The Catilinian Conspiracy [Concluded]

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Originally Posted by Romanic

@Secura: What are you doing? You voted yourself a 2nd time.

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I didn't really understand why people were voting Diamondeye and didn't have any solid suspicions, so voted as explained below; doesn't seem to have been counted though, unfortunately.

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Originally Posted by ByzantineKnight

Secura seems determined to get exiled and its a little weird... I'm almost inclined to give up Exile and vote Tullianium: Secura next time...

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Because I happen to think that there is no finer person than myself to test the exile mechanic on; as a Consul of the Imperium, I am immune to exile and I want to see what happens... I've never had an ability that grants me an immunity to a lynch mechanic, much less having such an ability as a townsperson, and it strikes me as an odd choice on the host's part.

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@Secura is that part of your victory condition or something? Are you Caesar?

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My victory condition is to remove all threats to the Republic. And no, I am not Julius Caesar; I keep seeing his name mentioned though, what's the fascination? :S

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Originally Posted by Romanic

Maybe she does want to be exiled...

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I'm just struggling to see what use my ability has when I'm town-aligned and execution seems like the preferred means of lynching anyway.

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Originally Posted by God Emperor

I frankly just wanted to know who you found suspecious. You FOS'ed Beskar for voting you? :o

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I gave a reason for voting for Beskie, maybe you just didn't read it :tongue:

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Originally Posted by Romanic

I made a post yesterday before going to bed, and it's not there anymore. :angry:

Tullianium: Double A

The N1 attack on Cicero does not make sense, he was invulnerable. Only someone not following the game could have done this, and Double A fits the profile.

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Ok, even if I wasn't following the game, I would at least have know who the two invulnerable are. And if I ever forget, I can just go to the bottom of page 1.

By the way, I'm here because I'm waiting for my PC to update or something. I got home around 5pm from an awesome BBQ, literally stuffed, and installed Civ V. Aside from a few drink and/or food breaks, I played it straight until 5am when my mom told me to go to bed.

AND I'M NOT EVEN TO THE RENAISSANCE ERA YET.

@God Emperor : Since you admitted having the ability to write on the Senate Walls, can you tell us if one of the previous messages was your doing?

Well I did tell that, but I can tell it again. No I did not put anything on the wall.. I decided I couldn't find a good use for the wall posting at this early stage of the game.

Tonight is the death of the Republic, Tonight is the night that all good romans fear for on this day the Republic will never have being in greater jeopardy. The two killer’s, cowards that they are, begin moving once more to strike against the Republic and this night they have chosen very well indeed. The first killer moves into the house of the brother of Cicero Quintus Cicero. This will indeed be a strong blow against Cicero for not only is his brother have the little military experience in the family but Quintus has remained a trusted advisor to his brother helping out in Cicero’s campaign to win the Consulship. The figure moves into the house of Quintus he slowly but surely moves towards the sleeping figure. He is going to enjoy this one very much. For too long Cicero has laughed off the deaths that have come forth thus far. No one would moan the loss of Pulcher or of Pompey and Crassus but the death of Quintus will shake the very core of Cicero. The killer moves forward pulls out a rope and strangles Quintus.
Beskar (Quintus Tullius Cicero) is dead

The second figure to die this day will be another that will put fear into the Heart of Cicero. The second killer moves over to the house of Atticus the best friend of Cicero. Whilst Atticus is not a senator he is a wise man, wise enough to avoid the pit that is politics. However despite his keeping his head down this will not save him from the butcher’s knife. The figure stalks Atticus out of his home he appears to be talking with several other figure about the difference between Stoicism and Aristolian views on the world. The killer jumps out and stabs Atticus in the side. As Atticus falls down onto the ground the blood slowly falling onto the ground Cicero sits bolt upright in his bed he knows something is wrong, very wrong indeed.
Romanic (Atticus) is dead


The next morning
Cicero gets up and says a few words.
I have no words left within me. Words cannot express the feelings that are coursing through me. Fellow senators go and vote for it is the only way my brother and my dearest friend can be avenged.

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Originally Posted by Double A

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AND I'M NOT EVEN TO THE RENAISSANCE ERA YET.

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Protip: Play as Napoleon. He is insanely overpowered.

