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I don't know if this helps in any way...
But I contacted Warluster first and had a pretty good dialogue with him. He was of course very skeptical towards me at first and would not give too much information.
It was to him I showed what Csar had asked me about. He will confirm this.
Hence he, Sir Moody, Sir Boo and Dutch_guy are the real deal.
I then contacted Sir Boo and the rest of the story you already know.
Basically I've been discussing with Sigurd in this game. Before Sir Moody's reveal I knew these things. Warluster was a Mason and that Sir Boo was a brother of one of the masons. So when Sir Moody and DG told this and additionally filled in the gaps, I knew that their claim was valid. So when Kommodus went and tried to refute the claim, I knew that he was lying.Quote:
Originally Posted by JimBob
I'm speaking the truth or atleast what I believe is the truth according to what Sigurd has told me.Quote:
You wish to lay that out for us or are you just bsing us? I'm not going to take your word for it.
Seamus has been on my suspect list from the start with Sir Moody. When it became clear that Moody was a mason, I was going to go for Seamus, but then Kommodus started his attack against the mason reveal. Thus I decided to go for him instead.Quote:
Why? Did your attempted hit on him last night fail? Want to finish your business?
I believe Sir Moody said that he did protect you last night. As to your vote against me; I can tell you this; I'm not the guy you're looking for. It is just a matter of trusting me. I do not betray the trust of others. (But it is up to you to trust me)Quote:
Either the mafia targeted Seamus or me apparently. And there is enough inconsistency in Aggony's post. He's also is far too confident.
Vote: Aggony Duck
The matter of your note:
Your note was delivered to me at 7:52 am GMT +2, two minutes after the kills. AFAIK they would limit me the next night, not the last one.
Okay, theres a big argument over who is a masons and all, well to back up my fellow (dead) masons I say some stuff.
Yes I was a mason, simple easy done.
Dutch_Guy was a mason. simple,easy done
Sir Moody was a mason. simple,easy done
Over time I watched some people think we were mafia. Some people thought the mason mesage was a mafia one. I can even tell you who I protected over the game.
Finally, after Sigurd destroyed his credibility I was 80% sure he had a mafia supporting role, but that you had one as well sounds a bit far-fetched.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warluster
Vote: Kommodus
I don't really need to say why, do I?
Gah... what the heck... :shrug:
Well, looks like people have chosen to believe private communications they've had with untrustworthy people rather than rational argument. The mafia have done a fine job of building a coalition of trust. I'm not privy to these communications, so I guess I can't argue against them.
I'm a bit disappointed that no one seems to care about the inconsistencies in Sir Moody's problem-ridden reveal. But oh well, I knew I'd get lynched eventually. C'est la vie.
Kudos to Sir Moody, Sigurd Fafnesbane, and gang. You've done a fine job of leading the town around by the nose. I wish the town luck, but at this point I don't fancy its chances. :no:
I don't know what to make of Warluster's comments. There's something going on that I don't understand; I suppose we'll find out at the end of the game, won't we? Still, I don't think a post-mortem role-reveal is an allowable thing, so... ???
Sir Moody, your time will come, you dirty mafioso!
Have fun, guys! :2thumbsup: :skull:
Yet you (and most of the town) believed me even though I was basically caught red handed. :laugh4: :grin2: Manipulation...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kommodus
Anyhoo, I'm fairly confident that Kommo is guilty, not as confident as Gen-Hanky of course, but confident nonetheless.
As Kommodus himself put it (paraphrased), lynching Seamus in Mafia V:
It's not certain (what really is?), but it's our best shot.
Vote: Kommodus
By the way, I've always had a nagging feeling that Sigurd was attempting to play me, but he doesn't know which game I'm playing so... :wink:
Well, you do sound pretty desperate(especially for someone who relies on rationale and numbers~;) ) so my heart says let him live.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kommodus
But I don't really see any other option now, there seem to be a lot of people who think that you are guilty and their claims are somewhat consistent.
I'm not going to believe sigurd anything again anytime soon I think but all three supposed masons tell the same story.
Either you are a mafioso or we might really have some cult thing going on here. They all seem to know "more" and I feel a bit excluded as well so I might change my opinion and abstain again or something like that.
