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Well if you go back to that telegraph article they moan about religious law being used in England , then praise the English law being based on Jewish and Christian law ...kinda funny ain't it .Quote:
So basically english law is derived from religious laws and thus not secular, a reason to be worried?
As for England being a secular country , the head of state is the head of the church and the house of lords contains all the top anglican bishops and the chief rabbi .:inquisitive:
Oh snape, that explains a lot then. :sweatdrop:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
Stupid me thought that enlightenment had reached the island by now but they probably kept it out like rabies. ~;)
If you're talking about removing the Sharia 'arbitration' courts, it seems it would have a very important effect:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
The judges would not be Islamic clerics making rulings based on Islamic law.
As a continuation of Louis' anti-racism coming before anti-sexism, here's an article by a hardcore feminist defending oppression of Muslim women:
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When Americans were being prepared for the invasion of Afghanistan, the Taliban were demonised for denying cosmetics and hair colour to women; when the Taliban were overthrown, Western writers often noted that women had taken off their scarves.
But are we in the West radically misinterpreting Muslim sexual mores, particularly the meaning to many Muslim women of being veiled or wearing the chador? And are we blind to our own markers of the oppression and control of women?
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I experienced it myself. I put on a shalwar kameez and a headscarf in Morocco for a trip to the bazaar. Yes, some of the warmth I encountered was probably from the novelty of seeing a Westerner so clothed; but, as I moved about the market - the curve of my breasts covered, the shape of my legs obscured, my long hair not flying about me - I felt a novel sense of calm and serenity. I felt, yes, in certain ways, free.
From that excerpt I can see where she is coming from, I find a similar sense of calm and self contentment when it is a very cold day and I have an excuse to wear multiple layers of thick woolen clothing. It simply means you do not have to be so self-conscious, because who is gonna notice any outline in that concoction of clothing?
So you want it to be that British subjects can choose absolutely any method of abritration they want as long as it is in accordance with British law apart from one method ?Quote:
If you're talking about removing the Sharia 'arbitration' courts, it seems it would have a very important effect:
The judges would not be Islamic clerics making rulings based on Islamic law.
yep , that makes sense:dizzy2:
http://townhall.com/columnists/Diana...urope_to_islam
"According to press reports this week, the British government has quietly, cravenly elevated five Sharia courts to the level of tribunal hearings, thus making their rulings legally binding."
This actually true?
Nope , it just a case of rather sloppy journalism playing on sensationalising a non-story .Quote:
This actually true?
Like....
....an arbitration panel cannot aquit because that is not what it does , even if it were a criminal court there could not be such a move .Quote:
and several cases of domestic violence in which husbands were acquitted and wives' charges were dropped.
Nice to see people using townhall.com though , I miss the laugh now that Gawain isn't around .
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thus making their rulings legally binding.
Hang on a minute. Didn't you say earlier in the thread that decisions made by the Sharia 'courts' are legally binding if both parties agree to this peculiar form of arbitration? :inquisitive:Quote:
Nope , it just a case of rather sloppy journalism playing on sensationalising a non-story .
Yes indeedydo .Quote:
Hang on a minute. Didn't you say earlier in the thread that decisions made by the Sharia 'courts' are legally binding if both parties agree to this peculiar form of arbitration?
But look what was written Idaho
Were they already part of the legal system for over 100 years ? yesQuote:
we can look to England, where, it pains me to write, Sharia courts are now officially part of the British legal system. According to press reports this week, the British government has quietly, cravenly elevated five Sharia courts to the level of tribunal hearings, thus making their rulings legally binding.
Did they quietly and cravenly elevate them ? Nope .
Are the rulings of any arbitration process legally binding as long as they don't contradict the law of the land and they are entered into by consent of both parties ? yes
Like I said , a complete non-story , highly sensationalised and in the case of that particular article terribly sloppy journalism
Blimey, someone in Browns government who talks sense. Who da thunk it!
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle4926612.eceQuote:
Gordon Brown's new minister for race relations has attacked sharia courts, insisting that the Muslim community in Britain is not “advanced” enough to have its own legal system.
Sadiq Khan, whose comments will have added impact because he is a Muslim himself, has also warned that the growing number of tribunals based on Islamic codes could entrench discrimination against women.
Not just sense but realistic as well...
No one will take any notice though, the guys obviously way 'off message'. Good for him. :2thumbsup:Quote:
Khan said he was aware such blunt criticism of his own community would lead to controversy, but he insisted: “Mass migration [among Asian Muslims] started 30 years ago. Jewish migration started 500 years ago.
KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN
-captain Kirk
Well brits an excuse-immigrant said it it's ok to agree, I repeat, it's ok to agree
Ah, now here's a man with insight.Quote:
Originally Posted by InsaneApache
This is the way forward. Seek out the moderate, forward-looking Muslims and build a functioning multi-cultural society with them.
Instead of these tired conditioned anti-discriminatory reflexes - which only serves the agenda of the extremists, and has been a recipe for disaster.
Point and laugh at us silly western supremacists all you want, but I think integration into British society is the way forward for Britian and for British Muslims. And not Sharia.