Mafia VI: Night of the Day of the Dawn of the Return of the Mafia [Concluded]

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Originally Posted by HughTower

Re: lynching 'bad townies'

Seamus/Sasaki - why shouldn't we, if they hinder the town? Rather a bad townie than a good one, surely?

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A townie is still a townie. We want to try and lynch mafia every round.

What do bad townies do that hinders the town more than wasting a lynch? And does lynching them guarantee they will stop?

Disco has an abnormal posting pattern for this game, and not a single useful post among them. Reenk has taken over from Ice as his preferred target, but he's still voting in the same old manner, and we know how monothemism helps mask mafia activity (that being his strategy in M4).

Unvote: Kagemusha
Vote: discovery1

Edit: Added the unvote part for GH's convenience.
2nd edit: Get the unvote right if you're going to add it. Idiot.

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Originally Posted by Pannonian

Disco has an abnormal posting pattern for this game, and not a single useful post among them. Reenk has taken over from Ice as his preferred target, but he's still voting in the same old manner, and we know how monothemism helps mask mafia activity (that being his strategy in M4).

Unvote: Kommodus
Vote: discovery1

Edit: Added the unvote part for GH's convenience.

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Reenk is following the same strategy.

Unvote: Reenk

Vote: Destroyer of Hope since he's the closest one to me in number of votes.

May I remind you that it was not a strategy when I was mafia anymore then a mafia maintaining a consistant playstyle is a mafia strategy. Oh look, Saski is doing his thing, better lynch him.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

A townie is still a townie. We want to try and lynch mafia every round.

What do bad townies do that hinders the town more than wasting a lynch?

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If we know someone is a townie, then we should not lynch them, even if they are hindering the town.

We do not know this about Ichigo, & his actions are more helpful to the Mafia than the town.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

And does lynching them guarantee they will stop?

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:wall:

Of course, it will! All he has done is vote-hop & bandwagon - which he can't do when he's dead.

Hughtower is awfully active for someone who's dead. Did we lynch a mafia and is he trying to put us on the wrong track?

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Originally Posted by Stig

Hughtower is awfully active for someone who's dead. Did we lynch a mafia and is he trying to put us on the wrong track?

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That is possible. When I was mafia, I fought hard to keep the town off of the Masy even after I was dead. Much more then ever before, even when alive.

Seeing as he jumped on the fact that Sigurd voted Pevergreen:

Vote: Pevergreen, yes he might be a townie, but just as much as all the others we're voting for, in Pevergreens case even a little more.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

Unvote,Vote:Xiahou

bandwagon+poor reason.

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Were I a more punitive person, I'd change my vote for Sasaki at this point for the same reasons he lists. One vote isn't a bandwagon and I gave a reason- which is more than you did in voting for me.

I believed Destro's explanation (for now)- thus the unvote. There are a few others I'd add to my suspect list, but doing so publicly would only make the mafia's job easier.

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Originally Posted by Xiahou

Were I a more punitive person, I'd change my vote for Sasaki at this point for the same reasons he lists. One vote isn't a bandwagon and I gave a reason- which is more than you did in voting for me.

I believed Destro's explanation (for now)- thus the unvote. There are a few others I'd add to my suspect list, but doing so publicly would only make the mafia's job easier.

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Right, so Redleg voted Ichigo and persued him in several posts, Andres Questioned Ichigo, HughTower accused Ichigo and put him in his sig as #1 suspect, but there was no wagon on him? Ichigo is very lynchable today->voting for him is bandagon. Your reason is "he looks like he's protecting a role" which isn't even an accusation of guilty, and you don't explain. My vote gave two reasons: bandwagon and poor vote.

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Originally Posted by HughTower

If we know someone is a townie, then we should not lynch them, even if they are hindering the town.

We do not know this about Ichigo, & his actions are more helpful to the Mafia than the town.

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Ichigo is the last person we want to focus on early. We're bound to get more info on him as the game progresses. We need to get as many people to talk each round as we can, that way we have something to go back and look at.

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Of course, it will! All he has done is vote-hop & bandwagon - which he can't do when he's dead.

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You can. You're votes just don't count.

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Originally Posted by HughTower

Caius - see the links in my signature for my reasoning (if you can bothered :laugh4:).

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Now I did it. :grin2::beam:

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Originally Posted by Stig

Hughtower is awfully active for someone who's dead. Did we lynch a mafia and is he trying to put us on the wrong track?

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Stig, you are wrong.He is not mafioso.

If there is a only mafioso, why two deaths?

Can he reveal his PM, GH?

There are always two kills no matter how many mafia are alive.

Mafiosi are not allowed to reveal their PMs, but Detectives are, if they're still alive.

Sasaki - Well, I think you're arguing your case from a perspective of playing with Ichigo over a period of time, a perspective that I don't have. Both perspectives have their pros & cons, & neither will convince the other at this point in time.

