New Mafia Game: Rise of the Mob [Concluded]

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Originally Posted by Dutch_guy

EDIT:but then again, Sasaki, did Phil ever make it this far in a game ?

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I have explained myself earlier in this game but I'll do it again :shame: sigh

My former method was of posting just enough so I wasn't regarded as a lurker but also was overlooked by villagers and mafiosi. This worked like a charm in the first few rounds but after that I constantly got killed. Once I was lynched and the other times I got killed when the mafia started to eliminate all the 'less active' players (something that happens almost every time).

Yes I have survived one mafia game: cosa nuova. But wasn't it for the doctor I would have been killed just like all the other times.


So, is this reason enough for you guys to change my behavior?

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Originally Posted by Peasant Phill

I have explained myself earlier in this game but I'll do it again :shame: sigh

My former method was of posting just enough so I wasn't regarded as a lurker but also was overlooked by villagers and mafiosi. This worked like a charm in the first few rounds but after that I constantly got killed. Once I was lynched and the other times I got killed when the mafia started to eliminate all the 'less active' players (something that happens almost every time).

Yes I have survived one mafia game: cosa nuova. But wasn't it for the doctor I would have been killed just like all the other times.


So, is this reason enough for you guys to change my behavior?

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I wasn't looking for an explanation why you posted more Phill, i was merely asking [Sasaki, or anyone for that matter] if you had ever survived this long. Nothing more, really.

You did give me an insightful answer though...

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Originally Posted by Dutch_guy

I thought you didn't hold grudges over games ?

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Did you not know of the recent development that Sasaki was permaexclusalisted... :laugh4:

No Dg, I'm going after the weak reasons Sasaki always gives to lynch people...

That carries over multiple games... :wink:

It is a weak reason. I've been too involved in Mafia V endgame to do the necassary re-reads. Phill could be ok.

I'd go with Don instead.

Well, I suppose it had to happen at some point. Sasaki pretty much points the finger at everyone in the game at some point or another. You do know how much noise you send out and drown out any hope we have of actually getting a coherent theory going, right? I mean, I understand the point, you accuse, then I respond. You decide if you think I'm guilty based on the response. But in employing this method, you drown out any hope we have of actually examining evidence already in existence.

So, I can't actually respond to your charge, as you didn't give any reasons. You suggest I'm mafia. I suggest that I'm not. That's pretty much all your accusation warrants, sorry.

And while we're at it Sasaki, why are you giving Kagemusha a free pass on his false reveal? If he IS the detective, why hasn't he posted any more findings? I offered a theory for HIS behavior. Far more troubling, to me, is your blind acceptance of his lame story. You don't find it bizarre that 1) a detective was allowed to live and 2) that he's only offered one piece of evidence through the 5 rounds since he revealed?

What's up with you? :inquisitive:

Don Kage has posted his finding from every round... while he hasnt told us anything new since prole really since al lthe people he investigated were killed as he investigated them...

The detective has a charmed life after a reveal - the more doubt people throw on the reveal the less likely the mafia will kill him - they want him lynched as then no-one will believe the list of innocents/guilty's - eventually the risk of letting him live out weighs the risk of being caught and they will kill him - i think we should give kage one or two more rounds and if they havent killed him by then its getting a little off

also now we have confirmation of an incoming WoC (Wrath of Csar) dont vote for inactives as unless they vote they are fish food anyway

so for the moment im going to:

Vote Don C

his constant attacks on kage seem a touch over the top

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Don Kage has posted his finding from every round... while he hasnt told us anything new since prole really since al lthe people he investigated were killed as he investigated them...

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Do you not find that strange? He posts his findings after the kills so he knows who is dead. He can then post safe 'investigations'. What are the odds that he randomly selects a mafia, and three people who get offed as he investigates them? I don't buy it. Lynch lynch lynch the Kage.

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Originally Posted by JimBob

Do you not find that strange? He posts his findings after the kills so he knows who is dead. He can then post safe 'investigations'. What are the odds that he randomly selects a mafia, and three people who get offed as he investigates them? I don't buy it. Lynch lynch lynch the Kage.

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Lynch JimBob.

I suggested Seamus to Kage before the kills were posted and he said he would investigate him, so I know Kage hasn't been doing what JimBob is accusing him of.

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Originally Posted by Don Corleone

And while we're at it Sasaki, why are you giving Kagemusha a free pass on his false reveal? If he IS the detective, why hasn't he posted any more findings? I offered a theory for HIS behavior. Far more troubling, to me, is your blind acceptance of his lame story. You don't find it bizarre that 1) a detective was allowed to live and 2) that he's only offered one piece of evidence through the 5 rounds since he revealed?

What's up with you? :inquisitive:

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It makes zero sense as a mafia ploy. It's round one so the real detective is almost certainly alive. Going from history you are almost certainly going to be lynched. We'll probably lynch him even though we believe him just to be sure.

As for my noisy methods, they work for me. Although this game I think I'll just let things go. The mafia are killing off people who could be suspects and we have a protected detective. Better strategy to just let things slide along.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

Lynch JimBob.

I suggested Seamus to Kage before the kills were posted and he said he would investigate him, so I know Kage hasn't been doing what JimBob is accusing him of.

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Which is it, me or JimBob, or any of the other 20 people you've thrown mud at so far? Doesn't anybody ever call you on being a hinderance?

