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Sorry to disappoint you. But there was not much at stake in this game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Proletariat
I was contemplating on doing a crazy townie like in The Godfather II, but CR beat me to it. Can’t say I planed to be a lurker in this game. Funny that you guys got intimidated by it. I am just honing my skills for the next game.
Well, this should be easy to check up on. Husar's reaction definitly seems like Sigurd struck a nerve, which suggests that the investigation result was accurate in some way. If Sigurd is not the detective, the real detective is probably still alive. If so, that person should contact Ichigo, who can then refer that information to the rest of us. If Sigurd was not the real detective, then his ability to investigate indicates that he was Manfredo, Taketski, or possibly the MiB.
But how can you be absolutely sure that Ichigo is actually the/a detective?Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
I thought Manfredo can only search for Juliette?Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
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He won't get clues about a player's innocence. He investigates to discover Juliette. So he will only get results like "nope" or "yes, you found her!".
I can never be absolutely sure of anything in this game, but as I said before it seems near suicidal to claim to be Juliette, whether it's accurate or not. Probability dictates that it's the truth simply because it would be insane to lie about it. Plus, if it was a lie, the real Juliette would be majorly gunning for Ichigo in this thread. I see no one doing that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarathos
Yeah, I realized this shortly after I posted that. Sigurd is either the detective, Taketski, or the MiB (assuming the MiB can investigate).Quote:
Originally Posted by Privateerkev
The detective can't contact me. You cannot reveal your role in private.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
A reveal isn't necessary. The detective could just PM you and say "Sigurd is lying."
How can he trust it? Can't anyone PM him and say that?Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
There's no way to be absolutely certain, but there are ways to make it very likely and to make the risk for a faker too high to chance it. I will explain in detail, but it might take a while and I've got to eat dinner. I'll post it later.
Not much at stake? :/Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane
According to you, our detective just died.
Alright, here's how I see it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Privateerkev
First of all, the only people who would ever send such a false PM to Ichigo would be mafioso. There is no reason whatsoever for a townie or a pro-town role to fake such a PM. Accordingly, we can conclude that anyone who contacts Ichigo in such a manner is either (1) the real detective or (2) a mafioso. This alone makes a fake contact very risky, as the person will be conclusively revealing themselves as having a special role of some kind, which will prompt a great deal of attention towards them from Ichigo and anyone he chooses to share this information with. However, a very daring mafioso could still do it, hoping to establish him or herself in the position of the real detective, much as I took the place of the real vigilante in Netherworld.
So, the question then becomes how to determine whether the person who contacts Ichigo is the real detective or a mafioso. First of all, there is simple dumb luck. If the real detective is still alive, any mafioso who submits a false claim to Ichigo will face a massive risk of having Ichigo receive claims from two or more people. Such a situation would be a wonderful opportunity for the town, as it would mean that at least one of the contacts was mafioso beyond the shadow of a doubt. Such a situation would require first that Sigurd was lying about being the real detective, which would make him a mafioso. That would mean we have already lynched two mafioso (00jeebus and Sigurd), which would make any fake claimer a third mafioso. At that point and with that information, a direct public disclosure of the identities of all claimers would almost certainly ensure a win for the town, because at most it would take 2 turns to lynch the third mafioso, leaving, at worst, the hitman and either a mafioso or the MiB alive. With sheer numbers on the town side, victory looks very good from that point on. So, the only people who would submit a false claim would be mafioso, and submitting a false claim runs a massive risk of resulting in an eventual town victory if the real detective is still alive.
However, we must also consider what would happen if only one person submits a claim to Ichigo. If that happens, it is not in the town's interests for that person's name to be revealed publicly, because it could be the real detective and thus would greatly damage the town while not benefiting it in any way. So, how do we determine whether a single claim submitted to Ichigo is real, or not? Well, fortunately Ichigo and the detective share something in common: the ability to investigate. As we noted before, this ability is only available to Juliette, the detective, Taketski, and Manfredo. We also have to assume the MiB can do it, since we have no information about his abilities. So, Ichigo sets a test for the claimer: he picks a person to investigate, tells the claimer to investigate that person, and they both do so on the same night.