I feel your challenging of Xiahou is inconsistent with your defence of Ichigo, however, as I mentioned earlier.

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Originally Posted by Stig

Hughtower is awfully active for someone who's dead. Did we lynch a mafia and is he trying to put us on the wrong track?

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Stig - That's the second time you've mentioned your surprise at my activity post-demise (hey, that rhymes, cool man :beatnik:). I asked you about it last time too, & you ignored the question (but, seeing as you didn't bother to find out who the town had lynched, no real surprise there).

Probability says you didn't lynch a mafia in me, yet you choose to believe my activity equals scum. I suggest you try to challenge the living, rather than picking a debate with the dead.

:skull: :angel: :skull: :angel:

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

Right, so Redleg voted Ichigo and persued him in several posts, Andres Questioned Ichigo, HughTower accused Ichigo and put him in his sig as #1 suspect, but there was no wagon on him?

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So 1 vote last round and a couple of inquiries makes a vote this round a bandwagon? :dizzy2:
Absolute nonsense. His responses to previous inquiries were very odd and are what make me thing he's protecting a role.

I'm comfortable with my vote.

I find it interesting that Sasaki Kojiro has been unable to even attempt to respond to my arguments. He ignores any sort of valuable discourse, and merely resorts to quips and potshots at me, making claims but not arguments, trying very much to start a bandwagon. At least Destroyer of Hope has given up on this pattern and has explained his new found interest in the game.

As long as Sasaki Kojiro is not found innocent by a convincing mean (a genuine detective reveal) or somebody else has been found to be quite damned as a Mafia, I will vote for him. Hopefully we lynch him and then he can only harm the town with his words (which would be easily remedied if I could ignore moderators on the board) and not a tangible vote (voting actually has a slight importance :shocked:).

Unvote: Destroyer of Hope
Vote: Sasaki Kojiro

Vote: Discovery1 -- sorry, edited to bold this.

As has been stated, his posting style is somewhat different than I am used to from him.

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Originally Posted by Xiahou

So 1 vote last round and a couple of inquiries makes a vote this round a bandwagon? :dizzy2:
Absolute nonsense. His responses to previous inquiries were very odd and are what make me thing he's protecting a role.

I'm comfortable with my vote.

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The vote and the discussion were both this round. Most of this round has been discussion on Ichigo. He is the foremost candidate. Ergo, bandwagon.

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Stig - That's the second time you've mentioned your surprise at my activity post-demise (hey, that rhymes, cool man ). I asked you about it last time too, & you ignored the question (but, seeing as you didn't bother to find out who the town had lynched, no real surprise there).

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Don't try to protect yourself

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Probability says you didn't lynch a mafia in me, yet you choose to believe my activity equals scum. I suggest you try to challenge the living, rather than picking a debate with the dead.

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I try to, but you keep posting, go to heaven m8. If the death post too much they're suspicious.

Voting over.

Execution will be up shortly.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

You can. You're votes just don't count.

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Sometimes they do... :smash:

Poor discovery1. All he ever did was hate a rival school. Yet he kept getting persecuted for it by the supposedly peaceful, loving, Frontroom. This wasn't the first time, either. He vaguely remembered another instance in which he was persecuted, lynched even, for the very same crime! But, he couldn't have been lynched - here he was, alive! For a little while, anyway.

Disco put the thoughts of previous lives out of his mind and pulled out a gun. He may be going down, but at least Reenk Roink would go down with him...

...the swarm of villagers around him quickly overwhelmed him and took the gun out of his hands. He was on the ground, defeated and defenseless. Somebody kicked him in the chest, making him gasp and roll over.

The villagers, giving him no time to recover, hauled him to his feet and pushed him over to the execution platform, where Chief of Police Beirut was waiting with a mummification table and a long silver instrument that looked as if it hadn't been cleaned properly from its last use. Disco shuddered.

"discovery1," he said to Disco, "You have hereby been found guilty of murder. Do you have any last words?"

Disco grinned. "Yes," he proclaimed, and then after a pause: "MICHIGAN SUCKS! REENK SUCKS! FOR THE CHIEF! HAHAHAHA FOR THE CHIEF! WOOOOO!"

Beirut smirked. "Oh, yeah, did you hear?" he asked. "The Chief is dead, too. UIUC is replacing Chief Illiniwek."

Totally defeated, Disco couldn't even muster a Darth Vader-like scream of "NOOOOOOOOO!" He accepted his fate silently.

