Graffiti Mafia [Concluded]

I explained myself, because Seamus asked me to in a sense.

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Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh

Many explanations would be positive for the town.

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I have nothing to hide in this game, hence I have no problems with explaining myself if it helps the town.

Anyway as to my vote on Husar. I urge you all to re-read the thread if you have the time. I read it all and my current conclusion is that he is guilty. Even if you might not reach the same conclusion as I have, it will still give you a better perspective of the current situation. Please just re-read it.

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Originally Posted by Husar

Hmm, I'm torn between AggonyDuck and Xiahou now.

doc_bean has a good point concerning Xiahou but IMO AggonyDuck is also a bit suspicious. He asks how his behaviour is different from previous games, may be a bit overeager to know what could give him away. He was also in the chat lately, while this is appreciated in itself, he may have been chatting with disco there.
I was suspecting Seamus before especially after talking to Sigurd a lot in the beginning of the game but I am not sure about this anymore.

Actually, since he wants to explain himself before he was even accused:

Vote: AggonyDuck

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So any reasoning for your change of behavior in this game Husar?

unvote: Seamus

Vote: AggonyDuck

Lets just say Seamus provided a convincing arguement in thread to unvote him.

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Originally Posted by Redleg

unvote: Seamus

Vote: AggonyDuck

Lets just say Seamus provided a convincing arguement in thread to unvote him.

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This is all going to crap. Convincing arguements what like I'm not mafia blah blah blah yada yada yada not blah mafia blah. Yep really convincing especially since he's throwing out names. Why are you so afraid to die Seamus?

La de la de la.

I'm hungry.

Vote: Me

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Originally Posted by discovery1

La de la de la.

I'm hungry.

Vote: Me

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I'm pretty sure he wants to commit suicide Sasaki.

Ichigo:

Either you believe from the tone of my posts that I'm not mafia or you don't.

My death will not help the town, but I won't fight it much harder than I am as it would ease my forum monitoring for a while.

You, on the other hand, are quite active here after death despite bowing out early in the other game. Something have your interest in this one more...

Never mind, never mind.....

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Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh

Ichigo:

Either you believe from the tone of my posts that I'm not mafia or you don't.

My death will not help the town, but I won't fight it much harder than I am as it would ease my forum monitoring for a while.

You, on the other hand, are quite active here after death despite bowing out early in the other game. Something have your interest in this one more...

Never mind, never mind.....

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Like I told you Seamus I do have more interest in this game because it's almost over and I've been active the entire game. I find it suspicious though that you came and put another vote on me after Disco put a deciding one on me....

Vote Count:

Seamus 2 (Ituralde,Xiahou)
Xiahou 2 (doc_bean,Seamus)
AggonyDuck 2 (Husar,Redleg)
Husar 1 (AggonyDuck)
discovery1 (la de la de la)

5 to lynch. No deadline currently.

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Originally Posted by Ichigo

So any reasoning for your change of behavior in this game Husar?

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No.:juggle2:

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Originally Posted by Husar

No.:juggle2:

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Figures

Well, we should think about who we lynch now since we don't have that many tries left.
Besides that, Seamus didn't mention any change in my behaviour, I didn't notice any change, if you noticed one you may want to explain it before asking me to give a reason for it(and there may even be none, I play like I want, I don't try to stick to any behaviour).

Duck just keeps saying I was suspicious but I haven't really understood why he thinks that, he also believes Sigurd and his "inside information" it seems, I did so in the early game as well but apparently a lot of it was not really true which makes me reject his newer accusations a bit(of course I am now suspicious on his list, first I mentioned him as possible pro-mafia, now I am possible pro-mafia in his list:inquisitive: ).

The fact you've only actually voted maybe two to three times this entire game.

Alright I've been thinking about this for a while now and I'm pretty sure the Graffiti messages from the mafia name one of their own Husar. I know this seems a little odd at first, but think about it. It would be ingenious to name one of your mafia members in their Graffiti. Once the townies figured out which one's were mafia and which were Mason's then that would put the town off of Husar and make them think he was innocent. But then why wouldn't the mafia kill him then if they've already pretty much confirmed his innocent? Well he's one of their own of course. Really Disco did you think no one would catch that?

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Originally Posted by Ichigo

Alright I've been thinking about this for a while now and I'm pretty sure the Graffiti messages from the mafia name one of their own Husar. I know this seems a little odd at first, but think about it. It would be ingenious to name one of your mafia members in their Graffiti. Once the townies figured out which one's were mafia and which were Mason's then that would put the town off of Husar and make them think he was innocent. But then why wouldn't the mafia kill him then if they've already pretty much confirmed his innocent? Well he's one of their own of course. Really Disco did you think no one would catch that?

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Big talk from a lynched person. Being lynched and all, you're in no position to name who is guilty/innocent.

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Big talk from a lynched person. Being lynched and all, you're in no position to name who is guilty/innocent.

