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Running out of time - this HS period's almost over.
First exchange (he cleared the messages after every one of my replies):
Second:Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
Third:Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
My guess is he needs a Wiseguy PM.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
i sent it to four...
sasaki got it... he knows...
those with clear concience can still save the town...
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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief
I don't need an innocent role pm... ive already got one... my own...
I guess it was joke wasnt it? :inquisitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stranger
? how do you mean?
Gah! I think we should lynch The Stranger just for spamming continuously.
Gah! 8 hours asleep and 4-5 pages???
Everyone who is abstaining, please reconsider. We can lynch two or more people at a time with the directors permission.
I'm not asking to hop on a bandwagon; Glenn is already lynched, but look at the gaining suspicion of The Stranger. I can see im not the only one to get a suspicious, or threatening post.
Also, Glenn, stop spamming its rather annoying to see 80% of the posts in the past few pages you talking about "don't forget!" and you giving us your excercise routines...
unvote: vote: Pevergreen
@ Stranger
was it you who investigated him?
I don' think so. Perhaps Glenn. That would explain some stuff...Quote:
Originally Posted by Charge
Anyhow I've come to new suspicions... Andres and Pevergreen are pretty damn suspicious. Andres for, among, a special reason - Moros knows, and I'm not allowed to reveal. I still think The_Strange isn't 100% normal townie either, nor is Glenn... yet, I don't think they'd be the wisest choices for lynching.
btw, Sasaki said somewhere that my susicion of a certain don was based only the fact that he was protected? Well, think of it... I was in the protection group, so isn't it logic that I know more than the average player?
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you all should be getting double or triple lynches! team together slightly more, to win!
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Originally Posted by Pannonian
His response.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ichigo
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Originally Posted by The Stranger
Pever's posting of the PMs is accurate. There were two minor ones, he asked me to post whatever of the role PM wasn't red, so I sent it to him, and now post it here,
Everything else is red.Quote:
And now it starts to get weird…
Not a joke, this is your:
We did not know each other at the begining. We were given code. Glenn has been broadcasting his code this whole time. I came late and found it. We're still broadcasting to find our third. I can't say much, but our role gives us better odds of surviving attack.Quote:
The most suspicious thing is that they are first part of a group, and then JimBob claims that they would like to create a group. I don't know about letting the two of them knowing each other AND giving them special doctoring powers. It seems strange. Perhaps only one of them has a special thing. I am also interested as to what these special powers would do, because as far as I know 3 townies together won't fail.
You sure? He's added some strange stuff before. You're not in Seamus's head so you really can't say what he would or would not do.Quote:
-Seamus wouldn't add a 3 person special role with a critical ability. Also, vigilantes don't save lives.
We have a signal. It'll sound like nonsense to everyone else.Quote:
In addition to the points already made, if Glenn and jimbob's PMs are entirely in red, how are they to find the last part of the troika? How is one supposed to establish contact if the means of contact is disallowed? I find the claim hard to believe.
Do we really seem that stupid? If we were lying we'd make something useful up. I realize this seems ridiculous, and it's hard to believe. I just don't have anything else to say, it's the truth.Quote:
The "our entire role pm was in red" claim seems like a very poor attempt at a fake reveal. They are lying.
I can't (the curse of the red lettering).Quote:
Jimbob, in your pm to pevergreen you say that no Luca protected Glenn. Can you tell us then, who did protect Glenn last night? Was it you?
Glenn's having fun while waiting to be lynched. I can tell you you're doing the town no favor. By lynching him you will only help to crown the mafia. If you choose to lynch Glenn, wait for his post mortem to come back. Then lynch me if he is mafia. I will participate with town protection groups in the intervening nights to assure that I will not kill as a mafia member.Quote:
ARE we doing the town a bear service of lynching Glenn? Or could it be Glenn is trying to drown this connection to JimBob?
Answers would be appreciated as there is time enough to change the votes.
Let the axe fall not on the town but on the necks of the mafia. Let the blade rise up to strike them all down with fury. May they not be crowned lords of Fatlington.
Sorry for being such a turn ass - just had an msn conversation.
Remember btw, in two days you'll get your proof that I was really detective... please, draw your conclusions about me after that.
* Lynchees: Sigurd, Andres, Pevergreen. Bad guys.