After the investigation, the claimer than forwards his precise results to Ichigo. Anyone who is not one of the above roles will have to completely fake the PM and it should be easy enough for Ichigo to spot because he will have a near duplicate results PM from Andres against which he can compare it. Of the above roles, Manfredo will also have to fake a PM, since he will not get the details that Ichigo would. That leaves only Taketski and possibly the MiB. At this point, it gets a lot less scientific. I've thought about this in detail, and I can't figure out a precise way to determine whether the person would be the detective, Taketski, or the MiB.
From here on out, it would essentially be up to Ichigo to use his judgment to figure out whether the person was legit or not. I would recommend that he discuss the situation with the prostitute, who is pro-town. While this is not an ideal situation, just arriving at this point requires specifically that Taketski or the MiB act as a fake claimer (no one else can do it and get away with it), that the real detective is dead (which Taketski and the MiB could not possible know in advance), and that BOTH Taketski and the MiB don't submit false claims (doing so will result in the double claimant situation described above). This requires not only a very skilled mafioso, but also a great deal of luck, which not even the best player in the world can control. Even if the test were passed, the mafioso would be making a very grave risk that something about his or her behavior would tip off Ichigo and the prostitute to the fraud. Yes, it is theoretically possible to do, but the odds of it happening are so slim that it seems like a good risk to me under the circumstances.
There are couple side-concerns with this 'test', but they can be worked around. First, there is the concern about the claimer being a fake and potentially alerting a mafioso target that they are about to be investigated. However, as the entire purpose of it will be to ascertain the validity of the claimer, not the innocence of the target, we will know that the results themselves are not to be trusted in the first place. All we care about is whether the details and writing style of the results PMs match each other, not whether the investigation itself was accurate. At worst, the target will be mafioso but the results will show as completely innocent with no hint of scum. We then discard those results completely from any decision making on the basis that the target could have known he was about to be investigated and intentionally did not kill. This would also be noticeable if the number of kills dropped at night. Obviously any incriminating results do not have to be discounted.
Second, there is the fact that in order to accomplish this Ichigo has to make an investigation, which means he cannot be protected by the prostitute, which risks his death before he can even reveal this information to the public. However, this scenario is easily overcome because Ichigo knows who the prostitute is. He can inform the prostitute and only the prostitute of the identity of the person who is making the claim. As far as anyone else knows, Ichigo will say that he has not received any claims of any kind from anyone (which could very well be true and is the likely outcome if the real detective is dead). So, the only people who will know that Ichigo will not be protected will be the claimer and the prostitute. If Ichigo is then killed on the same night, there would be strong evidence that the claimer was mafioso and shared the information. Since the prostitute will have this name, she then just needs to get it posted in the public thread in some manner (directly or through a trusted proxy) and poof, one more dead mafioso. True, Ichigo would be dead in such a scenario, but a true pro-town role (which Ichigo professes, despite his side goal of killing Manfredo) would not mind such a death since it would bring us back around to an almost certain town victory through sheer weight of numbers.
Whew... I think that covers it. I may have over-thought this, though, and missed some loopholes in the process. Please point out anything that I missed.
I have to say Tincow, that plan seems pretty exhaustive... not fool-proof, but as close as we can get.
Give me a couple of hours while I read it again :laugh4:
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Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane
Sorry to disappoint you. But there was not much at stake in this game.
Indeed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Proletariat
No offense meant to any player. Real life must prevail always, at all times, of course. Things happen. Babies need tending, jobs need doing, hobbies need pursuit.