@the game: Well this is toppling over fast. I would suggest looking into lurkers. So far, we've no reason to believe we've been even close to threatening Cataline. I suggest massive pressure on people who've kept a low profile (all those who are talking are being murdered) - to root out the men around Sasaki/Cataline. I think we have no more space for mislynches anymore. Here is a (much needed) unofficial account of dead/alive:

Alive:
Double A
Joooray
Csargo
Sasaki
ByzantineKnight
TheFlax
GodEmperor
White Eyes
YLC
Secura


Dead:
Autolycus
JohnHughthom
Winston Hughes
AskThePizzaGuy
Diamondeye
Beskar
Romanic

Take a close look at Flax, YLC, WE:D and maybe even Secura.

Great.

I signed up to this game believing that it was simply a piece of fiction when it actually seems to be based on a period of history that I'm largely unfamiliar with; my speciality ranges from 1400-2000. That will teach me for skim-reading Blackadder's posts. -_-'

I'm Gaius Antonius Hybrida; I'd explain the character further but it seems that my role PM is just the third paragraph of the Wikipedia article, albeit paraphrased. As I stated earlier, I'm a Consul and immune to prosecution and exile, and it's in my best interests to follow Cicero; he's promised me land.

Well, I don't know what you try to achieve, Secura. If you tell the truth, it wouldn't make much sense to vote for you, just to try out your ability as we would loose a precious lynch that way. However, it could also be a clever ploy for keeping us from lynching you. (See no further than Renata in Zelda-Mafia)

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for now and Tullianium: White_Eyes to start putting some pressure on people DE suggested.

We should hit a mafia today though, town is already spreading pretty thin.

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Originally Posted by Joooray

we would loose a precious lynch that way.

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That would also be the case if you voted to execute me though, so it's very much catch-22.

YLC and WE simply didn't show up last round, IIRC.

Joooray, you seem to be taking the easy way out. What happens if WE doesn't show up? You just go for the lynch, hoping blindly to hit mafia. For all we know DE could be scum, though I doubt, I am leery of fact you simply jumped at his suggestion with nary a thought. Anything other than low activity makes WE scummy?

Also, it seems the only other person you find scummy besides the low activity posters is Secura? Because she self-voted a couple of times? I'll grant you that testing her power by wasting a lynch is not the best of plans, but how is that scummy and how is it keeping us from lynching her? I'm pretty sure its a null tell at worst, in all probability she isn't scum though.

Tullianium: Joooray

What do people think of a name claim? Helpful, unhelpful?

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Originally Posted by Secura

That would also be the case if you voted to execute me though, so it's very much catch-22.

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Sorry, I'm not quite following, or do you just mean it would make no difference if we would vote to exile or execute you, like you said before?

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Originally Posted by Joooray

Sorry, I'm not quite following, or do you just mean it would make no difference if we would vote to exile or execute you, like you said before?

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I think she means that if she is executed, its a wasted lynch because we would have killed a townie. At least that's how I understood it, since she said earlier she is immune to exile, but never said anything about execution.

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Originally Posted by TheFlax

Joooray, you seem to be taking the easy way out. What happens if WE doesn't show up? You just go for the lynch, hoping blindly to hit mafia. For all we know DE could be scum, though I doubt, I am leery of fact you simply jumped at his suggestion with nary a thought. Anything other than low activity makes WE scummy?

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True, I was never one to come up with good reasons to vote for someone, I'm more on the commenting on other cases side. So I admit, DE's accusation present a welcome possibility to jump on. Granted I was led by the believe DE wasn't mafia, because of his name and that there were still two individual night kills.

I'd be happy to comment any other case that comes up and maybe join it. Sorry, the time I have doesn't allowing much else. All I hoped was that my vote would spark discussion, which apparently it has, if that gets me lynched in the end so be it.

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Originally Posted by TheFlax

Also, it seems the only other person you find scummy besides the low activity posters is Secura? Because she self-voted a couple of times? I'll grant you that testing her power by wasting a lynch is not the best of plans, but how is that scummy and how is it keeping us from lynching her? I'm pretty sure its a null tell at worst, in all probability she isn't scum though.

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Well, if we were to trust Secura's claim, we wouldn't be testing her ability, because it's a wasted lynch. What better way is there to keep people from lynching oneself.
Especially in combination with a claim that she isn't proficient in the history of that particular period of time and thus making it unlikely she'd come up with a fake role that would make such an ability possible. Granted, such a prominent figure is most likely in the game and Secura would have been aware of that and if she is not that person we should have seen a counter-claim. However, she might have devised her abilities to that role.
Not saying Secura is a good lynch, but I don't think my case is completely without merits.

