Ignosticism (Prove to me there is a God)

I hereby declare myself an ignostic. Why? Because there is no way to prove whether there is, or is not a God, merely faith, trust, and belief. Thus, the concept of God is incoherent and absurd.

Also, I declare that the existence of a God is emotionally meaningless to me as well. I do not need worship or faith in a higher power to feel complete.

Now, you in the backroom can either try to prove to me that there is a God, or just give me an amen in agreement, or give me your own take on faith and religion.

Not possible

True!

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Originally Posted by DemonArchangel

I hereby declare myself an ignostic. Why? Because there is no way to prove whether there is, or is not a God, merely faith, trust, and belief. Thus, the concept of God is incoherent and absurd.

Also, I delcare that the existence of a God is emotionally meaningless to me as well. I do not need worship or faith in a higher power to feel complete.

Now, you in the backroom can either try to prove to me that there is a God, or just give me an amen in agreement, or give me your own take on faith and religion.

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Join the club. :yes:

Btw, it's agnostic.

I think the whole debate is stupid and irrelevant. People coming up with all kinds of crazy pieces of 'evidence' when really that evidence doesn't even slightly prove it, and some devoting their lives to proving something which isn't provable. Agnosticism is the only way.

Uh, congratulations.

The fact you said God means you think there is a God. You love God don't lie.

:P

No, agnostic means being UNSURE of the existence of a God.

IGnostic on the other hand means that you think the concept of God is downright absurd.

I'm my own god. :whip:

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Originally Posted by Spetulhu

I'm my own god. :whip:

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Can I see a miracle?:inquisitive:

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Originally Posted by DemonArchangel

I hereby declare myself an ignostic. Why? Because there is no way to prove whether there is, or is not a God, merely faith, trust, and belief. Thus, the concept of God is incoherent and absurd.

Also, I declare that the existence of a God is emotionally meaningless to me as well. I do not need worship or faith in a higher power to feel complete.

Now, you in the backroom can either try to prove to me that there is a God, or just give me an amen in agreement, or give me your own take on faith and religion.

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Took you your whole life to make that conclusion? :beam:

Prove to me there isn't a God.

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Originally Posted by Csar

Prove to me there isn't a God.

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Usually, it's often the positive proof that should come first, common sense-speaking.

If Quietus was here, he'd say something like, "Leprechauns; prove they don't exist."

I myself doesn't care, though. And DA, aren't you nullifying your own Ignostic position by engaging yourself in the question about the existence of the Divine?

Well, We won't know till we die, and the Debate can go on and on. One "believer" can give the "edveince" out to the "Prove there is a god" people, but they can counter back,saying, "Well, it's cause by...."

The word "prove" should never be used on an internet gaming forum.

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Originally Posted by Lemur

The word "prove" should never be used on an internet gaming forum.

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Originally Posted by AntiochusIII

Usually, it's often the positive proof that should come first, common sense-speaking.

If Quietus was here, he'd say something like, "Leprechauns; prove they don't exist."

I myself doesn't care, though. And DA, aren't you nullifying your own Ignostic position by engaging yourself in the question about the existence of the Divine?

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OOPS forgot to say I was joking. People are way too serious back here. Slave drivers even.

:egypt:

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

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You know it's true. :snobby:

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Originally Posted by AntiochusIII

Usually, it's often the positive proof that should come first, common sense-speaking.

If Quietus was here, he'd say something like, "Leprechauns; prove they don't exist."

I myself doesn't care, though. And DA, aren't you nullifying your own Ignostic position by engaging yourself in the question about the existence of the Divine?

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No, it's not nullifying it, because then anyone giving it a shot would have to define what God is first.

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Originally Posted by DemonArchangel

I hereby declare myself an ignostic. Why? Because there is no way to prove whether there is, or is not a God, merely faith, trust, and belief. Thus, the concept of God is incoherent and absurd.

Also, I declare that the existence of a God is emotionally meaningless to me as well. I do not need worship or faith in a higher power to feel complete.

Now, you in the backroom can either try to prove to me that there is a God, or just give me an amen in agreement, or give me your own take on faith and religion.

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even posing the question is the first mistake.

think about it.....if nobody had told you about "God"...would the concept even have come into your head?
if it isn´t a question that naturally comes to you what is the point of it....?

it´s just a silly social construct...let it go.

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Originally Posted by DemonArchangel

No, agnostic means being UNSURE of the existence of a God.

IGnostic on the other hand means that you think the concept of God is downright absurd.

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As one cannot prove there is a God nor that there isn't one, I think it would be morally sound to proclaim yourself "agnostic", "unsure", "skeptic"...
Because if there is a God...you'll burn in Hell mate:whip::yes::smash:

The best argument for the existence of God that I can think of is myself, my environment, and the rest of the world.

