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Originally Posted by InsaneApache

Top man who believes in democracy, unlike the main parties. This is no longer about Brexit it is now about the political class declaring war on democracy. They will get it good and hard this Thursday.

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Come on, the same people who complain about a lack of democracy in the EU would block any reform with arguments of "national sovereignty". This is all about ideas of provincialism and "glorious competition" that do nothing but undermine democracy in the end because the private sector is not held to the same standard and simply dominates politics in all the small backwaters and their silly notions of "sovereignty" which they throw out of the window the moment a megacorp offer them a thousand jobs in return for all kinds of exemptions from their "sovereign laws". This is so laughable it's not even funny anymore.

Blimey mate.

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their silly notions of "sovereignty"

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Are you serious?

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Originally Posted by InsaneApache

Are you serious?

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The way sovereignty is used today, yes. In the 17th, 18th and partially the 20th century the word made a lot more sense to me than it does today. As I said right afterwards, the "sovereignty" of the people in nation states is largely undermined by lobbyists anyway. People hate politicians for being lobbyists and then vote for even worse lobbyists just because they babble about a "sovereignty" that's actually even more of a corporate rule. The EU may not be terribly good against this process at the moment, but even that is still better than the national governments and their "sovereignty" blabla that makes them kiss the industrials' arses in every modern crisis. That's not a meritocracy, that's feudalism, where the king (government) depends on the support of the noblemen (industrialists, bankers, investors) and everybody else isn't really considered. "Sovereignty" is just a buzzword in that fight to rally the peasants for the crusade, but the conquered lands won't be given to the peasants, no matter how much they hope that.

Well where to start?

There's been no peasants in the UK for hundreds of years, so I'm afraid you lost me there.

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Originally Posted by InsaneApache

Top man who believes in democracy, unlike the main parties. This is no longer about Brexit it is now about the political class declaring war on democracy. They will get it good and hard this Thursday.

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“In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. If the remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it.”
- Nigel Farage

Do you agree with Farage?

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Originally Posted by InsaneApache

Well where to start?

There's been no peasants in the UK for hundreds of years, so I'm afraid you lost me there.

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That's too bad then, but if you prefer to argue semantic and analogies, I'm afraid there is nothing I can do for you.

https://i.imgur.com/E61Obov.jpg

Fortunately for him, i reckon he has a wardrobe fully of shiny pin-stripes.

for his sake, i hope his sense of humour is as accommodating as his wardrobe.

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Originally Posted by Furunculus

Fortunately for him, i reckon he has a wardrobe fully of shiny pin-stripes.

for his sake, i hope his sense of humour is as accommodating as his wardrobe.

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Given he's pressing charges for assault, it appears not.

~:smoking:

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Originally Posted by rory_20_uk

Given he's pressing charges for assault, it appears not.

~:smoking:

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"But if they don't deliver this Brexit that I spent 25 years of my life working for, then I will be forced to don khaki, pick up a rifle and head for the front lines."
- Nigel Farage

Presses charges for assault for throwing milkshake over his suit.

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Originally Posted by Pannonian

"But if they don't deliver this Brexit that I spent 25 years of my life working for, then I will be forced to don khaki, pick up a rifle and head for the front lines."
- Nigel Farage

Presses charges for assault for throwing milkshake over his suit.

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Yes, he's an odious little twerp who appears to be bankrolled by a "friend". A politician using inflammatory rhetoric - whatever next??!?

Corbyn is a relatively dim extreme leftist who hasn't the intellectual agility to review his views in the last 3 or 4 decades. Sturgeon? Etc etc.

~:smoking:

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Originally Posted by rory_20_uk

Yes, he's an odious little twerp who appears to be bankrolled by a "friend". A politician using inflammatory rhetoric - whatever next??!?

Corbyn is a relatively dim extreme leftist who hasn't the intellectual agility to review his views in the last 3 or 4 decades. Sturgeon? Etc etc.

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Yes, I've told you that your country is terrible for a while now, it took you a bit to realize that, but I guess that's normal.
I'm not saying my country is great though, just not quite as low as UK and USA yet. We're working on it, we've already made the term "social democrats" useless so far, currently working on "christian democrats". :clown:

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Originally Posted by Husar

Yes, I've told you that your country is terrible for a while now, it took you a bit to realize that, but I guess that's normal.
I'm not saying my country is great though, just not quite as low as UK and USA yet. We're working on it, we've already made the term "social democrats" useless so far, currently working on "christian democrats". :clown:

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The main opposition in your Federal Parliament includes Neo-Nazis

I'd say you've lapped us, sorry.

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Originally Posted by Philippus Flavius Homovallumus

The main opposition in your Federal Parliament includes Neo-Nazis

I'd say you've lapped us, sorry.

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So main opposition > Brexit?
I'd be more inclined to agree if this main opposition had any chance of enacting meaningful political change.
If they get to be the government, I might consider migrating though...