Glenn is arguable. Very suspicious but might be pro-town.. he'll die now anyway, it's too late.
I think the_stanger is innocent after all.
another edit: let's turn that *ss once again! Glenn is innocent! once again, you'll get your proof of my pro-townness in two days... you can wait the two days. Don't lynch glenn, he is innocent!
I don't find this fragment believable at all. Not Seamus's writing style.Quote:
And now it starts to get weird…
Not a joke, this is your:
Then let's wait for a couple of days then, to see what Drisos comes out as. I've had my suspicions of pevergreen, from his unwieldy group of 13 to his attempted cultivating of me, to a recent PM asking me what he should do now as everyone has turned against him. It's almost as though he's trying to play on past connections to strike up some kind of partnership. Others may have their own views on him, but those are my interactions with him that I've found suspicious.
Glenn has been behaving in a very lively way, but not exactly behaving consistently as we might expect mafiosi, especially new players, to do. IMHO this is more reminiscent of a noob given a townie role, as per Banquo in M4 (5?), and getting carried away with it. Since jimbob is willing to vouch for him, one way of neutralising him may be to lock both of them into protection groups, who can report on whether or not the actions were successfully carried out during the night. There are other lines to be pursued, that don't quite have the same consequence for the town as they claim, so we might as well do that until Drisos' post-mortem comes up and we can decide on whether or not to lynch Sigurd.
I suggest people take their votes off Glenn, and put it on pever instead as the next best candidate, and moreover one who doesn't have qute the same power role as those two claim. Also, any detectives reading this should investigate them both, and report to someone whom they trust.
Unvote: Beefy
Vote: pevergreen
Can someone post the tallies? It's been a while. Also, when tallies are posted, could you put "CapoTally" before them, so they're easier to search for?
ok 4 peplz so far claims to be detective .....
not sure if they are or not, until more info comes into play...
but heck.. if he mafioso can lynch him later, if town that would be stupid, so
Unvote: abstain
Vote: pevergreen
If you got the claims via PM, you can always post the investigation results here and wait for the targets to answer for themselves. If the claims were public, could you list them and link to the posts where they made their claims? The only one I'm aware of is Drisos.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charge
all was through pm, no clear 'investigation results' was claimed so not posting any perhaps wrong accusations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pannonian
Also I'm not going to identify even 'false-cops' in thread (to help mafia?)
Waiting for Drisos' official role-revealing too mainly.
If you reveal the false detectives, how would it help the mafia? Are you withholding infomation? Cos you are the MAFIA? :inquisitive:
I agree, I think that Seamus would be putting something more into it, and I am not even sure if he would write anything at all, perhaps preferring to keep it within the confines of the red itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
I am interested in what JimBob means by "broadcasting his signal" - could you expand on this?
A couple of other posts that caught my eye:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=546
Can we get someone to translate this?
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=567
I agree with TruePraetorian here. We still have over 4 hours by my count, plenty of time to even up the vote. What is the current count? But perhaps most crucially of all is The_Stranger's next post:
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=568
He gives no reason and this comes the very post after TruePraetorian suggests lynching multiple people. Perhaps TS realises he would be one of the ones whose head is on the line and tries to get someone else down with him. Then again, TS has always been very erratic, so we can't really know.
Glenn is clearly a don, and Jimbob is either the made or the luca of his mafia. Lynch Glenn today and Jimbob tomorrow - if the other mafias don't kill him off. Is the final member GH?
The Stranger seems scummy. But since he's a big of a threat to the town even when he's innocent (ie completely getting duped by Sasaki in Capo I and intentionally sabotaging the town in a different game).
Sigurd seems suspicious. Moros does a bit as well, when he says he doesn't find Glenn or TS suspicious.
Pevergreen makes me wary, but I don't think he deserves a lynch yet.
CR
Just post the results here and let the accusations speak for themselves. With a game of this size, any leads are good. Even false leads are good, for they give us something to chew on. Eg. Generalhankerchief's early reveal in the first Capo gave us clues, both in its randomness and what it didn't say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charge
I think he means that identifying false detectives will also reveal the true detectives to the mafia - the mafia stereotypically then hunt down the real detectives before they get rumbled by them.Quote:
Originally Posted by shlin28
On another note, I'm still yet to hear from GH - anything to say about your previous overtly obsessive/aggressive defence of yourself and Glenn. I must say that it all sounds very scummy and mafia like to me.