All those lies and "ruses" from their side really hurt their cause, whatever that may be, well, why not do it now, this game has been spoiled by so many deceptions, I'm completely torn in all directions, the only one whose role is clear and makes me feel warm and fuzzy is disco, at least I know his agenda......
Let's see who else is there...
Unvote: Kommodus
Vote: doc_bean for staying under the radar(at least under mine)
May turn out to be my first "effective" vote in case anyone needs this for a statistic to get me lynched.:2thumbsup:
woah, no lynch.....
Sasaki is slacking.
And so Kommodus was lynched.
However, it appears that during the heated discussion prior to the final vote being cast, Sir Moody had revealed to much. His claim to be a mason might have been doubted had it not been for the two deceased masons stepping up and arguing alongside him. This was proof enough for the mafia don and Sir Moody was found face down in the street riddled with bullet holes.
Killed (7):
Caius Flaminius
Kagemusha
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Warluster
Masy
Don Corleone
Sir Boo
Lynched(4):
Reenk Roink
GeneralHankerchief
Dutch_guy
Kommodus
WoG(5):
Divine Wind
Proletariat
Ultrawar
Peasant Phill
Sir Moody
Alive: (11):
discovery1
Jimbob
Seamus Fermanagh
Xiahou
AggonyDuck
Ituralde
Husar
doc_bean
Al Khalifah
Ignoramus
Ichigo
pm's please
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Discovery1 blows the smoke off from his tommy gun.
Good riddence. Pitty I couldn't have more fun with you though.
Discovery1 climbs into a car and speeds off.
no i got what i deserved (tho i should be under wog not dead sas :help:)Quote:
Originally Posted by sasaki
i thought it would be ok as i was revealing them first - i probably should have checked with you first
So Sasaki pretty much confirmed the Mason role, that's good to know.
While eradicating the last one. Not sure if I'd be talking about "silver linings" yet.
Still, makes me feel better about doing for Kommo. Kommo may simply have been on the wrong track, but his vociferous efforts against Moody still make me suspicious.
Wonder if I'll live to vote again? I will I be gutted by the mafia or even by Little Timmy?:inquisitive:
Well, why would the mafia remove such a valuable player. And further more, I don't think it's possible for mafioso to kill themselves - or colleagues for that matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
If you're not a mafia, as you state, don't be worried. They'd be tremendously stupid to lynch you - and you know the town knows it, as do the bad guys.
:balloon2:
I think doc_bean needs to explain his reason for not posting here.
Perhaps so, but I have yet to survive one of these games -- regardless of role.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dutch_guy
Wow. :shocked2: ~:eek:
My word did I ever have that wrong. Sir Moody and gang, I obviously owe you an apology. I suppose I deserved that lynch after all. This game threw me pretty badly. :dizzy2: :embarassed:
I was so sure I had it figured out. But jeez, guys, didja really have to include those wierd inconsistencies? What was I supposed to think? :help:
Anyway, bleegggghhhh... sorry. :shame:
In the event of my death things AggonyDuck says about Csar are true.
We all know how hectic things get in these games, there really is no need to apologize at all. God knows we've all, at least once, accused someone who then turned out to be the village hero. It happens, no problem here. :2thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kommodus
...
Now let's get back to business. :yes: ~D
:balloon2:
Apparently my blitz efforts agin you were misplaced. Nothing personal, just business.
Jimbob was home, sitting at his desk. He had just finished writing a few notes when he thought he heard movement in the kitchen and got up to investigate.
Just as he rounded the corner, he was surprised by what appeared to be a large clown, holding a small horn in his hand, standing by the refridgerator.
*Honka!*
"Sparky .....is that you?"
*Honka!*Honka!*
An expression of horror spread over JimBob's face as he began to wimper quietly....
The next morning, JimBob's severed head was discovered in the town square, his mouth crammed with blue and red slips of paper, each with the name JimBob scrawled on them in crayon.
