I hate to say this, but... leave the hall.
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I hate to say this, but... leave the hall.
~:rolleyes:
Edit-Damn, you deathmetal heads are soo freakin fanatical, if the music at any point gets more complex then some guy grunting, repetetive guitarrifts with no lead breaks that sound like steel plates grating against one another, boomcrash drumming with no rolls and a bassline you can't even hear you're all "OMFG DEY SUXXOR JOO S0LD OUT!!!!1!124331seven!!1"
Its like anything with any level of complexity or musicianship makes your brain hurt trying to contemplate it, so you lash out.
Actually, I just made a Manowar reference.
Geh, sorry, I'm just used to having to defend myself from all sides whenever I mention I like COF...sorry :bow:
Well, I wouldn't say CoF are great musicians. I actually find the music rather boring. I can't stand to listen to it anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zero1
Dimmu Borgir's older stuff is alright, I guess. I liked Enthrone Darkness Triumphant, but it was mostly for the way the piano was layered. I never CoB at all...too much like power metal. Amorphis had one catchy song, but I didn't like the rest of it I heard.
In any case, it has nothing to do with musicianship or technical ability. The musicians who play technical DM are far beyond the bands you listed in terms of talent and proficiency, and I'm not just arguing with you because we have different tastes in music.
Well, provide an example, what do you mean by technical proficency.
I mean, COB have a note for note riff for riff KB guitar interplay that I have yet to see duplicated. Amorphis' lead guitarist has an EXCELLENT blues style of playing with plenty of technical lead breaks.
When I listen to say Morbid Angel or any of the more classical Deathmetal bands, I first of all hear no lead breaks in the guitarwork and that puts me off immediately, and the drumming sounds more like booming and crashing then a roll.
I've always liked Dimmy Borgir, and I've always heard people say their new stuff isnt good but I still fail to see how.
Well, what do you mean by "musicianship"? Here, have you heard of Cryptopsy, Necrophagist or, say, Severed Savior? They're technical DM. It's tight, it's groovy, and it's very, very difficult to play.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zero1
I find most Morbid Angel boring too. The new album's not bad, though. Good music for drinking and playing pool.
I find CoB formulaic and predictable. I fight with my friends over this all the time.
The thing with Dimmu Borgir and CoF is that they DID sell out. Their early albums sound nothing like they new ones do. The latest Dimmu Borgir is okay, I guess, but it's a step down, even from Puritanical Euphoric Misanthropia, which wasn't that great either (but Puritania was a nice one-off track).
Oh, yeah. Have you heard Nile? Tell me you've heard Nile.
There's generally nothing wrong with melodic and fusion death metal, in contrirary it's great. But Pestilence had such a good thing going on their second album, and their later ones were just average.
I listened to the kind of bands you mention before, but now it's party metal for me, never listening to it alone. i'm a former iced earth and blind guardian fan actually, and I still think their older stuff is great, but they have all gone berserk now with experimenting. have seen CoB three times live now, and I must say it's some of the greatest concerts I've been to, even though I've been pretty much passed out. mush pits, crowd surfing, chicks flashing... good rock'n roll. though I don't think they're the most technical musicians, they are in a pretty high degree show offs, totally guitar mastrubation ~D have you heard two-three songs, you've pretty much heard them all, in my opinion. janne wirrmann(sp) is great btw
I don't really care about the amount of technical stuff anymore, it's the music that counts. though I prefer technical music.
gimme chuck shuldiner (rip) on guitar and vocals, paul masvidal on 2nd guitar, steve digiorgio on bass and gene hoglan on drums, you've pretty much got the best musicians ever together. oh that's nearly the lineup on human
I have yet to see chuck's music being "duplicated"... so many have tried, but nobody ever come near
I agree enthroned is the best dimmu album, and the two latest isn't quite there.