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Originally Posted by TheFlax

What do people think of a name claim? Helpful, unhelpful?

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Most probably not, I guess, I don't think CB would make the game so easy that one can decipher one's affiliation merely by the name. Also as stated elsewhere, who was on whose side is not that well documented after all, thus open to interpretation by our honourable GM.

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Originally Posted by TheFlax

I think she means that if she is executed, its a wasted lynch because we would have killed a townie. At least that's how I understood it, since she said earlier she is immune to exile, but never said anything about execution.

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Originally Posted by Secura

[...] I'm a Consul and immune to prosecution and exile, [...]

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That's what I interpreted as being immune to both. :shrug:

Interesting, how vehemently you defend Sec, btw. :smug:

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Originally Posted by TheFlax

I think she means that if she is executed, its a wasted lynch because we would have killed a townie. At least that's how I understood it, since she said earlier she is immune to exile, but never said anything about execution.

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That's correct; my ability states:

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As a sitting Consul you have Imperium which entails immunity from prosecution thus you may not be exiled at any point.

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Thus, I'm immune to exile and executing me is to remove yet another townie; catch-22, potential waste of a lynch either way, but at least an exile attempt would show that I told the truth and wouldn't just help the mafia on their way to victory.

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Originally Posted by Joooray

Well, if we were to trust Secura's claim, we wouldn't be testing her ability, because it's a wasted lynch. What better way is there to keep people from lynching oneself.

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I dunno, maybe not being honest about my ability (which was revealed with no actual pressure), keeping schtum in general and not posting would have been a better idea? ¬_¬

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Granted, such a prominent figure is most likely in the game and Secura would have been aware of that and if she is not that person we should have seen a counter-claim.

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How would I have been aware of that? I thought this game was a piece of fiction; if you're actually referring to my knowledge of history, then I'm sorry to inform you that I'm principally a modern-day historian, my speciality being events from 1896 (from the coronation of Tsar Nicholas II) to 1990 (the fall of the Berlin Wall and reunification of Germany) but I've got rough knowledge from 1400 onwards.

My knowledge of Ancient Rome (and indeed Greece and Egypt) is limited, in this case to the bare facts of Caesar and the expanding empire, as well as typical Roman living and worship; additionally, considering I learned this stuff back in 1999-2000 (when I was twelve!), it's all but forgotten anyway. It's actually the main reason I wish to teach 14-16 year olds rather than younger age-groups; I won't have to brush up on my 'ancient world' knowledge because much of the GCSE syllabus studies Russia, World War 1 & 2, the Weimar Republic and the Cold War.

As for name-claiming, I believe that it's a moot point; as I stated previously, I don't believe that there are any cover roles in this game because of the very nature of the mechanics. I think that the Cicero-Cataline face-off kinda limits role-revealing as you'd be painting yourself as a target if you were one of the more important roles.

Imagine if you were one of the two main Cicero followers (thus, town-aligned) and you revealed yourself in-thread after being pressed by the other players; you're then ensuring that you die the following night and render the reveal to be pointless.

I think Blackadder counted on this sense of restraint in role-reveals and thus didn't provide any cover roles in the game; it's entirely up to you and everyone else whether or not you believe that my role as Hybrida is fake, I can't really convince any more than I already have.

As for the earlier reference to Zelda, how about I refer to Inavi; where my name was mentioned as a lynch target, I did everything as I have here to defend myself and was lynched for it... only to be proven as an innocent?

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Originally Posted by Joooray

Interesting, how vehemently you defend Sec, btw. :smug:

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"Interesting" is such a scummy word Joooray :clown:

There's nothing vehement about what I said regarding Secura, I just think the whole voting for oneself is a null tell. Got anything else? And if you consider what you said about her a "case" then why voted WE instead of her?

Imo the best thing you can do is to wait for csargo to show up and vote for someone. He is bound to know more than the rest. That is if Romanic and Beskar wasn't his guardians. They were close friends of Csargo according to the writeup :shrug:.
For what it's worth, I think Secura is telling the truth.

Well, that sucked.

