The Godfather, Part 3 [Concluded]

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

You've repeatedly said that you were worried about having to do your own write up if you were mafia in a game that required it because you would have to put work into disguising your style. Now you are voting based on a few grammar errors--

unvote:'khaan

Vote:TinCow

also, only post graduate types think ending a sentence with a preposition is bad grammar :laugh4:

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I admit that I would work hard on covering up my writing style if I was forced to submit kill write-ups. However, there are limits to the felonies I would commit against the English language, and ending sentences with prepositions goes beyond the pale.

Have you no sense of decency, sir?

I still find the whole Reenk bandwagon from last round incrediably suspicious. Its bringing back too many memories of GH's election in mafia I.

Vote: Seamus

Third on the bandwagon.

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Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy

Feed them too much pizza shaped like sevens until they die.

And the toppings must include pork, lamb, chicken, and Beefy.

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I the captain of the Beefdom refuse to supply Beefs to the evil kingdom of Pizza!

Vote:ATPG

Hail Yoyoma!!

Bail!! :creep:

This seems to come up in most games and somehow usually works against me so ill clarify from the start. English is my first langauge... just i tend to butcher the thing.

I was wondering about the N on the end of TinCow's name, I was thinking the N is quite far from W, though I suppose someone could have hit the N whilst going for the space bar and hit both

tincown (i was practising it) Its fairly possible to accidently do it, but that would suggest someone who types quite quickly and carelessly... or of course someone covering thier tracks...

To put myself in the mafia's shoes, i would be very careful not to hint towards myself, i would spell check in US english (because im UK) if normally very well written i would try and find someone less well written's style to try to mimic, if usually badly written i would find the best spoken member and try to mimic his style, with religious attention to grammar...

As for the voting im waiting for some analysis from CA as well or any other info people can provide as i remain unsure... ill Vote Abstain just for the moment

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Originally Posted by TinCow

I admit that I would work hard on covering up my writing style if I was forced to submit kill write-ups. However, there are limits to the felonies I would commit against the English language, and ending sentences with prepositions goes beyond the pale.

Have you no sense of decency, sir?

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Hah, I should of known you would reply in this manner. Its ok though, now I know who I'm dealing with....

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Originally Posted by Lord Winter

I still find the whole Reenk bandwagon from last round incrediably suspicious. Its bringing back too many memories of GH's election in mafia I.

Vote: Seamus

Third on the bandwagon.

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I find the fact that you think that is "incredibly suspicious" suspicious.

One of the reasons I gave up my claims to becoming the Po was to continue this noble tradition of abstaining, courteously:bow:

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

I find the fact that you think that is "incredibly suspicious" suspicious.

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I find it suspicious your finding it suspicious that Lord Winter found it suspicious that he thinks you performed something suspicious, which is unto itself suspicious.

You two are inventing something to argue over.

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Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly

This seems to come up in most games and somehow usually works against me so ill clarify from the start. English is my first langauge... just i tend to butcher the thing.
As for the voting im waiting for some analysis from CA as well or any other info people can provide as i remain unsure... ill Vote Abstain just for the moment

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Words....I live by.....butcher the english langauge, my Grade 12 english teacher would have liked to beat me over the head with a ruler....had it not been for the fact that it would only make thing's worse in the long run....:sweatdrop:

I am going to wait for a good analysis....rather then just throwing my vote around....Vote:abstain
BTW, not saying there not good so far....but anyone can just take or study old kill write-ups and come up with good idea's....and even make there sentence strucue (damn vista... no spell check) similar to anyone else's.....

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

I find the fact that you think that is "incredibly suspicious" suspicious.

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The bandwagon in general, not seamus in particular. I don't exactly have enough to go off of yet. I just randomly joined one on the bandwagon and went with the rule of 3.

The Tally Thus Far:

No Vote = 8 (Askthepizzaguy, boudica, Gaius Scribonius Curio, Ichigo, Ignoramus, Jolt, Rythmic, Seamus Fermanagh)

Abstain = 5 (777Ares777, LittleGrizzly, Quintus.JC, Reenk Roink [courteously], White_Eyes:D)

Andres = 2 (Chaotix27, Tevashzat)
Ichigo = 2 (Sigurd, Taka)
Sasaki Kojiro = 2 (Andres, YLC)

Askthepizzaguy = 1 (187Beefyz)
187Beefyz = 1 (TincCow)
Chaotix27 = 1 (Glyphz)
Seamus Fermanagh = 1 (Lord Winter)
Shlin28 = 1 (sereikhaan)
TinCow = 1 (Sasaki Kojiro)

Can't Vote= 1 (Shlin28)

Murdered = 2 (CountArach, Tratorix)

Lynched = 0

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Originally Posted by 777Ares777

the post before this post in the 'vote for the person in front of me tactic' is yourself, so i think you should be doing a suicide vote Glyphz :grin:

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Good point~:pat:
I'll make it a point to do so the next time it happens

Random vote:

Vote: Ignoramus

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Originally Posted by glyphz

Good point~:pat:
I'll make it a point to do so the next time it happens

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Don't worry, i'll compensate, you had bad reasoning for your vote anyway :inquisitive:

unvote, vote: glyphz

It is clear that the Write-Ups will provide excellent source of clues. I find TincoWs suspicion of Beefy to be understandable, although gut instinct and three read-throughs tell me that Beefy is being framed as a Beef Patsy (pastie?, whatever).

