Representative Democracy [Concluded]

I think dicetosser's got a bit more that says town than El Barto ever did.

BSmith. Sorry about quoting all of his posts but they're few enough for 'em to be of significance.

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Originally Posted by BSmith

Ugh. I was offline this weekend. Doing my best to get caught up... but 30 pages already ?!

Please tell me they are all worth reading.

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Originally Posted by BSmith

Just in case..

Vote: Winston
Vote: Visor
Vote: Al Sips

I have read absolutely nothing of the game so far, so take the above with a massive grain of salt…

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Originally Posted by BSmith

Not sure my expectations have risen with this statement... :laugh4:

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Originally Posted by BSmith

yeah, not keeping up today at all. :shame:


I will give unvote; vote: Visor a chance to test the double vote claim. (at least I think that is still a thing?)

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Above is just [people are posting a lot, i can't]

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Originally Posted by BSmith

Not gonna lie. This game is taxing my ability to keep up. Sad thing is that I am probably spending more RL time on this game than one I am able to participate in more. I don’t like posting without being caught up on the thread, and just getting caught up is taking more time than I have in a day.

Anyway, no more excuses.

I’m fine with either Visor or vote: Winston for our rep. Renata, DP and Cass all obvious town at this point (or at least clear enough to focus elsewhere). Town lean on Visor and Winston, mainly based on tone and what I would expect from them. Note that they are good at looking town, so not ready to go all in on that assessment. Csargo and Al I can’t really get on too much as I am in the exact same boat wrt to keeping up. Reid has I think one post, so basically null, but I would have expected at least some more “I can’t keep up” types of posts if that was indeed the case.

I agree that the vote: Cuth transition on the Sooh case is odd.

El Barto and Zack aren’t really being helpful at this point, Barto mainly being his normal self, and Zack started helpful but Zack’s mood seems to have gotten in his way. Monty is making some good cases. Many other new names here that I just don’t have a lot of history on.

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I thought about this one for a bit. Yes, it's consensus'y for the most part, but I have a very hard time finding any sort of scum alignment in it. I agree with what it says about Barto and Zack. Disagree on the quality of Monty's cases, but that's nothing new and I get what he's trying to say.

Basically, unless somehow he's teamed with a deep wolf and has 0 agendas to advance whatsoever, I don't see this coming from scum.

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Originally Posted by BSmith

I actually understand his point is what I was trying to get at. Usually that is not so easy. I can see his logic.

That said the case on Cuth resonates with me more.

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mild solvy attitude and i do think it feels genuine

Mildly confident on town here, actually.

csargo

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Originally Posted by Csargo

Vote: Montmorency

Vote: Winston Hughes

Vote: Sooh

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was on page 5 for me

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Originally Posted by Csargo

unvote, Vote: Cass_

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and then switches to cass, allegedly to prevent zack/visor chancellor

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Originally Posted by Csargo

I would probably post more if it was possible for me to keep up with this game, and not have to spend most of my time reading the thread. I feel like a thousand posts is a lot for day 1.

I thought they were town enough in my opinion for day one. I was going to vote BSmith, but he hadn't shown up yet.

Same reason as above, and to avoid a Zack/Visor Chancellor. Mostly the latter though if I'm honest...

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Originally Posted by Csargo

Why haven't you voted at all? The deadline is soon, so you probably should. Just saying.

I'm not going back to find it, but Visor doesn't strike me as scummy compared to the other times I've played with Visor. Most cases at this point are feelers in the dark really...

I'd just prefer them not to be Chancellor is all, both seem to be town to me from previous experiences with them.

It's early on in the game, so I'm just winging it really.

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Originally Posted by Csargo

Here have this Vote:Winston He seems alright...

I'm not even going to bother voting to lynch someone, because that seems pointless. The shear volume of posting would make that irresponsible of me anyways. i.e. I can't keep up.

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not really much to comment on

this is really easy content

and could be anything

next: fenn

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Originally Posted by Fenn

Hey everyone. I somewhat followed D2 but will need to reread at some point.

Dp101 was almost 100% confirmed town given his D1 voting (and good posts besides), whereas Zack could conceivably be scum. That's reason enough to do away with Dp. Similar reason could apply for lynching GH (+ he was a less controversial candidate than Zack), but that's getting into WIFOM territory and I'm not convinced that Cass is a wolf.

FWIW Cuthillius seems more scummy than El Barto to me despite EB's D2 weird talk about voting.

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Originally Posted by Fenn

His switch from wolf-reading to town-reading Jabbz on EoD1, plus apparently trying to avoid having Choxorn on the lynch block which looked bad in light of the mafia flip, and his response to D2 pressure sounded wolfy to me. I need to ISO him tomorrow and see if that impression is accurate.