I guess I'm old-fashioned. When I type "in" in a game-solicitation thread, that says I'm committed to the task proposed, to its end. If I can't fulfill that commitment (on which 39 other people depend, however frivolous the cause) then I'm obliged to explain and withdraw as soon as possible.
Doing so late, or not explaining at all = assumed scum.
Otherwise there can be no honour in gaming.
Sez I: kill teh lurkers. We'll prolly get lucky and snuff a few maf's.
Wow... I'll admit it is quite exhaustive. But it all depends on one simple thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
Ichigo has to survive the night.
Ichigo and I have been talking about this and we're hoping the hitman is dead. But we have no proof. We have to assume he is still around.
I don't see why sigurd wouldn't just claim detective if he was the detective. And it's also a funny coincidence that the person who started the ball rolling on sigurd being lynched is accused by him.
:inquisitive: Everyone?Quote:
*otoh I recall saying this exact same thing to him in capo after he fooled everyone with a role claim.
:beam: I'm just trying to make it impossible for Kommodus to work any of his mathematical witchcraft on me.Quote:
I was contemplating on doing a crazy townie like in The Godfather II, but CR beat me to it. Can’t say I planed to be a lurker in this game. Funny that you guys got intimidated by it. I am just honing my skills for the next game.
Now Sigurd is crafty, but I'm leaning towards non-mafia for him. Husar should be interrogated if he lives through the night.
CR
Yesterday was a monster and you guys just picked the wrong time to go for a lurker. Plans were made, but upon execution I couldn’t slip in to the gameroom and wiggle out of the bandwagon playing the tunes of Husar.
As Prole mentioned I went into the chat 2 days ago, but there were only people playing GTA4 there… :wall: not much conversation.
Besides, I wanted to talk to Ichigo. I had also hopes for Husar being there so I could put some pressure on him to see how he reacted. I also waited for the results of night 3.
You may express your surprise that I supposedly lurked. The reality is I was talking to players and especially Ichigo outside this thread, to gather a few clues and planned to go after Husar first. I asked Ichigo if he had investigated Husar and he said no. I then concluded that Husar could not be the prostitute. Now why didn't Ichigo stick up for me during the ordeal last night?
And for the record, I have not claimed the detective role. Chew on that you who claim I did.
You claimed that you had results on night actions, that the mafia wanted to kill you, and asked if we remembered the hobo (who was a roleblocker). Andres mentions one secret role: the man in the black cloak, who I was under the impression was juliette's brother.
That I did...Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
That is an assumption I will not make.Quote:
Andres mentions one secret role: the man in the black cloak, who I was under the impression was juliette's brother.
Read the intro again:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane
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The man wearing a black cloak, standing at the opposite side of the theatre watched the group of people. He grinned.
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makaikhaan went out for a walk in the village of Taormina.
*snip*
The strange man cut the ropes and makaikhaan fell down. makaikhaan died on impact. His killer grinned.
After each of the kills by the psychopath brother, he grins.Quote:
After the disappointing experience, Glenn decided to take a walk outside.
*snip*
Sarcasm being his favourite type of humour, he put the tongue in Glenn's throat, thus helping him to suffocate to dead.
The man grinned.
Btw, since it took me far longer than it should have to get all those quotes, here's a reference:
The OP
Night One Results
Night Two Results
Ichigo's reveal
Night Three Results
that's an interesting question as Ichigo was here and postingQuote:
Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showp...0&postcount=21
at the time the bandwagon was at full height and alternatives being discussed, and about an hour before end of voting.
sure this says something about one of you but not sure which yet
That's a lot to chew on. Sigurd could be telling the truth, and I am inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt, for now at least.
I am still slightly sceptical of Ichigo, maybe an investigative report by the detective sometime would eleviate the remaining reservations I have about him.
I'm undecided about Husar, further evidence or info really would swing my opinion.
I'm still suspicious of Mak.
Omanes, he either pulled of spectacular ploy, or he's sincere.
Sasaki and a few others seem their usual selves.