***
Killed (8):
Caius Flaminius
Kagemusha
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Warluster
Masy
Don Corleone
Sir Boo
Jimbob
Lynched(4):
Reenk Roink
GeneralHankerchief
Dutch_guy
Kommodus
WoG(5):
Divine Wind
Proletariat
Ultrawar
Peasant Phill
Sir Moody
Alive: (10):
discovery1
Seamus Fermanagh
Xiahou
AggonyDuck
Ituralde
Husar
doc_bean
Al Khalifah
Ignoramus
Ichigo
Let the voting begin!
Well my suspicions are aroused.
I think Husar is a mafia.
The poem in the second round about him clearly pointed out it was Husar, making us thinking he was next, and we thought him innocent.
Discovery1 was declaring on the chat names of mafia, some didnt believe him because it was too obvious, so he tricked us.
When Husar was not murdered it was obvious, there fore I come to think it is Husar.
Vote:doc_bean
I have yet to hear anything from him in a while. I doubt his innocence at this point.
Well, if Kommodus was mafia, which he might well have been, looking at the debate the last few days between him and the masons, I did vote for him rather consistently.
Truth be told I haven't been paying as much attention to this game as I should have. :embarassed:
You voted for him twice. And that was both times you really gave no reasons besides "Hey maybe we can find some mafioso's".Quote:
Originally Posted by doc_bean
Looking back through your posts your acting exactly like I did in GFII. Voting but only giving one line reasons. I really doubt your innocence now.
Dont you remember me?Quote:
Quote:
somewhat new player
Now Csar, why would I let a mafia do something that would attract attention to themselve, like let them stay quiet?
Well essentially we're stuck in a situation we're noone really stands out from the crowd in suspicion. Luckily we have approximately three to four lynches to get this right. But before this the town needs to rally itself to find the last culprit.
I was initially going to vote for Seamus. Something has been off with his behaviour lately, but I believe it could be caused by the mammoth mafia game that he is hosting. Thus I will cast my vote against Xiahou. He has managed to lay low the whole game without really attracting any suspicion what so ever. He seems like a guy that Discovery would recruit.
Vote: Xiahou
random number generator says: vote: Ichigo
He doesn't like me anyway :laugh4:
vote will change if anyone can put forth a good reason to vote for someone else.
Hmm, random guessing?
Will that get us anywhere?
Well, since doc_bean thinks so...
Vote: doc_bean
It's good that you voted for Kommodus consistently, maybe voting consistently is a good idea.:sweatdrop:
Really can you make someone change how they post Disco? I didn't think so.Quote:
Originally Posted by discovery1
Well, do YOU have any clues ???Quote:
Originally Posted by Husar
Share them, please...
The only problem with lurking is it only works til the end when someone notices it.
I can send PMs telling people they better make more noise, or less, depending on what I think of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ichigo
Vote: Ichigo
I relented for a round after what looked like a sure-thing to lynch Kommodus turned into a lynch on DG. Kommodus was highly suspicious and deserved lynching, so I helped make sure of it.
Now back to Csar/Ichigo, he's been acting suspicious virtually the entire game talking about knowing the "truth" while not having a role. I think he was trying to make us think he was the soothsayer- which he clearly was not.
After re-reading the thread, I've reached the conclusion that Xiahou is innocent. So I'm switching back to Seamus.
Unvote: Xiahou
Vote: Seamus Fermanagh
About doc_bean, I'd say that he is innocent due to the fact that he did vote for himself earlier in the game. It's a risky assumption, but we have to take risks at the moment, because it is likely that there is still two mafiosi left.
So did Kommodus but we still lynched him. That doesn't confirm you innocent.Quote:
Originally Posted by AggonyDuck
I said something about the truth once. I thought I had figured out who the masons were, but I was wrong. You could have interpreted it anyway you want. If you remember I always said I never had a role. :P Not my fault you didn't believe me. I doubt your mafia cause when you were you lurked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xiahou
Are you kidding me? Where is everyone at? Get out there and vote!
Vote count:
Ichigo 2
doc_bean 2
Seamus 1
This is the worst round of voting I've seen in a while. Sad really.
Vote: Ichigo
I SAW HIM EATING A MEATBALL!!!!
FiguresQuote:
Originally Posted by discovery1
My head is not as into this game as it should be.