early manowar rules
hell, I love jeff tweedy, johnny cash and even bluegrass appeals to me
i think cof is totally sellout... I require at least some artistic integrity
if you want to hear technical stuff that's pretty melodic, get a hand of martyr's "warp zone". It's so great.... one of the best albums this decade, yet so undiscovered
I just couldn't resist... not that this is technical death metal, more like heavy metal with distorted vocals, but anyway it's something I made a couple of years ago. haven't got so much opinions on them so... well I know I don't sing that well, but I don't know anybody else either that's avaliable. the drums are programmed, but by me so it's almost like I'm playing them myself, right? ~D
http://rapidshare.de/files/5167845/A...strom.mp3.html
http://rapidshare.de/files/5168140/A...hered.mp3.html
http://rapidshare.de/files/5168283/A...rizon.mp3.html
(btw artefact was my "band"-name, but then I discovered somebody had already taken that name when I stumbeled into a concert... damn have to find another name)
Wow Scion, that's some serious stuff! Really nice!
I still don't see how Dimmu Borgir sold out, their style just developed and changed alot over the years and I see that as a good thing myself, I mean, when a band just keeps putting out stuff that sounds exactly the same it gets booring. People say the same thing about, say Iron Maiden sometimes, like back when they first brought in the synthesizers and everyone was "aweeee they sold out, they're a pussy band now!" etc. etc. and I still liked them, and hell, I still like them now.
True, Dimmu Borgir's old stuff was "different" but just because their sound changes doesnt mean they sold out, I mean, if you pull a Metalica and just flat out stop trying then yeah, you've sold out but I don't see that in Dimmu.
COF doesnt really sound all that predictable to me, Adrian is still a great drummer and Paul has always been a good guitarist...that and Dani's vocals are still distnictive, its not easy to get that shrill high. I don't think they've compromised their musical integrity, could you clarify what you mean by that?
I love Blind-Guardian and Iced Earth, the more experimenting the better IMHO, and PLEASE tell me you've heard of Opeth, they're like friggen Jazz-Metal at times. And yes, I have heard of Nile.
Oh, and I have to say I must disagree with you about Bodom, their distinctive rift for rift note for note style of guitar/KB interplay shines through uniquely in each track. Its like, if you listen to them seperately it sounds kind of repetetive but you have to listen to how they play off of eachother, the interplay they can create is downright amazing sometimes.
And Bluegrass?, The Greatful Dead?, anyone?
I agree repeating themself is quite boring. Thing about maiden I think is that they try to go back to their old thing and don't succeed... I've listened to them quite a lot(!) and what stands left is the two first albums... blaze's time was quite different, but nice I thought at the moment. but it's not maiden at all, really. they don't pull it of.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zero1
I don't think Dimmu sold out either. Not their fault Nuclear Blast launched some real cinema commercials ~D quite funny though for an evil norwegian black metal band. I don't think definition fits them anymore though, more like heavy metal/trash metal. "Allhelgens død i helvetes rike" is a hell of a title though, and have a great mid-section.
Agree, as long as the outcome is good. It's not. It's hard for me to admit, but it isn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zero1
Opeth rules. Still life
Compromising musical integrity is "playing the right strings". Making money that is. From the black metal point of view their later music is not black at all. It's of course allowed to make different music, but when it's radio friendly black metal my doubts kick in. also when he shows his child in a metal magazine, and "danni invites you home to his house" I'm starting to doubt his musicianship. really. it disgusts me. but they have some good tunes though, no doubt about that. it's taste, like anything else. selling out is about choosing money above musicQuote:
Originally Posted by Zero1
I respect your opinion on this and I sort of agree, but in my subjective opinion I highly disagree. For me it's quite boring and don't do me that much good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zero1
Yeah good old southern american folk music with banjos and harmonies. Love it at the moment, mostly in connection with drinking ~DQuote:
Originally Posted by Zero1
thanks ~DQuote:
Originally Posted by LegioXXXUlpiaVictrix
Well, I loved Blind-Guardian's latest album myself and "And Then There Was Silence" is still one of my favorite songs of all time, on Iced Earth however I think their latest album wasnt very good...other then the three-part Rock Opera Gettysburg which I think kicked ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by ScionTheWorm
and then there was silence was kick ass, I even have the single.. actually I listened more to that than to the cd as a whole. ie's gettysburg triology I didn't like. but then again I'm not an american patriot (like jon schaffer who has opened an american-history things shop :laugh:), or even the sound on their whole album. too little riffing, too much swada.
