Star Wars: Fall of the Order [Concluded]

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Originally Posted by Diamondeye

I don't know for sure whether there's a case there.
When was the Ataru sith kill? Which apprentice was alive by then? Did that apprentice master Ataru? Did that apprentice have two red blades on any other occassion?
It might be that the reason it has not reared its head again is simply that the Sith Ataru is dead, although it might also be the Sith master, in which case Psychonaut is a fabulous lynch.


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:laugh4:.. and I actually decided to check it. Yes I think we can say with a decent certainty that the sith using two lightsabers at the same time is the sith master. Reasons: The attack happens on the third night. Here the sith lords uses two red lightsabers and the sith apprentice uses a crimson red lightsaber and form Djem So.

Then there is a time where only the sith with the crimson red lightsaber fights and the sith lord is nowhere imo.

Second time both sith attack imo, is when one of them uses force choke to kill his enemy (sith lord imo) , and the other ignites one part of his crimson red lightsaber. then he ignites the other half and he now wields a double bladed lightsaber and fights in form VII.

Thid time, is the death of Ironside. Here ironside fights with a mangeta lightsaber and in form VII . The sith lord shows up to watch the show. The Magneta lightsaber is being destroyed and so the apprentice uses force choke and ignites a double bladed red saber. An-Wan Dyas kills the sith apprentice and he is ironside.

These are basically the lightsaber bits we have to work with. The only flaw I can see is that ATPG descripes Ironsides lightsaber as 'red' in the last writeup which happens 7 night phases after the the ataru dual wielding lightsaber sith showed up. Durring this period of time, one of the attackers has to be sith apprentice, the other sith lord. And I would say the most suggests that the sith lord is the dual wielding ataru user.

As for whether the sith mastered ataru or not, no it does not say he is a master swordsman in the writeup from night phase 3.


Edit: Just a thought..we have played for a long time and it is true psychonaut has been a jedi master for a long time.. So isn't it a little odd that newly promoted knights and so on learn new special powers like vigilante killing, doctor, scanner... And psychonaut has not learned any of those durring his 9 day phases as a jedi master?

I really don't have much reason to believe Kage is Sith. Unvote; Vote: TinCow

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Originally Posted by TinCow

So, you claim you only got Investigation IV after you'd obtained all the saber forms?

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Like i am telling you what i have.I am not falling on your fishing attempts and i am not telling anything else about my powers or my scans in public. Is there something you do not understand? You are not trustworthy, so you dont need to know anything apart what has been already said.

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Originally Posted by TinCow

What?

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Originally Posted by TinCow

That's interesting. I haven't gotten a single power from my non-focused area. You seem to be bucking the odds.

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Honestly I find that doubtful

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Originally Posted by Kagemusha

Like i am telling you what i have.I am not falling on your fishing attempts and i am not telling anything else about my powers or my scans in public. Is there something you do not understand? You are not trustworthy, so you dont need to know anything apart what has been already said.

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You're acting panicky. I never asked for what powers you had. I was simply trying to clarify what you had already stated. I asked you this question:

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Originally Posted by TinCow

Also, why did you get Level IV investigation if you concentrate on Lightsabers? That seems like a very advanced power for someone who's not Force focused.

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And this was your answer:

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Originally Posted by Kagemusha

Because as i said before i already have learned all the saber forms as i am the 4th senior Jedi master right now.

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It follows therefore that your explanation for having Investigation IV is that you had already learned all saber forms.

I'm sorry I only answer now. I have a weekend relationship at the moment and my girlfriend naturally doesn't look to favourably on me spending that time on the interwebs. :wink:

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Originally Posted by Frozen In Ice

Why would you call that sound aim if you don't even know if I'm a suspect? Yeah, taking away the best defense of someone who is viewed as likely innocent is a good idea. Make the Sith's job easier so that they become over confident and lower their guard. :yes:

In all seriousness is this true Jooray?

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No, I do not have the Drain Knowledge and it's thus not a Grandmaster only-power, might still rather high-ranking though, most probably Master-level.
I do not approve on it's use, when used randomly, as it will weaken someone that might be innocent!

