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I learned that the Gauls, Ibeians, Germans, and Britons were all unified states
I learned that no matter what nation, Rome is the most important city in the world and must be taken to "win"
I learned that Egypt kicked out the Greek rulers the second they took over
Even more tellingly I found out that in 270 BC the Romans were deeply divided into three different mini-empires led by one of three ruling families who lived in fear of the Senate and their invincible armies.
What was an even bigger revelation however was that the Parthians fought in pink pajamas.
lol, nice thread.
I learnt that throwing heads was actually quite a lethal business
I learned that all mercenaries no matter if they were from Egypt or from Gaul wore green clothes and that most of the Seleucid empire had been taken by the Parthians in 270 but the Parthians could not control those conquered lands becaise they were too far away from Rome.
Also I learned that 68 berserkers could kill 1500 enemys and that the Britons had a colony in Gaul.
I learned that all Calvary are gods.
Weeeelll, I have learned that all of the Egyptians were touched by King Midas.
I have learned that the Japanese were not the ones who invented ninjas.
I have learned that the Gladiators were actually the front-line soldiers and the true legionaries of Rome.
I have learned that chariot riding Amazons and huge elephants resided in modern-day Russia, my homeland.
I have learned that the Roman Empire was forged in 50 years.
I have learned that all soldiers in the Ancient World were cowards who routed in seconds
I have learned that cavalry was more important and stronger in the Roman Army than the infantry.
I have learned that the police and fire-fighting force of the city of Rome was the most elite and the best unit in the whole wide world.
I have learned that the tiny weaklings called Seleucids invented the legionaries and lorica segmentata way before the Romans even came up with their Marian units.
I have learned that the Goths appeared in Germania even before Rome conquered the Gauls and that the Germans had phalanxes wielding sarissas just like the Makedonians, who by the way stole the Spartan mascot.
I learnt that the Germans and Celts fought without shirts even during the winter.
Aemilius Paulus: "I have learned that the Germans had phalanxes wielding sarissas just like the Makedonians, who by the way stole the Spartan mascot."
I think that there's actually some historical fact behind that; even EB has got a Germanic pike unit.
Gaesatae.Quote:
I learnt that the Germans and Celts fought without shirts even during the winter.
Hmm... Good point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hax
I learnt that the Romans used burning pigs in the heat of battle to scare elephants and that war dogs were a common sight on the battlefield.
Burning pigs could have been used historically - it was mentioned on QI, any accuracy behind this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeibek
Burning pigs were actually a common sight in elephant battles. Wardogs were used as well, although rarely, and definitely not to the extent that they were trained by the AI in RTW.
As for the German pikeman unit, they were reasonably dissimilar in comparison to the Makedonian phalanx. That is probably one reason why they do not have the option to form a phalanx in EB. I always thought that the German pikemen were underrated in EB though. Their pikes are very weak because any unit can get through them, which is definitely not the same with the seemingly impenetrable Hellenic pike phalanx.
As for the bare chest, that was pretty common with the barbarian tribes. It was a sign of bravery that was used not only limited by the Gaesatae and Uirodusios. Just look at the Celtic and Germanic units in EB - most of them are bare-chested.
- I learned that the Scythians were a major power in 270 BC, and that the Alans were subjugated by them.
- I learned that Iberians fought naked or with bull horns on their helmets.
- I learned that the Germanic tribes spoke Modern german.
- I learned that Celts gave their towns Latin names.
We do not know anything about the phalanx of the germanic peoples other than it is described by Caesar when he was in Alsace fighting Ariovistus as "their ( the germanic tribes ) usual phalanx", which sounds as if it was widely used and could be interpreted as if they had a style of their own, but it must have shared a lot of characteristics with the hellenistic phalanx for him to label without further ado.
We all know that Rome: Total War was an inaccurate game, but guys, you have to admit it was pretty awesome. No other game could compare with it when it was released. The sheer awesomeness of RTW made EB possible, which had then taken the title of the best computer game from RTW. I still have many good memories left from my RTW days.
The good old Sith like katana wielding arcani.