Edit: I'll wait to see how the night plays out before pressing further judgement.
I had already voiced my suspicions. It would have been extremely hard convince people to unvote Sigurd and I probably couldn't have done it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Makanyane
Is that meant to imply that you are reasonably sure Sigurd is innocent? If you are you could at least have said so. :wall:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ichigo
Saying I started a bandwagon to get Sigurd lynched is ridiculous, I was quite surprised about the number of people willing to jump on it, I actually expected my vote to stay the only one. I explained my reasoning and even said it was weak and only based on his absence, noone jumped on my votes before when I was quite a bit more sure about who to vote for, I also guessed that he could be busy and all of a sudden I'm the evil mafia guy who made a big show to get thedetectivesome role we don't know of/Sigurd made up/Ichigo claimed lynched, yeah, sure. :dizzy2:
I still don't see why you didn't post a role PM, Sigurd, copying one takes less time than writing as many lines than you did and the only thing that would stop you from doing it would be that you have a "wrong" one. I remember in Capo 2 you made a really convincing claim to be the hitman, a role that wasn't outlined in the opening post and didn't exist anyway because you were actually a don. I'm not easily going to believe your claim, especially now that you seem to say you weren't even the detective. I guess if you make enough secret hints at being a vigilante or whatever people will actually believe you so you can protect your mafia buddy. :wall:
Well, that's how I see it, being pro-town it would've been easy to throw a PM into your posts but all we get are a few hints in Sigurd's "guess my role quiz" or in other words "use your imagination to fool yourself into believing Sigurd was innocent" quiz, Ichigo's attempts was quite a bit more straightforward and also quite a bit more believable.
:dizzy2: <---- me
Alright, let's try to get a handle on this.
Who is Sigurd.
Townie: Perhaps but why claim a role on your deathbed? Why take another townie down with you?
Juliette: No, Ichigo is Juliette.
Prostitute: No, because Ichigo would have tried to save him since he knows her identity.
Juliette's brother: I don't think her brother has investigative powers. Plus Sigurd and Ichigo have been talking in private. If Sigurd was Juliette's brother, that would be against the rules according to Ichigo's reveal.
Detective: Why didn't he just do a full reveal like Ichigo did? I know Sigurd was busy but it only takes half a minute to Copy and Paste some PM's. Why write the investigation results out?
Manfredo: Manfredo can only get investigation results regarding Juliette. If Sigurd was Manfredo, why wasn't he killing Juliette last night?
Carelli: Why the investigation results? Carellis can't investigate. Is Sigurd mafia and just trying to misdirect us? If he is Carelli, does that mean the "mob" style killings are over? (since we're assuming 00Jebus was Carelli)
Yakuza: Taketsi can investigate. And that might explain why Sigurd didn't want to do a full reveal. Will the yakuza style hits stop now?
MiB: Despite Sasaki's thoughts on the matter, I am not convinced that the MiB is Juliette's brother. What if there is another role out there?
Another secret role: Also possible. Time will tell though if there are more killings.
I guess this doesn't answer anything. I don't know who Sigurd is. But something does seem suspicious about his claims.
I guess most of us are in your boat, Privateerkev (nice summation, BTW).
Sadly, without more reveals, our only other strategy, as I see it, is to wait for the next batch of kills, to see what we can derive from the methods used, victims chosen, and 'calling cards', if any.
Sigurd's rants, though possibly sincere, don't pass the smell test for me. He has proven before to be a master at weaving many lies around a tiny kernel of truth (a great asset in mafia games).
However, the strike against Husar is that he still has not denied being out on night one. Surely that should have been the immediate reaction. If Sigurd was taketsi he would still have accurate results on Husar.
