Why so aggresive CA? What is it on this page that makes you so agressive? Did Glenn say something you didn't like? I hope it's not the mention of the roles that make you act wierd is it?
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Why so aggresive CA? What is it on this page that makes you so agressive? Did Glenn say something you didn't like? I hope it's not the mention of the roles that make you act wierd is it?
Formerly known as Faisal and since you started the rudeness may I suggest that you better keep your mouth shut when you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about? :thumbsdown:Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
Not only do you keep attacking certain townies here, you also start calling someone an imposter for using his actual name as a nickname... :juggle2:
Sorry, but that's pretty poor sport on your side IMO.
Umm . . . have you bothered reading the last 20 or so pages? These questions have all been dealt with in the thread in detail. Prole was under considerable suspicion, with luca and doctor being thrown around as the two possibilities for her protector. Her attacker seemed capable of attacking single-handedly and was repelled each night by a single defender. On N8 I believe, her defender managed to kill her attacker. Surgeons, unlike doctors and lucas, have a chance to not only successfully protect but also to kill an attacker, so it fits.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
Of course the other possibility is that the attacker was a lone townie (as a single townie has a chance of dying in a lone attack). However, I'd be very interested to see what circumstances induced a townie to attack the same individual alone several nights in a row. It'd be suicidal. Also, I believe another player (CR?, Louis?) mentioned knowing the identity of Prole's protector and her role, and being determined to keep both secret. Overall, to me the evidence is against townie vs. luca and for special role vs. surgeon.
I think most of us haven't met anyone who claimed to be a doctor or surgeon. I suspect they'd prefer to keep their identities discreet, and don't know why they'd inform you.
As of N9, Prole was undefended against a new attacker. Perhaps her 'pet surgeon' just wanted to eliminate her attacker and has now moved on. I don't know. Anyhow, her behavior has been and continues to be analyzed very closely, thank you very much. You don't go 7 nights in a row being unsuccessfully attacked without drawing any attention.
Ajax
*raises hand*Quote:
Originally Posted by ajaxfetish
Uhm, I know I'm completely unimportant anyway etc. but that would be me...
There's a hint in the writeup, the attacker's buddy didn't show up so the attack failed anyway, I guess that's why there was no need for a protector to show up in the first place, the attack had pretty much failed before it even began...Quote:
Originally Posted by ajaxfetish
I'm sick of Glenn telling the town what to do while not doing anything at all, even remotely, useful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moros
The ignore button is there for a reason, CA. And it's really useful.
Found it. Thanks for the idea :tongue:Quote:
Originally Posted by Craterus
Not me. Probably some completely unimportant player mentioned it somewhere, don't remember. ~;)Quote:
Originally Posted by AjaxFetish
The reason that suggests Proletariat was protected by a surgeon was Seamus write-up, which said: Proletariat was protected by a surgeon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
Back when you were nearly lynched, a single defender sounded distinctly scummy. As it turned out, lots of people are 'protected' at night by luck, single person protections, landladies and what not. Taka, Beefy, confirmed townies - all were protected by Seamus' 'throw of the dice'. We have now learned that a protection is not a sign of a luca in this game.
What's more, contrary to what you state, Proletariat is not suspected, but is currently the only confirmed pro-town player in the game. Her escapes were not the result of a luca, but of a write-up-confirmed surgeon. Note also that on the night of the succesful surgeon defense, there was only a surgeon - if there was a luca, the write-up would've said two defenders. Nor was there a luca last night. That's two nights confirmed without a luca. So of all the players who turn up as 'innocent', Prole is the one least likely to be a covert Don. :smash:
Unless the Luca realized what was happening, figuring (correctly) that it would be safe to go off killing instead of protecting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
:grin:
Before this post begins, I add that the following paragraph was written solely because it seemed to me as though Husar was attacking my post because he though I misspelt the name of the leader of the Arab Revolt in 1917.
Silly billy goat Husar! You will note that in my post I asked if he was referring by that name to the historical figure! You aggressive, silly billy goat!
Oh, and, sorry.
Alrighty tighty, the dead are rather easy to satisfy.
Husar, you are rather rash also in assuming that, since I spelt your dear, "Faisal", as, "Feisal", that I don't know what in the blue dairy cream I am on about.