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Originally Posted by pevergreen

Anyone think there is merit to this?

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I think it's something worth pursuing, something I have to add to the case against Kage, is that I scanned him Night 1 and found out, that he used an active ability at the time. This is nothing much, but still something to note, because of it being Night 1.

One thing your source is wrong though, is that I did not start as Master, I was a Knight at the beginning of the game. I was just the first to be promoted, after pever died.

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Originally Posted by Nightbringer

Iggy is almost surely a known killer of sith, killing Beskar twice. It would be greatly in the interest of a sith Lord to vote For this target whenever he can do so without suspicion.

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This is very new to me. Confused, or know more than I do?

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Originally Posted by pevergreen

Alright Kage, I guess its time for public talking.

For the record, kage has been supplying me info for a bit now. He was the one with the results of

Investigation on Diamondeye: "On-so C'ba, The Light side is not strong with this one."
Second one on Diamondeye: "On-so C'ba, The Light side is present, but weak, in this one."

Has the saber form Ataru as well.

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Something that strikes me as odd about these results, is that they focus on the Light side. There might be another tier-IV investigation I am not aware of, but Force Persuasion seems to focus on the Dark Side. It might be a good ability for Sith to find those worth considering to recruit, or for the Dark One to find those that might be sympathetic for his cause and the Sith he has to kill.
What I find strange though, is that I don't think that Kage would be so open about investigation results he got through a anti-town-ability, but maybe he didn't consider that.

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Originally Posted by ByzantineKnight

Honestly I find that doubtful

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I focused on Force Abilities and I did not get any Saber Form until I turned grandmaster (look at the attacks by the Purple sabered vig, where he is amused I still use Soresu).

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Originally Posted by TinCow

You're acting panicky. I never asked for what powers you had. I was simply trying to clarify what you had already stated. I asked you this question:



And this was your answer:



It follows therefore that your explanation for having Investigation IV is that you had already learned all saber forms.

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I think you are the one acting panicky. You got caught on fishing about information that you dont need to know and now you are trying to defend yourself twisting my words. I am not telling anything further about my abilities to you, but you might want to answer the question, why are you so anxious to reveal my abilities publically? So you can better prepare attacking me?

EDIT: Jooray. From my post bit back you can see that the investigation i used to get those different results is investigation level II- force improved vision, not IV.

Kage's response to pressure is s.u.p.e.r s-c-u-m-m-y. I'm somewhat put off by game mechanics stuff but there's no reason to ignore that.

unvote, vote:Kage

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

Kage's response to pressure is s.u.p.e.r s-c-u-m-m-y. I'm somewhat put off by game mechanics stuff but there's no reason to ignore that.

unvote, vote:Kage

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Lol Sasaki!:laugh4: This is the second time during this game im starting to wonder have you hit your head lately or something? You are dead, you cant vote.~D

Oh yeah. Well at least you can't reply to my suspicion with an omgus vote like you can with tincow.

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Originally Posted by Kagemusha

I think you are the one acting panicky. You got caught on fishing about information that you dont need to know and now you are trying to defend yourself twisting my words. I am not telling anything further about my abilities to you, but you might want to answer the question, why are you so anxious to reveal my abilities publically? So you can better prepare attacking me?

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Please point out where I asked you to disclose or discuss any ability other than the ones you already publicly stated that you had.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

Oh yeah. Well at least you can't reply to my suspicion with an omgus vote like you can with tincow.

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There is nothing Omgus about voting someone who is fishing for information in the thread. When i have said it loud and clear that im not saying anything in the thread which might benefit the sith or the dark one. This same answer is aimed to you as well Tincow. I made it quite clear that i would not disclose anything further in the thread.Still you insist that i should and make new questions in order for me to slip some more information to you. Im sorry. Its not going to happen.

Yeah, getting lynched is much better.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

Yeah, getting lynched is much better.

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I have told to the force ghosts what i know and if i die because i dont help the mafia by giving out publicly information then so be it.