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Originally Posted by Philippus Flavius Homovallumus

The main opposition in your Federal Parliament includes Neo-Nazis

I'd say you've lapped us, sorry.

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Our governing party has been moving bodily towards UKIP. Our next PM will be someone who's been chosen with the manifesto of taking us out of the EU with no deal. The rest of the cabinet will similarly be chosen with UKIP's ideas in mind. NB. this isn't the main opposition including the unpalatable. This will be the government, head of government, and the cabinet. And according to the Times, May will go tomorrow. Most estimates are within the next week.

We should have voted through the deal.

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Originally Posted by Pannonian

Our governing party has been moving bodily towards UKIP. Our next PM will be someone who's been chosen with the manifesto of taking us out of the EU with no deal. The rest of the cabinet will similarly be chosen with UKIP's ideas in mind. NB. this isn't the main opposition including the unpalatable. This will be the government, head of government, and the cabinet. And according to the Times, May will go tomorrow. Most estimates are within the next week.

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Unless it's Boris, and he immediately calls an election, banking on gobbling up the Brexit vote to win a majority.

If that happens expect to be SHOCKED as Boris does a reverse-Kevin and offers the EU a sensible deal:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLuEY6jN6gY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8RkqbqmttA

Any opinions on non-UK EU citizens being made to jump through additional hoops in order to be able to vote in these elections, with many disqualified from voting because of this?

my wife suffered this.
when only my polling card dropped through the letter box a few weeks back i immediately emailed the council.

she was on the register for local elections, just not european ones as a result of the 'need' for this daft extra form...

... which needless to say we never received.
nor too did they receive the first copy of the form we deposited.

we both voted today.

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Originally Posted by Furunculus

my wife suffered this.
when only my polling card dropped through the letter box a few weeks back i immediately emailed the council.

she was on the register for local elections, just not european ones as a result of the 'need' for this daft extra form...

... which needless to say we never received.
nor too did they receive the first copy of the form we deposited.

we both voted today.

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Shouldn't there be an investigation when an implementation of electoral practices systematically disadvantages a specific group? There are outcries when US constituencies make it harder for the poor working class, predominantly black and hispanic in these areas, to vote.

Sure, go for it.

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Originally Posted by Pannonian

Any opinions on non-UK EU citizens being made to jump through additional hoops in order to be able to vote in these elections, with many disqualified from voting because of this?

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Pretty disgraceful, really - which is I'm sure what Furunculus means - but he also means that if you don't get your polling card you need to follow up. Yes, it's the Council's responsibility not to screw up, but if you think they have you have a responsibility to complain before Polling Day.

apparently the problem relates to Article 9 of Directive 93/109/EC.

doesn't absolve the council from:
failing to send us an ec1 form.
losing the first one we sent in.

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Originally Posted by Pannonian

Shouldn't there be an investigation when an implementation of electoral practices systematically disadvantages a specific group? There are outcries when US constituencies make it harder for the poor working class, predominantly black and hispanic in these areas, to vote.

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How do you feel about the 80-year-ol army veteran who got "Milkshaked" for wearing a Brexit Party rossette?

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Originally Posted by Philippus Flavius Homovallumus

How do you feel about the 80-year-ol army veteran who got "Milkshaked" for wearing a Brexit Party rossette?

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Not something I'd do. But then, milkshaking Farage isn't something I'd do either. The latter is only notable because of the militant language he'd been using to describe what he'd do for Brexit, in comparison with him taking legal action against someone throwing a milkshake over him. Milkshaking anyone is wrong. But Farage is a hypocrite, which is more wrong, probably the greatest fault a politician can have.

And as expected, May is gone. The next PM, who will not have a Parliamentary majority, will be a hard line Brexiteer. We are looking at no deal or thereabouts.

Should have passed the deal.

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Originally Posted by Furunculus

Should have passed the deal.

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Do you blame the ERG as well? After all, they voted against too.

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Originally Posted by Philippus Flavius Homovallumus

How do you feel about the 80-year-ol army veteran who got "Milkshaked" for wearing a Brexit Party rossette?

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It is a shame to hear that the poor gentleman was subjected to that. Was reading yesterday about a remainer with a sign saying "I believe Brexit will be bad, Change my mind" who had a drink thrown at him and attacked by a flagpole as he was surrounded with chants of "Traitor".

It is awful what behaviours people lower themselves too and all examples should be challenged.

I am simply glad it hasn't reached the heights of last time when Jo Cox got shot.

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Originally Posted by Beskar

I am simply glad it hasn't reached the heights of last time when Jo Cox got shot.

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Throwing drinks at people is an excellent alternative to political violence, don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

Hurting or killing people who embarrass you is no one's prerogative.

Someone who threw a milshake at me would get a punch in the face.


Pan - yes.