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cliffs: no i did not

1)He has not ISOd me
2)Both of those points are completely invalid and yet he's still been in a Cuth Tunnel this game

@Fenn

i'd like you to do that ISO

This one is touchier because he has been more or less focused on me, which does change my perspective. That said it gets a scum lean from me simply for not seeming to care about why his primary target gets lynched as long as they do, and not really seeming to try to find town.

That said, I thought the bit with riedquat where he said "i don't really have a lean but points for being clear and rational and i could be convinced to elect him" was a little bit towny.

Interesting theory: Bart-Monstr. Monstr townread Bart early D2 and hasn't addressed him or on him since then according to my records. Bart spent late D1 and early D2 scum-reading Monstr with a few sentences and minimal reasoning. By last game's standards, this could be indicative. Or at least, if you are one to scumread Bart here then you have to seriously consider the possibility of Monstr being his partner.

Only other substantive activity from Bart (on D2) was questions on hard-clear townies; OMGUS policy-vote and mutual-unvote game with Winston, Zack (threat and suss apropos of nothing), and dicetosser; interpret criticism from Renata as accusation of Bart-dicetosser team; question me on sus "Why specifically Csargo [Fenn]?";

Other stuff for accountability:

*Assume 5 start scum
*If Cuth town, Visor back on agenda, Schema townier

*If Cuth scum, revisit Al Sips, Jabbz - distortion on Zack?
*Someone said Cuth flips scum clears Barto - who? Cuth for his part scumleaned Bart D2 (along with GH and Zack)
*Winston looks better?
*Damaging to Monstr for early Cuth scum read, since then townread Cuth? Both Cuth and Monstr insist lynch low-posters first? Cuth reads Monstr town.

*People I would lynch before Barto if Cuth is scum: Schema, Fenn,
*If Cuth is not scum: Fenn, Winston

double post

Al.

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Originally Posted by Al Sipsclar

From town to scum:

Cass_
Renata
Dp101

atheotes
dicetosser1
Jabbz
Visor

Monstrbro
Zack
Winston

BSmith
CSargo
Riedquat

Monty
GH
El Barto
Schema
Cuthillius

Need to ISO the last group to make up my mind.

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again, you haven't ISO'd anything
@Al Sipsclar

Similar to Fenn, says will/wants to do stuff that he does not. "Needs to figure stuff out by ISOing", but usually just makes up mind some other way.

Maybe 5% lean towards scum. I have no strong feelings on him.

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Originally Posted by Riedquat

My contributions? Whaaaat?? Are you all already drunk? I've not contributed anything except a few opinions here and there, I did the bare minimum to not get wogged... and lets say it, I'm scummy as heck! :stare:

And Vote: GH for the hell of it!

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I also don't have much on Riedquat, but I think this is slightly scummy? Maybe.

I mean, his posting comes across as disengaged town, but that really isn't very hard to fake.

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Originally Posted by dicetosser1

red wanna bet?? I was part of a 4 man scum team and my teammate Zander bussed the living hell out of our other teammate lenlo. D1`. Like EXTREME bussing. Dont EVER say never.

and how can you POSSIBLY have them at 99.9%? seriously. They are either 100 % cause of clearing night actions or they are at best like 75%? The only people who can claim that level of confidence on a bunch of people is a) the cop who cleared them b) someone who REALLY knows how to read them like 100 % of the time or c) scum. Are you a or B?

And dont think i didnt notice you trying to squirrel away from this convo with that whole Im not covering this again thing. I will just keep bringing it up and pounding away at you.







Im leaning town. There are differences between his scum game and town game but for me they are mainly tone and behaviour things.





Vote El Barto

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dice has a very pure confident aggressive towny feel

i'm giving him a reasonable town lean

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

If I'm lynched and flip scum then my entire rationale completely falls apart.

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lol

anyway

gh is still my top scum

for example, the last (only?) time he posted a readlist, he explained that it was not his, but rather consensus, which ???

i fail to see how that's exactly important or helpful for town

apart from that there's a lot of commentary and talking about how many posts there are and very little solving of any sort, even though he has over 50 posts

vote: generalhankerchief

since i haven't gotten around to that today

Errrrrrrrr wtf

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Errrrrrrrr wtf

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i told you i would

no complaining :P

Vote:Cuthillius

Cuth I want you to iso gh and shoe me how he is scum

GH was lynched yesterday.