Seamus made the first good analysis after night time and though he pointed out that the kill write ups would be important he made no observations himself... drawing attention to a set up?

@ Seamus: Did you not think the write up indicated anyone who didn't use English as a first language?

I find it suspicious that you went to the trouble of producing coherent analysis, but neglected to mention the obvious grammatical errors. vote: Seamus Fermanagh

As an aside, I think the initial election period definitely needs careful analysis. In terms of exactly when the mafia stooges would have been selected by the Godfather and how that may have affected voting.

Tally

No Vote = 6 (Askthepizzaguy, Gaius Scribonius Curio, Ichigo, Ignoramus, Jolt, Seamus Fermanagh)

Abstain = 4 LittleGrizzly, Quintus.JC, Reenk Roink [courteously], White_Eyes:D)

Andres = 2 (Chaotix27, Tevashzat)
Ichigo = 2 (Sigurd, Taka)
Sasaki Kojiro = 2 (Andres, YLC)
Seamus Fermanagh = 2 (Lord Winter, boudica)

Askthepizzaguy = 1 (187Beefyz)
187Beefyz = 1 (TincCow)
Chaotix27 = 1 (Glyphz)
Shlin28 = 1 (sereikhaan)
TinCow = 1 (Sasaki Kojiro)
Ignoramus = 1 (Rythmic)
Glyphz = 1 (777Ares777)

Can't Vote= 1 (Shlin28)

Murdered = 2 (CountArach, Tratorix)

Lynched = 0

I would also mention, that some clever mafia point out clues that involve themselves, as if to deflect suspicion on that topic away from themselves, pointing out a clue could be good analyzing or it could be in association with the persons role.

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Originally Posted by Sigurd

I believe the write-ups are supposed to be written and posted unchanged (I wish that was true in Ephesus - It would have been sooo much more fun).

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It would only have been fun for you; fun as in 'too easy to obtain victory' ~;)

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

You've repeatedly said that you were worried about having to do your own write up if you were mafia in a game that required it because you would have to put work into disguising your style. Now you are voting based on a few grammar errors--

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And how does that make TinCow suspicious? It doesn't even make him a hypocrite :shrug:

I for one am not going to bother looking at the grammar and spelling of kill write-ups. We have a godfather and two grunts, it may well be that there are native and non native speakers among the mafia, possibly even a native speaker from the US, a native speaker from the UK and a non native speaker.

And then there's 'khaan who enthusiastically analysed kill write-ups in Kung Fu mafia while he probably wrote them himself.

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Originally Posted by boudica

It is clear that the Write-Ups will provide excellent source of clues. I find TincoWs suspicion of Beefy to be understandable, although gut instinct and three read-throughs tell me that Beefy is being framed as a Beef Patsy (pastie?, whatever).

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Shall we do a quick cooking lessons?

First we flame Beefy!

Then Beefy obviously wines!!

Then we meatball him!

Daddaa!! We now have a huge Beef steak!! :smash:

... gently mixed with meatballs..

I guess you must be feeling pretty tender by now :clown:

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Originally Posted by Andres

And how does that make TinCow suspicious? It doesn't even make him a hypocrite :shrug:

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Because the line of thought "As mafia I would do everything to make sure that the write up could not be traced to me" does not lead to the conclusion "I will therefore analyze the write up to gain clues about the mafia".

btw, do you think I'm mafia? I might have to break the 4 way tie and the natural thought is to vote for someone who's voting me...

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

Because the line of thought "As mafia I would do everything to make sure that the write up could not be traced to me" does not lead to the conclusion "I will therefore analyze the write up to gain clues about the mafia".

btw, do you think I'm mafia? I might have to break the 4 way tie and the natural thought is to vote for someone who's voting me...

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Are you threatening me? :inquisitive:

If you must, break the tie and vote me. Somebody has to go first :shrug:

That would seem scummy, and i would be tempted to vote for sasaki for evening doing that....

OK, my take on what happened last night, supported by elements of GH's write-up. First thing that we need to be aware of is that GH stated unequivocly that he would not edit the maifia's kill descriptions, as I think has been pointed out. As such, I feel that such things will have more of a bearing on finding mafiosi in this game than others, because we can be sure that said mafiosi have to author the write-ups. As has been said above, they will try their utmost to disguise their style (or will they) and it will be difficult to ascertain much, but the evidence is there and it is something tangible that we can work on.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Tratorix was driving home after the election results when he noticed a poster featuring a particularly attractive girl calling for change we can believe him.

“Huh,” he said, “That was exactly what I was just thinking about earlier during the elections.”