I am not sure about that, since the term phalanx could be used for any reasonably-ordered formation. The specific term for the Hellenistic pike phalanx was IIRC syntagmata, not phalanx.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skandinav
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Originally Posted by Aemilius Paulus
I´ve learned that if the Egyptians had conquered Ireland, thousands of Nubians would immediately have moved there to be recruited as Nubian Spearmen.
I´ve learned that the Pharaonic age of Ramses II never ended in Egypt, and that the Egyptians fought in the same way as thousands of years before, albeit with ultra über killing machines known as Pharao´s Bowmen.
I´ve learned that the Roman Senate would often demand powerful generals to commit suicide, less they decide that the Senate was bad and turned against it. For some strange reason this seldom worked.
I´ve learned that Spanish warriors often worshipped the Bull and this gave them magical powers to carry a golden plate between the horns of their helmet without the plate actually touching the horns.
I´ve learned that Naked Fanatics weren´t actually naked. And not really all that fanatic either.
I´ve learned that there was only 1 Consul, 1 Praetor, 1 Aedile, 1 Censor and 1 Quaestor in Rome.
Really? I just thought they magically moved the weather with them...funny.Quote:
I´ve learned that if the Egyptians had conquered Ireland, thousands of Nubians would immediately have moved there to be recruited as Nubian Spearmen.
IIRC it was just at the siege of Megara that that was used, nowhere else, and certainly not by the Romans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dumbass
Pigs were a common weapon against elephants, and some were probably smart enough to guess that if you combine the elephant's biggest fears: smell of pigs, squeal of pigs and fire (fear that all animal share) yo will get better results. Even if the ancient generals weren't that smart, you, acting as the player, could change the history a bit. After all, aren't the Total War games all about creating alternative history? (however not in the sense of Arcani and gladiators, which were grossly inaccurate)Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeibek
True, it is only a phalanx-like body of soldiers in close formation that is described and not the hellenistic phalanx specifically but the characteristics I referred to was rather their long pikes and shield-wall together with this, both of which of course weren´t a rare sight on the ancient battle-field in this regard. But Caesar only uses the word twice or so perhaps deliberately meaning that it differed somehow from the other formations used by the celtic and germanic tribes, which are mostly described only as hosts and such, but some of which may have similarly been in tight formation and also, as we know it as a common weapon in those parts, used spears which often prompts a tight formation but without Caesar dubbing them the latin form of the greek word aswell, if that is, these two accounts are not the only occasions where he faced men using this tactic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ludens
Umm... like I said they never were common. Possible maybe but not common, and possible does not equate to historically accurate. By that logic the gladiators would be just as historic!Quote:
Originally Posted by Aemilius Paulus
If pigs (specifially burning ones) were so useful, why weren't they used all the time? Burning ones were used AFAIK only at Megara, normal ones used to frighten Pyrhus' elephants but they didn't really do the trick and readapted infantry formations were the key factor, not the use of pigs like some classical writers would have it.
Anyway, point is: all of the things I mentioned referred to the fact that they seemed very commonplace even though they were merely historical anomalies. Not all of the Celts and Germans fought bareshirt like in vanilla, where all but the few elites wore only trousers.
And here I totally agree with you. RTW for me was the best game ever until I discovered EB.Quote:
We all know that Rome: Total War was an inaccurate game, but guys, you have to admit it was pretty awesome. No other game could compare with it when it was released. The sheer awesomeness of RTW made EB possible, which had then taken the title of the best computer game from RTW. I still have many good memories left from my RTW days.
To set the pigs on fire instead of just using them as they were would be a minor change. To introduce an entirely new unit, especially one as unreliable as gladiators would be a major change. Pigs were already used. Gladiators weren't and for excellent reasons. They were slaves, criminals, and prisoners of war. They would turn against their roman overlords as soon as they got the chance and they have already been know for rebelling. They had little discipline and had no place in a legion. They also usually spoke various different languages, making commanding more difficult. As you can see, introducing them would not be feasible or historic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeibek
I learnt that the Spartans actually fought wearing red nighties and golden flower pots on their heads.
I learnt that German women can get their men to fight harder by screeching at them. This worked just as well in ancient times as it does now...
