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Zim,
the unofficial way to check is exactly that.
The title of my character should be Inspiring not Saint...as he's definately not a saint :laugh4: Which is what brought up this topic just recently.
He's in Ragusa, east of Rome on the continent near modern day Croatia on the coast.
Alright, I had a little bit of trouble with the shortcut(kept getting an error saying that wasn't a valid target). However, I changed my cfg file, started a game up, and giving a character that trait gave him +2 authority. I'm going to go hunt down a KOTR save to check and make sure.
Thanks for all the help.
Update: I loaded up a KOTR save and, sure enough, he's "Arnold the Inspiring". I also noted that recruitable generals (another feature of the mod, I think) are also in. Looks like I'm good to go. Thanks again for the help!
Hey Zim,
regarding the invalid target thing, make sure to have any adjustments to the target outside of the shortcut:
ie "C:\Program Files\Paradox Interactive\Doomsday (CORE)\Hoi2.exe" mod-CORE2
where the mod-CORE2 is outside of the brackets ("") denoting the file path
-deguerra
Ah, so that was my mistake. I have it working with the config file, so I'll probably stick with that rather than risk screwing things up through my incompetence. :clown: It's nice to know, though.
P.S. Nice sig!
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Originally Posted by deguerra
I've consulted about avatars. Next turn, we will create recruitable generals for our two newest players.
deguera will be given a Swabian, loyal to Hummel.
Ramses II CP will be given a Franconian.
FYI, my recruitable general problem is fixed. I will take responsibility for spawning them.
So econ,
Just for my benefit. You fight these various battles on the map using customised battles in MTWII?
Cheers
AG
I use custom battles to get a feel for what would happen. I try to split combats in a turn into groups. Then I fight the mini-combat from both sides vs the AI. I take a view of the "average" result, based on commonsense and usually go with that. It may be hard to do with a siege though as the AI can't be relied upon to defend a wall at a given point (or at all, sometimes). But custom battles should still give me something to go on.Quote:
Originally Posted by AussieGiant
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Originally Posted by econ21
WOW...incredible...you and TC are amazing.
So that makes +2 generals for Hümmel as Zim is also taking a Hümmel supporter?Quote:
Originally Posted by econ21
The Bern battle seems to be going into the decisive phase. Should be interesting to see how it resolves.
Igno's gotta be happy about that.
Make you wonder if I should go on some recruiting drive like real politics. :laugh4:
+2 generals, but pretty much +0 additional resources. 2 more generals does not mean 2 more armies or double the wealth. He will either have to keep his military concentrated, which means new generals add nothing to him, or he will have to disperse the units between the new people, which will make him more versatile, but less able to defeat large armies. Plus, he's about to lose Caen and will be limited to Militia, Flemish Pikes, Hand Gunners, and Arquebusiers. Not exactly a match for a high level castle army.Quote:
Originally Posted by FactionHeir
More people does not mean more power during the cataclysm.
You know, I think I'd take two general's bodyguards against any six companies of AI castle units (But not 1 vs 3!). They aren't armies, but they are extremely battlefield effective as long as you're willing to risk them.
Needless to say, don't expected Nameless von Franconia to be hanging back in battle. :laugh4:
:egypt:
I beg to differ. Aside from two units of formidable heavy cavalry (and any small number of units that may be spawning with one or both of the generals ~;)), Hummel has gained two additional heads with which to consult about the state of his small principality. He can now defend both cities with players-led battles with or without jeapordizing his own avatar. He can use his new generals in battles against hostile players, rather than risk Hummel's death and the disentegration of his Empire.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
They may not come with fully upgraded armies of Mounted and Dismounted Gothic Knights, Pavise crossbowmen, and Ritters, but I thnk that two new generals adds a lot of resources to the Principality, especially considering how poor it was in them to begin with. :yes:
Very good point, Zim. And not only that, if they survive Hummel will have a lot more political power in the next Diet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zim
What Zim said, and of course that they have options such as raising troops during the cataclysm as well and can, as any avatar, hire troops from settlements and lead attacks against others rather than autoresolve or armies being confined to settlements.