After a while, though, Tratorix started getting bored and was going to get back into his car when he noticed another poster across the street also calling for change we can believe him, but featuring another attractive girl.

As Tratorix approached the poster, something else caught his attention: a dusty poster plastered on a wall in the nearby alley.

When he first reached the dusty poster, he couldn’t see anything. Only after brushing off all of the dust did he realize that it was actually a picture of some unknown masked man eating a baby, just like Tincown had accused shlin28 of.

Horrified by such an image, Tratorix immediately backed away, but then tripped on a pothole. He fell backwards right onto a conveniently placed knife that was held upright with epoxy. The knife went straight through his lungs.

As Tratorix lied on the ground, gasping for air and slowly bleeding to death, he heard a rustling noise. He wasn’t able to turn his head very fast on account of his knife wound, but he managed to see a dark figure running out of the alley.

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The first write-up. There seems to be a number of spelling mistakes and grammatical errors. However, and this has been raised previously, there seems no obvious reason why someone could spell Tincow, with an n on the end. Also important, how many people do we know of that would substitute 'him' for 'in'. Many of the people I've spoken to on this forum for whom english is a second/third language still speak/write very good english. It would also make sense for them to use a spell-checker. As such I wouldn't read too much into this, possibly an attempt to disguise a native english speaker's write-up.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

CountArach was very happy with the election of shlin28 to the post of Chief of Police. So happy in fact, that he even left the front door of his home unlocked without being afraid of a burglary.

"With Shlin28 as Chief of Police, we have nothing to worry about!" He said contently to himself and went to bed.

However, that night proved him dead wrong. Just as he was about to fall asleep, he noticed a shadow move past his window. "Must be the neighbors," he thought to himself and went back to sleep. Then, however, he slowly heard his door open. Alerted by someone’s presence, he shouted "who's there?" but there was no answer, as if the wind blew open the door.

"It must have been the wind," CountArach nervously laughed.

As he was walking towards the door he felt something stuffed into his mouth and quickly realized it was a wad of cloth soaked in methanol. His eyes went blurry and he fell on a carefully placed knife that was held upright with epoxy.

Being under the effects of the methanol, he hardly felt the knife slicing through his Kidneys. Right before he closed his eyes for the last time, he saw a Shadow run out of his doorway into the night.

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CA's death has a short description, little tangible detail to work on. It would seem from the similarity in the actual method of death that the mafia are attempting to make it difficult for us from the off to know when one of their number is successfully removed.

As of this moment I have no real suspects, but to not vote is to avoid the issue.

Vote: Quintus Julius Cicero

To add to the pain of Everton winning the derby. :clown:

Was there any point in that Gaius? a rather long post that told us very little at all, issues at the TWC have been raised about players making big posts to make lazy townies think you've contributed, when really theres no help to the post at all. :inquisitive:

I have decided to wait before posting any textual analysis of the write-ups so that the mafia do not know what to look for and change - rest assured it will be coming up soon enough though.

Townies shouldn't be martyrs...when you know your innocent the best play is to lynch someone who could be guilty. I'll vote:Ichigo instead though.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

Townies shouldn't be martyrs...when you know your innocent the best play is to lynch someone who could be guilty. I'll vote:Ichigo instead though.

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Well, you could be guilty :shrug:

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Originally Posted by 777Ares777

Was there any point in that Gaius? a rather long post that told us very little at all, issues at the TWC have been raised about players making big posts to make lazy townies think you've contributed, when really theres no help to the post at all. :inquisitive:

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Its not like you can do much on day 1 anyway.. Least he gave some reason rather then random votes.

Beefy :whip: To make my self even more "tender"

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

Because the line of thought "As mafia I would do everything to make sure that the write up could not be traced to me" does not lead to the conclusion "I will therefore analyze the write up to gain clues about the mafia".

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I also believe that it would be very dangerous for the Godfather to pick two very experienced high-profile members. Those people tend to get lynched even when they play perfectly. It is likely that the Godfather picked at least one person who is newer or tends to lurk. I think it likely that this person would not be as skilled in faking kill write-ups and other such things. I admit this is a bit of a stretch for a lynch vote, but this is the first round, so I don't have a whole lot else to go on. I already had my first turn fun with the 'campaign,' so no need to do a silly vote this time around.

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Originally Posted by TinCow

I also believe that it would be very dangerous for the Godfather to pick two very experienced high-profile members. Those people tend to get lynched even when they play perfectly. It is likely that the Godfather picked at least one person who is newer or tends to lurk.

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From my own experience (I had to pick my mafia in one game a while back) I did this.

Seriously, Tincow, the mistakes were intentional, your name was spelt as tincown, 'n' is the other end of the keyboard than the real last letter, which is 'w' the him mistake working similarly, i don't think it was bad grammar, but more or less an extremely well hidden clue or something to put us off track, which seems to have worked out nicely by the looks of it.

Beefy isn't lurkish or new to mafia from what i am aware, so your thoughts don't piece together very coherently. And in my opinion unless it is admitted to be a random vote, I would say you had a vendetta against Beefy to persist with this wild thought.