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I highly doubt that Disco would put the deciding lynch vote on his own mafioso. It's funny that you show up after all this time to say that I can't claim anything GH. Hiding something?:inquisitive:

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Originally Posted by Ichigo

I highly doubt that Disco would put the deciding lynch vote on his own mafioso. It's funny that you show up after all this time to say that I can't claim anything GH. Hiding something?:inquisitive:

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Pardon me. I had thought that Disco's votes were irrelevant. Did I miss a rule change or something?

Husar:

I have slightly less experience with you than with the others, but you do seem closer to your baseline in style and content. Only varied a little when under attack, but I think we all do, so for me your inconclusive at this point.

Guess I'm flailing a bit here.

Disco's votes count.

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

Disco's votes count.

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WOOOHOOOO!!!!!

On an unrelated note, I could go for some booze right about now....

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Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh

Pardon me. I had thought that Disco's votes were irrelevant. Did I miss a rule change or something?

Husar:

I have slightly less experience with you than with the others, but you do seem closer to your baseline in style and content. Only varied a little when under attack, but I think we all do, so for me your inconclusive at this point.

Guess I'm flailing a bit here.

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Well when he puts the deciding vote on someone I doubt it's irrelevant, but hey that's just me.

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Originally Posted by Husar

Duck just keeps saying I was suspicious but I haven't really understood why he thinks that, he also believes Sigurd and his "inside information" it seems, I did so in the early game as well but apparently a lot of it was not really true which makes me reject his newer accusations a bit(of course I am now suspicious on his list, first I mentioned him as possible pro-mafia, now I am possible pro-mafia in his list:inquisitive: ).

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I'm basing all my decisions and suspicions on the assumption that GH is guilty. Of all the players left, you were one of the few who did not side against him. Overall you've avoided taking sides until a strong support for something has become apparent. Anyway got to go back to class now. :wall:

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Originally Posted by Ichigo

Alright I've been thinking about this for a while now and I'm pretty sure the Graffiti messages from the mafia name one of their own Husar. I know this seems a little odd at first, but think about it. It would be ingenious to name one of your mafia members in their Graffiti. Once the townies figured out which one's were mafia and which were Mason's then that would put the town off of Husar and make them think he was innocent. But then why wouldn't the mafia kill him then if they've already pretty much confirmed his innocent? Well he's one of their own of course. Really Disco did you think no one would catch that?

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Pffft, I expected to get lynched because of those messages, it's not my fault that almost noone voted for me earlier and it's no wonder that disco didn't have me killed earlier since it was to be expected that someone like you would come up with this again, having a highly suspect townie in the endgame is really good for mafiosi. And while I'm at it, weren't you the first one who jumped on it and wanted me lynched?:inquisitive:

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Originally Posted by GeneralHankerchief

Big talk from a lynched person. Being lynched and all, you're in no position to name who is guilty/innocent.

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Isn't it cute how he "defends" me with a seemingly neutral post?
A very clever way to defend his fellow mafioso, or get a townie lynched...

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Originally Posted by AggonyDuck

I'm basing all my decisions and suspicions on the assumption that GH is guilty. Of all the players left, you were one of the few who did not side against him. Overall you've avoided taking sides until a strong support for something has become apparent. Anyway got to go back to class now.

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Well, the masons and Sigurd lied a lot this game(I'm repeating myself) and that confused me quite a bit(like I said before and with almost every Abstain-vote I made). You might want to say I'm overrating it, but isn't it usually the mafia which puts up a network of lies in this game?
If Sasaki hadn't indirectly said that the masons were masons, I would still find them highly suspicious.
And who tells me that Ichigo and Sigurd were really on the masons side? Who tells me that all the lies have come to light yet?

Now the important question is who to lynch?
So far, as the Duck said, I have been abstaining a lot and effectively voted only once(for doc_bean) but I think it's time to get voting now.
AggonyDuck seems to not try to escape discussion while Xiahou, after receiving two votes, didn't react a bit and thus tried to stay under the radar I believe.
Trying to hide in the endgame is a bit suspicious, thus:

Unvote: AggonyDuck
Vote: Xiahou

Hey, it's six hours since my last post, I was expecting some responses.:furious3: :whip:

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Originally Posted by Husar

Now the important question is who to lynch?
So far, as the Duck said, I have been abstaining a lot and effectively voted only once(for doc_bean) but I think it's time to get voting now.
AggonyDuck seems to not try to escape discussion while Xiahou, after receiving two votes, didn't react a bit and thus tried to stay under the radar I believe.
Trying to hide in the endgame is a bit suspicious, thus:

Unvote: AggonyDuck
Vote: Xiahou

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I wasn't particularly concerned about 2 votes when we were 1 vote away from a lynch on Seamus. However, now I see that voting is going all over the place now. What's changed?

If someone knows Seamus to be innocent, please share it with us- otherwise, my vote has to stay. IMO, he's giving off an all too similar vibe to that of his last mafia role. I know myself to be innocent and am all but certain of Redleg's innocence... and to a lesser extent, Ituralde. Unfortunately, that leaves far too many suspicious characters around with too few rounds left to get to the bottom of it. I'm still not sure what to make of GH's slightly ham-handed defense of Husar either... misdirection? a misguided attempt to help an ally?