The red nighties are pretty inaccurate (the Spartans wore red capes and armour), but the Spartan helmets are the same in EB as they are in RTW.Quote:
Originally Posted by Apgad
The screeching women are actually somewhat accurate, since the women actually followed the Germanic warriors both during the campaign and battles. The women would stay right behind the men in a battle, and whenever the men would rout or retreat, the women would taunt them, usually succeeding in rallying the men. I am not so sure if the women actually "screeched" or taunted/encouraged during the other parts of the battle though. Chances are they did, at least once in a while. Acting as CA, it would be more accurate to give the screeching women a version of the "Rally" ability.
Despite this, turning the Germanic women into a Total War unit is taking it pretty far, although not necessarily ahistorical.
Well, you gotta admit that turning them all into hot french maids with meat clevers might have been taking it a step to far.
I learned that being hit by a fire arrow burns you to the point you'r charcoal
I learned that the all mercenaries in the ancient world had a color coded uniform of green>.>
I learned that biological warfare was already used in ancient times.
I learned that Gaul once conquered the whole medeterranian o.O
1. In the book Persian Fire by Tom Holland, the writer talks about a treaty between two city states in which they promise not to poison each other's water supplies (I'd have to take a look to get the details).Quote:
Originally Posted by Valion
Anyway, biological warfare did exist in ancient times!
Albeit not with spies spreading the black death...
2. Well, that's the point of RTW, isn't it? Imean, what do you want to accomplish when you play the Aedui or Arverni in EB?
I learnt that any general in the ancient world was a ultra-dumb asshole unable to perform just a little skilled tactical movement (that's the reason for I think that RTW is a lot overrated, too stupid AI).
I learnt that the Carthaginians spoke like stereotypal Arabs.
I learnt that eastern factions like Parthians or Pontus were sons of the desert and praised it like stereotypal beduins - although they still could gather thousands and thousands of footmen in the sands.
I learnt that beduins were very common mercenaries.
I learnt that in today's Poland there was a German settlement named "home sweet home" in Latin. XD
I learnt that any hoplite was in a Macedonian phalanx.
I learnt that even if wearing not so martial clothes, the Spartans were so cool, but so cool, that they could face the mighty of any huge enemy army and still exit victorious from the battle with few casualties, high morale and without fatigue.
I learnt that Cretan archers garrisoning the island before the Roman conquest were skilled as samurai in handling their swords.
I learnt that the Mediterranean sea was full of invincible pirates that forced the naval powers of the time (Carthage, Rome, Greeks) to take a lot of kicks in their asses from them, even with many triremes against a little boat.
I learnt that the Iberians were skilled shipcraftsmen.
I learnt that the Romans were so advanced, but so advanced, that the other people felt the need to copy their soldiers even before they actually become available to the Romans themselves.
I learnt that in every battle is necessary to say that the Roman gods are watching and blah blah blah.
I learnt that Germania was a Nubian colony and Nubia a German colony.
I learnt that ancient kingdoms, even if incredibly small and surrounded by overwhelming ultra-powerful empires, were costantly in full suicidal war, until everybody but one will die ("There can be only one").
Now let's talk about Barbarian Invasions:
I learnt that the Franks had their Paladins even in the V century. Now I want a Charlemagne unit!
I learnt that the Orthodox church existed centuries before the schism.
I learnt that Spain was already fool *ehm* full of Moors.
I learnt that the Huns invaded central Europe and Italy before the V century.
I learnt that the Sarmatians that with the figure of Artorius Cassus inspired the legend of king Arthur and above all the movie King Arthur were really the bulk of Roman and especially Romano-British armies!
I learnt that the Germans called themselves with Latin or English names depending on how they woke up that morning.
I learnt that Berbers were already Muslims.
I learnt that Slavs invaded Europe just a little after the Huns and the Germans.
I learnt that German settlements were called in honour of Roman tribunes, or perhaps resembling today's English word "tribe" in a sort of Latinorum.
I learnt that Goths and Vandal were Mongolic nomads.
well i learned that
-gaul was always unified
-iberian infantry<roman hastati (hold on, somethin ain't right)
-spanish navy. nuff said
-nobody travelled further east than the caspian sea and the seleukids covered so little land the game designers decided to kill em off