As Pever says, no spanish, i said Charmander was spanish, proves i was lying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
You just can't trust me :grin:
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As Pever says, no spanish, i said Charmander was spanish, proves i was lying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
You just can't trust me :grin:
ITT:liez
See that still feels like a counter-balance to what Thermal did. Just because there's no Spanish roles, that might still be a move where he's lying so he's not actually revealing anything. He's admitted it was a dirty tactic, but the desperate nature of the move tells me that there's something up with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by pevergreen
Even if he were scum, why Charmander? Why risk being WOG'ed over a basic townie? So naturally I'm curious as to who or what he is. The cat (ugh) is out of the bag here.
BTW keep that cat away from me. I'm going to assume whoever gives me that (censored) cat is mafia.
Overcompensation. Here, you're feeling guilty about the reveal so you're trying to make it right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thermal Mercury
Guys, I can't un-learn stuff, so stop trying. Leave it alone. I want to be able to keep playing the game, so PLEASE, Thermal/pevergreen, kindly drop this so I can focus, thanks.
pever, obviously, if you have hosting stuff to say feel free to interject, but otherwise let me think independently, and I'll play as fairly as I can under the circumstances. :bow:
Indeed we should at the very least allow him to come and explain himself before voting him since a huge bandwagon at this stage could be irreversable if he comes on late with some evidence that clears him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Vote: Yaropolk
*passes out on the bar from alcohol/lack of sleep*
*un-passes out*
Unvote: Yaropolk
Vote: Blackadder*
*passes out again*
Vote: Zack
=)
I think Zack got off too easy yesterday.
vote: Zack
*blargh*
I is dead.
Hmm? Oh right sorry my attention has been drifting, 'been playing mass effect 2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Care to explain how you knew about each others status as power roles without breaking the game rules? I know you hinted to it before, but with pever wanting to limit pro-town movements it seems weird you could be allied to each other the way it seems you were.Quote:
Originally Posted by YLC
If you can't explain, because you are dead, maybe Secura can fill us in a bit. With her being recruited (apparently by you, YLC) and unrecruited, I'm pretty sure she isn't mafia, don't think they would be recruitable. Though I'm not sure about your weird cult and it's objectives.
Why should I move my vote off of you now? You're not paying attention and it seems like you only vote to avoid the WOG. How am I supposed to rely on you in the endgame? If you were totally limp I could write you off as a WOG candidate, but you're not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greyblades
:daisy: psychiatrists! I was perfectly sane, thank-you-very-much. Isn't it your job to prevent suicides, rather than cause them? Whoever you are, I'm going to get your license revoked.:furious3:
There was indeed something weird about your kill write-up, it seems you were as allergic to psychiatrists as Atpg was to cats. And it was yet another role that hadn't appeared before. We seem to have quite a few people/items that are able to solo kill.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
Any thoughts about that within what you can reveal after being dead?
Yeah, find and lynch the psychiatrist. He's bad JuJu.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joooray
What the :daisy: happened last night? I see a ton of edited posts, were there a bunch of rulebreaks or what?
Basically yes
Essentially TM revealed that we should lynch a certain player in the game unfortuntly he was not suppossed to do that so a few of us know someone who it seems by all accounts should be lynched post haste but in the interest of sportsman ship I shall wait for him to turn up before saying or doing anything more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zack
:shrugs: These games just arent gripping me like the others, theyre too hectic after afew days of having to trawl through pages and pages of stuff I missed because I was asleep or at college its starting to feel like a chore. Doesnt help that in this game I didnt even know it had started till afew days after so I had an extra set of pages to sift through.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Vote: Crazed Rabbit
That is unfortunate. I'm glad I didn't see the original content then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Blackadder
That's fine, but that actually makes things worse. Can I count on you to settle in and pay attention in the endgame or not? Or do I have to vote for you because you're potential scum, or being left alive because you won't be a threat to the mafia in the end?Quote:
Originally Posted by Greyblades
Basically what I'm saying is, if you're lurking scum, stop it or you're dead. If you're a townie, I need you to focus or just drop out. I'll give you a round to convince me you're a changed man.
unvote, vote: Zack
Well I was forced into gear in the star wars game and I've found my fluroxetine so hopefuly my mood should improve as well as my attendance.