I find it hard to believe all of this - from the mountains and the oceans, to the microscopic cells that form them - just came about as a result of a big bang or coincidence.

So I could believe in a God, but not a religion run by people only interested in control.

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Originally Posted by Prince of the Poodles

The best argument for the existence of God that I can think of is myself, my environment, and the rest of the world.

I find it hard to believe all of this - from the mountains and the oceans, to the microscopic cells that form them - just came about as a result of a big bang or coincidence.

So I could believe in a God, but not a religion run by people only interested in control.

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You know what I hear. That teacher from Charlie Brown.

wha whaa wha whha wha wha :wall:

Well done, well done another one come to their senses

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Originally Posted by DemonArchangel

No, agnostic means being UNSURE of the existence of a God.

IGnostic on the other hand means that you think the concept of God is downright absurd.

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In that case what does atheist mean?

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In that case what does atheist mean?

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One who denies the existence of god...

I have never heard of "ignostic" though. Nevertheless, the definitions are quite alike.

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Originally Posted by Harald Den BlåToth

Because if there is a God...you'll burn in Hell mate:whip::yes::smash:

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I find it hard to fathom that "God" could give you freedom/ability to choose to not believe in him, then punish you for it when in the afterlife...thats just mean...

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Originally Posted by Prince of the Poodles

The best argument for the existence of God that I can think of is myself, my environment, and the rest of the world.

I find it hard to believe all of this - from the mountains and the oceans, to the microscopic cells that form them - just came about as a result of a big bang or coincidence.

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Eh?

So a giant explosion is implausible as the cradle of life but an old robed geezer living on a cloud, smiting here and there when the mood takes him is a better explanation for existence...

You do realise how mental that sounds dont you?


My very simple take on God-

Do you believe in the existence of 'The Force' or Superman or Flying Pink Elephants? No? Then why is God somehow real? I cant see how anyone can claim belief in God but not in any other crazy stuff...

EDIT:- You know why else God and heaven and all that is cobblers? Because life isnt that perfect. No happy endings, everythings gonna be all right. Life just isnt that kind.

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Originally Posted by lancelot

I find it hard to fathom that "God" could give you freedom/ability to choose to not believe in him, then punish you for it when in the afterlife...thats just mean...

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that´s always been one of the things i´ve found funnier about the christian/judaic (spelling?) faith...

the motto seems to be:

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Eternal damnation and punishment awaits those who question God's unconditional love

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talk about an oxymoron

If a video game construct became self-aware how would it prove its own existence? We are in a similar situation with regards to proving God's existence or lack thereof. God is said to have created all things. He existed before creation, and therefore exists outside of it. He is outside our reference system. The point is that if in fact God exists, then OBVIOUSLY you cannot prove it without him wanting you to. If you could prove his existence without him wanting you to, then he wouldn't be God. He would be a part of the system, rather than outside of it. As part of creation, or the 'system', there is logically no way for us to prove what he doesn't want proven. He is the great programmer in the sky.

http://www.simulation-argument.com/matrix.html

"If you are such a simulated mind, there might be no direct observational way for you to tell; the virtual reality that you would be living in would look and feel perfectly real. But all that this shows, so far, is that you could never be completely sure that you are not living in a simulation."

"The simulation hypothesis, however, may have some subtle effects on rational everyday behaviour. To the extent that you think that you understand the motives of the simulators, you can use that understanding to predict what will happen in the simulated world they created. If you think that there is a chance that the simulator of this world happens to be, say, a true-to-faith descendant of some contemporary Christian fundamentalist, you might conjecture that he or she has set up the simulation in such a way that the simulated beings will be rewarded or punished according to Christian moral criteria. An afterlife would, of course, be a real possibility for a simulated creature (who could either be continued in a different simulation after her death or even be “uploaded” into the simulator’s universe and perhaps be provided with an artificial body there)."

"If we are in a simulation, is it possible that we could know that for certain? If the simulators don’t want us to find out, we probably never will. But if they choose to reveal themselves, they could certainly do so."

Maybe Al Gore is God, after all he invented the Internet.

When you stop caring about anything it ceases to exist. Things only exist so long as we give them a special meaning.

Nothing can exist as as such, outside the mind.

Surely that depends on what you view existence to be.

~:smoking:

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Originally Posted by DemonArchangel

Now, you in the backroom can either try to prove to me that there is a God, or just give me an amen in agreement, or give me your own take on faith and religion.

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I'm a Roman Catholic and pretty libertarian when it comes to other people. I really could care less what your religion is. Good for you, that you think you found something that makes you happy.