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05-19-2010, 12:09
Cute Wolf

Portait Discussion

yoi, the Euro factions could made the M2 southern european portaits. Their diplomats will use RTW greek diplomat portaits, and their spy/assassins got Roman rogue portaits.

In the other hands, I think the Melayu FM could use M2 middle eastern merchants and diplomat portaits (note : melayu FM got M2 middle eastern portaits of merchants and diplomats - just need to get them some destar and kain, while some could still use their turban). The diplomats and rogues will use eastern FM without helmets (Jebivjetar-ish portaits made wearing destar).

The Java-Sundanese FM will use modified eastern FM portaits, as well as several Armoured M2 middle eastern portaits, we'll got them with both helmets and not, but we could add some proper headgear too (imagine Jebivjetar portait wearing Blangkon, or Iket), the rogues and diplomats will be the same with Melayu.
05-19-2010, 12:32
G. Septimus

Re: Nusantara Total War : Portugese Invasion

VoC:
Check This out
achh, needa check out on the "Real Apperance" and the "In-Game" one
05-19-2010, 12:58
Cute Wolf

Re: Nusantara Total War : Portugese Invasion

well, we must consider the playability and most likely use m2 portaits for placeholder in the first relase
05-20-2010, 12:37
Nyz

Re: Nusantara Total War : Portugese Invasion

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cute Wolf

The Java-Sundanese FM will use modified eastern FM portaits, as well as several Armoured M2 middle eastern portaits, we'll got them with both helmets and not, but we could add some proper headgear too (imagine Jebivjetar portait wearing Blangkon, or Iket), the rogues and diplomats will be the same with Melayu.

This is what I imagine: :laugh4:

https://img718.imageshack.us/img718/844/avatar2if.jpg
05-20-2010, 13:00
G. Septimus

Re: Nusantara Total War : Portugese Invasion

Quote:

Originally Posted by intifadanyz

This is what I imagine: :laugh4:

https://img718.imageshack.us/img718/844/avatar2if.jpg

lold
05-20-2010, 13:45
Nyz

Re: Nusantara Total War : Portugese Invasion

Well, Your Majesty King Gaius, the Mighty (Former) Roman Dictator, I just wanna throw off some idea how the appearance of FM after being put headgears on their portrait, well, my photoshop skill is not good as Mr. Finn MacCumhail when he modifying the portrait of Eastern FM to become Indian FM in ATB....
05-20-2010, 13:55
Cute Wolf

Re: Nusantara Total War : Portugese Invasion

but that was pretty good :thumbsup:... too bad, I still stucked in my final project at the univ, and could help on skinning job again after the seminar.....
05-20-2010, 14:00
G. Septimus

Re: Nusantara Total War : Portugese Invasion

Quote:

Originally Posted by intifadanyz

Well, Your Majesty King Gaius, the Mighty (Former) Roman Dictator, I just wanna throw off some idea how the appearance of FM after being put headgears on their portrait, well, my photoshop skill is not good as Mr. Finn MacCumhail when he modifying the portrait of Eastern FM to become Indian FM in ATB....

it looks funny, I Lold at the Pic, it's so weird .
just See Jebi (The Real Jebi, IRL) using Kopiahs and Stuff like that
weird :inquisitive:
BTW, I'm not a king, I'm a Ruler (Dictis)
05-20-2010, 14:33
Nyz

Re: Nusantara Total War : Portugese Invasion

Hmm, I also think its weird... just not matching the faces of Nusantara people. Well, maybe some modification like adding mustache, sideburns, beard or goatee can improved it...maybe I can try other Eastern FM, or other culture portrait, like Greek one...(well, Skullheadhq....you are the candidate for full transformation....:laugh4:)....

If it is not work, then we have to make announcement for face database, like EB II. or hosting a reality TV program..."Searching for models....." :laugh4: (these 2 not gonna happen...)
05-20-2010, 14:56
G. Septimus

Re: Nusantara Total War : Portugese Invasion

Quote:

Originally Posted by intifadanyz

Hmm, I also think its weird... just not matching the faces of Nusantara people. Well, maybe some modification like adding mustache, sideburns, beard or goatee can improved it...maybe I can try other Eastern FM, or other culture portrait, like Greek one...(well, Skullheadhq....you are the candidate for full transformation....:laugh4:)....