Even after Secura's cry for....whatever that's called, I don't trust her one bit. She knew about me and not too long after she was .... "felt up" by the priest, all of a sudden several of us get taken out. One of them being Renata, the resurrector. I look forward to seeing this game end, as this game will definitely form lasting thoughts on my trust in Secura's words.
I welcome it, Methos.Quote:
Originally Posted by Methos
Does that mean you'll apologise for character defamation also, when the truth comes out?
I'd also like to point out that it seems both you and YLC have forgotten someone who was invited early to your group and ceased posting in the QuickTopic after a while; if you're adamant on the possibility of a leak, then look no futher than Niklas.
Go look at the QuickTopic Methos, or I can simply post the relevant information here: Niklas' last post was #72 at 01:57 PM ET on the 21st of April. He only posted a total of three times, deleting one post and offering very little in the others beyond "this person could be a good recruit" and "don't recruit anyone resurrected". Since then, Renata, TinCow and YLC have all died.
I'll stack my chips with that, to be honest... I'd like to propose that whomsoever is in possession of the kitty currently passes it onto Niklas this evening. The results of that will be indicative of his guilt or innocence. Much better than the lynch for the moment.
I have no objections to receiving said cat. I like cats. :bow:
I have no idea what's going on so I'm voting for the first person in the alive list to avoid getting WoG'd;
vote: A very Super Market
CR
vote: Beefy
If I had a reason, I'd tell you.
And, yes, I am voting purely to avoid being wogged. Although I grow more baffled with each passing day, I figure that a baffled and random-voting townie is better than a wogged townie. If you disagree, then say so, and I might just oblige by shutting up altogether.
Agreed. And I have every reason to be voted for... My performance has been shocking so far...Quote:
Originally Posted by Winston Hughes
Ugh, feeling sick, had a bad night and might be punished so expect my already small post count to be lower (nless I post from school...).
Vote: Warman still quiet imo.
He breathed fire on me... :cry:Quote:
Originally Posted by Secura
Niklas is an Aussie... he can't betray the group because his goal are the same as the group's. You, on the other hand, knew the identities of all the Aussies and your goals have not been the same as ours for several turns now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Secura
I recommend a lynch of Secura.
The Wanax should never be ignored.
Vote: Crazed Rabbit.
Secura may have a point bout Niklas. Passing him a cat may not be the answer though.
Sorry, forgot to bold.
Vote: Crazed Rabbit
Right, and you know that for certain how, TinCow? You have no evidence that he's still aligned to the Australians, think about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
Recall that I announced my own conversion back to town in the QuickTopic; Niklas ceased posting outright and everyone died thereafter. Hmmmmmmm.
That's just like you, Beefy, to say that. You poo-poo your own performance every game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beefy187
So, you're innocent because you admitted that you were converted away from the Aussies, and Niklas is guilty because he hasn't posted in the QT for 3 days? :inquisitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by Secura
I'm innocent because I didn't do it; that is a fact, whether you like it or you do not.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
I will admit that it's too convenient to be mere coincidence, which means there was a leak; Niklas ceased posting in the QuickTopic, everyone starts dying. There's no evidence that he is still aligned to the Australians, and he could well have been converted to the cult that was apparantly opposite to ours, something that you don't seem to have considered:
And while I lack any proof that I haven't been recruited myself, I do have a PM from the host (sent to myself and Centurion) on the 23rd, two days after Niklas vanished and our group started dying:Quote:
Originally Posted by YLC via QuickTopic
I was sent that message as a friendly notice from the host regarding a post I made in the QuickTopic:Quote:
Originally Posted by pevergreen via Private Message, 23/04/10, 07:21 GMT
After receiving the PM from pevergreen, I posted in the QuickTopic:Quote:
Originally Posted by Secura via QuickTopic, 22/04/10, 23:48 ET
I wanted to rejoin the Australians, for all the good it will do me to keep saying it. I wanted to be part of the group rather than a face in the crowd. -_-'Quote:
Originally Posted by Secura via QuickTopic, 23/04/10, 12:18 ET
I believe her, TinCow.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
I've learned something about Secura over the past few games... she's not keen on betrayal, and she's not cutthroat as mafia. She might be mafia, but what happened to the Aussies is not in character for her. As evidence I point you to Shadow Fort, where she risked her head over a friend who wasn't even on her team, the Haiku mafia where she wasn't even keen to win the game because she felt bad, and other games where she's demonstrated what I might consider excessive sensitivity. Others might call it "com-pass-shun"
She's played and won games as town and mafia, so she's not a bad player, but she does have a certain style, and this is not her style. To a fault, she won't do what you're suggesting.