Then you will of course, open your mouth as I close mine, and tell me why Thomas Edward Shaw wrote a book of memoirs roughly 700 pages long, and within that book contantly wrote the delightful known, "Feisal"?
I should hope he knew the man's name correctly!
Now, I apologise for my apparent attack, I have been PMed twice.
It does not seem as though Leet is offended, however, it is a firm principle of mine to honour the memory of those historical figures whom I respect.
And people parading underneath the birthright of those figures usually galls against those principles.
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Away from the subject of the Arabs, and back to that of Proletariat.
I am satisfied enough, especially seeing as everyone seems to expect the dead to be analysing this for themselves!
I'll have ye know, I haven't much time, else I would of read the last twenty pages and discovered everything for myself!
If proletariat's surgeon killed the attacker, I care not, I'll leave it, but who was killed?
Eh, sorry, I was angry because of this part:
To me that sounds like a completely wrong accusation because you had no clue why Faisal chose that nick. If that's not what you meant, then I appologize. :bow:Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
Prole's defender killed Evil Maniac from Mars by the way.
And it seems that the other defender failed to show up.
'Twas an assumption, Husar, no matter! I could never picture anyone else named Faisal!
And are we all sure then that a player attacking a Don protected by a Luca has no chance of dying?
Nevermind, but as for Count Arachticus.
I gave information on two secret roles.
That is rather helpful, considering I am dead, and you are alive..
Some may say that such roles would unbalance the game, and thus not be included, but then, several people said that about several other private statements I made.
And those people were Mafia.
I help the town as much as possible in the ten minutes I appear for.
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One thing I didn't reply to, Ajaxfetish, you said you did not know why people would claim to be doctors or surgeons.
Why would it be any less dangerous or helpful, for a doctor to claim their role in order to be more helpful and trusted by a person in protection groups, than for a detective to claim their role in order to be more trusted and helpful in their opinion of the guilty and the innocent?
Did I lost something important or Seamus isnt showing up?
Maybe all the PM's aren't sent yet. What a long nite...
Seamus doesn't wait for late PMs. Probably just RL.
Post 2829, CR's execution scene.Quote:
Originally Posted by Caius
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Originally Posted by Seamus
First off a doctor in a protection group is a waste, unless we have less than 3 townies left and everybody else is a doctor. But even then the doctor can protect alone without the danger of someone not sending their PM in or anything like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn
And second, revealing in the thread would be pretty stupid because then the mafia would kill the doctor to prevent him from protecting people. Of course we could then protect the doctor but then we end up with doctors protecting doctors and everybody else dies. :dizzy2:
This is main thread post #2898
An important addendum is found in post #2903
“Running through this neverending night
lost in space and time, beyond the light…
Just dare a look behind you and you'll see
the one who can now save you is me
I guide you on this lonesome ride
and if you trust in me you'll see the light”
-- Lonewolf
Summary, Night Ten
LittleGrizzly breathed a sigh of relief. Tonight’s thunderstorm had a different “feel” to it. Maybe, at long last, they’d get a break from this weeks-long hot spell and go back to some regular summer weather. He patted his coat, making sure the automatic was there and paused to adjust the line of his armor-vest. With all of this gear now more or less required in Fatlington, he’d appreciate a spell of cooler weather for sure.
This first shot came from above and behind, ricocheting off the van he was standing behind. Grizz broke quickly, moving toward the shooter. A burst of heavy automatic fire hammered into the far side of the van, the spot to where most would have fled seeking cover from the opening shot.
<<Good guess,>> thought LittleGrizzly. <<Gotta keep moving.>>
Griz’ whipped out his handgun and ratcheted off 4 rounds at the group of windows where he guessed the first shooter was hidden. He jogged to the right to put a metal post between his back and the 2nd shooter, who was moving out from the far side of the van to line up another burst from what appeared to be a BAR. LittleGrizzly tossed a couple of rounds that way too – sometimes the best defense is a good offense. He missed.
The BAR man opened up – shooting controlled three-round bursts and keeping Griz’ on the move. Try as he might, the shooter couldn’t keep a bead on LittleGrizzly long enough to hit him. LittleGrizzly changed magazines on the run and hopped over a low cinderblock wall to get behind cover. The BAR hammered a few rounds into the blocks but couldn’t reach Griz’, who fired back more carefully this time, hammering down the BAR man with a torso shot.