If the rest of the town wants to lynch the only person to have definitively caught a mafioso, that's their business- but I don't know that we have enough time remaining for such nonsense. Personally, I think that Seamus is still our best bet- although Husar's behavior might run him a close second.

Seamus and Husar are also my favourites right now. :beam:

DAMN IT!

I work up late so I only could take a shower now. Now I have to go eat and get to my next class...

VOTE: AERO ROCKS!

lalalalala

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Originally Posted by Ituralde

Seamus and Husar are also my favourites right now. :beam:

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I feel honoured.:bow:
But your return on voting for me may be a bit disappointing except if you're a mafioso.
Now that Xiahou talked a bit, I could switch to Seamus and if that doesn't work out right, you guys can lynch me, if that doesn't work out right, well, then you're screwed.:2thumbsup: (and I know how the second of those lynching will turn out...)

Ok, now that we have a plan:

Unvote: Xiahou
Vote: Seamus Fermanagh

Though that sounds like a very...obvious choice of mafiosi but the town wants to see the usual suspects lynched, this time I shall play along...

Okay, I agree. Lets get Seamus and see what happens.

Unvote: Husar
Vote: Seamus

Fair enough. Things need to keep moving forward.

Unvote; Vote:Seamus


X-man, you read about the same as always to me these last few posts. If you're scamming me, kudos to you.

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Originally Posted by Husar

Pffft, I expected to get lynched because of those messages, it's not my fault that almost noone voted for me earlier and it's no wonder that disco didn't have me killed earlier since it was to be expected that someone like you would come up with this again, having a highly suspect townie in the endgame is really good for mafiosi. And while I'm at it, weren't you the first one who jumped on it and wanted me lynched?:inquisitive:


Isn't it cute how he "defends" me with a seemingly neutral post?
A very clever way to defend his fellow mafioso, or get a townie lynched...


Well, the masons and Sigurd lied a lot this game(I'm repeating myself) and that confused me quite a bit(like I said before and with almost every Abstain-vote I made). You might want to say I'm overrating it, but isn't it usually the mafia which puts up a network of lies in this game?
If Sasaki hadn't indirectly said that the masons were masons, I would still find them highly suspicious.
And who tells me that Ichigo and Sigurd were really on the masons side? Who tells me that all the lies have come to light yet?

Now the important question is who to lynch?
So far, as the Duck said, I have been abstaining a lot and effectively voted only once(for doc_bean) but I think it's time to get voting now.
AggonyDuck seems to not try to escape discussion while Xiahou, after receiving two votes, didn't react a bit and thus tried to stay under the radar I believe.
Trying to hide in the endgame is a bit suspicious, thus:

Unvote: AggonyDuck
Vote: Xiahou

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Yeah you also kept saying that you expected to be killed by Disco which has yet to happen which is highly suspicious because if you were really innocent(which I highly doubt) then you would have been dead after the soothsayer asked his question. But if you weren't innocent then that would give you a alibi. I can't be sure about anything in this game until the end, but your looking pretty guilty to me. Especially with your jump voting you've voted for almost everyone that is alive this round! I think you've voted for more people in this round then the entire game.

I doubt Seamus is guilty because of his recent vote on himself and the fact that his posting habits seemed to have changed drastically from Mafia V. That maybe because of his game, but he tried to stay close to his old posting habits in Mafia V when he was mafia.

Damn, this is confusing. Now I again feel like changing back to Husar, but Seamus just put the deciding vote on himself, so too late for that. :wall:

No one else thinks aero rocks?

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Originally Posted by discovery1

No one else thinks aero rocks?

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No one cares.

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Originally Posted by Ichigo

No one cares.

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~:mecry: ~:mecry:

I need to brush my teeth....

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Originally Posted by Ichigo

Especially with your jump voting you've voted for almost everyone that is alive this round! I think you've voted for more people in this round then the entire game.

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I've said so myself repeatedly, why do I feel like you want me to say it yet again?:dizzy2:

@Disco: What Aero? Aero Glass? Aero Glass is cool. As a nick it's not bad either.

Seamus has been lynched.

Seamus 5 (Ituralde,Xiahou,Husar,AggonyDuck,Seamus)
Xiahou 1 (doc_bean)
AggonyDuck 1 (Redleg)


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Killed (9):

Caius Flaminius
Kagemusha
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Warluster
Masy
Don Corleone
Sir Boo
Jimbob
pevergreen

Lynched(6):
Reenk Roink
GeneralHankerchief
Dutch_guy
Kommodus
Ichigo
Seamus Fermanagh

WoG(5):
Divine Wind
Proletariat
Ultrawar
Peasant Phill
Sir Moody

Alive: (7):

discovery1
Xiahou
AggonyDuck
Ituralde
Husar
doc_bean
Redleg

pm's due by midnight tomorrow

Looks, like we still have someone left to lynch. Atleast we will have one less option for the next lynch.

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Originally Posted by AggonyDuck

Atleast we will have one less option for the next lynch.