Unvote, Vote: Kagemusha

Just what I've been waiting for. Time to die, Sith.

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Originally Posted by Kagemusha

There is nothing Omgus about voting someone who is fishing for information in the thread. When i have said it loud and clear that im not saying anything in the thread which might benefit the sith or the dark one. This same answer is aimed to you as well Tincow. I made it quite clear that i would not disclose anything further in the thread.Still you insist that i should and make new questions in order for me to slip some more information to you. Im sorry. Its not going to happen.

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Refusing to give a defense is not a defense. It isn't very believable that you cannot defend yourself in any way without giving away important information to the Sith. A decent case has been put forward against you by people other than me. It's not going to go away by ignoring it.

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Originally Posted by Chaotix

Unvote, Vote: Kagemusha

Just what I've been waiting for. Time to die, Sith.

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Well im not going to die anyway today, but just keep voting im sure Jooray can clear me after the next night.

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Originally Posted by TinCow

Refusing to give a defense is not a defense. It isn't very believable that you cannot defend yourself in any way without giving away important information to the Sith. A decent case has been put forward against you by people other than me. It's not going to go away by ignoring it.

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And what exactly is that case? Please do tell me. My actions are accountable to the people who need to know those actions and im sorry if you cant bear the fact you are not among them and try to get me killed because of that.It only points into your own motivations of doing so.

I don't care about your information.

What do you think of byzantine knight? How about nightbringers case on Khazaar?

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

I don't care about your information.

What do you think of byzantine knight? How about nightbringers case on Khazaar?

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I dont have a case against either.If i had i would have quite likely acted upon it.

Well, but what do you think of nightbringers case? And you can read byz's posts today? How scummy on a scale of 1-10?

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

Well, but what do you think of nightbringers case? And you can read byz's posts today? How scummy on a scale of 1-10?

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Nightbringers case is good as any, but to me the one acting suspiciously is Tincow. Our goal here is to find the dark one and the Sith. We have a tool which grandmaster has that reveals them. That is the tool that will give us results that we can depend upon.Everything else is just more or less guess work. Thats what i think.

Vote: kagemusha

I think we got our sith.

So the only way to find sith is the grandmasters tool, which is why any in thread case is "as good as [another]". But TinCow is acting very suspicious in thread, panicking and fishing and twisting your words and so on.

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Originally Posted by Nightbringer

Iggy is almost surely a known killer of sith, killing Beskar twice.

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Wrooong.

The lightsaber stuff is pure coincidence, want to know how? I started as a Padawan, with Form V: Djem So as my sole lighsaber ability. It wasn't until day 6 that I became a Knight and started improving and two rounds ago learned Ataru. The attack you are trying to link me with happened night 3, logically it couldn't be me, I couldn't have been that attacker because I didn't have that saber form. You don't have to believe me, but it's the truth. You've linked two separate disparate elements to create the conclusion you want. You've been drawn into WIFOM and the more you focus on it, the less objectively you see the alternative, actual, real situation.

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Originally Posted by God Emperor

Edit: Just a thought..we have played for a long time and it is true psychonaut has been a jedi master for a long time.. So isn't it a little odd that newly promoted knights and so on learn new special powers like vigilante killing, doctor, scanner... And psychonaut has not learned any of those durring his 9 day phases as a jedi master?

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Why are you consistently making stuff up? Where have I stated having active abilities or no active abilities? The other part of your post is reasonable, you take some public information and draw a conclusion. The wrong one, sure, but fine at least you are probing and asking the correct questions. But, everything after your edit is just off. You create some false information in an attempt to damage my image. Why? Are you trying to throw everyone off onto the wrong path deliberately? That's what it looks like from here. Is somebody under pressure today your scum partner? Create a dubious case against me out of thin air and maybe you save them?

ByzKnight was on the fringes of my gut yesterday, not so much today. Worth a look. Kage I can never tell, he's got the Finnish demeanour that I can never get a read on. A couple players have some ESP, namely: Blackadder, Nightbringer and Frozen.

vote: Kagemusha, the more I hear the more I like agree. Particularly since, out of all the cases I've heard, this is the one that makes the accused seem the smartest.