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Originally Posted by TheFlax

There's nothing vehement about what I said regarding Secura, I just think the whole voting for oneself is a null tell. Got anything else? And if you consider what you said about her a "case" then why voted WE instead of her?

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Because I don't actually think there is a good case against Secura. I was just presenting my train of thought, which then got out of hand. :wink:

Also, again, I don't think there is a strong case against W_E, however there is little good case against anybody and being silent has proven to be scummy at times, thus my vote.
But again, I'm happy to vote for somebody else, against who there is a better case, any time.

@GE: I doubt Cicero would be aware of the loyalty of a lot of people, as it would make it very easy for us to lynch the right ones. He may be able to investigate loyalty though, at least that would be an ability that would make sense in the setting.
Also he accused me last round, and since I know I'm not disloyal to the republic, he can't be aware of all the standings.

Tullianium: Joooray

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Originally Posted by Diamondeye

Protip: Play as Napoleon. He is insanely overpowered.

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I know, I was reading the Civilopedia, and saw France had two fecking unique gunpowder units. I might play as Rome for the Legions or as USA because we kick ass.

I hope I get Robert E. Lee if I play as Lincoln :tongue:

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Originally Posted by Secura

Great.

I signed up to this game believing that it was simply a piece of fiction when it actually seems to be based on a period of history that I'm largely unfamiliar with; my speciality ranges from 1400-2000. That will teach me for skim-reading Blackadder's posts. -_-'

I'm Gaius Antonius Hybrida; I'd explain the character further but it seems that my role PM is just the third paragraph of the Wikipedia article, albeit paraphrased. As I stated earlier, I'm a Consul and immune to prosecution and exile, and it's in my best interests to follow Cicero; he's promised me land.

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Here's some food for thought: what if Secura's PVC is to be exiled?

I'm willing to go with Csargo on this one... Its too late in the game to not be unified and being Cicero he is the one person we can all agree to trust...

Exile: Joooray

@Host, if we exile the mafia do we still win? or do we need to kill them? because if exile doesnt work I'm gonna go with a Tullianium instead..

Come on people :P we aren't going to catch the mafia by staying quiet... The lurkers need to start posting...

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Originally Posted by ByzantineKnight

if we exile the mafia do we still win? or do we need to kill them? because if exile doesnt work I'm gonna go with a Tullianium instead..

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Imo the exile seems a large part of the game and it is not impossible that a mafia would be gaining from an exile. You should just stick to lynches.

Tullianium: Joooray

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Originally Posted by Double A

what if Secura's PVC is to be exiled?

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I don't have a personal goal whatosever though; I only have to ensure all threats to the Republic are removed in order to receive the land promised to me by Cicero.

Tullianium: Joooray

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Originally Posted by Csargo

Tullianium: Joooray

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Wow, Cicero, you play your exposed role REALLY well ... all the explanation on voting me and all.

Anyway, the round should be over and I can tell you that I'm indeed loyal to the republic, so another chance to get mafia lost. Sucks when the town gives into silence, ladies and gentleman. :no:

No the round has some time to go as I was late in posting the night write up there is still some hours to go.

Well, already then, I though the round was 24h after your night write up so it should have ended this morning GMT.

Anyway, I doubt I will be able to convince anyone of my innocents. I'm Lucius Licinius Lucullus and "the greatest of all Optimites the finest example of the type that ever lived." I'm one of the older members of the senat and although my messenger Wiki Pedia has nothing to say about my role during the Catilinian incident, I can assure you that I'm far to happy with my position and my riches I acquired when I led the armies to have any interest in joining any uprising against the status quo of the republic. I suspect that it's rather the younglings that participate in such atrocities.

Tullianium:YLC where are you my lurker buddy? you FOS me and then you go missing...was I not good enough for you?~:mecry:

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Originally Posted by Joooray

Well, already then, I though the round was 24h after your night write up so it should have ended this morning GMT.

Anyway, I doubt I will be able to convince anyone of my innocents. I'm Lucius Licinius Lucullus and "the greatest of all Optimites the finest example of the type that ever lived." I'm one of the older members of the senat and although my messenger Wiki Pedia has nothing to say about my role during the Catilinian incident, I can assure you that I'm far to happy with my position and my riches I acquired when I led the armies to have any interest in joining any uprising against the status quo of the republic. I suspect that it's rather the younglings that participate in such atrocities.

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(Wouldn't it be Wikus Pedius?)