I would like to see the coals stoked on this one... the embers are dying.
So you didn't infiltrate the Don meeting CR and you don't have a pro account on quicktopic. I am fairly sure you mentioned something about having a pro account a long time ago.
Search doesn't find anything.
02-28-2008, 00:22
Craterus
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
Craterus, suspected Don, with his vote for Gibson, leads one to believe he's involved with Ichigo and CA.
How?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
Exactly as a don in one of the Godfather mafia games did, he's posting early after the night summary trying to start a run on gibson.
Irrelevant. Day phases start fairly awkwardly for me (GMT). It's late now and sometimes they finish before I get back from college. So, it's either an early vote or none at all and who knows what you'd make of inactivity. Very little, I gather, from the way the lurkers have slipped under the radar this game.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
tally:
Charge: 1 (sasaki)
Craterus: 1 (CR)
Did you deliberately ignore my vote? The one upon which your entire accusation rests? ~:rolleyes:
02-28-2008, 00:23
TinCow
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
With this post, Capo de Tutti Capi - II (without sign-ups, rules, etc.) has exceeded the entirety of Capo de Tutti Capi - I.
:birthday2: :belly: :verycool:
I now return you to TinCow's post.
-- sf
Quote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
One of the Town's most important things it can do is to share around as much information as it can. This leads to large webs of townies who are all able to work together. TinCow's post clearly shows that he was withholding some information from the town as a whole - something only scum would do.
Yes, only scum would withhold things like the identities of multiple detectives. It would be of vital town importance to have this information known to everyone. :inquisitive:
Quote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
I ask you here - If he had no conclusive proof about anyone, how did he know they were pro-town? Perhaps he had scum-buddies on that list, or he was just trying to make friends?
I knew the identities of a large number of people working in protection and vigilante groups. I did not trust all of them, but most seemed reliable. While in retrospect I seem to have misjudged a few people, my decision was to stop the Stracchi from targeting the people in these groups. These are the people I referred to as "pro-town" in the referenced post.
Quote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
he says he is suspicious of Craterus and Sasaki with no evidence he is willing to come forward with to back it up. I am not defending either of these two, I am just saying that *if* they were mafia, TinCow would have to have access to some sort of alternative detective results, ie - Made detective results.
I have access to detective results from 4 separate detectives. Of course, because I am scum, I cannot reveal their names.
Quote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
So perhaps the "as well" could be read as a sign of GH's guilt? So why was TinCow so eager to save him and see him elected as a Director? Perhaps GH was recruited really early into his family or TinCow was trying to form another family earlier with him at the top. Could GH or TinCow explain this to us?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
What's up with this post?
Both of these were fully explained here several days ago.
02-28-2008, 00:25
Craterus
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
@Caius: You asked for a link but I'm too lazy to search back through the thread. But if you look at TinCow's post at the top of the last page, you'll see he addresses my post and says that gibson is a minor threat and the only Stracchi remaining.
02-28-2008, 00:31
Xehh II
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
Vote: Charge
02-28-2008, 00:34
Sasaki Kojiro
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
Both of these were fully explained here several days ago.
I was curious about that post because it's the 15th post in the thread. It's surprising that you were already working with GH there, and that you refer to him being your friend for many years (while seemingly in character).
02-28-2008, 00:37
Crazed Rabbit
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
Craterus - you were also protected by an unknown character. Why was that? What reason did a doctor have to protect you?
If you have a role you could reveal it and be at less danger since there's a doctor who likes you - if you're town.
Otherwise you're mafia.
CR
02-28-2008, 00:38
TinCow
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
I was curious about that post because it's the 15th post in the thread. It's surprising that you were already working with GH there, and that you refer to him being your friend for many years (while seemingly in character).
I wasn't working with him yet, but we've been playing KOTR together for the last 15 months. I just voted for someone I knew. You'll note that Northnovas and gibson are also long-time KOTR players. That's how the group first came together.
02-28-2008, 01:00
Charge
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
Guess, everything I'll say "will be used against me" right?
02-28-2008, 01:02
Sigurd
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Search doesn't find anything.
He has over 5000 posts to his name...
And they are both getting off the hook just because I seemingly had a mafia role.
Why aren't the town doing anything about this?
Oh.. wait the mafia is leading the town around by its nose.
Go town :2thumbsup:. You are really doing a great job.
Whatever you do, do not vote TinCow or CR.
02-28-2008, 02:08
Crazed Rabbit
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
You 'seemingly' had a role?
Good sir, you stretch the bounds of the English language and I shall not stand idly by while you abuse it so!