23 Glenn(kamikhaan,xehh2,Ichigo,Sigurd,Sasaki,Big King Sanctaphrax,Kagemusha, Sarathos,husar, beefy, elite ferret, glenn Hannibalbarc,pevergreen,Lt. Pinard,Brave Sir Robin,Xiahou,, Joe Monks, Kukri, Count Arach,Crazed Rabbit,Tiberius of the Drake)
6 pevergreen(tincow,LittleGrizzly zorg, sarathos charge, pann stranger)
1 Beefy(shlin)
1 CountArach(GH)
1 norwegian nerd(omanes)
2 sigurd(prole, andres)
6 The Stranger (Craterus, True Praetorian,scottishranger,Rythmic, myrdraal, GH)
1 abstain (norwegian nerd)
1 molonthegreat (Tran)
1 GH (Omanes)
old tally
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...&postcount=437
abstain kommodus, alexanderptg, jimbob, johnsomething, moros, chimpyang, haudegen
Okay just got through about 200 posts.
From what I can see, Glenn is dead already since so many people just bandwagoned on. I would be more sure that at least a significant portion of those bandwagoned on Glenn is scummy than he is. The Jimbob thing, though does suggest that Glenn is scummy, but who knows, they may be a vigilante/special group.
As for pevergreen, his actions are a bit suspicious for keeping everyone in the dark, but his actions are consistent with what a wise guy might want to do to get established towards the mafia side.
I for now would justVote Abstain
Also, btw, my computer has had an issue yesterday and I will attempt to fix it tonight, but I am currently using a comp that I can't necessarily access often and so I might not be able to participate that much
Tally:
Glenn:(everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody)
Using Google-translate.Quote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
Kommo is director, heeft geen bescherming nodig...
Kommo is director does not need protection ...
Sigurd Fafnesbane is misschien ook een goeie optie. K zou het graag vandaag nog weten
Sigurd Fafnesbane also could be a good option. K would like to know today
I still believe that The Stranger is the one most deserving of a lynch right now. His erratic playing style, his agressive posts and pms lead me to believe that at the very least he does not have the interests of the town at heart. What I don't get is how The Stranger is claiming he can investigate and kill people on the same turn. He already said he was a wise guy, now all of a sudden he is some special role?
pfff you do not know what you are talking about... im the one who is at this point prolly trying the hardest to save the town... and im even putting my life at stake for it.
TS is an irritating little so-so, but those of us who've played with him before have got used to it. He's going to be lynched at some point for being an irritating little so-so, but while there are better targets we might as well look at those others.Quote:
Originally Posted by scottishranger
It might behove TS to remember there are some of us who have specific problems with your playing style, who might yet start a campaign against you. So don't even think about teamkills in the early game unless you want me on your back (Capo 1), and don't play randomly unless you want Sasaki at your throat (Kung Fu Mafia).
I do not know what I am talking about? How actually showing us some evidence that you are not as guilty as all the posts about you have shown eh? And how are you trying to save the town? You have done nothing to help it so far, least of all putting your life at stake.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stranger
i swear i will behave
Vote:Abstain
We'll see were this Glenn issue ends up after the investigation I guess. JimBob's covering is odd (pulling out his neck in that way), but he'll need to stay alive until after the investigation for certain.
Few things I've haven't seen commented much on yet.
The townie group that attacked Glenn? Any ideas about whom and why? My guess on the why is something with someone's red text as townie attacks at this point is going to be bad for the town. Or mafia infiltration.
The inactive mafia? Only 1 or 2 moves, from 5 families. What are the rest doing? Infiltrating protection groups or claiming to be detectives (both for later intel and/or deception)?
Charge, you could post them nameless until some of the "detectives" start to show wrongful data. Even mades claiming to be detectives can be useful in eliminating 4 of the families, but they need to be uncovered after that or they'll destroy the town.
agreeing with Pannonian's feelings about pevergreen, I was suspicious before, but much more so now
vote: pevergreen
keep the tally plz
OMG this game is way over my head. I voted for Glenn because it seemed right at the time. Now I doubt myself more and more. Too many different things happening and ppl accusing this person and that.