There is definitely some truth to Sigurd's claims. Husar has reacted in a manner that only seems to validate the results. Those results don't make him mafioso, but they do warrant further investigation. This applies equally to the person whose name was removed from the list. There are plenty of legitimate reasons for keeping things private, but explanations will have to be made eventually, especially if the town does not start getting more useful information than we have in the past. Even if Sigurd was mafioso, he was lynched through pure dumb luck. With several people claiming, or apparently in contact with, pro-town roles, more solid information of some kind about who is mafia and who is innocent should start coming forth. If it does not within the next couple turns, the odds will be far more likely that we are being played.
Night 4 - conclusion
Warman couldn't sleep. The last few days had been very stressfull and paranoia poisoned his mind. He continually switched the lights on and off, convinced as he was that somebody was watching him.
Once more, he switched on the lights.
"Let me switch off your lights," a dark voice said.
The crashing sound going through his skull was the last thing Warman heard before falling unconscious.
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When he woke up, he found himself in chains. He noticed that a few bags filled with stones were attached on his legs. He heard the sound of an engine. Few minutes later, Warman was hanging on a rope, above the sea, watching Isola Bella.
He tried to say something, but the fear had a firm grasp on his throat and he couldn't produce a single word.
"Nobody insults my family. Time for you to swim."
A click and all of the sudden Warman fell in the water.
His attacker was dressed in a diving suit and he jumped into the water. While he was watching Warman drowning, the man grinned.
***
TinCow was in his room, reading a magazine.
The smell of perfume caught his attention.
"Hi honey, wanna have some fun tonight?"
TinCow dropped his magazine, staring at the stunning beauty entering his room.
"I will fullfill all your desires," the prostitute said.
"I can ask whatever I want?", TinCow said, not believing how lucky he was.
She giggled.
"Yes!" TinCow yelled, excited. "Come over here, help me with this!"
"But, that's illegal!" the esteemed lady said.
"I know, I know, but who cares? Besides, isn't prostitution illegal as well?"
She shrugged.
30 minutes later, both were staring at the inflatable cross, hanging in the room. "Can you glue me on the cross? And glue these feathers on my chest. Oh, and the wig, don't forget the wig."
"Are you sure?" the prostitute asked, feeling a bit disturbed about the extragavant wishes of her client.
"Oh, come on, please. This is all I ever dreamt off."
"Ok, then..."
TinCow was happy. Being glued on an inflatable cross, feathers glued on his chest and a wig upside down his head was close to his ultimate fantasy. When the prostitute finally gave him the pencil, he started to wave it at her (being glued, he couldn't hit her.) Every time he moved the pencil, the prostitute produced little screams.
They didn't notice the man standing behind TinCow. A high kick on the cross made it fall down. Glued on the cross, TinCow could only stare at the silent, dark figure who jumped to him, another kick hitting TinCow in the face. The man prepared himself for the finishing blow, when he saw the back of the stunning beauty.
"Oh my..." he murmured. Angelica turned around. Afraid of being recognised, the man jumped back into the shadows and climbed back through the window through which he had entered the room.
***
Kukrikhan couldn't sleep either. He left his hotel room and went to the bar. Unfortunately, the bar was closed. Since nobody was there, he grabbed a bottle of Vino alla Mandorla and he decided to walk to the beach.
Walking down one of the narrow streets of Taormina, he was worrying about the past events.
"I hope I'll survive this nightmare", he said to himself. "I shouldn't walk too far. I'd better emtpy this bottle and go back to sleep."
He turned around and saw a man, weilding a tommy gun. The blasting salvo right in Kukrikhan's chest ended his life quickly.
The killer left the scene.
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Ichigo left the hotel room, because there was still some unfinished business to attend.
While standing in the hall, a man walked up to Ichigo, carrying a handgun. The cold professional didn't say a word, pointed the gun at Ichigo and pulled the trigger.
Ichigo fell down. The killer ended the job with two shots in the head and one extra in the chest.
The killer ensured himself that there had been no witnesses and disappeared again in the shadows.
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Porta Messina - Taormina - 7 a.m.