A known mafia, Andres, warned people not to vote for you before you 'revealed'. You killed those who were pro-town.
No one should heed you.
Crazed Rabbit
02-28-2008, 02:20
TinCow
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
CR, you must not have read Sigurd's previous posts. He made it perfectly clear that he wasn't working for the mafia.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane
I am not a Don, but I have worked for the mafia. I have been contacted several times by Capo II’s version of the Wolf. This wolf has put me in contact with the most powerful Dons. They are allowed to call in favours in the form of hits. I am the Hitman. I killed w&f,Louis and lastly tried to kill TinCow. They were all orders from the mafia Dons. My win conditions will be a result of how many points I am able to gain from these killings.
See? No mafia involvement at all.
02-28-2008, 03:23
woad&fangs
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
Good sir, you stretch the bounds of the English language and I shall not stand idly by while you abuse it so!
This coming from the guy who brought us mafia/Mafia:laugh4:
02-28-2008, 03:26
TruePraetorian
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
CR, your throwing around a lot of blame...to hide any suspicion against you maybe? In the past two pages you have accused everyone who has spoken out against you...
and about elite ferret a page back, him noy replying further explains hes hiding for some reason.
02-28-2008, 05:58
PershsNhpios
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
I think, Sigurd, the Mafia are leading each other around by the nose.
Because the township is not participating actively in the discussion, days have simply become a matter of groups of up to five people all pointing the finger at one another.
Hence the reason why nobody is listening to anybody - because they aren't trying to find the right end to this game, they are trying to push their end for this game.
JIMBOB! Come on Herr Director! Introduce cohesion and objective to all of this before it degenerates any further!
DISCUSS! ACTUALLY DISCUSS!
02-28-2008, 06:05
Crazed Rabbit
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
Quote:
Originally Posted by TruePraetorian
CR, your throwing around a lot of blame...to hide any suspicion against you maybe? In the past two pages you have accused everyone who has spoken out against you...
and about elite ferret a page back, him noy replying further explains hes hiding for some reason.
I throw blame where blame needs be thrown. Is Craterus not suspicious?
Quote:
This coming from the guy who brought us mafia/Mafia
We must always respect the delicacies and intricacies of language.
:beam:
CR
02-28-2008, 06:36
CountArach
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
I think, Sigurd, the Mafia are leading each other around by the nose.
Because the township is not participating actively in the discussion, days have simply become a matter of groups of up to five people all pointing the finger at one another.
Hence the reason why nobody is listening to anybody - because they aren't trying to find the right end to this game, they are trying to push their end for this game.
JIMBOB! Come on Herr Director! Introduce cohesion and objective to all of this before it degenerates any further!
DISCUSS! ACTUALLY DISCUSS!
If you want discussion provide it yourself, or PM around the Townies. Don't just talk, take action.
Clearly, one of the three of us did not show up. Since Haudegen was himself targeted for a hit, it seems blatantly obvious that he was not the person at fault. Therefore either CountArach or I are lying about participating in the hit, clearly in collusion with the Rose mafia family. This also suggests that Ichigo is from the Rose mafia family.
The leap you take with your logic here is amazing. First you say that Haudegen is innocent because he was targeted for a hit from a Mafia family, while conveniently ignoring that there are in fact multiple families, so simply being targeted means nothing at all.
And then you assume that just because he was targeted, I must be guilty? It really does seem like you have fabricated this whole thing without thinking it through. Then you assume that I must be working with Ichigo because he didn't die? I really just don't follow the logic there. It seems to me like this (Correct me if I am wrong):
Haudegen Attacked = Haudegen Innocent = Arach Guilty = Arach Killing Haudegen
I just don't follow...
02-28-2008, 07:41
Sasaki Kojiro
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
I believe Crazed Rabbit to be a Don
I posted last page how he asked me about getting member IP's before sigurd had accused him of getting the IP from a mafia don chatboard. So I exchanged some pm's with him. See for yourself:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
Sasaki,
Through IP tracking I found the person identifying themselves as Don Corleone lived Norway.
Sigurd lives there. Barring any other Norwegians in the game, he seemed the likely suspect.
At the time, it was important to keep that info secret. It remains almost as important now, though obviously it has been mentioned in the thread.
If you have further questions, please ask them via PM and not in the thread.
CR
*some pm's where I expressed mistrust and he asked why he should trust me left out here*
Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
Well, the third possibility is I use Proletariat's Don Pm from Capo I to communicate in such a way that is not a 'one trick pony' but also means I am not a don.
But for the love of pete, do not repeat the above information. It can be of no use except to assure you or enlighten the mafia. I know you understand the importance of keeping it under wraps.