My notes on characters "acting out of character" says:
Ducky is voting more regularly and with more analysis (less gut) than ever before.
Ichigo and Sigurd are teamed in some way -- and Sigurd is more choppy than usual, though only by a bit.
Moody was a Mason, some Kommo was attacking wrong.
Doc is voting more than usual for him and more consistently involved (not just reading). He has voted the entire game for either Ichigo or Kommo to buy it. This continues. This much pitbull is unusual, but not a typical mafia approach. Tenacity draws attention the wrong way.
In this case, I'll follow his lead. I am wary of Sigurd's help and Doc is striking a chord with me.
Vote: Ichigo
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Ichigo has been lynched.
Ichigo = 4 (Seamus, Doc_bean, X-man,discovery1)
Doc_bean = 2 (Husar, Ichigo)
Seamus = 1 (Ducky)
***
Killed (8):
Caius Flaminius
Kagemusha
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Warluster
Masy
Don Corleone
Sir Boo
Jimbob
Lynched(5):
Reenk Roink
GeneralHankerchief
Dutch_guy
Kommodus
Ichigo
WoG(5):
Divine Wind
Proletariat
Ultrawar
Peasant Phill
Sir Moody
Alive: (9):
discovery1
Seamus Fermanagh
Xiahou
AggonyDuck
Ituralde
Husar
doc_bean
Al Khalifah
Ignoramus
pm's please
I doubt Seamus's innocence as well as doc's, but I've been lynched so I guess that doesn't matter now. And by some crappy evidence IMO.
Just want to drop in real quick and apologize for my absence yesterday. I was at two different birthdays the whole day yesterday and figured I could get a vote in before I went to bed last night. Well, with my GF around it didn't quite work out the way I planned, that's why I didn't vote.
But since I'm not convinced of anything besides my own innocence, I would have been pretty lost for casting a vote anyways. :thumbsdown:
(on pda)
damn people, isn't it obvious tha Ichigo was innocent?
Disco put one of the two final votes on him. A GF would not want to lose one of his own at this point in the game.
Then Seamus comes out from hiding and put the damning last vote.
Damn suspicious if you ask me.
I don't know if I have a say in this anymore, but Seamus should be lunched. And if the game doesn't end, then lynch Husar. He is giving Mafia support vibes. If the game doesn't end then, then we are damned.
I agree Seamus' vote is a bit weird, but I think he's just pre-occupied with his own mafia game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane
Then lynch me, going by Sigurd's logic.Quote:
Originally Posted by doc_bean
But we might want to wait for the next kills, maybe disco has a different end prepared for me.:sweatdrop:
[QUOTE=Sigurd FafnesbaneI don't know if I have a say in this anymore, but Seamus should be lunched.[/QUOTE]
Agreed. Someplace with a nicely varied salad bar please.
Doubtful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Husar
pevergreen replaces Al Khalifah
Redleg replaces Ignoramus
Alive: (9):
discovery1
Seamus Fermanagh
Xiahou
AggonyDuck
Ituralde
Husar
doc_bean
Al Khalifahpevergreen
IgnoramusRedleg
Weird stuff Sasaki.
so to make it clear to me, the game is going into night phase correct?
It is currently night. Night should end in 4 hours or so, then voting will begin. Gives you some time to read.
What exactly is the purpose of such a switch?
They were inactive. I prefer this to WoG, I've already WoG'd a bunch of players.Quote:
Originally Posted by AggonyDuck
Now you will fear me!
MWHAHAA
Pevergreen had just finished dinner at the local greasy spoon. A lot had been going on in this town and he had a lot of catching up to do if he was going to catch the mafia.
After paying his bill, he started the walk home. As he rounded a corner, deep in thought he was startled when he stepped on something...
*Honka!*
Looking down pevergreen saw he had stepped what appeared to be a small horn, the type you might find on a bicycle. As he studied the strange object he hear a reply from behind a nearby building.