If it is not work, then we have to make announcement for face database, like EB II. or hosting a reality TV program..."Searching for models....." :laugh4: (these 2 not gonna happen...)

yeah, they have too long noses. just like me IRL!!!
05-20-2010, 15:01
Nyz

Re: Nusantara Total War : Portugese Invasion

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaius Septimus Severus

yeah, they have too long noses. just like me IRL!!!

Well, I don't want to comment that.....hmmm, anyway, what will happen when we remove your and Sonic helmet and replace it with various headgears?.....maybe it worth to try....:laugh4:
05-20-2010, 15:16
Cute Wolf

Re: Nusantara Total War : Portugese Invasion

lol... actually, I think it maybe better if you try M2TW middle eastern merchants and diplomat's face for melayu... (but actually, I think the javanese will be fine if we use modified eastern portaits)
05-20-2010, 15:37
G. Septimus

Re: Nusantara Total War : Portugese Invasion

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cute Wolf

lol... actually, I think it maybe better if you try M2TW middle eastern merchants and diplomat's face for melayu... (but actually, I think the javanese will be fine if we use modified eastern portaits)

I agree with Cute Wolf, anybody with me?
just replace the Headgear with Blankon or that wagly thing on Hasanuddin's head
05-22-2010, 14:03
plutoboyz

Re: Nusantara Total War : Portugese Invasion

what do you think?

https://img199.imageshack.us/img199/5034/jebi.jpg
https://img19.imageshack.us/img19/2526/jebi2.jpg

this one can be used as sriwijayan FM
https://img12.imageshack.us/img12/8979/jebi3.jpg
05-22-2010, 14:06
plutoboyz

Re: Nusantara Total War : Portugese Invasion

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaius Septimus Severus

I agree with Cute Wolf, anybody with me?
just replace the Headgear with Blankon or that wagly thing on Hasanuddin's head

king don't wear blangkon. hassanudin is Bugis. its to east for our mod. replace it with crown instead
05-22-2010, 14:16
Cute Wolf

Portait Discussion

Well.... at least we allready have some portait plan... discuss it here :grin:

here's the plan for java-sunda FM portaits.... the eastern general, with headgear change...
https://img718.imageshack.us/img718/844/avatar2if.jpg
05-22-2010, 14:28
plutoboyz

Re: Portait Discussion

what do you think?

https://img199.imageshack.us/img199/5034/jebi.jpg
https://img19.imageshack.us/img19/2526/jebi2.jpg

this one can be used as sriwijayan FM
https://img12.imageshack.us/img12/8979/jebi3.jpg
05-22-2010, 14:33
Cute Wolf

Re: Portait Discussion

much better:grin:, could you made jebi's skin browner a bit?...
oh yeah, actually, there was no shame an FM to put a blangkon or udeng... but about peci or kopiah...
05-22-2010, 14:49
Nyz

Re: Portait Discussion

No no no... not peci or kopiah... that's commoner headgear at that time...even commoner used destar or tanjak made from low and medium quality fabric. Peci and kopiah just trial and error and experimenting with photoshop....

Quote:

Originally Posted by plutoboyz

king don't wear blangkon. hassanudin is Bugis. its to east for our mod. replace it with crown instead

Mr. Gaius only knew destar and tanjak from image of Sultan Hasanuddin. Even it was destar / tanjak, the headgear is unique.... it is not like Malay Sultan destar or Tanjak.

Even Acheh headgear also unique. It it like peci wrapped with colorful serban....
05-22-2010, 15:02
plutoboyz

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cute Wolf

much better:grin:, could you made jebi's skin browner a bit?...
oh yeah, actually, there was no shame an FM to put a blangkon or udeng... but about peci or kopiah...

blankon used by commoner and some abdi dalem, its okay for agent but for FM, its little bit odd. king have crown right?

also I think skin tone is enough. noble usually got lighter skin.