Yeah, I am most interested in what will happen next Diet session regarding the Principality of Swabia. Peter is concerned on this issue. He is not sure which route to take. Maybe I'll debate it in another subjective story.
I'm fine for the weekend, but American Thanksgiving is coming up on Thursday which might affect me and Privateerkev if the battle is not resolved by then.Quote:
Originally Posted by econ21, in the Bern thread
Don't worry, your troops will just stand idle and defend themselves. Not much more they need to do in a siege defense, right? :grin2:
Do you mean this Thursday (as in the Thursday that just passed 5 minutes ago) or next?
American Thanksgiving is next Thursday, not this one. A delay due to Thanksgiving is not a big deal, because I will be gone for it as well. I don't think it will last that long, though, and I hope to have the next turn (1332) running over that weekend.
Next Thursday, and stop messing with my mind.
I guess it's safe to admit now that I made my decision before even having a strong idea of the sitiation in Swabia. Ignoramus was the first and only person to send me an IC pm about who to join. Fellow players in the hotseat campaigns I'm in can attest to my being a sucker for IC negotiations.Quote:
Originally Posted by AussieGiant
Thanks for the acknowledgement, guys. Of course, Tincow's point is perfectly valid. Hummel's new generals will not magically make Hummel have more money for soldiers, nor spawn with tremendous armies that will lay waste to all the Principality's enemies. I was just thinking out loud about the flip side of the argument, which I thought also beared mentioning.
Between TinCow's post on upcoming battles and now, there's a lot of water under the proverbial stream crossing, so I may have missed someone taking the save. I've taken the save he posted, since I didn't see where anyone else had. However, I'll wait 30 minutes or so before fighting, just in case anyone sees this and knows the save has been used since then.
*twiddles thumbs*
The link in my post (this one) is still the most recent save.
Wonderful, thanks TinCow, I'll post back up in an hour or so.
Battle fought, victory with some new scars for Fritz! He needed more, he wasn't ugly enough already.
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Save is here:
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1330-8.zip
I have one more against the Danes this round, but I will have to return to this another time due to the hour here.
Happy Birthday AG!!!
:balloon2:
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Originally Posted by Privateerkev
Thanks PK!!!
And if people are not sure if an increase in avatar's is a respective house is not valuable...I'm more than happy to "bring them up to speed" with the multitude of benefits...and there are tonnes that go beyond just the militart aspect.
Updated
The deadline has expired and orders have NOT been received from:
Athalwolf von Salza (Warluster)- Orders received
Lorenz Zirn (Roadkill)- Orders received
Friedrich Karolinger (Warmaster Horus) - Temporarily Absent, he notified us in advance. Thus, this is not an issue. Included on the list only for my own future memory.
I understand that this turn will be longer than usual due to the Battle for Bern. I will thus continue to accept orders for the near future. However, I am getting annoyed at the sluggish response over the last two turns. I will not hold the game up for people who do not submit orders.
Also, whoever wins the Battle for Bern will have an opportunity to pacify one province per Elector after the battle. This applies to Dietrich von Dassel (GeneralHankerchief), Hans (FactionHeir), and Jan von Hamburg (Privateerkev).
Pending Battles:
Save as of 11:30am EST, Nov. 17th: http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1330-12.zip
Péter von Kastilien (gibsonsg91921):
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Fritz von Kastilien (Tamur): (Yes, Again)
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Fredericus Erlach (Stuperman):
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Wolfgang Hummel (Ignoramus):
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Two questions I want to ask each of the battle of Bern participants*:
(Q1) Suppose your general gets into a melee that he is going to lose. Do you want to:
(a) fight to the death?
(b) surrender?
(c) flee?
(Q2) As Q1, but suppose flight is impossible - surrender or death?
Maybe include the answer in your next set of orders.
If I don't receive an answer, I will assume you will flee if possible, otherwise surrender.
*Unfortunately, this does not really apply to Hugo, as he no longer is a combat unit and is just giving out orders.