*Honka!*
Intrigued, pevergreen cautiously peered into the shadows behind the building when suddenly a large clown stepped out from the shadows holding a small horn in one hand and a meat cleaver in the other. He turned to run as the clown stood grinning menacingly at him. But as he began to flee, he slipped on a cream pie that he could've sworn wasn't there a moment ago. pevergreen fell and hit his head hard on the pavement... the last thing he heard was the horn.... *Honka!*
The next morning, pevergreen's body was found in an alleyway, apparently strangled by a balloon animal which was still tied tightly around his neck. :clown:
***
Killed (9):
Caius Flaminius
Kagemusha
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Warluster
Masy
Don Corleone
Sir Boo
Jimbob
pevergreen
Lynched(5):
Reenk Roink
GeneralHankerchief
Dutch_guy
Kommodus
Ichigo
WoG(5):
Divine Wind
Proletariat
Ultrawar
Peasant Phill
Sir Moody
Alive: (8):
discovery1
Seamus Fermanagh
Xiahou
AggonyDuck
Ituralde
Husar
doc_bean
Redleg
New voting rules: 8 alive, so 5 to lynch. This means you will have to reach some sort of semi-consensus. Once the 5th vote has been cast the voting will be over regardless of any unvotes that follow. Don't edit your posts to change votes, make a new post.
I believe that either Seamus or Husar is guilty. I will stick to my rather constant suspicions and vote for Seamus.
Vote: Seamus Fermanagh
Pretty scarry, you being worm feed.Quote:
Originally Posted by pevergreen
Aye, Pevergreen, we can not fear you, as you are dead! HA!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pevergreen
You killed him just because he said that, didn't you ?Quote:
Originally Posted by discovery1
:balloon2:
:laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
I will keep the typos as they were funny...
I can agree with AggonyDucks reasoning. Also I always considered Ichigo innocent, making anyone that has put a vote on him suspicious to me. Since we have to reach some consent here, I'm gonna go with Seamus.
Vote: Seamus Fermanagh
Should give him more time for his game, too! :beam:
I deserved that! :laugh4:
Quite mean though, killing me as soon as i replace someone!
Damn-eth you Sasaki!
So now that we have a lot of beliefs and two votes on Seamus, does anyone have an idea or something substantial to base a vote on?
I didn't think a lot about this game over the weekend so I don't have much of an idea now, except for a few more beliefs that is.
I explicitly saw Discovery make a vote for Ichigo…Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
In your rules it states that the Godfather is allowed to vote but his vote in not counted in the tally.
Is this the case? In the endgame this is important to know since the mafia will then have one more vote to counter the town.
That said…
If there is a pro-mafia role in this game the mafia should have 3 votes to place this round (assuming that GH and Kommoudus were Mafiosi).
The town should have 5 votes against the mafia.
I am assuming this as Sasaki just changed the voting rules. I know I am assuming a great deal here but this could very well be the scenario we are facing.
The town is divided in two camps and this is the camps as I see it:
Mafia/pro-mafia:
Discovery1 : Godfather
GH : Henchman (dead)
Kommodus : Possible Henchman (dead)
Seamus : Possible Henchman
Husar : Possible Pro-Mafia
Town:
AggonyDuck
Xiahou
Doc_bean
Redleg
Ituralde – Soothsayer (All though he could have a dual role Mafioso/soothsayer but currently I don’t feel any vibes from that direction)
My whole basis for this assertion is the fact that Discovery1 have chosen his own henchmen from the players.
All though I would have chosen differently I would ensured that Kommodus was on my team to disable that method he has of finding mafia. The fact that he has not used it in this game (If we disregard that he named a Mason) counts to him being “dirty”. All though he could have misled us greatly with this method but have chosen not to, also counts to his tally of Mafia clues. He is an honorable fellow and will not further discredit his method.
From speaking with GH in the chat I am without doubt concerning his guilt.
Now to Seamus… I get the same vibes from him as I got from Kommodus. It is the perfect cover to be less involved in a game to host one of your own. This has been the case here. Last time Seamus was Mafioso he showed the same traits, not eagerly concerned with his role as townie. That he voted out Ichigo, a bandwagon that even the Godfather joined at this end stage of the game speaks of “dirtyness”.
Husar… Now here is a fellow that either plays along with the mafia to avoid getting killed by them or a fellow with a pro-mafia role.