We seem to point the figure at anyone that defends themselves or sticks their neck out. What about the people that are first to jump on bringing those people down.
idk:huh2:
idk
idk:huh2:
So confused~:confused:
:drama3:
23 Glenn(kamikhaan,xehh2,Ichigo,Sigurd,Sasaki,Big King Sanctaphrax,Kagemusha, Sarathos,husar, beefy, elite ferret, glenn Hannibalbarc,pevergreen,Lt. Pinard,Brave Sir Robin,Xiahou,, Joe Monks, Kukri, Count Arach,Crazed Rabbit,Tiberius of the Drake)
8 pevergreen(tincow,LittleGrizzly zorg, sarathos, charge, pann, stranger, mak)
1 Beefy(shlin)
1 CountArach(GH)
1 norwegian nerd(omanes)
2 sigurd(prole, andres)
6 The Stranger (Craterus, True Praetorian,scottishranger,Rythmic, myrdraal, GH)
1 abstain (norwegian nerd)
1 molonthegreat (Tran)
1 GH (Omanes)
sorry updated tally - think pever line had miscount before please check
On what grounds? You've got two lines.Quote:
I don't find this fragment believable at all. Not Seamus's writing style.
We have code words we try to work into our posts. Simple as that.Quote:
I am interested in what JimBob means by "broadcasting his signal" - could you expand on this?
There is more. It's all in RED.Quote:
I agree, I think that Seamus would be putting something more into it, and I am not even sure if he would write anything at all, perhaps preferring to keep it within the confines of the red itself.
I think Pannonian has a good plan. Tie Glen and I up in protection groups for the next few nights. That way we won't be able to do anything bad. You can investigate the ever-loving hell out of us. I swear we will come up on the town's side.
unvote: Abstain
Vote: No Lynch
Hmm...code words you say....I would trawl through all of your posts trying to string together what they may be. I assume that is the only broad communication, but then again, more pressing issues of real life call :furious3:
And how on earth is that wasted vote going to help your mate Glenn? Is this another part of your red text, that you must vote in order to get rid of each other? You're willing to speak up for each other, but you're not willing to vote for his nearest rival. Weird.
Last game dons showed up as innocent.
Ha! No one would know if you really did it unless the target was attacked.Quote:
Tie Glen and I up in protection groups for the next few nights. That way we won't be able to do anything bad.
You're just tying to buy time.
CR
So far you said that there are three of you, that glenn is one, that you are a vigilante type group, that you have a life saving ability, and that you can communicate with code words. If all of that was in red how are you allowed to tell us?Quote:
We have code words we try to work into our posts. Simple as that. There is more. It's all in RED.
Yes, two lines that are very informal when all of Seamus's role pm's are very formal.Quote:
On what grounds? You've got two lines.
"Kommodus is director. He doesn't need protection. Sigurd might be a good option. I'd like to make a decision today"Quote:
Originally Posted by Pannonian
With the last sentence I was referring to the fact that nobody but me suggested someone to protect and I was getting annoyed at the indecisiveness of my companions.
At first, I suggested to protect Louis or Prole. Both did very well in Capo I and if they were town, they would be valuable enough to keep alive. TS immediately called it suspicous that I wanted to protect one of those, but didn't come up with a suggestion himself :shrug:
Afterwards I got contacted by Zorg who said he had information about pevergreen but he was afraid to get killed by one of pevergreens' squads.
When I suggested to protect Zorg, TS insisted on blackmailing Zorg, forcing him to share everything he had, including role pm. I politely asked Zorg if he wanted to share some info. He told me some things about pevergreen, but I wasn't willing to share it with TS. So, TS didn't want so protect Zorg.
Then I suggested Sigurd, who had proven to be an outstanding townie mastermind in past games.
And Sigurd it became. No objections from TS.
Voilà, my pm exchanges with TS in a nutshell.
What did Zorg say about pevergreen Andres? Is there anything that might be important to the case against/for him?
Originally I was a little in doubt over The Stranger's status, but now my judgement is more and more leaning in the "pro-mafia" direction. Something about his double posting and behind the scenes methods makes him sound like a fairly desperate and erratic mafioso, trying to find excuses to prevent his group from doing what he doesn't wish them to do and attempting to manipulate others into revealing valuable information. He's a very dodgy player to say the least, and possibly should be lynched when the next opportunity is available.