"Good morning, ladies and gentlemen", Pino said to the gathered crowd.
"I'm afraid I have some bad news. I found several bodies early this morning. Warman, Kukrikhan and Ichigo have been found dead. And allthough prostitution is still a crime here in Taormina, I believe mister TinCow is probably very happy that he spent last night with a lady of questionable morality. Unfortunately did he nor the lady in question recognise the attacker. So I guess it comes down to voting. Again."
Pino sighed, he was getting desperate.
Alive (22)
Tiberius of the Drake
woad&fangs
Omanes
Caius
Sarathos
Gaius Sribonius Curio
pevergreen
Sasaki Kojiro
Husar
TinCow
Elite Ferret
Northnovas
Rythmic
LittleGrizzly
Mithrandir
axel
Haudegen
Makanyane
Bananabob
Tratorix
Privateerkev
Proletariat
Killed (8)
Seamus Fermanagh
GeneralHankerchief
makaikhaan
Glenn
Crazed Rabbit
Ichigo
Kukrikhan
AntiWarmanCake
Lynched (3)
shlin28
00jebus
Sigurd Fafnesbane
WoG'ed (2)
Zorg
TwilightBlade
Suicide (3)
Hiji
Beefy187
Yaropolk
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It's now Day. You can start voting. Day will last for +/- 25 hours.
This I find interesting... had the prostitute already visited this man? My suspicion goes to Sasaki, I think he's gotta be lynched.Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
Son of A Hitchhitcker.:laugh4:
I was drowned, but I can swim! Oh well:laugh4:
Wouldn't any killer be afraid of being recognized? This is a small town.Quote:
Originally Posted by makaikhaan
I'm far more interested in the fact that Manfredo is indeed alive. Why did he kill on N4 and not N3 when everyone knew Juliette's identity?
If you recall, the prostitute was sleeping with Proletariat on N3.
FoS: Proletariat
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Originally Posted by makaikhaan
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Originally Posted by Andres
I find it interesting that manfredo didn't kill ichigo last night. Also, it appears th grinning killer isn't limited to killing those who voted in the same round.
Prole posted a write up which had her staying at home. The prostitute would have known she was lying if she was. I was thinking more along the lines of someone who wasn't present yesterday.Quote:
Originally Posted by Privateerkev
Ah ok.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Who wasn't around?
Well at least it ended on a fine Italian beach with a bottle of good wine.
something has occured to me about Manfredo - slightly too late unfortunately....
did he maybe have to investigate Ichigo to get confirmation that he was actually she, before being able to make kill?
fact that Ichigo is now dead does make me somewhat sorry for doubting before :embarassed:
It was certainly violent. I think we can assume it was a Carelli who did it.Quote:
Originally Posted by KukriKhan
The attempted hit on TC involved a "high kick". My guess would be yakuza.
Juliette's brother is obviously still around.
And it looks like Manfredo found Juliette.
So, I will ask again, who is Sigurd?
I think the thing of prime importance today is an explanation from Husar.
Just to clarify from TC's incident (adventure :beam:) he was actually a target that night but was protected because he was with the prostitute?
yep looks like thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Northnovas
I suspect axel might be Juliette's brother.
He has never voted. And he has not said a single word since sign-ups closed.
Yet he has not been WoG'd, when others have. Why?
vote: axel
Vote: Axel
Vote: Pevergreen
You have yet to contribute any real discussion to the game. You also attacked Pkev for having a large number of posts even though is posting habits have already been discussed at length and found to be perfectly normal for him.
Here is Juliette's brother's hit list:
makaikhaan: dead
Glenn: dead
pevergreen
Crazed Rabbit: dead
Sasaki Kojiro
Husar
TinCow
00jebus: dead
Haudegen
AntiWarmanCake: dead
Privateerkev
Anyone who is alive and on this list has a vested interest in helping me find this guy.