It is my hope that by providing this info you will be able to quell your suspicions.
Tincow has more reason than that to trust me, and I have more reason to trust him.
Again, if you have questions, feel free to PM me.
CR
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Ok...but what did you answer to these questions:
"1. Your family name – there should only be one of each.
2. The codeword in parenthesis in the first section (Victory conditions)
3. The third word in the first section (Victory conditions)
4. Quote sentence no.1 in paragraph A (General) from the section; Powers & Responsibilities."
Proles pm from last game has the same format and sections apparently? I can see how you slipped by with number one since only one family had responded.
Sasaki
Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
The PM wasn't exactly the same, and I had to make educated guesses as to what was what. You're right about the family name and little response to the email.
CR
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
I was asking you what your guesses were.
Sasaki
Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit
That I'll keep to myself. Suffice to say it was along the lines of what you'd expect for the victory conditions of a Don - kill off the other dons and enough townies, etc., etc.
CR
I find this to completely unbelievable. I can only assume that he was hoping I couldn't get a copy of the don pm from capo 1. However it was posted in the thread.
First, it should be obvious to anyone that's played both games that the format has changed drastically.
Cap I townie pm:
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Quote:
Your Role: Townie
Your basic mode for success is to vote to lynch Mafiosi, eventually removing the mafia threat from Fatlington and creating a town win.
Role Changing:
At your discretion, however, this role can change. This will take time, effort, and coordination with other townies. If you:
Combine with 3 other townies you can attempt to kill one target per night (after two successful kills, you will become a “Wise Guy” and can progress from there).
Combine with 2 other townies you can attempt to protect one target per night (after two successful protections, one of you may become a “Doctor “ and can progress from there).
Creating these combinations is up to you however, and you will have to work out your own deals/contracts/arrangements for forming such a combo with the other players.
PM’s:
Each night you are still alive, PM me with instructions for your actions that night. These may be:
“Get some sleep” “Protect so-and-so in combination with player 1, player 2…” or “kill so-and-so in combination with player 1, player 2…”
Warning: if the requisite number of townies is NOT available, the protection/kill effort will almost certainly fail. If a townie attempts a kill/protection solo, the effort will certainly fail, and there will be at least one chance in three that the townie will perish in the attempt.
Investigations:
It is most probable that, if investigated by a Detective or by a Made Gangster, you will be discovered as “innocent.” Remember, however, that a significant minority (20%) of townspeople will register as “unclear” rather than innocent if investigated by a Made and as “criminal” (5-10%) if investigated by a detective. You will only register as “guilty” if you have participated in a killing.
Getting Recruited:
What if a Mafioso seeks to recruit you? You can respond as you wish to such an offer. However, if they believe you to be a Wise Guy and use you as part of a kill team, that team will very likely fail unless you are an “extra” and they already have sufficient killers on the team.
Capo II townie pm:
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Quote:
Role
Townie
Victory Condition
You achieve victory by voting to lynch suspicious individuals and/or participate personally in their removal until such time as: a) all of the Mafia Dons, original and created, have been killed and b) the remaining townies and unaligned WiseGuys outnumber the remaining Mafiosi. Your personal survival, though important, is secondary to the overall success of the town.
Powers & Responsibilities
A. General:
1. Townies have no special role-related qualities at the outset of the game – you are the “salt of the earth” of Fatlington.
2. Here is where information as to any whacky individual characteristics will go. They will NOT be for sharing with any other player, but may provide you some advantage. ANY information in RED on your rolesheets is to be held in strict confidence and NOT shared in any manner during the game without the express prior consent of the Game host. You have been warned. Save it for your post-game write up.
B. Day Actions:
1. You can select/vote as can all players.
C. Night Actions:
1. In combination with 3 other townies, you can form a vigilante group (4 required) and attempt to kill one other player. More than 4 townies can work in the same group, though this does not provide any other benefit aside from participation credit. If only 2 or 3 townies participate in a kill effort, that effort automatically fails. If only 1 townie attempts a kill, that effort fails and the townie has a 1 in 3 chance of dying themselves in making the failed attempt.
2. After two such successful kills, you may elect to continue the game as a Wiseguy, or you may remain a Townie. You will be given this role-change opportunity only once.
3. In combination with 2 other townies, you can form a protection group (3 required) and attempt to protect one other player. If no attack occurs, nothing happens. If the target is attacked your group will save her/him and receive credit for the save. More than 3 townies can work in the same group, though this does not provide any other benefit aside from participation credit. If only 2 townies participate in a save effort and the target is attacked, that effort automatically fails. If only 1 townie attempts a save and the target is attacked, that effort fails and the townie has a 1 in 3 chance of dying themselves in making the failed attempt.