EDIT: Answers received. Interestingly, all three generals picked different responses!
I'm guessing Hans chose to fight to the death?
Edit: Taking the save.
Ignoramus: After you finish this save, finish the MPC one as well, will you? Been waiting almost a week for your turn.
Battle finished.
FH: Sorry about that; will get on it.
Don't forget to upload the save.
He did, he just forgot the link:
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1330-10.zip
happy bday AG!
Happy Birthday, AG! ~:cheers:
:2thumbsup: Looks like things are really happening in the Battle of Bern.
Definitely. I have all the orders in for turn 5 and it is going to be another dramatic one. Unfortunately, I am too exhausted to resolve it properly now. I am not sure when I can escape from family duties to do it tomorrow, so it may be the evening before there is a result.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zim
This evening? :beam: What time zone would you happen to be in?
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Originally Posted by econ21
Econ is UK time, or GMT +0.
Drat, evening for him must mean his tomorrow evening, or about mid-day tomorrow for me. :sweatdrop: I guess I'll survive...somehow. :clown:Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
On a side note, I should assume by the number of threatening pms I've gotten (IC, not OOC :beam: ) that I've gotten more than bargained for when I picked my side in the civil war?
Either that, or it confirms my self-delusion about my importance in the game. ~;)
I wouldn't worry about them. FactionHeir should be concentrating on actually winning one lousy battle in this war of his first. :beam:
where are my threatening messages! i want threatening messages!
Hey now, no need to antagonize the guy with the most Swabian settlements and resources from the Kaiser....unless you start winning the battle, then it's ok. :clown: Besides, I haven't gotten any IC communications from Duke Hans.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
Maybe you need to post an introductory story and make up a fake placeholder name to get them? :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by deguerra
GH can do what he likes; he's crossed the Rubicon.
Generally, it's a compliment when you receive threatening messages; it means that your opponents are worried about you.
I was more worried about myself than General Hankerchief. ~;)
The one threatening one I got was mostly an excuse to include an kind OOC welcome. Another one was vaguely hostile but entirely IC and less threatening. I'm just joking around. :clown:
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Originally Posted by Ignoramus
I got the save.
Or if a murder is coming up... muhahhaha! I usually keep a few Folders on my PC full of Sent Threatening Messages and Received.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ignoramus
I suppose the Bern battle is a sortta 'Beggining of the End' for one of the factions.
Hans will die in about 12 turns, and then where will be his cause?
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1330-11.zip
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=183
hrm....sorry about your county OK
I give up, is something happening in 12 turns, or is that a crack about his in game age? :clown:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ignoramus
Hans is 56, and almost all generals die at 61. So he hasn't got long left.
Oh, good, my second guess was right. :beam:
Ehh. . .by 1232 I'll still be ahead a County.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuperman
I guess the New and Improved Three Gold Chevron Greek Army of Doom shows that adding experience works wonders. I just hope we haven't over-compensated.
Thanks for making the effort to relieve at least. :2thumbsup:
Now excuse me while I go to wire the Iron Bridge with explosives. . .
With his successor? :grin2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ignoramus
Henry lived till a high age (63) and Heinrich I think too. Why shouldn't Hans?
Any chance you will be writing a battle report for that? I always find defeats more interesting than victories. From the stats, it looks like the AI did to us what we keeping doing to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuperman
I don't know whether to be happy that I finally managed to have the AI defeat the players, or annoyed that it happened in my own Duchy.
[edit:] Taking the save to clear out Innsbruck.
I imagine lack of spearmen was your downfall? I usually find that only unopposed cavalry superiority allows the AI's aggression to work that well.
:egypt:
Done.
http://www.totalwar.org/patrons/pbm/kotr1330-12.zip
It is a nasty, nasty situation in Bavaria. I did NOT expect Stuperman to do so little damage to the Byzantine army. It is very worrisome. We are actually looking at the loss of all of Italy. At least no one can accuse me of playing favorites!
Was that the first triple gold death stack (TGDS) we've faced?
