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I sometimes see guys called Phantom or similar.
I'm almost sure he is German.
He enter game and start telling nazism propaganda. Something like sieg heil, SS, hitler, himmler and similar. I wonder why chat monitor or gs staff does not react on these situation. I have seen that guy about 5 times and gs staff did nothing. They didn't even ban his account.
I wonder if CA know that public supporting nazism is crime.
Where do you live, Krook? In America at least, that freedom is allowed us. And CA is an american group.
No, they're British with a Aussie office too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Derfasciti
And nazism is complete and utter bollucks, so someone should give the kid a slap just for being to stupid. But more officially its racism, amongst other things. Free speech is one thing, racism is quite another.
Oh and Krook is Polish, so you can understand why he would feel particularly strongly about this.
Anyway krook best thing to do is to report his gs id, he'll probably make another, but its worth a ago :inquisitive:
Surely they can catch his IP whenever he uses that account?Quote:
Originally Posted by Monarch
just put him on ban and ignore and kick him from any games he enters. It will take the community as a whole to get rid of him, but it can be done.
Is the ban and ignore function in M2TW permanent like with STW/MTW?
I haven't had the occasion to use it much yet.
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come on guys... don't be so sensitive.... he is a pr**k, at least don't edit the screenshot, im just trying to help... :thumbsdown:
I didnt read all that, care to summarise?
Edit: erm, I guess the post I was reffering to got deleted?
I wrote e-mail to CA. As for now - no reply. Looks like its ok for them if someone glorify nazism on their forum.
You try posting "I love Nazi's" on .com, I know about 15 mods that will ban you before you even pressed submitQuote:
Originally Posted by KrooK
The most effective course of action is peer pressure. If there's an ignore function use it, any attention in the chat is exactly what they seek, don't give them what they want. Refuse to play in any game the perpetrators join or host. After being totally ignored for awhile they tend to go elsewhere.
Corrected the quote a little :2thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Stig
Since there is an ignore function in the M2TW lobby, this problem should be moot.
If any of you remember what happened the last time someone made a point to complain about Rome's lobby, you would be very careful how you approached CA on this issue. For those who aren't aware of what CA did to the Rome lobby when someone threatened a lawsuit (or at the very least, bad publicity), CA closed down the lobby completely. Then reinstated the lobby, minus the ability to chat within the lobby for quite a long time.
If a big issue is made of this, you may have to decide if you would rather just put this nazi-spouting idiot on ignore or do without the chat function. If you choose the latter, then you are punishing the wrong people and not the trouble maker.
You can't expect others to fight all your battles, especially when there is a remedy available for you to eliminate the problem (the ignore command).
I can guarantee CA will overreact on this issue if pressed.
Sorry but I can't agree with previous post. We have our laws and our rights to use them.
CA blocked ability of using some words, why they can't some add others like
"heil hitler".
Actually into Poland that behavior would be very good reason to put lawsuit againts both that Germand and CA. CA must know that they are responsible for words on their lobby. So if we can't say "shit" - "heil hitler" should be blocked too.
Though why can't you just put this person on ignore and ban? Problem solved. CA has given everyone a way to eliminate idiots like this nazi propagandist, so why not use it? Would you rather see the chat server shut down like before?
Given CA hasn't shown much interest in MP over the years, I am sure they would be most happy to shut down the chat server. At least until the new expansion is out and they want to market its multiplayer feature once more.
BTW: Such speak of supporting Nazism is illegal in some countries, not all. As much as we hate it, in a lot of countries, we have to put up with it. CA is based in England and Australia. I am not sure, but I believe spouting nazi propaganda is not considered illegal in those two countries. It's stupid and hateful, but I do not think it is illegal (You would have to ask someone who lives there). Though hate speech is banned in those two places, so you may be able to go at it from that angle instead. Unfortunately, I know little of international law and its relationship to the internet. Given the RTW lobby didn't have a way to ban individuals (supposedly, which is why they shut the RTW chat server down for such a long time awhile back), I wonder if it is possible with the M2TW lobby? If not, I guess CA could shut down chat for those individuals residing in countries where it is illegal. That is what they did with Rome's chat lobby, I am sure they can do it again.
As I stated before, every time someone in the community sees somebody being offensive (or saying something which is considered illegal in their country), they can PM everyone in the lobby and ask them to put the guy on ignore and ban him from their games. If he doesn't get a rise out of people, he will go away. Since this is the internet, there is no way to really punish this low life, but you can make things uncomfortable for him by ignoring/banning.
Your idea of having certain words placed in the "filter" also appears to be a possible solution, but do you have any idea exactly how many words there would be necessary to filter such language? Plus, do you know how easy it is to get around these filters if you really want to? Just add some extra characters between letters. Then you add on top of this 100's of languages and it would take another server just to document all offensive and illegal words/speech.
Either way, I hope you have success in stopping this big dummy. There is no place in the TW community for such hatefulness, nor the world for that matter.
It's not illegal in the UK. You might be able to use the hate crime angle, but ignoring him would work best. He's probably just some idiot saying those things for fun to annoy people. So put him on ignore.Quote:
A is based in England and Australia. I am not sure, but I believe spouting nazi propaganda is not considered illegal in those two countries. It's stupid and hateful, but I do not think it is illegal (You would have to ask someone who lives there).
anything with an erotical context is censored.
the word sex is censored, even if u only say "its expensive..."
the word viagra is also censored.
sieg heil, heil hitler and that stuff is not cencored...
i hate the censor and wish it was removed, but as long there is one they shall suppress facsism be4 they censor anythin else.
i think a discussion about wheter freedom of speech is a good thing or not is legal, but facsism isnt interested in that discussion, it simply denies it.Quote:
Derfasciti Where do you live, Krook? In America at least, that freedom is allowed us. And CA is an american group.
why should it be granted freedom of speech then?