I'm not a patriot, just a history lover, and well, for me, that trilogy wasnt really about the music as much as it was about the scene it portrayed, and thats really what it was intended to do.
As I listened I could seriously picture the innitial skirmishing in the town, the battle of Little Roundtop "my favorite battle of the civil war" and the final battle of Gettysburg. It was more like a Rock-Opera then a metal album for me.
Ugh. Opeth either makes me mad or puts me to sleep. Really - I borrowed Blackwater Park from a friend of mine and fell asleep on the couch listening to it..twice.
Iced Earth is just as bad. I'm not interested in infinite sadness or the American Revolution, either, so the subject matter does nothing for me.
Also, I hate power metal. Blind Guardian is one of the better acts, but it all irks me.
Hey, Martyr's playing in my city tonight! I'll get Mammaries to take some pics or something.
So you've heard of Nile, but have you listened to it?
"Heavy Metal, or no metal at all!"
Well, some prefer music, some prefer noise ~D
night of the stormrider is great.
martyr was playing in your city? as in technical death metal martyr? shit... you're so lucky
They look great if it had been late danish vikings... because norman soldiers look like this:Quote:
Originally Posted by skeletor
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The helmet you gave them are a typpical viking one only used for a short period of time in the early viking era..
Great idea for sicilian Normans but not saxons for saxons it would be better with the traditional nasal helmet or the same as your other saxon cavalry just with some more mail and a nicer helmet with some gold ornament or something like that. infact the saxons didn't use heavy cavalry.. thats one of the reasons Wilhelm the conquere brought his cavalry ~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ScionTheWorm
right, we discussed the saxon army list not long ago. there will be more infantry and less cavalry (I think). this model won't be used anyway though, it was made without too much research
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Irish Croisakinna and Rastriagha
Try listening to someone like Cauldron Born or The Lord Weird Slough Feg - awesome power metal without all the floweriness usually associated with the genre. Twisted Tower Dire fit the bill as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeonGod
Saxons used a cavalry that could be called either heavy or medium, depending on how you define the words. The heaviest saxon cavalry wore chainmail and there was also cavalry with throwing spears etc. The cavalry was rare, but the saxons definitely had the knowledge needed for training of heavy cavalry. The main problem for them was the cost and the difficulties of creating a strong cavalry in the English fairly unfertile landscape, just like was the case for the later Norman English. Only during a shorter period between 1066 and the 13th century was the English army cavalry based. Now, if the saxons would have conquered more land, they'd probably have been able to train more cavalry of this type if desired. That is reflected in our tech tree and recruitment system.Quote:
Originally Posted by tutankamon
Well that explaines a lot ~D when will it be finnished? and what of the buildings? you can't use the original buildingsQuote:
Originally Posted by LegioXXXUlpiaVictrix
Just caught the metal discussion here. Opeth is truly excellent, and a great live band to boot. Nile is also good; they were brutal live.
Anyone into Strapping Young Lad; I really like City, not so keen on more recent albums.
We haven't got any releasedate yet, and it's hard to estimate.
We will have to redo alot of the buildings. With slight modifications, some of the eastern buildings can be used for the muslim factions. Allso some of the barbarian buildings isn't to far off from the viking buildings. But when it comes to the central european, and steppe factions, i guess we have to redo allmost all of them.
-Skle-
Ow, twist the knife. ~:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Zero1
"..wimps and posers...leave the hall!"
Well, they're Canadian, and based not far from here. I ended not going...baked all night instead. Molasses is metal.Quote:
Originally Posted by ScionTheWorm
Eh...I'm not in any rush to try more power metal, but I'll keep your suggestion in mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spongly
City was great, I agree. Still hate Opeth, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Geoffrey S