Otherwise I have been right and properly swindled, and I am looking forward to the day.
Ack, you have a darn good read on my playing style. O_O"Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
If that's the case, why aren't you voting for Niklas?Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Because there is an advantage to giving the cat to Niklas, and seeing what happens. In my estimation the number of murders should go down whether he's guilty (blocked) or innocent (frame), or he'll be proved innocent.
He's not going anywhere, and while I'm looking for other examples of scum, tossing the cat in his direction gives real tangible benefits in all circumstances.
Unvote: Crazed Rabbit
Vote: Yaropolk
Skimmed the last pages and my god if Yaropolk has been exposed of any anti-town role than holy crap vote for him! Regardless of the legality of such a move, mistakes were made and it's over, we shouldn't just hold back on voting for someone who has a better case on them than anyone else. FoS: all players for not voting Yaropolk.
And yet you can't control the location of the cat. We have two potential scum here: Secura and Niklas, and you're going to put the resolution of both in the hands of some random player who may or may not (1) even be active and (2) agree with your analysis? :no:Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Don't take chances, lynch the suspects. Relying on the 'cat' is WIFOM and likely to result in both of them getting away scott free. One is almost certainly guilty, so lynch them both and be done with it.
Vote: Yaropolk I am going with Reenk on this one....:juggle:
I do not like to take advantage of sportmanship issues, so I won't vote for Yaro yet. Dunno happened, but I agree that he should have the chance to speak for himself. Not sure about Niklas either, but it seems rather like infighting and so I'm not sure the town has actually a big stake in that. :shrug:
Well I'm going with Seamus on this one. Vote: Crazed Rabbit.
Eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
You're pointing the finger of suspicion at everybody? And for reasons that, in my ignorance, I cannot seem to fathom...
This isn't the first time your behaviour has struck me as suspect, so I'm gonna unvote; vote: Reenk Roink, at least until I get an explanation of what's going on here.
Soo I was looking for this Chamander who ATPG was refering to who had been exposed, saw Yasei's edits and figured it was about a particular player.
Reenk seems to think it is Yaropolk.
Joooray seems to believe this too.
If the cat is out of the sack so to speak, why hold back. TinCow removed himself from a game because of such knowledge which is the only workable solution. Ignoring or pretending stuff didn't happen doesn't work because you will always have the unwanted knowledge lurking in the back of you mind which is a distraction.
Act on it and move on.
There are many moderators in these games and I suspect we all can see the posts (not the post content) that are deleted. At least I can see deleted posts outside the gameroom. If there is deleted posts accompanying host warnings and "I am sorry" posts - they become double suspicious.
This is a case of designing to fit the environment and not trying to cram the environment into a specific design. You just can't depend on players not messing up. It always happen.
I am not host bashing BTW... Just factor in private reveals and public displays of losing one's dentures.
I can't play dumb. Playing with all factulties in "on mode" is the only enjoyable way of playing.
Personally I was only referring to Reenk there, I have no idea what happened and who did what.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigurd
Apart from that I support the point you make.