<<Probably armored,>> thought LittleGrizzly. <<But, then again, so am I…>>
A new weapon spoke from the windows where the first shooter had started the drama, and these shots – from a .50 caliber M2 Browning heavy machine gun – tore through the cinderblocks and hammered into Griz’s arms and chest. Despite the wall and the armor, he was wounded and unconscious when the BAR man painfully walked over to him. A single head shot ended LittleGrizzly. A red rose was dropped on the corpse.
Cowhead418 knew he’d been lucky from the outset. After dodging death just after the formation of the Committee, he’d been left in comparative quiet. Even so, he carefully looked around as he exited his favorite Tappy – caution was always called for these days. There was nobody around.
He’d only taken two steps when all 4 cars parked near that corner seemed to explode at him. Actually, large blocks of plastic explosive had been taped inside the doors of those cars where they faced the taproom door. The effect was as though 4 gigantic grenades had been placed in a semicircular arc in front of Cowhead. He was torn to ribbons by the gigantic pieces of shrapnel and a dozen patrons at the bar were injured as the door, windows, chunks of car door and a few pieces of Cowhead418 were driven into the bar itself by the force of the explosion. Two others died from their wounds along with Cowhead418.
The firefighters and police who responded moments later were surprised to find a large banner with a message in Gothic script draped between two windows above the shattered bar. The message read: “il destino è inesorabile.”
Ichigo met his destiny while driving towards a late-night coffee shop. The car in front of him slammed on its brakes, causing him to slam into the car despite his quick reactions. Then the following vehicle hit him from behind, sandwiching his vehicle and keeping it completely immobilized.
Ichigo was already trying kick open one of the bent doors when the firepower began. Tommy guns, shotguns, even a Garand hammered at Ichigo and his car from at least four directions. Rounds found their way through the doors and windows and, eventually, through Ichigo as well. Despite the body armor and the reinforcing on the doors, Ichigo was wounded more than 30 times and bled out before help could arrive. Investigators later counted more than 400 bullet holes in the vehicle – not counting the ones that went through the glass.
Only one thing marred the “normality” of the scene. Sometime during the accident or the shooting – whether because it had been opened or because the trunk latch had been shot apart – the trunk of the car that Ichigo had hit had popped open. Inside was a banner with a short message: “Sorry, buddy.” Nobody could explain this.
At four A.M., Elite Ferret was soundly asleep when his apartment door was rent in two by some kind of axe. At least that was what Elite thought it sounded like as he shot bolt upright in bed and cracked his head on the headboard. Shouts were erupting from all of the apartments on that floor.
Ferret was reaching for his revolver in the bedside table when some kind of thin blade sliced down and through the upper half of his bedroom door. Ferret leapt out of bed and went to the window as a second slash tore off the top corner of the door. The window was open and Ferret starting to climb through when a heavy boot kicked the weakened door off its hinges. Ferret looked at the figure in the doorway.
Below the full facemask was a high-collared black coat with a silver sword-pin on the left collar point. In the hands of this figure was some kind of sword on a long wooden handle.
<<A glaive?>> thought Ferret, fixating on the deadly blade.
The ashenderei swung out, reaching for Elite Ferret, who dropped his grip on the window and fell the 20 feet to the bushes below rather than test the blade’s sharpness. He landed well, without breaking or spraining anything, and quickly made his way to the nearest police precinct. The officers did not believe his story until people in the nearby apartments confirmed it. Nobody had tried to stop the bladesman as he made his exit. Go figure.
Proletariat…
….slept soundly after a good dinner. She awoke better rested than she had in many a day.
Morning Meeting, Day Eleven.
“…and so that’s what we know happened last night,” concluded Chief Fermanagh.
“Now, for the results on those who died during this fight.” He paused again, and smiled -- dimples appearing on his round cheeks.
“You’ve done great work so far. Your lynch victim of Day Eight – Sigurd Fafnesbane – has been proven to have been one of the Dons of a local crime family! Well Done! Moreover, either vigilantes working for the town or scum killing off one another managed to take out more mafia! Makanyane was a mafia Luca and both Sarathos and Tran were WiseGuys rumored to have been part of mafia killing teams. If we could determine who was working with what family, it would be easier to sort things out, but all-in-all Fatlington won big that night. Keep up the good work!”
JimBob gave the group one of his rare smiles and then began to review the procedures.