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I can see banning those few words, but as you know, it is very easy to get around filters . . . *S-E=X, ZEX, S3X and a bunch of other ways, so filtering these words might slow such down, but not eliminate it altogether. CA could do it as a feel good, politically correct thing to do, but it wouldn't stop those who are persistent about such things.
Im in no way simpaphysing with nazism but dont you think that by directly supressing it we become more like them?
Also supression on a large scale does nothing but give fuel to the claim that "The jews rule USA/the world"...
I've read through laws in america it's not illegal but in some states they have made it illegal. In the south (used to live there) there where protest all the time (ive been to atleast 6)(my bro is kinda redneck racist) but ive also been to anti hate rallys. as long as there is no violence its not illegal but once it gets outa hand thats when cops and firemen and ect. arrive. in california there are alot of gay pride protest but havnt seen any Klu klux klan or White rallies. (believe the minute one is in with 100 miles my bro lets me know) and for the record I, myself am not racist but I kinda like political history and so on so please dont take this the wrong way im just adding my input
Hey,Quote:
Originally Posted by ElmarkOFear
no place in the TW MP communtiy for Hate like this, but I must argee with Elmark and Krook though.
Yes, I find saying Nazi Proganda is stupid and crude, but banning them is the best way- unless it's taking place on a fourm.
You can nolfity CA m8, Krook, might be good idea to do that, but then again, like El said, we all remember what happen when a certain MP player went to CA? ?
If it takes place on a fourm then yes. DOn't listen to the "just ignore them" people here aat TW MP, because if it take place at a place (not at .com), then I doubt it going to be proleplyy handed, expect for a ban for him.
I say, don't respond. Take pics and ask admins to leave the posts there for physcial online proof. Ask for his IP, and go to IP infomation place, I use WHOIS, and find out his ISP and report him. I reported people,are in the process of reporting someone and even been threated myself once, so I know how the Process Works Krook. Let the ISP shut him down if he does it on a fourm..
Guys I know what can be done if you say any nazis propaganda into other games. For example into Wolfenstain it results into kick and ban for a week.
Sorry but maybe CA should kick and ban?
Screw nazism, why in gods name are they legally allowed to sell us this rubbish that is practically broken. If I bought an ipod and it didnt turn on, Im pretty sure ide get my money back. GIVE ME MY MONEY BACK.
Yup, if CA can ban this guy, I wouldn't have a problem with it at all.
Though during the RTW chat fiasco, I thought CA mentioned they had no way of identifying or actually banning a player from the gamespy server. There was some reason mentioned why they couldn't ban the few players doing much of the same as this guy is doing. If M2TW is set up differently, they may very well be able to permanently ban this guy's cd-key. I wouldn't have a problem with that at all.
I DID notice tonight this person was online, and someone told everyone to avoid this guy's game and that he was spouting nazi nonsense. From what I saw nobody spoke to the guy, nor joined his game. When I got out of a game after it locked up at launch, the guy was gone.
I think if, we as a community keep this up, we can eliminate the problem outselves. If not, then we can ask CA, as a community and not just a few players, to get rid of this guy permanently.
However, if anyone resorts to mentioning the word "lawsuit" or "going to the media" I would expect CA to do a pre-emptive closing of the chat lobby like they did in RTW.
I would be willing to put my signature to a request to ban this person, since I personally abhor any type of hate speech.
Member of CA respond on my e-mail today.
I can't tell what exactly he told because it was private e-mail but I'm absolutely satisfied. CA won't allow on nazi propaganda on gs.
I must tell that CA handled with problem seriously.
That is good news. :yes:
Hey,
Very Great News indeed Krook. Glad you are taking a stand :) :)
if the guys statements have actually attacked other people he should be banned from lobby. i do not like nazism but ive seen people talk of their muslim fundamentalists beliefs which i dont really care to hear either. its not a matter of saying you are a nazi or a muslim its when you start verbally attacking other beliefs and groups that crosses the line. if that line is crossed he should be banned but people should also be censored for abusing holes in the language filters too.
the game is for late teen ratings but you never know that some 10 year old kid could be on there or someguys wife looks over his shoulder while he is viewing the lobby and sees some of the statements made on it and hits him over the head with a skillet.
I think what is most frustrating to me is the mindless and arbitrary censorship of normal conversation. Normal phrases such as: "but its spice" turn out as : *** ** *****. That phrase is completely censored by the lobby, while "I kill [enter ethnic group here]" is allowed.
Dont get me wrong, I agree with Elmarko-- but if CA is going to have some bogus censorship in place, they might want to improve its efficacy or remove it. Frankly, it only frustrates me when I'm trying to have a normal adult conversation and it does nothing to stop the abusive punks that are causing problems.
Just more crap we have to deal with if we want to play MP. Brilliant!:idea2:
Can someone tell me why the word "spice" is banned?
I can sort of understand "but its" being an attempt to stop people from saying "tits".... but banning "spice"?
And whats wrong with tits anyway?
So now I have to say: "However, it is a flavorful condiment" when I want to refer to spice...
And dont ask me why I like spice so much, its none of your business :P