a Norwegian, after all. This kind of weather didn't bother him in the least.
However, what he saw next chilled to the bone. He could see a Bible passage painted onto one of the extremely pointy rocks below.
In shock, Sigurd turned around, wondering if anybody was around. He saw, right behind him, a man in sunglasses and a trenchcoat, grinning.
"Hello," said the mafioso, and punched Sigurd in the jaw. He went down, hard, but the mafioso grabbed his collar and dragged him to the edge of the cliffs.
"By the way, that Bible passage will be a lot easier to read on the way down." With that, the mafioso pushed Sigurd off the cliffs.
His statement was proven true. The last thing Sigurd saw before impacting on one of the extremely pointy rocks below was the following, painted on another rock:
"Apocalypse 12:9"
Later that day, in Chief of Police Beirut's office (the town square was now no more than a large crater due to the Wrath of God/General Hankerchief), the town was gathered to hear the latest news.
"Gentlemen," Beirut began, "Sorry about the lack of space, but judging by your previous successes room will soon be made. Anyway, Csar and Sigurd have been killed, and the person executed will still be buried alive. So get voting, and if you need to use the bathroom, it's down the hall, third door to your left."
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Original post:
Okay, now I'm mad. The stupid thing crashed just as I clicked the "post" button. So, until I feel like writing the kills for a third friggin' time, I'm just going to post a short synopsis of who died.
-Csar was killed by the Wanax.
-Sigurd Fafnesbane was pushed off of a cliff. The Bible passage was "Apocalypse 12:9"
Oh, wait, wasn't I the Wanax? Weren't we all so sure that I was the...well...whatever...
And who exactly would be the first? What makes you so sure that one is dead already?Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Corleone
I'de go for DC and RR.
Forgot to add this.
HAHAHAHAHA I AM INNOCENT. ALL YEE WHO DOUBTED ME YOU HAVE BEEN PROVEN WRONG HAHAHAHAHAHA