Creationism in Museums and Schools

I found this article quite interesting.

I am glad to see that faith is not dead in the UK. I'm not sure whether or not I believe in Young Earth creationism, or Old Earth creationism, since scripture isn't very specific on the matter.

Anyway, since this is the backroom I was thinking about creationist schools. Do people here think they should be allowed. Or, as some in the article suggest, would this be considered brainwashing? Personally, I think that schools should at least achnowledge creationist theories, rather than leading children to believe that Darwin's ideas are facts, as they tend to do.

Still, the Anglican Church itself seems determined to water down all scripture to please modern society. Now, the Archbishop of Canterbury is apologising for denying the theory of evolution! It's like he's on a one-man mission to fulfill the end-time prophecies. :no:

And if you read the comments at the bottom it seems that Anglicans are unwilling to accept the Bible literally. I also think its interesting that some wish to dismiss creationism apparently out of anti-American sentiments. It wasn't any fun when the Puritans had the power after all was it, people were actually made to follow scripture!

Creationism should not be taught in any science class; it lacks the necessary elements of the scientific method in order to qualify. If they want to teach it in a philosophy or religions class, then by all means go ahead.

Also, since when was faith dead in the UK? I keep hearing all about how great the Muslims seem to be doing.:beam:

I have nothing against creationism being handled in churches...
But keep it out of the scientific rooms, untill creationism has a scientific base to stand on:)

There is a reasons why we have separated religion and science...

Religion can't handle science, and science can't handle religion.

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Originally Posted by makaikhaan

Creationism should not be taught in any science class; it lacks the necessary elements of the scientific method in order to qualify. If they want to teach it in a philosophy or religions class, then by all means go ahead.

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the obvious and correct answer. agreed.

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Still, the Anglican Church itself seems determined to water down all scripture to please modern society. Now, the Archbishop of Canterbury is apologising for denying the theory of evolution! It's like he's on a one-man mission to fulfill the end-time prophecies.

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Since when does anyone know the absolute truth of the bible anyway? Why can't evoloution and religon go together theres really nothing contradicting about it.

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Originally Posted by Lord Winter

Since when does anyone know the absolute truth of the bible anyway? Why can't evoloution and religon go together theres really nothing contradicting about it.

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Well, first of all... Science does not believe the world was created in 6 days...

Nor that the human genetic stock comes from 2 people only...

Must I go on?

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Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV

Well, first of all... Science does not believe the world was created in 6 days...

Nor that the human genetic stock comes from 2 people only...

Must I go on?

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in other words, scritural literalism and religious fundamentalism. religion as a metaphor, allegory, parable, etc can be made to jive with scientific conclusions.

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Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr

Anyway, since this is the backroom I was thinking about creationist schools. Do people here think they should be allowed.

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Religion has no place in Education. My 2 cents.

The problem is that, and this may surprise you, some people do not either A. believe in creationism or B. agree to a certain type of creationism. The thing about teaching creationism is, if ever implemented, it needs to be on a choice basis.

You cannot force someone to learn your beliefs, this is entirely up to the person.

I believe in German Gymnasium, Catholic and Protestant history and philosophy are taught in a Religion class, however, students can choose an alternative Ethics class.

My thoughts on creationism in school? Put it in as an elective, a class choise. Do not force someone to learn your beliefs, let them decide if they wish to learn them on their own.

creationism theories would fit well into a comparative religion type course. there's really no place for them in public primary or secondary education.

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Originally Posted by Big_John

in other words, scritural literalism and religious fundamentalism. religion as a metaphor, allegory, parable, etc can be made to jive with scientific conclusions.

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Hey, if you read the bible as metaphors, allegorys and parables, ANYTHING will jive with it, so why not? :juggle2:

I don't think creationism ever needs to be added to a science curriculum. That's different from saying it can't be discussed. It should be mentioned, and if need be, debated. Creationism (as in the world is 10,000 yrs old, ect), has little(no) scientific standing and if students think it does, it should be debated and discussed rather than stifled.

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Originally Posted by Xiahou

I don't think creationism ever needs to be added to a science curriculum. That's different from saying it can't be discussed. It should be mentioned, and if need be, debated. Creationism (as in the world is 10,000 yrs old, ect), has little(no) scientific standing and if students think it does, it should be debated and discussed rather than stifled.

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where should creationism ideas be 'mentioned' exactly?

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Originally Posted by Big_John

where should creationism ideas be 'mentioned' exactly?

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Philosophy and history sounds right. And not the kind of "God created life on Earth" but the kind of "The Catholic belief is that....."

i honestly don't see where creationism would fit into a history class. do public schools below the college level offer philosophy classes nowadays?