4. After two such successful saves, one of your group may be selected (randomly) to continue the game as a Doctor. If refused, the opportunity will be passed to another member of that group. You will be given this role-change opportunity only once.
5. If you: a) choose to continue in a protection group without becoming a doctor, b) have never participated in a killing, and c) you participate in a two additional saves, you will be offered the opportunity to become a Detective for the remainder of the Game. You will be given this role-change opportunity only once.
D. Investigations:
1. If investigated by a Detective or a Made Gangster, it is most probable that you will be discovered as “innocent.” Remember, however, that a significant minority (20%) of townspeople will register as “unclear” rather than innocent if investigated by a Made and as “criminal” if investigated by a detective. These 20% minorities will not be the same for both categories. You will only register as “guilty” if you have participated in a killing.
Role Changing
As noted above under night actions, it is possible for you to change roles. Once you change roles from Townie to WiseGuy, Doctor or Detective, however, you may not reverse the decision – you have made a permanent change. You may progress into other roles from there as appropriate to your new role.
Now, the Don pm from last game:
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
Quote:
Your Role: Don Corleone
You are the boss of a crime family, and your goal is to take over Fatlington and become the Capo de Tutti Capi (Captain of Captains). To do this, you will need to eliminate all of the other Dons and establish a crime family that outnumbers the remaining Mafiosi and citizens of the town.
Powers and Limitations:
Your death is part of the victory conditions for the other Dons, and will also severely limit your families chance of success as creating a new Don is time-consuming.
You will almost always appear innocent in investigations because, normally, the Don makes no moves him/herself – that’s what your family members are for!
You will choose some “signature” component that will feature in all of your family’s killings. This may be a consistent method, a symbol or calling card, or some other distinctive characteristic – but it must be used in each killing without exception. You must notify me of this characteristic with your first nighttime PM.
If you have no other family members left, you may perform one of the following once per night: a) attempt to kill one target, or b) attempt to investigate two other citizens. Your investigation will parallel those of a made and help you identify further possible recruits.
You, and only you from your family, are aware of a special “friend” of the Mafiosi of Fatlington – The Wolf. Though not a member of your family, this person can provide unusually effective protection once in a while making it easier for your Family to achieve success and harder for detectives to track you. This is not without a price however, as you then owe The Wolf a favor which he/she can collect when they see fit and which you MUST honor, unless it would involve attacking a member of your own family.
PM’s:
Each night you are still alive, PM me with instructions for your actions that night. These may be:
“Get some sleep” OR if solo “kill so-and-so” or “investigate so and so”
Investigations:
If investigated by a Detective or by a Made Gangster, you will almost certainly be discovered to be “innocent.” You will only register as “criminal” or “guilty” if you have personally participated in a killing.
Corleone Luca = GeneralHankerchief
Corleone Made = Major Robert Dump
The Wolf = Sasaki Kojiro
Now, here's the list of test questions again:
Quote:
The meeting of the Dons will be on an external forum where new accounts will be made, one for each Don (the dons register via a link provided).
Send an email using a fresh account, like the one provided above, with answers to these questions where the answers will only be found in the non red sections of your role pm:
1. Your family name – there should only be one of each.
2. The codeword in parenthesis in the first section (Victory conditions)
3. The third word in the first section (Victory conditions)
4. Quote sentence no.1 in paragraph A (General) from the section; Powers & Responsibilities.
If you are not able to answer these questions you will not receive an invitation.
The questions are a precoution against any claimants not being a real Don...
I hope to hear from you...
Family name can be a lucky guess, I give him a pass on that. But in the old don pm there are three words in the parentheses. If you compare the "victory condition" sections from the old and new townie pm's you'll see how much they've changed. The third word is almost certainly different as well. And finally number four involves quoting an entire sentence. From the section that probably lists the dons abilities that have changed since last game.
It looks to me like CR is a don and either set up the original meeting or responded to the other don. Then he got the IP and thought sigurd was a don. Obviously he couldn't just post this in the thread so he talked Jimbob into pretending it was an FBI result. He's been hounding Sigurd since then and trying to make it look like he didn't do anything with IP's. He repeatedly asks me to keep the conversation out of the thread. He must be a don.
Unvote:Charge
Vote:Crazed Rabbit
02-28-2008, 07:47
Crazed Rabbit
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
Okay, question for you Sasaki - why would I want to kill the hitman if I was a Don?
:dizzy2:
CR
02-28-2008, 08:03
Sigurd
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
You don't have a pro account CR - a lie!!