I'll give the AI this, compared to infantry it can handle horsemen (including to a degree mounted archers) very well, as Ramses said above. That's why I'm leary, econ too I think, of taking on that Kwarzi stack north of Antioch.
I second wanting to see a detailed battle report. We must learn from our defeats.
For a siege assault, Bern turned into a surprising field battle, at least to the north. I'm looking forward to the afternoon. :2thumbsup:
That was the first full gold stack, yes, but not the first gold in general. Antwerp was defended by about half a stack of gold Danes, but Ignoramus manged to take it. Here are his comments on the battle:
The next gold battle will be at Magdeburg, which I expect to be assaulted this turn. There are two Polish stacks attacking it and one is gold. However, the gold is the reinforcement army and has no siege equipment of its own. In those situations, the reinforcement army never even moves until a route is clear through the walls, so the battle will be more like fighting two armies in a row on the map rather than two at the same time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ignoramus
It will be tough, but the AI is still very poor at assaulting and Magdeburg is a citadel. It will probably be a desperate defense, but if anything can beat a gold stack, it's a citadel defended by a full stack professional army. I think that prudent withdrawals to the inner defenses will be the key. There is also the added complication that Tancred von Tyrolia will be nearby with reinforcements. There is a major danger of one or both of the Franconians being killed in the battle.
I have to say that from a player's standpoint, this is more intense than the Battle for Rome. By this time in the battle with Rome, the only things left to resolve were how long it would take to clean up, and whether we would get Servius or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by OverKnight
Here, I'm not sure who's going to win yet. It's going to be very close and methinks a Pyrrhic victory for whoever does come out alive.
uh oh, franconia's in trouble. im worried about my own playing skill level.
Thanks again to gibson and Zim for the b'day wishes.
I have to say the level of comfort is rapidly diminishing...and that is a great sign. TC you're doing a great job!!
Honest, after all the external effort we've given the AI the trick seems to be gold chevron armies. If we could match them up with a few AI avatar general's then we'd have a hell of a game and could play at just about vanilla levels in many other areas.
And again econ...and those in the Bern battle, excellent stuff. I've been reading avidly since the beginning. Hans seems to be a one man wrecking machine and nearly impossible to overcome.
There's more wishes in the Frontroom AG :grin:
Bern battle is indeed difficult. You can predict the AI's next move, but its more a chance thing to figure out the Human's moves. The forces up north are quite evenly matched with the inbalanced stats that 1.2 left us with, and that makes things only more intriguing.
econ's been doing considerable amount of work to keep this running quickly, and I very much like the implementation of his PvP system, although I do have one or two gripes with it. (Like giving loyalists 6xp and rebels 4xp. Why not just give loyalists 2xp and rebels 0?)
Two reasons:Quote:
Originally Posted by FactionHeir
(1) It raises morale across the board, helping to model some of the generals' traits;
(2) More importantly, because 4xp and 6xp give the same +2 bonus to attack and defence stats, so the only difference is a bigger morale boost to loyalists. With 0 and 2xp, the loyalists would get a +1 to attack and defence that rebels don't get. The generals' traits affect morale, not attack and defence stats.
The real trouble with AI sieges is that quite often even if the player is determined not to exploit the AI, the AI puts itself in a situation that exploits itself. For example, you can't sally any units out of the gates because if they rout and get caught between the closed gates and a ram, the ram is then stuck and the gates are secure (The AI won't send infantry to clean up, and can't position them to catch the routers stuck in the gatehouse anyway). Of course the only smart thing to do against a ram (Or artillery) is sally, so you're stuck being a stupid player or abusing a stupid AI.
Similarly the AI will never, in my experience, move ladders or bring towers inside the walls, so after the first level of the citadel you don't need to defend the walls at all. Just park your archers up there and burn the rams. Also the reinforcement army most of the time won't show any of the smart patience of the first army, they'll either sit way back and do nothing or pour in en masse as soon as the first gates fall. So you end up with an immense, confused mass of troops that block each other and get torn up by towers.