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Originally Posted by Psychonaut

Why are you consistently making stuff up? Where have I stated having active abilities or no active abilities? The other part of your post is reasonable, you take some public information and draw a conclusion. The wrong one, sure, but fine at least you are probing and asking the correct questions. But, everything after your edit is just off. You create some false information in an attempt to damage my image. Why? Are you trying to throw everyone off onto the wrong path deliberately? That's what it looks like from here. Is somebody under pressure today your scum partner? Create a dubious case against me out of thin air and maybe you save them?

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No, nobody is listening to me^^ . But I say that you have no active abilities like scans, vigilante kills and protection, because I find it completely unreasonable that pevergreen would send two assasins after you if you worked close together with him.. And I don't buy you would have such abilities and not tell pevergreen about it.

So do you have such a power despite pevergreen thought it was a good idea to have you vigilante killed rather than having you stand a public trial ?

Edit: and if so, do you know what made pevergreen think you were a good vigilante target? (pevergreen would be able to answer these questions as well ofc)

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Originally Posted by ByzantineKnight

Honestly I find that doubtful

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Byz, you're acting suuuper scummy, imho. HoS: BK

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

Kage's response to pressure is s.u.p.e.r s-c-u-m-m-y. I'm somewhat put off by game mechanics stuff but there's no reason to ignore that.

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This. To the people voting TinCow; What. He's a replacement and he's pursuing a good case. Got anything in pinch here?

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Originally Posted by Chaotix

Unvote, Vote: Kagemusha

Just what I've been waiting for. Time to die, Sith.

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This. Unvote, Vote: Kagemusha

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Originally Posted by Psychonaut

The lightsaber stuff is pure coincidence, want to know how? I started as a Padawan, with Form V: Djem So as my sole lighsaber ability. It wasn't until day 6 that I became a Knight and started improving and two rounds ago learned Ataru. The attack you are trying to link me with happened night 3, logically it couldn't be me, I couldn't have been that attacker because I didn't have that saber form. You don't have to believe me, but it's the truth. You've linked two separate disparate elements to create the conclusion you want. You've been drawn into WIFOM and the more you focus on it, the less objectively you see the alternative, actual, real situation.

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That was speculation and I agree that the lightsaber form is not connecting you to the sith, but pursuing that lead made pevergreen reveal that Kagemusha has Ataru as well, and on top of the other suspicions piled on him, that's worth something in my opinion. I agree that the case on you bleaks compared to that on Kage and several others.

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Originally Posted by Diamondeye

made pevergreen reveal that Kagemusha has Ataru as well

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Excuse me while I scroll back, must have missed it. On it's own merit I'd probably ignore it, but with everything else it's worth a shot. Plus I never trust myself when it comes to judging Kage, best to take a leap of faith. vote: Kage

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Originally Posted by God Emperor

No, nobody is listening to me^^ . But I say that you have no active abilities like scans, vigilante kills and protection, because I find it completely unreasonable that pevergreen would send two assasins after you if you worked close together with him.. And I don't buy you would have such abilities and not tell pevergreen about it.

So do you have such a power despite pevergreen thought it was a good idea to have you vigilante killed rather than having you stand a public trial ?

Edit: and if so, what made pevergreen think you were a good vigilante target? (pevergreen would be able to answer these questions as well ofc)

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I am, generally speaking, not a fan of private networks, because they often fail and are easily sabotaged. Quite frankly, I'd rather use my own discretion. I find it disturbing that you think the only option for someone with abilities would be to blab to pever, I'm sorry but I don't trust where pever would distribute anything, no slander on him, but the others he is in contact with I am still suspicious of. You obviously have never had a private network contribute in losing you a game (Netherworld I, that still stings in the memory), if you had you wouldn't be so quick to jump to the conclusion you have. Being cautious does not equate to having or not having abilities.

You'll have to ask pever his reasons. I haven't the foggiest.