Drisos's post-mortem tells us nothing about sigurd. If he's guilty Sigurd could still be guilty, if he's innocent sigurd could be innocent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pannonian
I don't see how you think glenn/jimbob's claim is in anyway believable. Also, glenn seems like a don from the write up and would therefore appear innocent, and pevergreen is a claimed wise guy (I believe him) and so investigating him is pointless as well. The detectives can't actually trust anyone completely. So basically you are asking the detectives to make two pointless investigations and then reveal themselves. Not a fan of this.Quote:
I suggest people take their votes off Glenn, and put it on pever instead as the next best candidate, and moreover one who doesn't have qute the same power role as those two claim. Also, any detectives reading this should investigate them both, and report to someone whom they trust.
Pever is pretty much confirmed as "not mafia" with his claim of wise guy. He's not trustworthy sure, but certainly not lynchworthy. What do you mean by his attempt of "cultivating" you?Quote:
Unvote: Beefy
Vote: pevergreen
I've had my suspicions of pevergreen, from his unwieldy group of 13 to his attempted cultivating of me, to a recent PM asking me what he should do now as everyone has turned against him. It's almost as though he's trying to play on past connections to strike up some kind of partnership. Others may have their own views on him, but those are my interactions with him that I've found suspicious.
im not attacking you... im just saying that it is lied that i said protect sigurd.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
i believe the claim of glenn and jimbob
My pm exchange with Zorg:
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Someone said earlier that the PMed results of an unsuccessful protection said that the group wasn't acting in parallel, so this could be used to detect non-compliant night actions. Also, the point about jimbob and Glenn speaking up for each other is that, if they were a Mafia family, only one of them can be a Don, while the other would be a Made of some sort. I'm not sure how the rules went last time, but weren't Mades unable to perform townie duties?Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
At the very least, locking them both in protection groups will prevent them from scum activity indefinitely, until we've run out of other suspects. Since we've got one definite suspect pending Drisos' report (Sigurd), we might as well mark time until then. I've not seen pevergreen offer any kind of satisfactory defence to the various suspicions of him, with the most favourable assessment being that he's a Wise Guy looking for approval from a Mafia family, so he's a low-risk, low-cost target for lynching while we wait for further information.
Tally is incorrect.
I switched my vote to TS some time ago.
I think this is more detailed :sweatdrop:
22 Glenn (kamikhaan,xehh2,Ichigo,Sigurd,Sasaki,Big King Sanctaphrax,Kagemusha,husar, beefy, elite ferret, glenn, Hannibalbarc,pevergreen,Lt. Pinard,Brave Sir Robin,Xiahou,Joe Monks, Kukri, Count Arach,Crazed Rabbit,Tiberius, twiligtblade)
9 pevergreen (tincow,LittleGrizzly, zorg, sarathos, charge, pann, stranger, mak, JimBob)
6 The Stranger (Craterus, True Praetorian,scottishranger,Rythmic, Myrddraal, GH)
3 Sigurd (prole, andres, woad)
1 Beefy (shlin)
1 molonthegreat (Tran)
1 GH (Omanes)
9 abstain (norwegian nerd, NN, cowhead, AtPG, johnhught., moros, chimpyang, haudegen, ironside)
seems ok?
He made a definite claim as detective. The post mortem reveals, not just innocence or guilt, but the role. He also made a definite claim that Sigurd is a Don. I don't know how he got the info, but if he's stuck his (deceased) neck out for this, it should be worth testing his other claim. Sure, we might end up lynching a townie, but if Drisos is correct, we might end up lynching a Don. As I've said, I have my doubts about his claim, simply because it's technically not allowable, but that's a scenario we should bear in mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
I never asked the detectives to publicly reveal themselves, only to someone whom they trusted. Detectives who trust no-one with their information are practically useless anyway, as they're effectively meat waiting for their turn. If either of them turn up as criminal, that will blow their story and we can lynch them both.Quote:
I don't see how you think glenn/jimbob's claim is in anyway believable. Also, glenn seems like a don from the write up and would therefore appear innocent, and pevergreen is a claimed wise guy (I believe him) and so investigating him is pointless as well. The detectives can't actually trust anyone completely. So basically you are asking the detectives to make two pointless investigations and then reveal themselves. Not a fan of this.