Quite frankly even if you avoid the most obvious abuses it's hard for me to imagine a player losing a fortress siege, much less a citadel, almost without regard to troop numbers, as long as the timer is on. I suppose if the AI managed to build and man three rams you'd wind up short on fire arrows, but by the time the third one moves in the streets are usually clogged up enough that it spends twenty minutes wandering around trying to reach the gates (Pathing in citadels is, uhmm, interesting. See the funny screenshots thread.).
I came close once with a fortress defended by two companies of peasant archers and two of levy spearmen against a double Mongol stack, but they only had two rams and I burned the second one just as it reached the inner gate. Siege over.
:egypt: (Sorry to write a whole article, the siege AI just bugs me that much)
Quite true. I have dedicated some 4 or 5 very long posts in the buglist on the siege AI too.
*gulp* I have never played M2TW on anything more than Medium difficulty :sweatdrop:Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
Dutch_Guy: when/if they do assault would you like me to keep Tancred out of combat and withdraw him if the battle looks lost?
I think the loss was a combination of Archer/cav inferiority, and A chivalrous general. (and a little incompetence on my behalf)
I placed my merc xbowmen, peasant archers, Dismounted Imperial Knights, spearmen, halbred, my half unit of Feudal knights and General's BG on the high ground to the North. Hoping to get their line to turn so I could hit it with everything else from behind. Everything else being 2 FK's, 4 DFK's and my Pavise xbowmen who were hiddden in the thick woods on the south and west part of the map.
Well, my 'bait' force got pounded by their archers and had a tough slog against the Varangian Guard routing after a very short amount of time, meanwhile their cataphraks ran wide right into my hidden units, seeing my bait force almost dissolved and the enemy general still not exposed, I used the hidden knights to screen the withdrawl of the DKFs, GBG, and PXBowmen.
About this time the town milita units started showing up, Given that they were dead either way, I ran them up to the high ground, and using a funnel type rock formation did as much damage to the Byzantines as I could, they held well for exhausted local militia.
All prisoners were released, the little animated man died on milan and they are besieging an empty city. I disbanded a unit of 2 halbred, and a unit of 3 merc crossbowmen.
I could have probably killed more of them if I put everything on the high ground, but my losses substantially higher, as my 'withdraw path' went right through thier line. Also I dreaded general would have been an asset, as winning this battle by attrition wouldn't (doesn't?) work.
I was unable to resist the temptation to play this battle, having read about it and posted what I did. There's a very serious problem with it (The AI has no possibility of victory); to avoid spoiling anyone is it okay for me to PM Tincow the details?
:egypt:
Since TC isn't fighting it and he is GMing, I don't think he would mind knowing about it (I can even guess what it is). Whether he does something about it or not is another matter of course.
Oh, if they are still besieging an empty city, you can actually move units inside to fill up the garrison before ending turn, you know?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuperman
Oh, I didn't know that.
I was actually trying to say, that Milan isn't lost yet. You can move a unit inside to draw out the siege :yes:
Should I have done that instead? move myself into my addopted Duchy? can the rebel stack in Genoa region be respawned. Had I known I would have, it seems like the most Fredericus-ish thing to do, but if it will cause headaches or consistancy issues, don't worry about it.
I would effectively be dead then wouldn't I though. unless that army is defeatable in that composition hmmm... I don't want freddy to die, but I do want the siege drawn out.
You could have someone else move a unit there or send a cavalry unit (which still has MP) inside. Any one unit will do. Can only move in 1 stack (regardless of how many units) though.
Okay, PM away. Hope I didn't set a bad precedent by goofing off to play interesting looking battles on the side. :no:
:egypt:
I just checked and FH is right. You can move an army into Milan even though it is besieged. I may consider doing that with Lothar himself. From a RP standpoint, the battle against the Byzantines was fought in the field, which would have temporarily left the back door to the city open. An army could have slipped through in that time. I just need to decide if I want to risk Lothar's death, since there's no escape from a siege. A city wall is far less defensible than a citadel...
I thought I fought the first full gold stack?Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=175
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