You can see my reply on the subjects. 'khaan went through and edited as he saw fit, told me after.
The town will play as it does, Yara may die for it, but if he does, the game will return to normal.
What I don't understand is Reenk acting as if he knows Yaropolk is the name removed from the edited posts, despite having only "scanned the last pages".
Also, I'm puzzled as to how it is that voting for anyone other than Yaro deserves the FoS, given that Reenk himself voted for Crazed Rabbit earlier in the day.
I was off the comp for 2 days due to crap load of HW, give me a little break :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by spL1tp3r50naL1ty
'khaan actually missed a mention or two of Yarapolk from the quotes, so if you actually read the posts, you can tell.
Firstly, I know that the pair of you have a certain... attachment, but given your role as host here, I think you should allow Reenk to answer for himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by pevergreen
Secondly, clearly I'm not the most perceptive reader, but having reviewed all of the posts since the morning update, I still can't find anything that makes it blindingly obvious that Yaropolk is the player in question. Indeed, Reenk himself did not seem to realise it when he cast his original vote against Crazed Rabbit, and only came to that conclusion after 'scanning' those pages later on.
Hence, I'm puzzled as to how he can justify pointing the FoS at everyone else. Because in the absence of any such justification, and with a generalised FoS putting nobody under pressure, it looks to me like a rather scummy move.
Apologies, and that post I thought of either never existed or has dissapeared.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winston Hughes
I do keep my love and my hosting life apart though. :wink:
Zack had been chosen to be the next to be "thrown" into "prison". With the conflict nearing a week in length, prison was actually looking rather nice to a few of the townspeople. Zack, certainly had no desire to waste a single minute outside.
"Hahah! Safety! Oh well folks, I'll see what remains of you out on the other side!"
Tally
3 - Zack
2 - Yarapolk, Crazed Rabbit, Warman
1 - AVSM, Captain Blackadder, Niklas, Secura
If the following people don't vote next day phase, they will be WoG'd
Greyblades
Subotan
Yarapolk
Alive: 22/39
A Very Super Market
atheotes
Beefy187
Captain Blackadder
Crazed Rabbit
Csargo
GeneralHankercheif
Greyblades
Joooray
Niklas
Psychonaut
Seamus
Secura
spL1tp3r50naL1ty
Subotan
Warman
White_eyes:D
Yaropolk
Yaseikhaan
Winston Hughes
Reenk Roink
Askthepizzaguy
Lynched: 3/39
autolycus
Thermal Mercury
Zack
Killed: 10/39
Myrddraal
Khazaar
Chaotix (lynched)
Sasaki Kojiro
Scienter
Sigurd
Methos
Renata
TinCow
Diamondeye
YLC
Wrath of God: 3/39
Lord Winter
slashandburn
Centurion1
It is now Night 6. Night will end in 23 hours, 39 minutes. (Midnight Monday 26th April 2010 GMT +10)
Killed 10, lynched 3, alive 22. This is going to be tough.
Well I did say that I would be more active so... um... Go team.
Maybe there is something to you saying you aren't the most perceptive reader as I thought it was pretty clear that Yaropolk was the guy in question that Blackadder alluded to, especially made explicit due to GH's vote and then unvote. Granted, I skimmed and then formed a conclusion as I usually do and that has led me to being mistaken before but it is confirmed here with Yaropolk being the one we want.Quote:
Originally Posted by Winston Hughes
As you seem to be vested in Yaropolk's defense and take great offense to being FoS'd (even as a group), I think you're the man I want after Yaropolk. MAJOR FOS: WH + retaliation.
You didn't just say "the way I'm reading it, Yaropolk is the one everybody's talking about" - you actually cast the FoS against everybody for not voting against him, as if it was blatantly obvious he was the one. And you say you got that from nothing other than GH's commentless vote... :inquisitive:
I didn't know whether you just guessed, or if you had some other reason for making what was, at best, an assumption based on the most limited evidence. But it's strange that you didn't mention that that tiny detail was your only source when you threw down your all-encompassing FoS.