Another matter is the introduction of two new players at this stage.
That the Mafia killed one of them is a clear statement to us that Al was innocent.
What about Ignoramus... a bold move to choose him as henchman if you ask me all though feasable. I think it not likely. No, Disco had a short time to choose his henchmen and I believe he chose what would in a normal situation be a winning team. That is GH, Kommodus and Seamus. All experienced Mafia, but sadly diluted.
It was too obvious a choice.
Sigurd
Xiahou wouldn't have been a bad choice either. Remember the previous game were in the final round it was between him and (mafiosi) Don C ? He's a surviver that tends to stay under the radar.
I'd give Seamus the benefit of the doubt right now...
vote:Xiahou
Fixed. I was copying Seamus's vote count.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane
From reading the numerous posts of this game.
Vote:Seamus
Not Mafia.
Not sure at this point who is.
Followed Doc's lead last time.
I'll select Xiahou this time -- see reasoning a couple of post above. Works for me.
Vote: Xiahou
I agree with Sigurd on this one. Seamus would've been an ideal choice for a mafioso and has done a good job of lying low as compared to his normal style.
Vote: Seamus
I think we can also safely assume Redleg's innocence- I don't know of anyone who would go inactive after receiving a mafia role.
Seamus=4
Xiahou=2
Well, it looks like I'm for the chop.
I am not mafia, I have no special role, but I am distracted. Perhaps too distracted to be a proper help and thus deserving of an exit.
discovery1 (GF)
Seamus Fermanagh
Xiahou
AggonyDuck
Ituralde
Husar
doc_bean
Redleg
I suspect we have one mafia, possibly two left. If it's two, we're in trouble.
All of these players are involved differently than in preceding mafia outings. Redleg new to the fold but avid, Doc, Ituralde, Ducky, X-man all differing from previous games -- but no clear reason for why. Many explanations would be positive for the town. Husar has already come under fire.
I guess X-man tops my list, but I've got little concrete to go on.
If it's my turn, I say: "Shoot straight you _______, don't make a mess of it!"
I'm pretty sure that Xiahou is innocent, mainly due to his role in getting GH lynched, whom seems to be a pretty definitive mafioso. At the moment I have two suspects: Seamus and Husar. I'm almost inclined to believe what Seamus is saying, simply because he appears sincere. That would leave Husar left. Anyway it appears like I still have time to change my vote.
Unvote: Seamus
Vote: Husar
Care to elaborate how my behaviour differs from previous games and I might get a chance to explain myself? I'm curious to know how differently I actually am playing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
Ducky:
A lot more consistently active -- in previous games you'd be streaky, busy for a couple of rounds then lurking a few more.
Post count has probably increased slightly (check with Kommo) and I know post word length has gone up.
Posts seem a little more strongly analytical, especially in the early part of this game, and less "by the gut."
Now, for the life of me I have no clue whether this means:
a) you're mafia
b) your're a role player and a little more involved this time
c) you're simply getting into these games more and its reflected in a changing post style
Any of these are plausible. I'm too frazzled to clear it up in my own head. I even stopped my vote tallies last round in this one....:dizzy:
Hmm, I'm torn between AggonyDuck and Xiahou now.
doc_bean has a good point concerning Xiahou but IMO AggonyDuck is also a bit suspicious. He asks how his behaviour is different from previous games, may be a bit overeager to know what could give him away. He was also in the chat lately, while this is appreciated in itself, he may have been chatting with disco there.
I was suspecting Seamus before especially after talking to Sigurd a lot in the beginning of the game but I am not sure about this anymore.
Actually, since he wants to explain himself before he was even accused:
Vote: AggonyDuck
Well a plausible explanation for this change in behaviour would be the fact that I discussed with Sigurd in the Chat around round 3 or so. He shared some of his inside information, which fueled my interest for this game. Previously when playing a villager my activity tended to rise as the game entered the final stages, but here it has been more consistent, like you said.
Also what might have affected something was the Interficio-mafia game. Overall it wasn't a nice experience for me being one of the mafia in it. So now that I actually got the chance to play a villager again, I decided to put some more effort into it, although I fear my results are not that good.