No econ this about AG telling me OOC that we can interact in a certain way and then making sure my character suffered adversly IC when I did it. This became a total goat !@#$ :furious3:Quote:
Originally Posted by econ21
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No econ this about AG telling me OOC that we can interact in a certain way and then making sure my character suffered adversly IC when I did it. This became a total goat !@#$ :furious3:Quote:
Originally Posted by econ21
PK,
I would suggest you PM me again. It seems pressure is coming from angles you were not expecting and I'm not able to see that.
We've spoken about this privately when I got a few Crackers from directions I was not expecting.
I can only say that I don't think you can ever be politically useless.
You have your voting influence and your in the game. No one can make you cast votes you don't want to.
If I've said anything in the Diet that you were not expecting then let me know.
Cheers
AG
About time!!!! Maybe the Pagan Magician in Karl retinue is on to something?Quote:
Originally Posted by OverKnight
PK and AG - I suggest your avatars both cold shoulder each other in the Diet for a while. I think the mutual IC sniping has gone about as far as it can and is spilling over OOC.
In my observation, in politics, firm political opponents typically are rather indifferent to each other in legislative chambers - since their positions are so entrenched, there is little to be gained by expending emotional energy on each other. It is when dealing with people in their own party that things get really nasty.
I'll rephrase it "Duke OR Steward (if no Duke in House) +2".Quote:
Originally Posted by Stig
Peter has 5 command - he could get up to 9 if he attacks at night.Quote:
Doesn't he have some high stats? Hell I fought a battle with him in command and he had atleast 9 command.
I'm talking to PK now Econ.Quote:
Originally Posted by econ21
This is more akin to the Backroom than actual politics. :laugh4:Quote:
In my observation, in politics, firm political opponents typically are rather indifferent to each other in legislative chambers - since their positions are so entrenched, there is little to be gained by expending emotional energy on each other. It is when dealing with people in their own party that things get really nasty.
I couldn't agree more. 8 years of Political Science at school and university was more than enough for me to see just about everything. :dizzy2:
hey econ - peter von kastilien is the FHA commander (or definitely once ansehelm gets crusading)
I've pm'd PK aswell, I didn't mean to ruin the game for the poor guy.:oops: :oops:
Before anyone asks, I have already started work on the Library update, but I don't have a lot of time tonight. The actual uploading and updating probably won't happen until tomorrow. Apologies if this causes any problems.
TC, if you need help in the photoshoping of the characters pics for the library, I can help. Just send me all the pics needed.
Well good news is Siegfried and Elberhard can be married off via Diplomacy, but that doesnt help Bavaria and Austria much.
Also, RPing a character death might be possible...we got plenty of boats...
haha just send em off die die in a storm
Well, Zirn already popped out a little one, so that's a big help to Austria. Arnold is still plenty young enough to have a full brood as well, so we can hope. For Bavaria, Lothar should start popping out kids once he meets up with Lyse (assuming that happens). There are already several Swabian children, including two that will come of age soon (IIRC). So, all we need are a couple more Austrian and Bavarian births/adoptions to keep things going as normal for the foreseeable future.
For deaths, there are two characters that are 60 years old, so there will be at least 2 more deaths during the next term.
jonas is old, gunther is old, fredericus is old, gerhard is getting on in years
Ituralde: Please can you confirm that Siegfried is re-appointing Salier as King of Outremer? The Kaiser appoints someone to that position each Diet. Apologies if I have missed the announcement.
I think that this is an appropriate time as any to use the new smiley:
:drama3:
Yes indeed. This is a corker of a Diet session. Brother against Brother, House member against House member, a possible succession debate and Wife edicts!
Yeah, there is so much going on. And everyone is afraid that the other stuff will drown out their stuff. My post was pure drama but I couldn't figure out any other way to get my character out of the pickle AG and I got him into. I think its safer with the Mongols right now than it is in that diet chamber. Too many people willing to kill their own mothers to get their edicts passed...
Hmmm... I wonder if that would work...Quote:
Originally Posted by Privateerkev
Killing your own or someone elses?Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
Jan is a knight. Here is the battle report:Quote:
Originally Posted by econ21
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...00#post1614100
*edit*
Also, for voting purposes, is Warluster a Swabian Elector? Does he get the one vote? I am just curious because I have been trying to crunch numbers on voting. Without Warluster, we have 79 voting points. So, 40 is the number you need to pass edicts. The house breakdowns are S(17), F(25), A(14), B(19) and 4 for the Kaiser.
In case anyone is wondering about the health of the Crusade amendment, the Crusaders themselves have a voting power of 37 out of 79 points even though they are only 8 out of the current 18 players (or 10 avatars out of our total of 23). Of course 1 of those points is Hummel's but thats still pretty good. The crusaders are by far the most powerful voting block as long as they can break house loyalties. And if they grab the Kaiser, there is 41 and that pretty much seals the deal. Crusaders plus the Kaiser (or any other person with at least a 3vote which is almost everyone) can pass any edict they want. With this information, it is clear that King Salier does not have to do a lot of "horse trading" to get the votes he needs. He just needs to keep the Crusaders together and grab one or two more people at most. This also means that Matthias pretty much has this thing sealed up as the Crusader bloc is guaranteed. One of the ways this information is useful is in figuring out how many votes you need and then stop trading. I've noticed that people seem to be obsessed with getting as many votes as possible. And they have to risk "giving away the store" in order to do it. Its risky but if you think you have sealed up 40 votes, then stop trading. This would also put a limit on the people who are trying to use their bloc of votes as an influential "swing vote". Another thing this means, is that anyone who wants anything almost has to come to the Crusaders. Otherwise, you would have to convince every single non-crusader to join across house lines and the Kaiser to join forces on an edict.
Now I know this is overly simplistic and there are other reasons people vote the way they do but I find it interesting.
*edit 2*
Oh yeah, and the magic number for CA's would be 53. Which means you need 27 to stop a CA. And the one group big enough to stop a CA by themselves is....you guessed it...the Crusaders! I am having far too much fun crunching numbers and should probably go to sleep soon... :laugh4:
No, I am not a elector yet, I am still thinking on who I should take, and what House.
Well, they have you marked down for Jobst's kid so I was wondering if you can be an elector if your avatar is underage. I'm still new at this...
PK, I'll correct Jan's knighthood status.
Warluster: I've entered you in the playlist because players can vote without avatars (they can even become Counts). I put you down for Athalwolf as you posted that you wanted him a while back. But if, when the time comes, you decide you don't want him, that's fine. It does not affect the fact that you have a vote in these elections.
Ok chaps I'm off to Korea now.
I'll be back on line Friday mid afternoon European time, but thats about it for me and the rest of this excellent Diet session discussion.
Speak soon
AG
@econ21:
I have not yet confirmed anyone as being King of Outremer, quite on purpose. Seems like the heat is really coming on me now, I'm gonna reply in the Diet thread right away. I won't let the Dukes become that powerful without a fight! :beam:
OK, but you need to do it before the vote. The sequence is that the Kaiser appoints the King and he appoints the Crusader Counts - both need to be done before the vote, if they are to benefit from influence and to post build queues in time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ituralde
Gives me another day, then! :2thumbsup:
I actually wonder with the dispute over the emperor and all, would Siegfried actually be allowed to vote with emperor influence and appoint the King of Outremer at this point? It would be more dramatic if he couldnt or it is not widely accepted and can lead to a debate over voting results :p