Trying to strike up links, talking in a suspiciously friendly manner about past games, etc. This might sound innocuous enough as described, but something triggered my scumometer.Quote:
Pever is pretty much confirmed as "not mafia" with his claim of wise guy. He's not trustworthy sure, but certainly not lynchworthy. What do you mean by his attempt of "cultivating" you?
If their claim is correct, then we lose a lot by lynching Glenn. If their claim is flase, we can still do something useful in the meanwhile by lynching pevergreen, while checking out their story and also insuring against losses by putting them both in protection groups. If they're what they claim to be, then we have something to gain by this latter course. If they're not what they claim to be, then we can still lynch them with but a little delay, and we won't have lost anything. Think about it, if Glenn and jimbob are part of a family, at least one of them will show up as criminal, and we can lynch them both then (with a double lynching if possible).
Host's Tally
Glenn = 23 (Beefy17, Big King Sanctaphrax, Brave Sir Robin, CountArach, Crazed Rabbit, Elite Ferret, Glenn, Hannibalbarc, Husar, Ichigo, Joe Monks, Kagemusha, Kamikhaan, Kukrikhan, Lt. Pinard, Moros, pevergreen, Sasaki Kojiro, Sigurd Fafnesbane, Tiberius of the Drake, Twilightblade, Xehh II, & Xiahou)
Abstain = 11 (Alexander the Pretty Good, Charge, Chimpyang, Cowhead418, Haudegan, Ironside, JimBob, johnhughthom, norwegian nerd, Northnovas, Xdeathfire)
Pevergreen = 7 (LittleGrizzly, Makayane, Pannonian, Sarathos, The Stranger, TinCow, Zorg)
The Stranger = 6 (Craterus, GeneralHankerchief, Myrddraal, Rythmic, scottishranger, TruePraetorian)
Sigurd Fafnesbane = 3 (Andres, Proletariat, woad&fangs)
Singles = 3 [GeneralHankerchief (Omanes Alexandrapolites), Beefy187 (Shlin28), molonthegreat (Tran)].
Not Voting = 25 (ajaxfetish, Caeser the III, Caius, Draco Leman, Dutch_guy, Evil_Maniac from Mars, FactionHeir, Fahad I, gibsonsg91921, Hiji, Jubal_Barca, Killfr3nzy, Kommodus {not allowed}, Leet Erikson, Lord Winter, Louis VI the Fat, molonthegreat, Motep, Roadkill, Rob_the_Celt, sapi, taka, Warluster, Warmaster Horus, x-dANGEr)
Dead = 1 (Drisos)
Notify if corrections are required. Deadline is 2300 EST
I was hoping reason would break out and I wouldn't have to sacrafice some two-bit wiseguy. Unfortunately it seems the mafia's dogs are angry today.Quote:
And how on earth is that wasted vote going to help your mate Glenn? Is this another part of your red text, that you must vote in order to get rid of each other? You're willing to speak up for each other, but you're not willing to vote for his nearest rival. Weird.
Sorry Pever, for the common good and all
unvote:No Lynch
Vote:Pevergreen
There's two of us, if neither or both of us show up as innocent then obviously you've not found what you're looking for.Quote:
Last game dons showed up as innocent.
It's a very vague description. The only details are the number and Glenn's identity (which I need to tell you. The nature of the vigilante group you don't know. There are a number of rules concerning how we can act at night, we have very strange win conditions, and you don't know the code or what it means. This is all a vague summary, if it is in violation, I apologize. I hoped I'd be able to give these small little tidbits.Quote:
So far you said that there are three of you, that glenn is one, that you are a vigilante type group, that you have a life saving ability, and that you can communicate with code words. If all of that was in red how are you allowed to tell us?
VOTE TALLY
22 Glenn (kamikhaan,xehh2,Ichigo,Sigurd,Sasaki,Big King Sanctaphrax,Kagemusha,husar, beefy, elite ferret, glenn Hannibalbarc,pevergreen,Lt. Pinard,Brave Sir Robin,Xiahou,Joe Monks, Kukri, Count Arach,Crazed Rabbit,Tiberius, twiligtblade)
9 pevergreen (tincow,LittleGrizzly, zorg, sarathos, charge, pann, stranger, mak, JimBob)
6 The Stranger (Craterus, True Praetorian,scottishranger,Rythmic, Myrddraal, GH)
3 Sigurd (prole, andres, woad)
1 Beefy (shlin)
1 molonthegreat (Tran)
1 GH (Omanes)
Glenn, unvote yourself, seriously.