Of everyone still alive, only two people have never voted. Sarathos and axel. But Sarathos at least talks so it makes sense that he hasn't been WoG'd yet.
axel's continued presence in the game makes no sense unless he has a role.
:no:
axel's continued presence in the game makes no sense unless he has a role.
Thats good enough for me
Vote Axel
axel will soon be WoG'd. If he returns and votes then we lynch him. It appears that he is inactive yet all known baddies made or attempted kills last night.
Thankyouthankyouthankyou!Quote:
Originally Posted by woad&fangs
Finally, someone who is speaking sense!
Concentrate on those who are active.
Ah great, without a wonder the town is pretty much dead now. :no:
Yes, that's all I have to say for now.
But if he doesn't get WoG'd, and he is the SK, then he will kill again.Quote:
Originally Posted by woad&fangs
Twilight Blade never talked after sign-ups, and never voted. He got WoG'd.
Zorg actually talked after sign-ups a couple times but never voted. He got WoG'd.
Axel has been online, but has never voted, and has said absolutely nothing since sign-ups ended. Yet he somehow gets a pass.
No...
Something really smells here.
While I believe that PK may have a valid point regarding Axel, lets not get carried away here. At this moment in time it is all speculation. If everybody votes for him and then more evidence regarding someone else comes to light, this other person may escape if enough people who voted Axel are offline.
Vote: Husar
To highlight that while everyone else has jumped on the Axel bandwagon (well it kind of is), Husar has yet to come up with an explanation for why he was out of his room on Night One. While everything Sigurd said is suspect, this information still needs to be assessed and used. Everything is evidence. I'll now go back and investigate further, and would like to hear from Husar, so I may change my vote. But for now Husar has a 'Please Explain'.
PK has made a good observation with Axel's activity but there have been several request made to Husar to explain himself and he has made no attempt but in his post.
Vote: Husar
That's not good enough husar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Husar
Some valid points about axel. In pre school Zorg lurked tons, didn't get WoG'd, and came back in the later rounds, avoiding lynch for some time. We may say now that we are going to lynch him when he comes back but in practice we move on to other things.
However, Husar needs to step up. Vote:Husar
Husar is a bad vote, more thoughts to come in a second. (Need to charge my laptop).
:laugh4: And yet another small bandwagon. I await Rythmic's thoughts with interest, but before we get carried away...
Unvote:Husar
But I maintain a FOS on him (Husar) until further notice.
The Husar votes are based off of Sigurd's lies.
Something felt very scummy about Sigurd. But, there was one yakuza and one Carelli style hit last night. As well as Manfredo and Juliette's brother.
So I don't know who Sigurd was but I do not trust him.
Twilightblade is very sick as of now. We (his friends) do not know what it is. We havent spoken to him for nearly a week.
Husar is a darn good vote. We need a full explanation from him.
Also, seeing as the hitman killed Juliette, we should see if he will join the town. After all, he's now in the same boat as the rest of us; a target of the mafia and yakuza and Juliette's brother wants him dead.
CR
Strong opinion, but have they been conclusively proven lies? Husar hasn't made any effort to explain himself despite repeated demands to do so, not even going so far as to say "its all a fithy lie".Quote:
Originally Posted by Privateerkev
There is something not quite right about Sigurd, but to dismiss his evidence out of hand would be ridiculous.
Fine. I had hoped to avoid this but I need to do it.
The third entry on Sigurd's little list was me. And I know for a fact that it is a lie.
It says I was out of the room but innocent. That infers that I have a "power-town" role. I don't. I'm just a townie.
Therefore, I do not trust anything else he said. He just wrote a couple lines before he was lynched to mess with us for some reason.
I have a feeling mafia won't believe me and will hit me anyways. But I won't let someone get lynched based off of a scummy lie.
Vote: sarathos. A hunch and if he's been active and hasn't voted yet, that seems weird.
I'd rather lynch 3 townies and one maffia member than just voting abstain the whole time and wait for my turn to be killed...