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How relieving.:sweatdrop:

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Originally Posted by Husar

I've said so myself repeatedly, why do I feel like you want me to say it yet again?:dizzy2:

@Disco: What Aero? Aero Glass? Aero Glass is cool. As a nick it's not bad either.

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That's nice.

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Originally Posted by Husar

How relieving.:sweatdrop:

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The not so relieving part about it is that it will be our last chance to get it right.

:help:

Well we have two chances if we've atleast gotten one mafia if not then were screwed.

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Originally Posted by Ichigo

Well we have two chances if we've atleast gotten one mafia if not then were screwed.

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Exactly.
Makes me speculate whether the Duck has some insider info that we don't have?:inquisitive:

Simple maths dear friends. We will be six for the next lynch. After the lynch we will be down to five and if we fail to lynch the mafioso, we will be down to four guys due to the kill. If that situation arises we will have two villagers and disco+remaining mafioso. That means that we will have a natural tie and afaik the usually the mafia wins in such situations. That means that we have one lynching opportunity after the coming kill or we can choose to No Lynch now and get the lynch situation later on with only four options. That would mean that we have a 20% chance of lynching the mafioso this round and a 25% chance if we save up our lynching opportunity.

If I've misunderstood this, then I ask Sasaki to correct me.

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Originally Posted by AggonyDuck

Simple maths dear friends. We will be six for the next lynch. After the lynch we will be down to five and if we fail to lynch the mafioso, we will be down to four guys due to the kill. If that situation arises we will have two villagers and disco+remaining mafioso. That means that we will have a natural tie and afaik the usually the mafia wins in such situations. That means that we have one lynching opportunity after the coming kill or we can choose to No Lynch now and get the lynch situation later on with only four options. That would mean that we have a 20% chance of lynching the mafioso this round and a 25% chance if we save up our lynching opportunity.

If I've misunderstood this, then I ask Sasaki to correct me.

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You're correct, I thought we were 8 now and 7 after the kill, but as it is we have only one lynch left.:wall:

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Originally Posted by AggonyDuck

Simple maths dear friends. We will be six for the next lynch. After the lynch we will be down to five and if we fail to lynch the mafioso, we will be down to four guys due to the kill. If that situation arises we will have two villagers and disco+remaining mafioso. That means that we will have a natural tie and afaik the usually the mafia wins in such situations. That means that we have one lynching opportunity after the coming kill or we can choose to No Lynch now and get the lynch situation later on with only four options. That would mean that we have a 20% chance of lynching the mafioso this round and a 25% chance if we save up our lynching opportunity.

If I've misunderstood this, then I ask Sasaki to correct me.

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Well Sasaki might open the voting up to everyone at that point or just give the mafia the win, but who knows.

Sasaki post the kills already!! please.

"kills"

If you're correct in that plural you naughty little fellow, then this town is T-O-A-S-T.

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Originally Posted by Seamus Fermanagh

"kills"

If you're correct in that plural you naughty little fellow, then this town is T-O-A-S-T.

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Heat of the moment thing. I know there's only going to be one kill cause GH admitted to me in the chat that he was mafia.

By the time darkness fell, Redleg was safely at home with all the doors and windows locked. The town's population was declining rapidly and there was no way he was going to be caught outside after dark. After retrieving and loading his trusty shotgun, Redleg settled into his easy chair for what was promising to be an all-night vigil... However, as Redleg leaned into his chair he was suprised to hear a loud drawn out raspberry eminating from underneath him. Startled, he quickly jumped up and removed the seat cushion, revealing what looked like an enormous whoopie cushion. His confusion quickly turned to alarm when he recognized the faint scent of almonds that was now in the air. Horrified, Redleg grabbed his shotgun and ran for his front door.

Already beginning to feel dizzy and breathless from the effects of the cyanide gas, he flung open the door and ran outside desperate for fresh air. In his panicked state, he didn't even notice the jump rope tied tightly across the bottom of his doorway. Redleg stumbled and fell hard on the sidewalk, his shotgun landing a few feet in front of him. With his vision beginning to blur, he stretched out an arm to reach for his weapon only to have his hand promptly stepped on by a foot shod in a giant red clown shoe. Immediately after this, he was kicked hard in the head by what he could only assume was the assailant's other foot.

The last sound Redleg heard as he lost consciousness was that of a horn... *honka!*honka!*

Redleg's body was found the next morning in a dumpster, his hands bound behind him with a jumprope and a whoopie cushion crammed into his mouth.


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Killed (10):

Caius Flaminius
Kagemusha
Sigurd Fafnesbane
Warluster
Masy
Don Corleone
Sir Boo
Jimbob
pevergreen
Redleg

Lynched(6):
Reenk Roink
GeneralHankerchief
Dutch_guy
Kommodus
Ichigo
Seamus Fermanagh

WoG(5):
Divine Wind
Proletariat
Ultrawar
Peasant Phill
Sir Moody

Alive: (6):

discovery1
Xiahou
AggonyDuck
Ituralde
Husar
doc_bean


With 6 alive, it's 4 to lynch. As soon as the 4th vote on someone is cast, the game is over, even if someone unvotes afterwards. You may not vote for no lynch this round.

