King of the Romans OOC thread IX

OK, the battle was fought (3:2 odds):

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1262-1.zip

https://img293.imageshack.us/img293/7147/run0tv4.jpg

Frustratingly, the Mongol leader and some of his infantry escaped to around Aleppo. Elberhard can't reach them. Salier might be able to take them. Alternatively, Karl Zirn could backtrack but that would risk desertion.

The only positive feature is that I think Elberhard could move to support Fredericus's attack. FLYdude is welcome to do that, but don't please let the AI control Elberhard!

The AI controlled Elberhard in my battle and he came out fine.

Okay, yet another heads up [a shameless quote from a PM]:

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Originally Posted by Me

Just a quick note saying, yet again, that I will not be participating in this game the coming three weeks and that Stig will take full responsibility for the Franconian House. So for him personally the situation won't have changed [as he is currently in charge as Steward already].

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I hope my avatar manages to outlive my vacation, and that I will still be Günther when I return - keep the old man out of trouble please !

Anyway, I hope I can manage to tune in from my holiday destination at some point, but I'm not counting on it.

Have fun, and see you all in three weeks then :2thumbsup:

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Have fun on your vacation DG! :balloon2:

I hate to say it, but if Fredericus and Gunther, are at age 60, they might not live out the week, let alone 3. In four turns, they will be 62 and we are moving through the turns at a fairly good clip now that the Diet session is over. I've heard of generals living to 63 but I have not personally seen any older than that. People with "aged" avatars (there are at least 4) might want to think of who they want to take over as a new character once their old ones die. Just a thought. There are still 4 spares but one of those is 50.

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Originally Posted by GH

The AI controlled Elberhard in my battle and he came out fine.

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I bet the AI couldn't make him swear like Elberhard though. :laugh4:

So do I send Wolfgang's vote to AussieGiant?

From what I have seen him say IC and OOC I think you are supposed to send it to him. But, I do not know for sure. :no:

i call the save!

well here we are. the FHA kinda got boned after the first battle - theres still an army that we will be unable to engage successfully in the area. heres the two screenshots. i captured and executed the king - felt great!

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http://123pichosting.com/images/3602kotrpetey2.JPG

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http://123pichosting.com/images/5209kotrpetey3.JPG

I've stolen the save and are holding it for ransom.

What do you want for it?

I have :2cents:

gibson, remember you need to post a link to the newest save. Otherwise we run the risk of confusion and someone playing on from the wrong save.

I assume http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/1262-2.zip is the save you uploaded?

I also assume that's what FLYdude downloaded?

I hope so. :sweatdrop:

I don't know what FD downloaded but I can confirm that the link you posted is the one that went up right after Gibson posted his results.

yeah thats what i uploaded - sorry i didnt know im new to this lol

Yes, I picked up 1262-2.zip. The few prisoners, along with their leader, were released and retreated towards Aleppo.

Save: http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1262-3.zip

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https://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y2.../battle-k4.jpg

[Mr.Burns]Excellent[/Mr.Burns]

Once I get home I'll take a look at the latest save and probably put out a new queue as Hans's battle doesn't need to be resolved until the end of the turn and PK's battle has been deferred for now.

I've decided I won't be using Crusade mechanics to hunt down Mongols. It seems more satisfying grinding them down the old fashioned way. So they'll live to fight another turn.

I will also post an interim report for 1262 once I'm home as well.

Edit: The leader was released? D'oh! Ah well Orda got away as well. I guess this will be a battle of attrition rather than decapitating the Mongols from the top.

Wow, you got some casualties there Gibson, ah well the King is dead, and Thorn should be open for retraining again.

Overknight: please keep an eye on the historical armies restrictions. I think Elberhard had too many knights.

I realize that, but the army under Elberhard was the only one that could be gathered together in a turn. I was drawing in and combining forces from around Outremer. I had little time to recruit spearmen to balance out.

Considering it was a fight against the Mongols, I figured I could fudge it a bit. When reconstituting the HAs I will keep a strict eye on the restrictions, but with Elberhard's army, I worked with what I had.

As my term progresses all the armies, many of them which were in violation of troop guidelines when my term began, will follow them.

Econ, please, for the love of god, tell me I didn't just read Big E killing a few prisoners??:laugh4:

Are you going to the dark side young jedi?

I thought he voted for that release resolution even? :tongue:

On a different note, I should now be able to be online more regularly again. Checking back maybe in an hour and then again in 10 or so. Might then not hear much for another 12 due to more train travel.
Will be back to absolutely normal in around 40 hours from now, with access to M2TW as well.

It turns out there are no more battles to be farmed out for this year.

I'm fighting some rebels with Arnold, Hans's battle is going to be auto-resolved unless he gives me a proxy (he won't be able to fight the battle until time's elapsed) and the bandits blocking Jans are going to be run off, though he still has the option of fighting them 1:1, they'll run if anything else approaches though.

I'm going to assemble a report for 1262, so the effected parties can get back to me if they want to speak up.