On that subject, I can assure you that what you mistakenly see as 'offence' is nothing of the sort. It's merely experience telling me that the guy who tries to set himself up as the townie par excellence is often a villain.
And, with regards to your 'saving Yaropolk' comment, it strikes me that the buddies of a known villain are much more likely to try to get on his bandwagon, aiming to put distance between them, than to do anything that might look like defending him.
Of course, I'm unsurprised that you're looking to turn suspicions on me once I called you out on a pointless and self-serving FoS. After all, my actions can easily be spun as an attempt to divert a late bandwagon on Yaro.
But the question remains: if it was so blindingly obvious that Yaro was the badguy mentioned in those edited posts, then why did you fail to vote against him in the first place?
I'm away on vacation, reading the thread on the blackberry every once in a while. RR - I have no clue what you're even accusing me of. I went back and read the last few pages and apparently TM revealed something, which was later edited out. Can you tell me what that was since everyone already knows?
My apologies to the host, I'll promptly lodge my vote in 24 hours.
Yaro, TM apparently was frustrated about this game (I know this first hand - check what he sent me on my profile) and apparently revealed something post mortem that damned someone, strongly suggested to be you (despite WH not "seeing" it) and later all but confirmed.
Given that you seem completely aloof from the game though and WH's scumminess, I'm willing to second guess it for a bit. It could be TM just being pissed. Who/what are you?
So? :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Winston Hughes
Why?Quote:
I didn't know whether you just guessed, or if you had some other reason for making what was, at best, an assumption based on the most limited evidence. But it's strange that you didn't mention that that tiny detail was your only source when you threw down your all-encompassing FoS.
Cool story.Quote:
On that subject, I can assure you that what you mistakenly see as 'offence' is nothing of the sort. It's merely experience telling me that the guy who tries to set himself up as the townie par excellence is often a villain.
Quote:
And, with regards to your 'saving Yaropolk' comment, it strikes me that the buddies of a known villain are much more likely to try to get on his bandwagon, aiming to put distance between them, than to do anything that might look like defending him.
Various reasons.Quote:
But the question remains: if it was so blindingly obvious that Yaro was the badguy mentioned in those edited posts, then why did you fail to vote against him in the first place?
Yup, this is partly what I'm thinking at the moment, thanks for saving me from typing it. The main thing though, is that you are exactly guilty of what you are trying to ascribe to me, i.e. that you are trying to make a case on someone and act like Mr. Town which is a stark change in behavior from your earlier and much less aggressive play. Thanks for coming out though.Quote:
Of course, I'm unsurprised that you're looking to turn suspicions on me once I called you out on a pointless and self-serving FoS. After all, my actions can easily be spun as an attempt to divert a late bandwagon on Yaro.
Hang on...
So now you're suggesting that Yaropolk may not be guilty, whilst trying to set me up for the next lynch instead?
:laugh4:
...is no kind of answer.Quote:
Various reasons.
Quote:
So?
If you're going to point the FoS at everyone in general and nobody in particular - for doing something which you yourself did only a few hours earlier - then you ought to at least be able and prepared to justify that.Quote:
Why?
Instead, what I'm seeing is you looking for various ways to avoid engaging with the matter at hand (for example, by resorting to the cheapest of sarcastic come-backs: "Cool story").
Oh, and I've never really been set on making a case against you - it was just a matter of pushing to see what response I got from someone who did something I found suspicious. Right now, though, I'd say that you're in danger of making a pretty good case against yourself.
I mean, you could have just admitted that you made a mistake with what was a rather silly FoS. I reckon most townies would have done exactly that, rather than attempting to defend it in so evasive a manner.
I've already responded to everything you asked, usually I'm not so courteous.
A lot of the stuff you said was basically irrelevant stuff about your experience and play and what not. I thought I was being nice. :sweatdrop:
As for me FoSing everyone it still stands, I'm unaware why so many people would ignore the Yaropolk accusation. I don't see the mistake in it?