I'm pretty sure of Husar's guilt and I hope you all are also. Though you can choose not to take my advice I strongly advise you to lynch Husar.

What a shame, only lived to vote once. Oh well

Well well, townies… It seems I have at least been wrong about one of the players I have been pushing towards the gallows. Worst case scenario is two Mafiosi left and that will spell VICTORY to the Mafia. Alas, no mafia is here to gloat so I believe there is still one chance to win this for the townies.

One thing has been buggering me a little and that is:

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Originally Posted by Xiahou

If the rest of the town wants to lynch the only person to have definitively caught a mafioso, that's their business- but I don't know that we have enough time remaining for such nonsense. Personally, I think that Seamus is still our best bet- although Husar's behavior might run him a close second.

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Now this seems to me like a cooked up alibi. He claims to be the only one who caught GH’s “mistake”… but there were many more of the players in this game there catching the same mistake and voiced it too. But as me and Husar have found out we can’t recreate that quit event. The only way is if we write a quit message. This could be the case here; a sacrifice of one of their own to establish an alibi for a later time. A time such as this.

Now the removal of Redleg was a good move as he was probably the least suspicious here. AggonyDuck is playing the typical townie role and it might as well be a cover for a more sinister role. He has the experience to pull this off. I was his Godfather in an earlier game and he is acting very similar, always eager to listen to advice as long as they draw away any suspicion from him.

Husar is acting the same way as he did in the endgame of GF2… trying to stay a little suspicious to keep from getting nailed by the mafia and ensuring that a more suspicious player stays ahead of him on the voting tally. This round he would be the most suspicious… let’s see what he will do.

doc_bean has been lurking a lot in this game… with only 3 more posts than Ignoramus tells a tale of not being too involved in this game. If he is not Mafiosi… the town will need his vote. Maybe he is the wild card… the one that the mafia keeps under the radar?

Ituralde is the Soothsayer… but he wasted his question on the obvious. As we were told by Sasaki… the mafia were picked before the soothsayer was chosen. There is a remote chance that Ituralde already was in the mafia gang when getting his pm from Sasaki.

Discovery1… sits on the key to all this.
It is he who chose the mafia in this game. Considering the problems I faced when having henchmen in other timezones when I was GF, I would think that he has chosen his henchmen close to him… GH, Kommodus and Seamus are all Americans are they not?
Doc_bean is Belgian, Husar and Ituralde are German and Aggony is Finnish.
That leaves only Xiahou… I am thinking American, but I can’t be sure.
Would Discovery1 be as the stereotype American and only play with fellow Americans?

I leave you to your voting villagers…

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Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane

doc_bean has been lurking a lot in this game… with only 3 more posts than Ignoramus tells a tale of not being too involved in this game. If he is not Mafiosi… the town will need his vote. Maybe he is the wild card… the one that the mafia keeps under the radar?

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I've already said I wasn't paying too much attention to this game (and apologized already), I'm in the middle of my mid terms and involved in the other mafia game (breaking my rule of never participating in two games at once, I swear I tried to resist... )

I find your time zone idea intriguing, it's definitely been a problem in other mafia games I've played. I'm naturally suspicious of Xiahou since he's the type that flies under the radar, even if he doesn't lurk. But then I don't have anything solid on him.

Husar has been accused since the start, but never lynched, could this have been a vital mistake ? It's rare that someone manages to survive suspicion that long. perhaps a few tactical kills and some strategic voting by his fellow mafiosi helped a bit ? Though lynching someone for surviving hardly seems like a good reason.

AgonnyDuck and Ithuralde then, also two people who don't tend to draw much suspicion. I don't have much on them.

This is a difficult choice, and I'd like to hear all your opinions before committing to a vote. :bow:

Beside from my own innocence I'm convinced of nothing in this game. Looking at the list of players that remain no one of them has acted outright suspicious making this a really difficult choice. Anyone of them could be a mafioso that has just hidden himself very well. I already applaud your playing skills, I don't know if I had managed to stay inconspicious for so long.

My sensible choice in this situation would be to vote Husar. It's just that when we consider this game in retrospective we would bite our own arses if Husar really turned out to be Mafia after all the clues handed to us. He has been alligning with discovery1 from the beginning. So either he was just fooling around acting on the Mafia graffitti or he just took the chance to play with our minds a little bit, making himself so obvious, that he can't possibly be Mafia.
So my main reason for lynching Husar is to not look dumb afterwards. :sweatdrop:

While not a very good reason I have even less on the other players. Maybe if I reread the entire thread once again I might come to different conclusions. Frankly, I can't find the time for that right now.

So my vote stays.

Vote: Husar

Quotation marathon:

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Originally Posted by Ichigo

I'm pretty sure of Husar's guilt and I hope you all are also. Though you can choose not to take my advice I strongly advise you to lynch Husar.

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I'm also sure of my guilt which adds up to maybe 20% for acting so suspisious as to lead the town astray. I would have really accepted my lynch if I knew the others had another chance but as this is the last voting round, I can only advise to choose someone else, I'm just going to say that once and if you decide to lynch me still, well...