You never infiltrated the Don meeting - a lie!!
Caught in lies CR makes you scum.
Not only that... you have infiltrated the pro-town camp and wispered sweet words in the ears of JimBob and probably TinCow as well.
I am satisfied. The FBI results were nothing but slander from a Don afraid of getting his family wiped out by the unpartial hitman... Justice come to those who betray.
The ones I killed were not the best sons of the town:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Seamus
[...]
The other WiseGuy who died was woad&fangs, and there is some evidence that he was involved in the killings – probably trying to work his way into a crime family.
[...]
While Louis VI was a criminal who’d been involved in some of the Stracci murders – no surprise there I guess.
[...]
1. Prole said she does not remember sending her PM to CR back then, maybe she just forgot but maybe she didn't
2. He says Don PM all the time so from previous experience(mafia/Mafia) my guess is that he'd call prole's old PM a Donna PM or something like that. :dizzy2:
Sigurd also has a good point, despite the many indications that Louis was actually pro-town, but there are quite a few reasonsfor a Don to kill the Hitman somehow if that Hitman also gets contracts from other Dons. Whether the Hitman could have turned pro-town as has been brought up depends on whether he could ignore contracts and kill on his own but I guess he might have gotten less/no points for his victory if it was possible.
02-28-2008, 12:02
Andres
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
Quote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
Vote: CR
Are you guys really going to lynch the FBI detective?
02-28-2008, 12:25
Joe Monks
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
Vote:Crazed Rabbit
Select:Jimbob
If voting closes before 1800 I cannot participate in the rest of the day. I do not think Tincow is scummy though I think all his actions are clearly pro-town. I am also wondering if the hit on ichigo failed cos haudegan was killed first?
How does that work out?
Joe
02-28-2008, 13:04
TinCow
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
Oh my dear lord. You are making a big mistake Sasaki.
Vote: Craterus
I do not believe that Craterus has any conclusive evidence against him yet, but I can't let CR be hanged and Craterus is the closest competitior. Beware townies. You are letting taunts by dead mafioso and paranoia lead you in the wrong direction.
02-28-2008, 13:11
Husar
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
Are you guys really going to lynch the FBI detective?
Yes.
If he really is the FBI detective then I'll be so blunt as to say he messed up somehow. :dizzy2:
And I'm not saying I never messed up, it happens and sometimes you get lynched for it. Other times you're just guilty and are rightfully lynched for it. ~D
02-28-2008, 13:15
Andres
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
Beware townies. You are letting taunts by dead mafioso and paranoia lead you in the wrong direction.
Well, the only thing you have to do is posting (a piece of) the detective role pm, off course leaving the name out of it. You must have such a role pm, how else could you possible have checked the role claim of those pretending to be detectives?
Then we can ordeal for ourselves if the detectives who are giving you, CR and Jimbob their results are what they pretend to be.
Also, TinCow, after we are sure that you, Jimbob and/or CR are indeed in contact with real detectives, I suggest both you and CR do not participate in any night actions and you let yourselves investigated by those detectives the first coming night.
Jimbob, the only truly confirmed pro-town player thus far (can't believe some of you are even considering to select somebody else as director), can post those results the next day and then we'll see.
02-28-2008, 13:30
Husar
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
Jimbob, the only truly confirmed pro-town player thus far (can't believe some of you are even considering to select somebody else as director), can post those results the next day and then we'll see.
Well, JimBob doesn't seem to be here and there are people I trust a bit more anyway. Why was he confirmed pro-town again? Glenn got an innocent result or what was it? :inquisitive:
It's also astounding how anyone is supposed to consider the opinion of Andres, the only truly, self-confirmed pro-mafia player. ~;p
02-28-2008, 13:34
Andres
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
Quote:
Originally Posted by Husar
It's also astounding how anyone is supposed to consider the opinion of Andres, the only truly, self-confirmed pro-mafia player. ~;p
So, if I give decent pro-town advice, you are going to ignore it?
Tsk, tsk, tsk :no:
02-28-2008, 13:38
Proletariat
Re: Capo de Tutti Capi - II
This seals it for me.
Vote: Crazed Rabbit
We're supposed to believe that Crazed Rabbit infiltrated the Don meeting by using my old Donna PM. I'm pretty certain I never sent it to him, it's obviously a very different Don(na) PM now, and it was in the CDTC1 thread anyway.
So Crazed Rabbit pulled this off, then guessed a family name to impersonate, and uhm that exact family never showed up to the Don meeting. It doesn't add up.
Crazed, you're either a Don or an FBI Agent who might as well be lynched because no one can believe you now anyway.