Here is the vote summary for Round 2:

discovery1: 5 (Sigurd Fafnesbane, Destroyer of Hope, Sir Moody, Pannonian, Seamus Fermanagh) :skull:
Ichigo: 2 (Redleg, Xiahou)
pevergreen: 2 (AndresTheCunning, Stig)
Destroyer of Hope: 1 (discovery1)
Sasaki Kojiro: 1 (Reenk Roink)
Sigurd Fafnesbane: 1 (Kommodus)
Redleg: 1 (Ichigo)
Xiahou: 1 (Sasaki Kojiro)

Abstained: 7 (Dutch_guy, pevergreen, CountArach, ByzantineKnight, Rythmic, Sir Boo, Caius Flaminius)
Didn't vote: 9 (Kagemusha, Fenring, Lord Motep of Kendermore, Crazed Rabbit, JimBob, Ignoramus, Warluster, sapi, ChuggtheSquirrel)

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Still alive: (29)
Kagemusha
Sasaki Kojiro
Xiahou
Stig
Fenring
Lord Motep of Kendermore
Sir Boo
Ichigo
Pannonian
Crazed Rabbit
Redleg
Reenk Roink
JimBob
pevergreen
Ignoramus
CountArach
Rythmic
ByzantineKnight
Warluster
AndresTheCunning
sapi
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Sir Moody
Seamus Fermanagh
Dutch_guy
Caius Flaminius
Destroyer of Hope
ChuggtheSquirrel
Kommodus

Killed:
UltraWar
Omanes Alexandrapolites the Idiot
Zalmoxis
Orb

Executed:
HughTower
discovery1

Go mafia. Butcher the town.

Edit: UNless of course Reenk and/or Sigurd are mafia. then you can die. Actually, might want to look at Sigurd. he voices suspicions of Reenk, and then votes for me. What's up with that?

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Originally Posted by HughTower

Ichigo's Day 1 vote history:

1. Sasaki - no reason given
2. ChuggtheSquirrel - no reason given
3. pevergreen - reason given was "On second thought Pever is a better candidate."
4. Hughtower - no reason given at time of vote

Ichigo's Day 1 (self admitted) bandwagon history:

1. pevergreen
2. Hughtower

So, I can make a mistake, yet you ask us to assume that you are not foolish enough to make one yourself.:no:

It is common practice to give an explanation at time of voting for reasons as you know well enough. I asked you why. You still haven't answered that. In what way(s) are you helping the town?

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No, yours wasn't a mistake your behavior was more of anger and that you were insulted by Sigurds post, those aren't mistake's those are emotions.

Why do you choose to attack me and not everyone else who made bandwagon's and vote's with no reason behind them? You must just be mad because I put the deciding vote on you. :inquisitive:

Edit: Oh and I did give a reason for voting for Pever
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...5&postcount=94

Damn, missed the vote.

Not sure about Discovery, but there's 2 people I do find suspicious, Ichigo for his rather odd behavious (voting on people without giving reason, his lackluster defense against Redleg for example) but not as odd as Sasaki's rather fierce defense of him.

Well, it's night now, so pevergreen has 24 hours to explain his third vote on Sasaki at the beginning of the game. I also would like to hear more from Redleg, who casted the second vote on Sasaki, previous to pevergreen's vote. :inquisitive:

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Originally Posted by Ichigo

Edit: Oh and I did give a reason for voting for Pever
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...5&postcount=94

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Yup, you did give a reason for voting Pever, but you didn't give one for voting HughTower. You just posted "Unvote:whoever, Vote:HughTower".
In other games you always mentioned your reason for voting. So I still wonder why you voted him. It was also the 5th vote on him. Did you vote to make sure a townie got lynched? Please tell me Csar, why did you vote HughTower and why didn't you bother to give any explanation while voting?

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Originally Posted by discovery1

Oh look, Saski is doing his thing, better lynch him.

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Finally, he lurks in the mini-mafia, I was wondering if he would ever start again...

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Originally Posted by Ichigo

No, yours wasn't a mistake your behavior was more of anger and that you were insulted by Sigurds post, those aren't mistake's those are emotions.

Why do you choose to attack me and not everyone else who made bandwagon's and vote's with no reason behind them? You must just be mad because I put the deciding vote on you. :inquisitive:

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You called it my 'mistake' first, Ichigo. I was using your terminology (see post #219).

Because you did it 4 times in lynch cycle & only gave a reason after you were challenged on it. No-one else comes close.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

The vote and the discussion were both this round. Most of this round has been discussion on Ichigo. He is the foremost candidate. Ergo, bandwagon.

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Originally Posted by Mafia Glossary

Bandwagoning: When you vote for someone purely because they have already received votes. Used by the mafia in Game II, but is now apt to get you executed.

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Actually, Sasaki, ergo non id est.

Discussion & voting are not the same (hence, the dead can discuss, but not vote).

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Originally Posted by HughTower

Actually, Sasaki, ergo non id est.

Discussion & voting are not the same (hence, the dead can discuss, but not vote).

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It doesn't have to be votes. I noticed this many times in TGFI. I would accuse somebody with some argument, but not vote them. People would still jump on my logic--hence bandwagon. Going after a popular candidate without good reason is bandwagoning. The popular is the important part.