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Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane

Now this seems to me like a cooked up alibi. He claims to be the only one who caught GH’s “mistake”… but there were many more of the players in this game there catching the same mistake and voiced it too. But as me and Husar have found out we can’t recreate that quit event. The only way is if we write a quit message. This could be the case here; a sacrifice of one of their own to establish an alibi for a later time. A time such as this.

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You have a point there.
Just yesterday I was talking to Csar in the chat that I was positive about Xiahou being not guilty because he seemed to put forth "strong" evidence against GH but he may have done it to create an alibi. It might also explain why Gh repeatedly admitted to be a mafioso so that everyone shall know Xiahou was an opponent to a known mafioso...

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Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane

Husar is acting the same way as he did in the endgame of GF2… trying to stay a little suspicious to keep from getting nailed by the mafia and ensuring that a more suspicious player stays ahead of him on the voting tally. This round he would be the most suspicious… let’s see what he will do.

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You're right, I should change my profile a bit.
What I'm doing is this quotation mess in order to correct a bit of my wrongly established suspiciousness. We'll see what the others will do now.:juggle2:

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Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane

Discovery1… sits on the key to all this.
It is he who chose the mafia in this game. Considering the problems I faced when having henchmen in other timezones when I was GF, I would think that he has chosen his henchmen close to him… GH, Kommodus and Seamus are all Americans are they not?
Doc_bean is Belgian, Husar and Ituralde are German and Aggony is Finnish.
That leaves only Xiahou… I am thinking American, but I can’t be sure.
Would Discovery1 be as the stereotype American and only play with fellow Americans?

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Well, didn't think about the timezones before, since I often am in the chat when disco is, you might want to add me as a likely choice as well.
But also keep in mind that disco may be doing all the work on his own because that lowers the chances of one of his henchmen getting caught.

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Originally Posted by doc_bean

I find your time zone idea intriguing, it's definitely been a problem in other mafia games I've played. I'm naturally suspicious of Xiahou since he's the type that flies under the radar, even if he doesn't lurk. But then I don't have anything solid on him.

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Agreed.

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Originally Posted by doc_bean

Husar has been accused since the start, but never lynched, could this have been a vital mistake ?

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No.

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Originally Posted by doc_bean

It's rare that someone manages to survive suspicion that long.

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Really?

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Originally Posted by doc_bean

perhaps a few tactical kills and some strategic voting by his fellow mafiosi helped a bit ? Though lynching someone for surviving hardly seems like a good reason.

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Well, you might want to show some examples for thinking that supportive kills helped me stay alive. Apart from that, I wouldn't know of any fellow mafiosi.:sweatdrop:

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This is a difficult choice, and I'd like to hear all your opinions before committing to a vote. :bow:

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I agree and here is mine.:2thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Ituralde

Beside from my own innocence I'm convinced of nothing in this game.

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A classical sentence which I try to avoid myself since it is rather pointless and doesn't help anyone, does it?

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Originally Posted by Ituralde

[...]we would bite our own arses[...]

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You can still do that after lynching me.:2thumbsup:

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So my main reason for lynching Husar is to not look dumb afterwards. :sweatdrop:

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Aha, makes me special in the sense that other people being mafiosi would not make you look dumb afterwards?

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Maybe if I reread the entire thread once again I might come to different conclusions.

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Maybe, maybe not.

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Vote: Husar

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I would applaud you now for consistency if this wasn't the last round and if I didn't know the outcome of this.


Now I'm going to wait for Csar to tell everyone how suspicious this post makes me with my pseudo-defense and intelligent mafia tricks.
Oh noes, repeating myself I think, over and out.:sweatdrop:

Sasaki, why can't we vote No Lynch?

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Originally Posted by AggonyDuck

Sasaki, why can't we vote No Lynch?

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Cuz I won't kill anyone if you do, getting you nowhere.

And this game would last for all eternity.

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Originally Posted by discovery1

Cuz I won't kill anyone if you do, getting you nowhere.

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I knew it.:furious3:

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Quotation marathon:


I'm also sure of my guilt which adds up to maybe 20% for acting so suspisious as to lead the town astray. I would have really accepted my lynch if I knew the others had another chance but as this is the last voting round, I can only advise to choose someone else, I'm just going to say that once and if you decide to lynch me still, well...


You have a point there.
Just yesterday I was talking to Csar in the chat that I was positive about Xiahou being not guilty because he seemed to put forth "strong" evidence against GH but he may have done it to create an alibi. It might also explain why Gh repeatedly admitted to be a mafioso so that everyone shall know Xiahou was an opponent to a known mafioso...


You're right, I should change my profile a bit.
What I'm doing is this quotation mess in order to correct a bit of my wrongly established suspiciousness. We'll see what the others will do now.:juggle2:


Well, didn't think about the timezones before, since I often am in the chat when disco is, you might want to add me as a likely choice as well.
But also keep in mind that disco may be doing all the work on his own because that lowers the chances of one of his henchmen getting caught.