Edit: I'm going to bed, so I won't be able to get 1264 today. So a little change of plans. If Privateerkev wants to fight that 5:4 battle against the rebs, take the latest save and do it. If FactionHeir wants to name a proxy, he can take the latest save and fight as well. Just make sure the save is the current one.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1262-3.zip

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Originally Posted by AussieGiant

Econ, please, for the love of god, tell me I didn't just read Big E killing a few prisoners??:laugh4:

Are you going to the dark side young jedi?

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Well, if the total prisoners is under 80, it won't effect his traits. So, us playing chivalrous types can slaughter all we want as long as we kill 79 at a time. :laugh4:

Got the save

If such news gets out to the known world no-one will ever believe a world you say ~D
Everyone will know your dirty little secrets :whip:

polish nobles are a pain in the arse, especially when the general's bodyguard accompanying them is 50 people so you have to keep an eye on them with ur tougher units. i want vilnius!!!

Alright, battle is done. Boy horse archers are annoying when you just have one unit of heavy cav and your fighting uphill. :P

OK, I'll PM you the results. This is my first time doing this so please let me know if I did it wrong.

http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1262-4.zip

i like when i get to execute prisoners, especially kings.

hey PK and Cecil, noticing the 2 loyalty points of peter rearing their ugly heads? im still executing, and im not changing my ways lol. thanks for the vote tho! hahahaha. hate me IC, not ooc. just roleplayin

Hey, its cool. You have to figure out how to RP such low loyalty IC somehow. Though you might find it more difficult IC to gain support for legislation in the future. :beam:

yeah.. his loyalty is at 4 now, so i should start regaining trust.

Well the Hummels are very good in low loyalty ~D

Hmm... maybe Ituralde's avatar should start getting more authority soon or we will start seeing avatars really rebel ingame? What is the min before rebellion of avatar starts happening anyway?

OK, do more assassinations and spying... :P

Am I the only one who feels a little iffy about all of this proxy use?

In WotS there was high drama because one inactive avatar had a battle to fight and he lost in the autoresolve. Why isn't this the case now? If your avatar is up for a battle and you're not available, you should either autoresolve or not fight. Those are the rules.

I guess people are using this to justify it:

(c) The commanding general may allow another player to fight a battle by mutual consent for OOC reasons.


I'm kind of neutral about it. On one hand I think the more people can fight their avatar's battles, the better. On the other hand I know how real life takes priority and sometimes you just don't have the time.

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In WotS there was high drama because one inactive avatar had a battle to fight and he lost in the autoresolve. Why isn't this the case now? If your avatar is up for a battle and you're not available, you should either autoresolve or not fight. Those are the rules.

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I kinda feel the same, the 48 hour timeframe has always been clear, and It might help with some of the steamrolling problems we've been having. I mean we spend TONS od time trying to manufacture problems, why not let the game make some for us?

Also, the 'new' avatar that just married In would be a hoot to play, I just wish he wasn't so old.

edit: for spelling.

I guess it would depend of the circumstances big or small battle. You can't be available for every battle but I sometimes think that I would take my chances on an auto-calc. I know I don't feel comfortable having active avatars under my command and then be in a situation to really need them and then the worse happens.

Maybe three options:
1 pass
2 auto-calc
3 other person command

If you know the consequences to your options; but my preference would be 1 if I wasn't available and park the avatar in a city.

Depending on whether the battle is imperative for a straight path to Jerusalem, I'll use proxy or pass.

As for the proxy... Ituralde can fight it and write about it, if the battle is required.
Just make sure that Hans is fighting at the front line as usual, and you ransom prisoners if the reward is greater than 2000.

lets end turn and keep going! woot w00t

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Am I the only one who feels a little iffy about all of this proxy use?

In WotS there was high drama because one inactive avatar had a battle to fight and he lost in the autoresolve. Why isn't this the case now? If your avatar is up for a battle and you're not available, you should either autoresolve or not fight. Those are the rules.

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Yes, I am starting to feel iffy about it too. There's been a bit of slippery slope - we've allowed it for travel and tech problems, but now it is starting to happen if people are busy for a couple of days or even one evening. If Overknight feels the same, I suggest that he get tough on it.

However, the M2TW autoresolve is much more forgiving than the RTW one, I think. For example, we'd probably do better autoresolving against Mongols or Polish nobles than fighting them manually.

My preference is that if players can't fight, they liase with the Chancellor to keep their avatar out of danger. I've floated the idea of "leave" and "active duty" before - rather like the Upper House and Lower House distinction. Players whose generals are on active duty can expect to be set up for battles. Those on leave, should be governing somewhere behind the lines.

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I guess people are using this to justify it:

(c) The commanding general may allow another player to fight a battle by mutual consent for OOC reasons.

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The wording may not be clear, but that clause was for when there are multiple generals in a stack. It is not really proxying, rather deciding whose avatar is in command.

From the diet:

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The fact that you hadn't bothered to speak at all until the matter was virtually settled speaks volumes. If you didn't care enough to present evidence when it could have actually affected something, why should we care that you're presenting it now?

