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What I think we should do is institute a mandatory one year of service for 18 year olds, whether it be helping build infrastructure, helping clean up areas, whatever. But it would also have a one month "boot camp" as Memmon said during which they learn basic firearm safety as well as the trade they will work in for the coming year.
Plus it would create jobs!
Plus people going into college will be more well-rounded individuals, and will probably not be as idiotic as they are now.
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Originally Posted by Hooahguy
If the wait for handgun license is about 6 months in NY, they should make it 3 if you take a State safety course. The state can suck it if it thinks they can enforce unpaid labor on kids. Not all of us live in the apartheid state of Israel, which thinks it can force it's people and others to do whatever it likes. This is 'Merica where we don't even need gun safety courses to get a license. Unless you live under the tin-pot dictator Bloomberg.
Who said anything about unpaid? Give them 50% off of college tuition. Give back to them for giving to their country. Also it would help our crumbling infrastructure. Have them fill potholes, or repave streets. Help farmers tend to their crops, or help fix up low-income housing.
Anyhow, we already have the selective service so I dont know what you are so butthurt over.
And not trying to derail the thread, I wouldnt call Israel an apartheid state. It definitely has racist aspects of it, but I wouldnt put it at the apartheid level. At least not until they ban arabs from government. And besides, the draft in Israel is done out of necessity. If they had a "professional" army then it would be a tiny force and not at all sufficient for their security needs.
In the United States we don't force kids into unpaid service for the communal good. I won't apologize for that. We have the selective service, we used to execute people for treason, we used to commit genocide against native peoples. We do things differently these days and going back to a time when Americans forced other Americans to work without payment are long gone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hooahguy
Offering kids college tuition for service is one thing, but I remember reading "mandatory" in your post. Purchasing service in an exchange is one thing, mandate is another. But I guess now the government can just tax kids to compel them into service, so maybe you have a point. So you'd prefer a "mandatory" but paid service. I call bull on that. Make the offer good enough and you won't have to mandate anything for the vast majority.
BTW, Israel is an apartheid state. It may be less terrible than South Africa, but there are different levels of "dictatorships" as well. and "democracies". Just because Assad is a terrible dictator, it doesn't mean that King Abdullah is not a dictator. Jewish Americans should be embarrassed everyday by that vile government and should work against the idea that anyone living in a state who doesn't follow a certain religion somehow does not have a right to be full and equal members of society. The minute Israel renounces the idea that the state is Jewish and adheres to an equal concept of justice, then they will stand out as an ally worth defending. As of now, they are just allies who pay lip service to the west and have fancier technologies than the barbarian hordes that surround them. But they are still a backwards state.
Anyway, guns - rifles - handguns. Back on track.
Internship? Unpaid overtime?Quote:
going back to a time when Americans forced other Americans to work without payment are long gone.
We had a draft genius.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICantSpellDawg
Really? I was unaware. I thought we merely had the selective service as I had mentioned above.Quote:
Originally Posted by Centurion1
No one forces internships and "unpaid overtime" is not unpaid, you're merely working harder the same pay. Both are choices, usually with a personal benefit of some value.Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
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Just as it is your choice to defy the state and face the consequences....Quote:
No one forces internships and "unpaid overtime" is not unpaid, you're merely working harder the same pay. Both are choices, usually with a benefit of some value.
Hahaha. You have an alluring idea of our road to prosperity. I am intrigued, please tell us more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
Are you this out of tune with american history?Quote:
Originally Posted by ICantSpellDawg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscri..._United_States
Mandate a life-time draft for all residents of the United States, merge the two major political parties, and induct all residents of the United States into the Single Party. This way, with the entire polity both members of the ruling party and the military, will provide for the most stable state ever.Quote:
Hahaha. You have an alluring idea of our road to prosperity. I am intrigued, please tell us more.
Is that what you want to hear? I'm merely pointing out the fallacy in treating state mandates and other mandates as functionally distinct.
Having some understanding of the selective service system implies a knowledge of the draft. Yes I am aware that there used to be a draft for the past 200 years on an off and that we maintain that capability in the selective service system. My point was that we used to use draconian measures to force thinking and activity but we have been getting further away from that. That progressive distance may go in reverse with an electorate that is becoming more tolerant of socialist and draconian policy making, but I have faith that we are overcoming that as a people.
I don't know you well enough to know if you are joking or not, but State mandates are distinct in that they have deadly or freedom destroying force behind them to a totally different extent than "other mandates". So yes, giving the government an expaned role in forcing people to do things is something that is shortsighted and awful and something that I thought we were leaving behind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Montmorency
You are claiming a difference of degree, not a difference of kind.Quote:
I don't know you well enough to know if you are joking or not, but State mandates are distinct in that they have deadly or freedom destroying force behind them to a totally different extent than "other mandates". So yes, giving the government an expaned role in forcing people to do things is something that is shortsighted and awful.
Elaborate.Quote:
shortsighted and awful.
Make it mandatory in exchange for a 50% decrease in tuition across the board. Bam, problem solved.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICantSpellDawg
Then you clearly have no idea of what an apartheid state is.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICantSpellDawg
Or you could just give them a 50% reduction if they do a year or 2 of qualified service.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_...rtheid_analogy
You just gave a link that cut both ways. Whats your point.Quote:
Originally Posted by ICantSpellDawg
He has none.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hooahguy
I always give links that cut both ways. I do this because nearly everything cuts both waysQuote:
Originally Posted by Hooahguy
When seconds count, the police are just minutes away.
Awesome, can I borrow thatQuote:
Originally Posted by PanzerJaeger