Agreed.


No.


Really?


Well, you might want to show some examples for thinking that supportive kills helped me stay alive. Apart from that, I wouldn't know of any fellow mafiosi.:sweatdrop:


I agree and here is mine.:2thumbsup:


A classical sentence which I try to avoid myself since it is rather pointless and doesn't help anyone, does it?


You can still do that after lynching me.:2thumbsup:


Aha, makes me special in the sense that other people being mafiosi would not make you look dumb afterwards?


Maybe, maybe not.


I would applaud you now for consistency if this wasn't the last round and if I didn't know the outcome of this.


Now I'm going to wait for Csar to tell everyone how suspicious this post makes me with my pseudo-defense and intelligent mafia tricks.
Oh noes, repeating myself I think, over and out.:sweatdrop:

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No I won't I'm just waiting to see the outcome of this game.

While Sigurd brings up a valid point about the same timezone's thing there is one flaw if it is true. If Disco really is sending in all the kills to Sasaki then there wouldn't really be a need to keep in contact with your mafioso besides to tell them who you plan on killing. So it would be less likely for them to get caught PMing each other.

GH said the chat incident was a noob mistake on his part, but if this was really all a ploy then I think we've already lost and there is not way to win at this point. Sad really I was hoping this would turn out a Townie win.

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Now this seems to me like a cooked up alibi. He claims to be the only one who caught GH’s “mistake”… but there were many more of the players in this game there catching the same mistake and voiced it too. But as me and Husar have found out we can’t recreate that quit event. The only way is if we write a quit message. This could be the case here; a sacrifice of one of their own to establish an alibi for a later time. A time such as this.

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I wasn't claiming that I was the only one to catch his mistake- I'm claiming that I was the one who got him lynched for it.

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Husar is acting the same way as he did in the endgame of GF2… trying to stay a little suspicious to keep from getting nailed by the mafia and ensuring that a more suspicious player stays ahead of him on the voting tally. This round he would be the most suspicious… let’s see what he will do.

doc_bean has been lurking a lot in this game… with only 3 more posts than Ignoramus tells a tale of not being too involved in this game. If he is not Mafiosi… the town will need his vote. Maybe he is the wild card… the one that the mafia keeps under the radar?

Ituralde is the Soothsayer… but he wasted his question on the obvious. As we were told by Sasaki… the mafia were picked before the soothsayer was chosen. There is a remote chance that Ituralde already was in the mafia gang when getting his pm from Sasaki.

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ATM, Husar and Doc are still my most suspicious characters. Husar could be trying the 'hiding in plain sight' tactic- looking suspicious while staying very vocal and very active. He's been under suspicion almost the entire game, yet here he still is. Doc, is suspicious primarily for his lurker status- he claims to have an excuse for it, but how are we to know?

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That leaves only Xiahou… I am thinking American, but I can’t be sure.
Would Discovery1 be as the stereotype American and only play with fellow Americans?

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I'm American, but I'm pretty sure disco lives on the other side of the country from me. Not that it matters- I'm not working for him.

Be mindful when placing a vote this round. It only takes 4 to lynch… Remember there are two Mafiosi left in this game; Discovery1 and our unknown Mafioso.
It only takes two townies voting for the wrong person to end this game as Discovery and his henchman will surely bandwagon and end this.

I propose a serious discussion between the remaining players is in order before placing any votes. Use this advantage townies… there will be no lynching unless there is a majority of votes. You have the power to stall this… night will not come unless a lynch has taken place. The Devil is bound. Use it to root out the last Mafioso.

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Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane

I propose a serious discussion between the remaining players is in order before placing any votes. Use this advantage townies… there will be no lynching unless there is a majority of votes. You have the power to stall this… night will not come unless a lynch has taken place. The Devil is bound. Use it to root out the last Mafioso.

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Very nice speech, are you the corrupt politician?~;)
You're right of course, we shouldn't vote until we have slept at least 100 times over it.
This also gives doc_bean and Ituralde time to read the topic and give us their educated views on the matter at hand.:juggle2:

*removed vote for disco--dead can't vote (sasaki)*

He's obviously guilty

I'm torn at the moment between the obvious choice of Husar andthe not so obvious other choices. Of the remaining players, he is the one who I find the most suspicious. In fact I have problems finding anything suspicious about the others, which might be a bit suspicious too when you think about it.

But I'm going to go with my suspicions. If I voted for the wrong guy, then I applaud the remaining mafioso, because he has completely avoided my suspicions. Thus:

Vote: Husar

Ugh, I just reread the entire thread and i'm not much wiser.

I *think* it's AggonyDuck based on his voting record (no lynch first round, bandwagoned at times, kept going after Seamus, perhaps trying not to offend too many other players ?)

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Cuz I won't kill anyone if you do, getting you nowhere.

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Isn't that actually a good thing for us? A mafia not killing anyone is the same as no mafia. You'd actually be forced to kill us to actually win the game, while an peaceful coexistence is nothing negative for the villagers.