Quote:

Originally Posted by intifadanyz

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Mr. Gaius only knew destar and tanjak from image of Sultan Hasanuddin. Even it was destar / tanjak, the headgear is unique.... it is not like Malay Sultan destar or Tanjak.

Even Acheh headgear also unique. It it like peci wrapped with colorful serban....

well, Aceh sultan used something like sarik. maybe, its a fez wrapped with turban. usually, used by sufi.
https://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k...eukuUmar-1.png
sarik
http://www.dieter-philippi.de/images/2703_Sarik.jpg

Bugis people worn their "destar" in the side.
05-22-2010, 15:32
Nyz

Re: Portait Discussion

Quote:

Originally Posted by plutoboyz

blankon used by commoner and some abdi dalem, its okay for agent but for FM, its little bit odd. king have crown right?

Hmm, the unique crown in the sig pic of Majapahit and Pajajaran? in the second potrait of modified Jev avatar?
05-22-2010, 15:39
plutoboyz

Re: Portait Discussion

Quote:

Originally Posted by intifadanyz

Hmm, the unique crown in the sig pic of Majapahit and Pajajaran? in the second potrait of modified Jev avatar?

all hail the great Mahkota Bonokasih Sanghyang Pake!
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_BY1CuqYtQa.../binokasih.jpg
05-27-2010, 14:39
Cute Wolf

Re: Portait Discussion

Now i must made a clear point about this. Melaka, Aceh, Palembang, Sriwijaya, will got melayu culture. Pajajaran, Bintara, Majapahit, will got Jawi culture (ancient javanese, not to be confused with jawa). And each culture will share a group of portaits. Means melaka and sriwijaya will have the same set of portaits, it was bi hardcoded.
05-27-2010, 15:59
plutoboyz

Re: Portait Discussion

wolf, do you have picture of Majapahit or Bintara crown?
05-28-2010, 10:48
Nyz

Re: Portait Discussion

We already realized that culture slots are limited in RTW engines, that's the issue and problem happened in all mods, and culture slots are really precious for further expansion of the mod... well, we just have not to make Malay-culture FM using Islamic Serban, and make them wearing mainly destar, tanjak and a few use mahkota, to avoid what-the-hell-Hindu FM-wearing-serban issue.... the serban-wearer are Islamic Scholar, Kadi, or Maulana as ancillaries...
05-29-2010, 16:45
Cute Wolf

Re: Portait Discussion

Actually both hindu and muslim wearing serban. And according to the customs, wearing blangkon is ok for jawi fm.
05-29-2010, 17:05
plutoboyz

Re: Portait Discussion

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cute Wolf

Actually both hindu and muslim wearing serban. And according to the customs, wearing blangkon is ok for jawi fm.

umm... not really. it was Sikh who wear turban(dastar).
http://www.csupomona.edu/~plin/turba...s/sikh_man.gif
some kind of religious duties. and Rajput (who claimed as Indo-Saka descendant) also wear turban.
http://img2.photographersdirect.com/.../pd2033370.jpg
and Pheta worn by Maratha warrior and during ceremonial occasion
http://www.kolhapurworld.com/new/abo...ages/pheta.jpg

but not in Indonesia. Indonesian Hindu FM more commonly wear Siger, Sumping, Topknot hair, Crown, traditional Headgear. even muslim, if not Arab descendant barely wear Turban
05-29-2010, 18:52
Nyz

Re: Portait Discussion

I think some nomad portrait from BI suit Malay FM

https://img249.imageshack.us/img249/5145/potraith.jpg
06-02-2010, 09:26
Cute Wolf

Re: Portait Discussion

just changed the Portaits in modfolder... now the Romans are Europeans....
1) the "Diplomats" will be double up as missionary...
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/2d5565b24e.jpg
2) the Melayu portaits use "M2TW" merchants and citizens one...
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/fc6548962d.jpg
06-02-2010, 10:15
Rahwana

Re: Portait Discussion

neat, but what about the "jawi"? you should made list to the portaits changes...

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