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Originally Posted by Big_John

i honestly don't see where creationism would fit into a history class. do public schools below the college level offer philosophy classes nowadays?

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I was taught the history of religion, you weren't?

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Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV

Well, first of all... Science does not believe the world was created in 6 days...

Nor that the human genetic stock comes from 2 people only...

Must I go on?

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Neither do a lot of christens...

and for the record I don't believe religion should be a part of public schools.

Why not simply have a religion classes and science class ??
That's what we got in Sweden and it works fine, no religious nutjobs demanding creationism to be taught in science class(any such request should result in the nutjob getting hit with a baseball bat).
In science class there is no talk about creationism or anything to do with young earth theory, why ??
Because it's not science hence it does not belong.
We had a catholic in my class that tried to bring it up during biology class, think we were talking about evolution at the time, the response she got from the teacher ??
Nothing to do with biology or science and if she wanna continue talking about it, then she should bring it up in religion class where it belongs. And that was that.
Can point out that religion classes are mandatory just like any other class and we are taught about all religions in a neutral manner.

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Originally Posted by SwedishFish

I was taught the history of religion, you weren't?

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not in public elementary or high schools, no.

edit: though i must say, the public high school i went to for freshman and sophomore year was garbage. and the private school i went to for junior and senior year was episcopalian, and we sung hymns every morning at chapel.

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Originally Posted by Big_John

i honestly don't see where creationism would fit into a history class. do public schools below the college level offer philosophy classes nowadays?

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Well, in my school system, religion (Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism) is taught as a portion of World History

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Originally Posted by Big_John

not in public elementary or high schools, no.

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Well then, your concerns are ill founded. Religion is taught in history classes 'round here. You learn Islamic, Christain, Greek, Roman, Chinese etc. beliefs and history. They're not fillin your head with propoganda.

hmm.. it was quite a while ago.. maybe we diud have some sort of comparative religion section in my world histroy classes...

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I don't think creationism ever needs to be added to a science curriculum. That's different from saying it can't be discussed. It should be mentioned, and if need be, debated. Creationism (as in the world is 10,000 yrs old, ect), has little(no) scientific standing and if students think it does, it should be debated and discussed rather than stifled.

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Thats a good post , the debate in a science class wouldn't take long so wouldn't really detract muchfrom the curriculum .
So that leads to ....

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where should creationism ideas be 'mentioned' exactly?

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Well John , you know on the news they sometimes finish up with a little funny story to lighten things up , perhaps they could finish the science lessons with 20 second snippets from Hams cretinist comedy genius to give the students a laugh .

If religion has no place in education, then they must remove Darwinism/evolution from all schools. Darwinism is a religion that is currently brainwashing everyone in schools, and is way worse than Creationism.

There is zero scientific basis for the outlandish claims of evolution. To believe in those claims as true can be done by faith and subjective opinion alone, not by science. The outlandish claims of evolution do not meet the standards of the scientific method (things must be observable, testable and repeatable to be science), therefore they are not science. End of story.

Evolution is the fairytale of modern times. That it is being presented as 'science' is disgusting and a moral outrage. Darwinism should be outlawed and replaced with Creationism. Or at the very least, Darwinism should be banned from schools since it is not science.

Ya know, there's kinda this thing called DNA which basically proves evolution is real.~;p

please do not turn this into a evoution vs creationism debate.

Well there you go John , no need to use Ken Hams nonsense to give the students a laugh at the end of science class , just use a post from Navoros instead .
BTW Nav which fruity flavour of fundamentalist are you this week ?
Have you tried Sikhism yet ?what about Baha'i ? they should be quite entertaining for us , keep up the good work:2thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by woad&fangs

Ya know, there's kinda this thing called DNA which basically proves evolution is real.~;p

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No it doesn't.

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please do not turn this into a evoution vs creationism debate.

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Other posters already have by bashing Creationism and pretending that Darwinism has some sort of superiority and scientific validity, when really it doesn't.

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Originally Posted by Navaros

No it doesn't.

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How doesn't it?

Anywho, I think Creationism should be discussed in a world history class along with the basic ideas of other religions. I know my world history class discussed the basics of Islam, Hinduism, and a few other religions for a few days each. Creationism would fit nicely in there.

I couldn't care less what private schools teach in there science classes.

Edit: to be honest, in my 11+ years of schooling evolution has only come up a handful of times. My science classes have discussed DNA plenty of times but I doubt I've spent more than 5 class periods learning about Fish->whales->bats->Humans or whatever it is.

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Originally Posted by woad&fangs

How doesn't it?

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It just doesn't. The question is, how does it? Some similar DNA in different things does not mean that they transformed into each other; it simply means that God used successful design principles more than once, when applicable.