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Originally Posted by pevergreen
OOC: I'm sorry about TB and I hope he is ok. I'll keep him in my thoughts...
My thoughts were either that Sigurd was indeed the "hobo" got lucky and found both the Prostitute and the Carabinieri. Highly unlikely. More probably he just made the whole thing up.
What I don't like is how certain players seem to be dictating the game and are "untouchable".
??? Explanation? Names?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rythmic
tally:
axel: 3 (Privateerkev, pevergreen, LittleGrizzly)
Husar: 2 (Northnovas, Sasaki Kojiro)
pevergreen: 1 (woad&fangs)
sarathos: 1 (Mithrandir)
woad&fangs makes sense, but I don't agree with his vote. I will place my vote on:
Vote: LittleGrizzly
This just says scum, scum, scum to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly
Before Ichigo was killed, he told me he was investigating LG. I wonder what he found. I know he can't discuss night actions but he can at least give his opinion like Khaan has been doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rythmic
I told you, I thought he had a role. Him and Northnovas.Quote:
Originally Posted by Privateerkev
Yeah but how do you feel about him now?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ichigo
Since I know who the prostitute and the "supposed" detective are, it should be pretty obvious. :beam:Quote:
Originally Posted by Privateerkev
Vote: Sasaki
His first turn block coincided with only a single kill when we had many killers. The fact that he posted his own blockage PM just means he's smart, not that he's innocent. Lynch active players, not WoGs.
Not sound logic. Prostitute received same pm I did--ergo she can confirm that I staid home that night. There weren't many killers, manfredo and MiB weren't active. The yakuza didn't strike, presumably he was investigating.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
The prostitute can confirm, but has not done so. She could have easily verified your "doing nothing" PM via Ichigo, but that never happened. The votes on Husar are total scum, and your participation in that bandwagon tipped your balance in my mind.
That's simply not true. You are not allowed to reveal privately, so the prostitute could not have pm'd ichigo. A public reveal in this case would have resulted in my lynching. Also, if I had been lying, I would have been blocked the following night as well, and indeed every night since. The only possible conclusion is that I was telling the truth.
As for husar, you said yourself that the manner he explained himself made him suspicious. Sigurd died and yet there were 4 kill attempts. His reveal was somewhat scummy, but the lack of definite denial in husar is also scummy.
Is it also your belief that northnovas and curio are scum?
Sasaki is right Tincow, there are no private reveals, something I think that we have forgotten. Therefore while the Prostitute can prove Sasaki's innocence, she can't come forward as yet.
However how is the vote on Husar 'scummy'? There are legitimate questions to be answered, even if Sigurd has lied (which I now believe he has), which have arisen from his behaviour. Husar needs to explain himself. The best method of applying pressure to force him to answer is a threat to his welfare. The only weapon the town has is the power to lynch, therefore...
...do I really need to spell it out?
What Sasaki says makes sense about the prostitute, and since it seems every killing role was active last night it sort of clears TC as well.
Ichigo supposedly found him/her through investigation though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki
I don't think Axel is the best lynch, since he's a WoG target, if he doesn't get WoG'd then we lynch him tomorrow, simple as that.
I really do get a bad vibe from LG, he's doing just enough to stay in the game and stave off suspicion. Without risking throwing his weight around.
I think he means that you can not PM night results without first making them public. You can hint. You can make stuff up. But nothing private.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rythmic
As Ichigo seems to be dropping as much of a hint as he can - and his manner of death seems to confirm his old story
Vote: LittleGrizzly
the problem with going for the Wog'ies who haven't been wogged yet - so seem to have a role would be if Sigurd wasn't the detective its possible that the role that's stopping them getting wogged could be the detective one. Though if they aren't getting any info back to us the role isn't doing much good!
YepQuote:
Originally Posted by Makanyane
Vote: LittleGrizzly