And Sasaki, what kind of Don votes for themselves to be lynched?
err I voted pevergreen, and I think moros voted abstain
He already had 15-20 votes.Quote:
what kind of Don votes for themselves to be lynched?
Glenn looks suspicious. With my mind, I think he may be guilty. But by sheer gut instinct, and from 'sniffing' the tone of his posts, he doesn't seem mafia at all.
And JimBob's story is simply so ridiculous that I am inclined to believe it. It is all way too innocent to be mafia.
I, for one, won't be jumping on the Glenn bandwagon. I want to find out more. Plus, he amuses me by speaking of Woad&Fangs in the plural.
Pevergreen I think is a liability. His acts are pro-town, his mind is lusting with power.
Vote: Pevergreen.
VOTE TALLY
22 Glenn (kamikhaan,xehh2,Ichigo,Sigurd,Sasaki,Big King Sanctaphrax,Kagemusha,husar, beefy, elite ferret, glenn Hannibalbarc,pevergreen,Lt. Pinard,Brave Sir Robin,Xiahou,Joe Monks, Kukri, Count Arach,Crazed Rabbit,Tiberius, twiligtblade)
10 pevergreen (Louis Vi the Fat, tincow,LittleGrizzly, zorg, sarathos, charge, pann, stranger, mak, JimBob)
6 The Stranger (Craterus, True Praetorian,scottishranger,Rythmic, Myrddraal, GH)
3 Sigurd (prole, andres, woad)
1 Beefy (shlin)
1 molonthegreat (Tran)
1 GH (Omanes)
I'd like to point out that in Cosa Nuova II, Hughtower came up with an incredibly absurd role that Seamus used to 'reveal' with, whereupon he was some sort of voodoo doctor. Of course, Seamus was guilty as all hell, but the lie was so absurd that people, for a while, believed him. My point is, just because a story is very absurd or unusual doesn't exclude it from being true.
As for The Stranger, for anyone who hasn't played with him, he's not really that far off from his usual (and quite bizarre) posting style. I'm not quite inclined to lynch him on that basis.
I think next we should be lynching Pevergreen. I don't trust the fact that he's using the system to his own benefit, it seems far too power hungry for my likes.
I think we wait until we find out about Drisos' role from the Gendarmerie before lynching Sigurd . If innocent, Sigurd is an incredibly useful tool for the town.
Oops, nearly forgot to reply to this. Sasaki asked for an answer to it as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by shlin28
Err, I posted it, on page one, post 13, directly after the game began. Somebody sugested that 'We might as well give a new player the full Capo experience'. Which I promptly did. It's one of several posts I wrote to bid new players a warm welcome to the wonderful world of .org mafia.
It needs to be entirely disregarded. Sorry for that. Thanks for remembering it though, Shlin. That is a sign of a keen mind. Unlike mine then, forever given more to inserting only half-funny comments everywhere where people will put up with me.
Personally I think it would be a waste of a lynch to lynch pever, an absolute waste, if we know he's a wise guy we can keep an eye on him. He's not a priority lynch, if he gets bandwagoned next round it won't help the town, it'll only help a whole lot of Mafioso to go unnoticed for another round.
It's not a waste if we use the time to check out Glenn and jimbob's stories. They claim to have powerful pro-town roles, they vouch for each other. If they're not pro-town after all, then only one of them can check out as innocent when investigated. So we have a sure way of checking their stories. Given the potential gain, and the fact that we can minimise our losses regarding them, we should give them a couple of turns to prove their innocence, while we look for other candidates.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rythmic
As townies significantly outnumber mafiosi, even if we lynch a townie by mistake, it would not be too harmful for the town's cause, as long as we generate enough discussion in the meantime for later scrutiny. Then look at pevergreen. At best, he's a wise guy who's looking to align himself with scum, according to most people's assessments. At worst, he's scum himself. Either way, he's no great loss, and his survival represents no great potential gain for the town, as few are prepared to trust him now anyway after his shenanigans last night.
Sacrifice pever now so we can check Glenn and jimbob's stories. We can always lynch those two afterwards if we find out they're lying. There's not much to lose by giving them a reprieve, while if they're telling the truth, there's something to gain.