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Originally Posted by Don Corleone

Which is it, me or JimBob, or any of the other 20 people you've thrown mud at so far? Doesn't anybody ever call you on being a hinderance?

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Hey, at least I don't try to convince people that you are mafia after you've been killed :tongue3:

I don't think you're mafia. I haven't tried to convince anyone of that either. I just think that your splatter technique drowns out a lot of not so obvious clues.

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Originally Posted by Kagemusha

Well i dont have an suspect for you this round either. I investigated Seamus and he was innocent. Vote Csar.First i will get a Mafioso and then only dead people?

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That's unfortunate. :shame:

Phill hadn't seemed particularly suspicious to me until he so quickly jumped on me after Seamus fingered the two of us. It wasn't Seamus' accusation, but Phill's response which was to blame the alternative (me) as quickly as possible. That makes me think Seamus may have flushed him out.

Vote: Peasant Phill

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

Lynch JimBob.

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I do think he's a reasonable choice, but right now it seems more likely that Seamus flushed out Phill. I'd say investigate JimBob, lynch Phill- however the opposite would work just as well.

Just to make this clear Jimbob and Seamus are dead. They were both killed.

oops lol

Im going to vote Hepcat. I might have been after wrong people lately since the mafia keeps just killing of all the experienced players, this looks to me like a move from unexperienced player.

5 players have each earned one vote:

Disco (Don C), Don C (Moody), Hepcat (Kagemusha), Phil (Xiahou), Silver (Dutch), Xiahou (Phil).

Abstain has also earned one vote (Hepcat).

5 votes have not been cast (3 from chronic non-voters: Disco, Silver, Warluster), the two regulars who have yet to vote are Husar and Reenk.

Thoughts:

Phil's explanation for limited voting is, of course, plausible. Believability is not assured by this, however, as he himself noted.

I have been non-plussed by Kag's ability to detect only the innocence of the very recently demised after round one. However, to his credit, he is investigating the more active posters first, and the mafia is clearly targeting them. The coincidence is possible.

Quick thoughts:

JimBob's death surprises me. He was a prime suspect, so either this mafia is:
a) not really paying attention to the thread
b) a newbie
c) taunting us.

I am particularly worried about A and C.

Kage's reveal still seems genuine to me. He matches the behavior of his previous reveal (Cosa Nuova), in which he did so when facing no personal danger. His replies from Csar also seem genuine based on writing style.

Don has had a skeptical nature in all the games he's played - IIRC. This distrust of Kage could be Don being Don, or it could be cover.

I am still convinced of Kage's innocence. Since we have no real leads, I urge that Don be given the chop. Kage - if you're playing us all, a job well done my friend. :bow:

The mafia are bothering me a lot. Their kills are getting simple to the point of apathy... Csar has told us that he had to lengthen their kills before, and actually gave a warning to the Mafia this round...

Like many others have put forward, this most likely is either an incredibly new and clueless Mafia or an incredibly brilliant and experienced Mafia. The fact that we have no leads has me pointing to the latter...

Then again, the fact that we have no clues means we have no one to work with, and so I'm going to have to go against the newbies.

Sorry Hepcat, but my vote's for you. Your post actually made me think of a new Mafia strategy: a new Mafia who wants to act like a veteran Mafia by acting like a new one...

EDIT: I just noticed that once again, Kage's investigations were killed... The Mafia is getting to them before he even reveals them. This is getting rid of some of my support, because now that it happened again, I can't accept such a "coincidence", but on the other hand, GH was killed too. :dizzy2:

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Originally Posted by Reenk Roink

EDIT: I just noticed that once again, Kage's investigations were killed... The Mafia is getting to them before he even reveals them. This is getting rid of some of my support, because now that it happened again, I can't accept such a "coincidence", but on the other hand, GH was killed too. :dizzy2:

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I guess this got lost in the shuffle somewhere:

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Originally Posted by pm's

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

try investigating peasant phill

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Originally Posted by Kagemusha

Good suggestion. I have already investigated for the next round.But if i dont get killed this night or lynched next day, i was thinking of investigating either Peasant Phil or Seamus Fermanagh.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

Yeah Seamus would be a better choice.

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Originally Posted by Kagemusha

Ok.Seamus is next.

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All from before Seamus was killed obviously.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

I guess this got lost in the shuffle somewhere:




All from before Seamus was killed obviously.

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Just like my kills. ;)

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Originally Posted by Csar

Just to make this clear Jimbob and Seamus are dead. They were both killed.

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Well, Im sticking with Phill- when the two of us were presented as suspects he seemed very quick to throw me under the bus.

Oh well, since I am prime suspect now I guess I will just vote for someone.

Vote Xiahou

What reason for that vote?

Well since Phill clearly isnt getting lynched this round I'll avoid a runoff and

unvote
Vote: Hepcat

Hopefully our man Kage will investigate Phill then.

I don't have a reason, I just randomly picked someone since I am probably going to die anyway.

Vote: Hepcat

He mentioned that he's going down, so naturally I had to jump on him.

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Shouldn't have told you I was being voted against.
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Right:
Unvote: Xiahou
Vote: discovery1

Under Sigurd's "Rule of Three," Discovery1's vote for Hepcat indicates that Disco is a mafioso. It should be noted, however, that Sigurd has suggested that close back/forth voting such as this round's is not the best forum for applying his rule.