Unvote: Husar
Vote: Abstain

I want to hold up with my vote a bit longer. Gonna check the thread...again...:book:

Something I noticed when re-reading the thread:

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I took a leap of faith and had a go at following the mafias pattern - Dutch_Guy defended my brother while i defended someone newish(Itrulde) and Warluster protected a veteran(not sure who).

As we now know thanks to timmy this paid off someone tried to kill Itrulde and i blocked it - result only 1 death (kage)

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The mafia tried to kill Ituralde, making him innocent. That cuts our options down a bit, which is atleast something.

GO FASTER!

And I'm sure you want a never ending mafia game Duck.

Now:

Xiahou says it's me or doc.
doc_bean says it may be Duck.
Ituralde thinks it's me(voted already).
AggonyDuck excludes Ituralde(voted me but took it back).
Husar thinks it's one of the four above but would exclude Ituralde because he seemed to be the soothsayer and Duck raised a good defense.
discovery1 wants this to end and is definitely guilty.

Now I just realized that if disco and his mafioso had jumped onto those two votes, I would be dead already, except if either I or one of the two voting for me were mafiosi.
Does all that get us anywhere?

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Now:

Xiahou says it's me or doc.
doc_bean says it may be Duck.
Ituralde thinks it's me(voted already).
AggonyDuck excludes Ituralde(voted me but took it back).
Husar thinks it's one of the four above but would exclude Ituralde because he seemed to be the soothsayer and Duck raised a good defense.
discovery1 wants this to end and is definitely guilty.

Now I just realized that if disco and his mafioso had jumped onto those two votes, I would be dead already, except if either I or one of the two voting for me were mafiosi.
Does all that get us anywhere?

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The mafioso is either asleep, you or very confident ?

Ah man when will this game end!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How did we end up with so many suspicious people left? :help:

I could see Husar, Doc, or AD as mafia and unsurprisingly, there's been scant little discussion. I've got to follow my gut and vote Husar- here's hoping I'm right. :sweatdrop:

vote: Husar

The more I look, the more it comes back to Husar- he's been playing through the game like he has a role to protect. We know who the soothsayer was, we know who the masons were... what's that leave?

Vote Faster!!!!

vote: AggonyDuck

Hold your horses on:

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I took a leap of faith and had a go at following the mafias pattern - Dutch_Guy defended my brother while i defended someone newish(Itrulde) and Warluster protected a veteran(not sure who).
As we now know thanks to timmy this paid off someone tried to kill Itrulde and i blocked it - result only 1 death (kage)

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Sir Moody is merely making a guess here. Who is to say that Ituralde was the one attacked in that round?
True Little Timmy had sent a note to a possible Mafioso about Ituralde, but it has been disputed how that mechanic works. It was Ichigo who got the note with Ituralde on it.
It could very well be Sir Boo or that other “veteran” who was attacked and was saved by the masons.

I also note that Husar has received 2 votes but not another 2 quick ones from the mafia.
I see two possibilities from this:
Either Xiahou missed the unvote from Aggony and thought that Discovery1 would follow up with a quick finish.
OR
Husar is our last Mafioso and hence the mafia is waiting for another Bandwagon.

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Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane

Either Xiahou missed the unvote from Aggony and thought that Discovery1 would follow up with a quick finish.
OR
Husar is our last Mafioso and hence the mafia is waiting for another Bandwagon.

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OR
AggonyDuck hasn't been here since Xiahou voted and will jump onto it once he comes
OR
Ituralde is the mafioso for some weird reason.

But I already see this as a townie loss with my death.

And for the little hope there is:
I don't think Xiahou missed anything because he tried to give a reason for his vote, if he thought disco would finish me off anyway, he could have just voted, especially at a time where we europeans are asleep.

doc_bean strengthens my believe a bit that the duck may well be responsible for this.
Duck joined Ituralde, maybe in an attempt to get another townie to join in, then took back the vote to not look like he was defending a lost cause.
OR doc_bean is waiting for disco to come back and will then suddenly switch his vote over to me.

I don't believe it's Ituralde or Xiahou but I don't want to take chances yet so I will not vote for the Duck yet.

Having read all posts so far, my vote stays. I'm not yet fully convinced of Husars guilt, but for me he's the most suspicious.
And as stated before I'd rather lose to a Mafia that hides cunningly than to one that tries to hide in plain sight.

Edit: Posted at the same time as Husar. Really all those possibilities remain. For me this game has turned into a Lottery and I've placed my bet.

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OR doc_bean is waiting for disco to come back and will then suddenly switch his vote over to me.

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I think i could have done that last night if I had wanted to. I feel that either AggonyDuck or Ithuralde wanted a bandwagon against you. So for now Xiahou is off the hook, at least for me.

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I don't believe it's Ituralde or Xiahou but I don't want to take chances yet so I will not vote for the Duck yet.

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Well, AgonnyDuck and Discovery had a little debate going this last day, but that could have been done to throw us off. Ithurlade started the whole *won't we feel dumb if Husar really was mafia* thing, now that's a very good attempt at starting a bandwagon, I felt tempted to jump.

ARGH!!!