OOC
See addendum of information in #2903.
Lynch Voting and Director Selection both for Day 11. This phase will conclude at 0900 EST on 4 March 2008 (1400 GMT).
Thanks for your patience with me on the long weekend session. The “neverending night” jibe as aimed at your host.
List of Players
Still Alive: (27) Brave Sir Robin, Caeser the III, Caius, Charge, CountArach, Craterus, Draco Leman, Elite Ferret, gibsonsg91921, Ironside, JimBob, Joe Monks, Jubal_Barca, Kagemusha, KukriKhan, Leet Erikson, Myrrdraal, norwegian nerd, Proletariat, Sasaki Kojiro, scottishranger, shlin28, TinCow, TruePraetorian, Twilightblade, Warluster, Xehh II.
Attacked: (33) Andres (N2, N3), Beefy187 (N1), Brave Sir Robin (N7), Caius (N3), Charge (N9), Craterus (N6), Crazed Rabbit (N6), Cowhead418 (N2), Elite Ferret (N10), Evil_Maniac from Mars (N3), GeneralHankerchief (N2, N3), Glenn (N1, N2), Ichigo (N9), Kagemusha (N6), Proletariat (N4, N4, N5, N6, N7, N8, N9), Sasaki Kojiro (N5, N7), taka (N2), Tran (N5, N7, N8), TinCow (N7), Twilightblade (N4, N5), Xdeathfire (N1)
Murdered: (30) Drisos (N1), Lord Winter (N2), Beefy187 (N3), Glenn (N3), Pannonian (N3), taka (N3), The Stranger (N3), Zorg (N3), GeneralHankerchief (N4), Kommodus (N4), Moros (N4), Xiahou (N4), Chimpyang (N5), Kamikhaan (N5), Motep (N5), Rythmic, (N5), woad&fangs (N5), ajaxfetish (N6), FactionHeir (N6), Lt. Pinard (N6), Louis VI the Fat (N6), Husar (N7), NorthNovas (N7), Makanyane (N8), Sarathos (N8), Tran (N8), Haudegen (N9), Cowhead418 (N10), Ichigo (N10), LittleGrizzly (N10).
Killed During an Attack: (1) Evil_Maniac from Mars (N8).
Lynched: (10) pevergreen (D2), Hannibalbarca (D3), Tiberius of the Drake (D3), Omanes Alexandrapolites (D4), Andres (D5), Xdeathfire (D6), Dutch_guy (D7), Sigurd Fafnesbane (D8), Hiji (D9), Crazed Rabbit (D10)
Removed from Play: (11) Fahad I (D4), Killfr3nzy (D4), x-dANGEr (D4), Sapi (N4), Warmaster Horus (N5), Rob_the_Celt (N5), molonthegreat (N5), johnhughthom (D8), Alexander the Pretty Good (N9), Big King Sanctaphrax (N9), Roadkill (N9)
Haha, Don Corleone! It turns out I didn't just try to catch you!Quote:
“You’ve done great work so far. Your lynch victim of Day Eight – Sigurd Fafnesbane – has been proven to have been one of the Dons of a local crime family! Well Done! Moreover, either vigilantes working for the town or scum killing off one another managed to take out more mafia! Makanyane was a mafia Luca and both Sarathos and Tran were WiseGuys rumored to have been part of mafia killing teams. If we could determine who was working with what family, it would be easier to sort things out, but all-in-all Fatlington won big that night. Keep up the good work!”
And if anyone still wants to call me a Don, call me Donnie Brasco.
CR
So, Sigurd WAS a Don, and Makayane WAS a Luca, both reported only by CR (according to JimBob/TinCow), who we now know was either FBI or a Made.
To me, this raises the FoS to those who voted and/or failed to change their vote for CR.
By default, I must accuse the bandleader of the bandwagon, and:
vote: Sasaki
Maybe he can explain his doggedness in pursuing CR in the face of multiple doubts introduced. In which case, I'll switch votes.
And since JimBob is still tied up doing whatever he's doing, I'll go out a bit on a limb, and:
select: Proletariat
It seems she's important to someone, but no longer attacked every night. Still, with scum still in-town, I'd rather not trust to luck, but rather Fermanaugh's protection for her.