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I am rather unsure how I am to reply to this IC considering it was the OOC that prevented me from doing so? :grin2:

"justice can wait"

Well guy's if we get tough on the fighting issue I would have to retire.

I'm not trying to be dramatic but I'm on the road for over half a year.

That means I would basically never be available to fight my battles.

On the flip side I am obviously very active in the game. The idea of using something like a spy, diplomat or other character type is a solution, but I hope you can all agree that this would be like standing on the side line watch the real action take place.

On the flip side some people that are away for a day here or a day there could be using the proxy thing a little too easily.

Maybe we could make up some legislation for it!!! Good god!! More rules. :oops:

I don't want to say I'm a special case but I'm a road warrior for work and this game is a great way to have fun no matter where I am.

I would fight all my battles if I was at home and be more than happy to fight others for them too :beam:

Maybe if the absence is for work or holiday then there is a exemption. It's an honour system of course but that could work.

AG

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I am rather unsure how I am to reply to this IC considering it was the OOC that prevented me from doing so?

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I realize it's unfair to you, but not to Hans. IC, there isn't anything in the world short of physical impossibility to excuse waiting so long to produce evidence on what is the most important issue to the entire nation.

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Well guy's if we get tough on the fighting issue I would have to retire.

I'm not trying to be dramatic but I'm on the road for over half a year.

That means I would basically never be available to fight my battles.

On the flip side I am obviously very active in the game. The idea of using something like a spy, diplomat or other character type is a solution, but I hope you can all agree that this would be like standing on the side line watch the real action take place.

On the flip side some people that are away for a day here or a day there could be using the proxy thing a little too easily.

Maybe we could make up some legislation for it!!! Good god!! More rules. :oops:

I don't want to say I'm a special case but I'm a road warrior for work and this game is a great way to have fun no matter where I am.

I would fight all my battles if I was at home and be more than happy to fight others for them too :beam:

Maybe if the absence is for work or holiday then there is a exemption. It's an honour system of course but that could work.

AG

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I think there is a happy medium somewhere. If vacation, work or CPU crash prevents one from playing then I think there would be specific instructions on what to do with the avatar. Sometime auto-calc can work just as fine. You AG are in a unique situation and it has been working fine for you. Look how long it took us to get Austrian avatars yet we were involved.
The proxy works if you know something is coming up and cannot make the commitment then you trust some else to fight the battle and you know the consequences. On the other hand I like the idea mention by econ from another game. If you know you can't be involved because of OOC commitments ( I hate to say real life) then your avatar steps back from the lines and does administration work.
There is balance to keep the momentum going in a game and the involvement of one's avatar without a lot of rules to the game.

Once I get home from work I will wrap up my work on 1262, I still have to do buildings, agent movement, taxation review and a final check that I haven't missed anything. We will then continue with 1264 if nothing exciting happens with the Crusaders.

Considering Hans's battle will be past the 48 hour mark when I get home, I will resolve it at my discretion, balancing concern for avatar and strategy.

The thing about the "active" or "inactive" list is I usually don't know until I put out a call for battle.

Barring a clear consensus from the peanut gallery, I will use Chancellor's discretion on the issue in a battle to battle basis.

Hi Northnovas,

Well Arnold would have to essentially step back permanently and any other avatar I take would do the same thing.

There would be brief moments when I'm back and IF, the timing was right I'd be able to fight a few battles with the avatar...of course after so much time sitting around that would be hard to organise and be rather "canned" in my view.

Can you imagine me in a house telling the Duke that I'm OOC back in a week after being away for 5 weeks and he should let me take over an army group, while other battle active players having been working away and proving themselves? I don't think that is fair on the guy's able to control armies in my opinion.

I would not want to be an active member able to fight battles regularly and then have the Duke use OOC reasons to let some other guy who's in a city for the last 10 years in the game suddenly pop in and pound away.

Essentially any avatar I control would sit in a castle or city and rot away.

That's the reality of me being away so much.

If that guideline was enforced Arnold would never have ended up the way he is now and more importantly any avatar I take on would likewise be in the same situation.

Personally I'd get bored of that.

Plus, if there is eventually a shortage of avatar's me taking one could be seen as a waste. Something I would also agree with totally. I would not want some prime avatar being handed to me so it can sit in cities for 80% of its life.

Anyway I'm just thinking out loud and I'm more than happy to listen to what the gallery has to say.

This is not directed at you Northnovas. You just asked a good question.

I'm back and it took a while longer to work myself through all of the Threads, you do accumulate stuff. :beam: Just finished with the OOC thread and will continue with the rest. Expect something from the Kaiser soon!

Thanks econ21 for fighting the battle, and I agree that we have been overusing the Proxy thing. Maybe it will be enough right now, to make people aware of the fact and that everyone for himself tries to rethink his position and accepts the occasional auto-resolve. I wouldn't want strict rules for it though. We can all talk, and I'm sure we'll find a solution that is satisfactory for everyone.

Welcome Tamur!

Ituralde

Let's continue the discussion in a new thread.