I don't think I'm in any danger. Good drama though. :2thumbsup:
Ah, switching to the old expert-humouring-the-newbie routine now, are we? :inquisitive:
Well, it's true that "Various reasons" was a response... Not much of an answer, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
Could you explain what those reasons were?
So why are you acting any different now, then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
I would hazard a guess that a fair few of them, like me, didn't even realise that Yaropolk was the one mentioned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reenk Roink
What?Quote:
Originally Posted by Winston Hughes
Was thinking CR when I first logged into the thread, and when I made that vote I didn't read through the thread that much because I wanted to vote and leave for the round (I remember YLC the most then). Came back to the thread and you know the rest.Quote:
Well, it's true that "Various reasons" was a response... Not much of an answer, though.
Could you explain what those reasons were?
Various reasons. :juggle2:Quote:
So why are you acting any different now, then?
It's about that stage in the game where I should get more involved. Plus I'm being nice. ~:pat: Why are you acting differently by the way?
OK, well I think that's too convenient of an excuse.Quote:
I would hazard a guess that a fair few of them, like me, didn't even realise that Yaropolk was the one mentioned.
By the way, you said earlier that this wasn't the first time my behavior struck you as suspect. Now since you seem to be saying that you aren't really into making a case against me, I am kinda wondering why that is, and what those other suspicious things were.
Um... I'm already confused. whats this about a reveal?
That's enough out of you, Winston.
Finger of Delirium: Winston Hughes
CR
So... yeah... either Secura or Niklas is scum, likely Secura. You people seem to be forgetting that. I recommend that you pressure them both with votes tomorrow.
:laugh4:
The end of the game's going to be major egg on your face, TC.
I understand where everyone is coming from with the sportsmanship issue here, but with the current record of 10 kills per 3 lynches, we don't have lynches to waste, and a good lynch now could save kill later, and grant us more time. What's done is done, but if you start making allowances to the mafia, where do you stop? How many townies have to die before it's ok to off the mafia.
Why does nobody think of the townies!?!? :bigcry:
Good point about the math. Unless some of the dead'uns were killers for other factions, we do not have many days left.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myrddraal
Suspicions:
Secura:
Niklas:
It seems likely, based on what was said above, that someone infiltrated and then starting mopping up the aussie/mason team. Secura is under suspicion for not having been priested back to normal townie, but priested to evil betrayer. Niklas for being perky in the QT the masons had set up and then dropping into quiet mode. Tincow, weren't you in there too?
Reenk:
Winston:
Bit of a urination match here. Reenk is playing with Winston to solicit infor/cause him to squirm. Winston is replying as though aggrieved thereby.
My gut says that we'll need to remove one from each set and soon. But which? Time to ponder and listen.
Since I am dead and you are alive, I believe the rules allow you to better answer your own question than I can.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
Lots to catch up... Most of the discussion seems to be around the Yaropolk reveal and the Mason infiltration seems to have been pushed into the background because of that. Yet to read the Reenk-Winston conversation.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
Something I just realised, by the way; if I'm supposed to have given away the identities of the Australians to some other faction, should you not be asking pevergreen to WOG me?
Revealing identities in private is forbidden, and I was almost WOG'd for doing so in our QuickTopic (revealed a townie identity to the masons)... I would assume that doing so again would mean instant WOG for repeated rule-breaking. If you think I've been doing this, appeal for a WOG, do not ask for a lynch to be wasted.
Those rules does probably not apply to Mafia. We do not know the full extent of what you can do and can't do according to your role description. Just saying...Quote:
Originally Posted by Secura
Sorry. I just got bored with being completely in the dark about everything, and tried to liven things up a bit. :embarassed:Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
I'll try to tone it down a bit from now on.
Did I really sound aggrieved? If anything, I'd say I was enjoying the urination match rather too much. I really couldn't care less if it made me a suspect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh
Ok, so TinCow was a Scientologist? Does that mean he can recruit people and then take all their money?Quote:
Originally Posted by pevergreen