Again, please note we can lynch two or more people at a time. If we gather enough votes, we can get kommodus or whoever the director is to lynch both of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by kamikhaan
Can people quote properly so their posts are easily readable? The tags follow standard html rules, closing with a slash-tag.
Unvote: Sigurd ; Vote: Pevergreen
I want a double lynch.
Well, the code words that Glenn and Jimbob are referring to are clearly: AXE, BLADE, and CROWN.
Why? I don't know. If somebody is really keen, they could check to see wether these words started appearing in their posts before the were accused. If they don't, then it might suggest they're making it up. If they do, then it might suggest they're telling the truth.
They've certainly sown the seed of doubt in my mind.
My opinion is that pevergreen is certainly not pro-town. Perhaps he's a wise-guy, as he claims, but if so, why did he choose to join the killing group and not the protection group. If he's not mafia already, it seems to me he had the intention of becoming one.
Also, part of my suspicion of The_Stranger was based on the fact that he chose the protection targets, and did not participate in the protection. It seems I was wrong on both counts, so I'm less suspicious of TS.
So because my doubt about the guilt of Glenn and Jimbob has increased, and my suspicion of TS has decreased, and because Pever is the only person who seems to be anywhere close to Glenn in vote count, I:
Unvote: The_Stranger, Vote: Pevergreen
I hope that made sense, I've had a drink or two...
EDIT: Changed oppinion to opinion, and bolded the code words.
vote: abstain
Too many arguments to follow.
Mentions of words, if the search function is working fully.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myrddraal
Post #63
Post #457Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
Post #488Quote:
Originally Posted by jimbob
Post #572Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
Get those votes off Glenn and onto pever.Quote:
Originally Posted by jimbob
So many posts.... How can I read all this.... :no:
I checked, the first use is post 488 after JimBob's pm's have been revealed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myrddraal
If in doubt, vote pevergreen.
With your eyes perhaps?Quote:
Originally Posted by RoadKill
Has anyone else been using those words at all? I'm still sceptical, because Glenn certainly seems scummy and I don't think that this new stuff absolves him, however for now I think it is best if we try to tie up Glenn and pever so we can lynch both of them.
Unvote: Glenn
Vote: pever
First use was post #63 actually, way back at the start of the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Come on people! The case is solved. Thanks Myrddraal and Pannonian. Brilliant. :bow:
Glenn = mighty pro-town. We all know it.
Kill Pevergreen while we have the chance.
Edit to add: No, we don't know if Glenn is pro-town. But I think we should make the effort to find out.
JimBob and Glenn, were you using those 2 instances pann pointed out to communicate?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pannonian
It might also be useful to know which post it was that gave away that the two of you were connected. You don't have to give away what is in the red to give us a post number.
Unvote: The Stranger
Vote: pevergreen
I've heard just about enough here.
Can't say I believe Glenn and Jimbob's story in the slightest. However the mention of banquo in mafia IV strikes a nerve. I'll unvote:Glenn, Vote:Pevergreen. Someone can investigate Jimbob and we'll follow pann's plan.
Btw Jimbob and Glenn, what's your story as to how glenn survived the killing group?
Given that it was jimbob's infrequency of reading the thread that got Glenn into this mess in the first place, and lynching time is 3 hours hence, it is unlikely that they'll answer the questions in time to satisfy you. So I'll present the evidence instead.
In post #572, jimbob explained:
Does this fit the evidence? A look back at post #63, way back on day 1, and Glenn was spouting this strange bit of garble.Quote:
Originally Posted by jimbob
Quite some time later, on day 2 and in post #457, jimbob makes his first appearance in the thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
Their story checks out thus far. Let's give ourselves some time to check out the other details, and lynch pever in the meantime.Quote:
Originally Posted by jimbob
Sorry for being anal, but the Banquo thing was Mafia V.
Mafia IV was the one that ended after 3 rounds. FWIW, Reenk Roink was Detective in that one.
Back to your regularly scheduled drama.
Hmm, pevergreen is not a 100% good lynch. IMO he's just a better lynch option than Glenn at the moment, and he's the one with the most votes apart from him. So it's hardly a case of lynching him 'while we have the chance'... :inquisitive:Quote:
Glenn = mighty pro-town. We all know it.
Kill Pevergreen while we have the chance.