LittleGriz & Cowhead were obviously scum-hits (by the type of firepower, and calling cards). Ichigo less so, but probably a cross-mafia hit. E.Ferret's attacker's "...silver sword-pin on the left collar point...", sounds significant, and choice of weapons sounds crusader-ish, sort of.
I hope the remaining detectives can track down the bad guys soon enough for us to lynch or kill them.
Great. Sigurd's had a good idea of my role for a few rounds now, I imagine most or many of the attacks on me were by his group. The list of people who didn't try to switch their votes off of CR look interesting indeed
Charge is a good lynch
Vote: Charge, Select: Prole
So...the "Norwegian" that some people talked about turns out to be no other than Sigurd...
NOTE
Fermanagh stepped quickly back into the morning meeting just before JimBob adjourned.
"I'm that sorry, but I forgot one sheet of my notes. The only one to have been killed while attacking was Evil_Maniac from Mars. He appeared to be another WiseGuy though we had no rumors of his having been part of a kill team. When we tossed his apartment we found a hidden room with poisonous snakes, fish, and a full chem lab as well as a collection of about 100 different scalpels....still don't know quite what to make of that. johnhughthom was an innocent townie."
JimBob finally gaveled the morning meeting closed, telling Kukri to put his ballot in the box and check it at the evening meeting later.
Oh, how I would love to rise from the grave to tell all...
Kukri!
You make no sense man!
You vote to lynch Sasaki, then SELECT FOR DIRECTOR the person who supports Sasaki Kojiro the most??!
Husar, I did not say the doctor had to reveal in public.
I said that I had several, 'detectives', reveal in private, but no doctors.
One needs not be any more secretive than the other.
KukriKhan you make no sense!
Why would you want Proletariat instead of Jimbob?
What makes you say that she has any special importance to the town at all?
The way I saw it, there was no way that he gained access to the don chatboard by quoting the old pm. I still stand by that. The only way he could have been innocent is if he was given access to a fake chat board. But he refused to post the link. This to me was proof that he was not protown because posting the link if he was the don would lose him his only out (that he was given access to a fake board) and provide the town with valuable information.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kukri
Sigurd turning up a Don and mak a luca changes things a bit. I can believe Sigurd is clever enough to send CR to a fake board. At this point I have to believe he was the detective, though he went out of his way to lie and act suspicious. And the luca result also lends credibility though I don't see why ichigo would lie to louis about his family name.
If you are looking for someone to blame though, I'd like to point out that those who switched from craterus to ichigo did just as much to lynch cr as those voting for him what with deadline being so close.
I was part of the vig group on Ichigo last night. The plan was to include one of tincow and CountArach (I chose tincow) and then count how many people were described as showing up at the kill. The idea being that since in past games mafia could not kill each other if 5 people showed up instead of six it would indicate that tincow was a buddy of ichigo. Instead we have a banner in ichigo's car saying "sorry buddy". It's possible one of the others was ichigo's buddy but given the failed hit from last night I doubt it.
Charge seems like a no brainer lynch after last nights unexplained survival so I'll Vote:Charge. Jimbob isn't around so I'll Select:prole.
Glenn, where have I been supporting Sasaki? I went after him quite hard in the beginning when I thought there was something scummy about his voting and sticking up for GH. Since then I've backed off that and haven't focused on Sasaki much.
You admit you're not reading the thread, maybe you could give posting in it a rest until you've caught up.
JimBob (who knows I'm innocent, Glenn) is apparently no longer playing. He mentioned something about taking an Amtrak last weekend and hasn't read a PM since.
Scratch this, sigurd turning up a don threw me for a loop for a second but it doesn't actually change anything. I reread a bit and CR had every chance to post the link to the chatboard and never did even when repeatedly asked. There's no reason for a pro town player not to do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro
Cool. Decent explanation. Thanks :bow:
unvote: Sasaki
vote: Charge
I stick with my Prole selection, tho' Glenn thinks its nonsensical. I haven't seen her support Sasaki in the past, oh, 8 days or so.
Rather, I've seen her be attacked repeatedly, but defended by a doctor/surgeon. Tells me she's not scum, but-town-friendly, and anti-scum enough for them to send a hit night-after-night (remember the snake attack n8?).
Last time you were accused he leaped to your defense, even when all the evidence was against you. As to you supporting him, I'd need to read the thread again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Proletariat
Who says that was a Mafia hit?Quote:
Originally Posted by KukriKhan