No points toward derpclear. :thumbsdown:

I do think El Barto is a bit towny

I feel the way in which the thread is consensusing against him

in particular

and the way people talk about him

i personally get the sense the scum team is sitting back and enjoying the ride because everyone's going to talk about me and el barto until we're dead unless something changes

apart from that i can't really say how i feel about his posts

in a vacuum i'd say the tone is maybe sliightly towny

but there are some meh posts

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

GH was lynched yesterday.

No points toward derpclear. :thumbsdown:

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ah right

We must interpret Cuth's latest as running interference in face of impending lynch.

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

I do think El Barto is a bit towny

I feel the way in which the thread is consensusing against him

in particular

and the way people talk about him

i personally get the sense the scum team is sitting back and enjoying the ride because everyone's going to talk about me and el barto until we're dead unless something changes

apart from that i can't really say how i feel about his posts

in a vacuum i'd say the tone is maybe sliightly towny

but there are some meh posts

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as i was writing this i was thinking and was like "hey gh really hasn't posted much today has he"

lolme

Ffs Monty I wanted to see if it was genuine

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

We must interpret Cuth's latest as running interference in face of impending lynch.

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i was starting to type out an angry and annoyed response to that

but i realized i don't care (that much)

so whatever

Cuth coming in here pushing gh

A g e n d a

Also lolderpclears, you deserve to die on that alone

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Originally Posted by Cuthillius

i told you i would

no complaining :P

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i told you i'd vote the dead guy

in scumchat amiright

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lol

anyway

gh is still my top scum

for example, the last (only?) time he posted a readlist, he explained that it was not his, but rather consensus, which ???

i fail to see how that's exactly important or helpful for town

apart from that there's a lot of commentary and talking about how many posts there are and very little solving of any sort, even though he has over 50 posts

vote: generalhankerchief

since i haven't gotten around to that today

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This is a blatant misconstruction of his post anyway

Goodbye cuth

Time to post lolcats

woah ath has 64 posts

hmm

his posts read genuinely to me

i would put it as a solid town if it didn't concern me a little

i don't remember playing with him when he was scum

the fact that he's been posting so much more than typically weirds me out

but a townread on tone things

stuff like this

"I was a little suspicious of Renata. But once i saw her response to Choxorn's post, it was a mindmeld which made me change my read on her. So yes, i thought Choxorn was wolfy. "

i think schema's fairly towny

she has hedged quite a lot the last two days

but i did like her posts d1

and there's nothing that's stood out to me as overly scummish

also @Schema

you said you'd iso your district

(lol for some reason people like to say that)

(also to be completely fair i did say it and didn't get around to it for ~2 days)

(so hypocrite blah blah blah)

mild town for now

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Originally Posted by Visor

Ffs Monty I wanted to see if it was genuine

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Well, if the shoe fits...

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Originally Posted by Visor

Cuth I want you to iso gh and shoe me how he is scum

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JNRR

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Originally Posted by Montmorency

Interesting theory: Bart-Monstr. Monstr townread Bart early D2 and hasn't addressed him or on him since then according to my records. Bart spent late D1 and early D2 scum-reading Monstr with a few sentences and minimal reasoning. By last game's standards, this could be indicative. Or at least, if you are one to scumread Bart here then you have to seriously consider the possibility of Monstr being his partner.

Only other substantive activity from Bart (on D2) was questions on hard-clear townies; OMGUS policy-vote and mutual-unvote game with Winston, Zack (threat and suss apropos of nothing), and dicetosser; interpret criticism from Renata as accusation of Bart-dicetosser team; question me on sus "Why specifically Csargo [Fenn]?";

Other stuff for accountability:

*Assume 5 start scum
*If Cuth town, Visor back on agenda, Schema townier

*If Cuth scum, revisit Al Sips, Jabbz - distortion on Zack?
*Someone said Cuth flips scum clears Barto - who? Cuth for his part scumleaned Bart D2 (along with GH and Zack)
*Winston looks better?
*Damaging to Monstr for early Cuth scum read, since then townread Cuth? Both Cuth and Monstr insist lynch low-posters first? Cuth reads Monstr town.

*People I would lynch before Barto if Cuth is scum: Schema, Fenn,
*If Cuth is not scum: Fenn, Winston

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Start off with theory Bart-Monstr, work your way to naming several people you'd vote before Barto. Why does nobody want to bury El Barto this game?

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Originally Posted by Renata

Start off with theory Bart-Monstr, work your way to naming several people you'd vote before Barto. Why does nobody want to bury El Barto this game?

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I don't agree with the theory, I brought it up because it's something that Barto scumreaders need to come to grips with. IMO.

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Why does nobody want to bury El Barto this game?

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Holy disingenuous.