This thread was created with the purpose of identifying the political alignment of individual members, and to establish a quick reference of a political profile for consultation by other members. I'm going for a sticky so that this will always be available for viewing. However, there are some rules to this.Please read them before posting. They are necessary for the thread to work properly. If you see a problem with the thread, please notify me by PM, not by posting here.
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1) Only posts with the format below:
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Quote:
Country of Residence:
Nationality: (nationality is your current citizenship)
Political Compass Result: Economic Left/Right: - Social Libertarian/Authoritarian:
Where do you put yourself on the political spectrum:
Do you identify yourself with a certain political grouping (socialist, neocon, etc):
Do you identify yourself with a certain political party:
Religion:
Abortion:
War in Iraq:
War in Afghanistan:
Marijuana:
Firearms:
Gay Marriage:
Gay Adoption:
Religion in Schools:
Death Penalty:
European Union:
Israel:
Will be acceptable in the thread. If you have no opinion on an issue, please say "undecided". You may put the political compass graph in your post. Copying and pasting the above is the best way to go. ~:)
2) The thread will include no debate or comments other than a post and profile for each member. I have contacted the Backroom moderators, namely Banquo's Ghost, to help me out with this, to which he has graciously agreed.
3) You may go back to edit your profile if your opinion on something changes. Just go ahead and do it, there's no need to post that you did it. If you want to change your political compass results, however, you will need to take the test again.
4) Please keep your profile as accurate as possible.
5) For the political compass results, only this Political Compass will be used. This is to standardize responses. You do not have to fill out a Political Compass quiz, but it is very strongly encouraged.
NOTE: This chart is from what I'd say is the American-style political compass. If you are from a European country, you may want to tinker with the graph a little bit to decide where you fit. I'm aware that the Political Compass test can be flawed. It is just here to give members a general idea.
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A chart of where members fit on the Political Compass. You will, obviously, only go on this map if you have posted your Political Compass results.
Country of Residence: Nationality: German Political Compass Result: Economic Left/Right: 3.88 - Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.92 Where do you put yourself on the political spectrum: Right-wing, mostly libertarian tendencies with a few slightly authoritarian beliefs scattered in. Do you indentify yourself with a certain political grouping (socialist, neocon, etc): Free Market Conservative/Monarchist. Do you identify yourself with a certain political party: No major party in Germany fits my views. Religion: Roman Catholic
Abortion: Legal in early-term pregnancy in cases of rape, legal whenever when threatening life of mother. Otherwise illegal. War in Iraq: Against initial invasion, pro-war now. War in Afghanistan: Pro-war, send more troops. Marijuana: Legal for medicinal purposes. Neutral to decriminalization of small amounts. Firearms: Minimal control laws, citizens should be able to acquire them relatively freely. Gay Marriage: Neutral. Gay adoption: Undecided. Religion in schools: Teach the history, unless in a religious private school. Death penalty: Neutral. European Union: Against political union. Israel: Pro-Israel.
03-16-2008, 21:27
Ice
Re: Political Leanings of Members
Country of Residence:USA
Nationality:American
Political Compass Result: Economic Left/Right:1.62 - Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.69
Where do you put yourself on the political spectrum: I'd claim to be a libertarian, but in reality I'm more center right.
Do you indentify yourself with a certain political grouping (socialist, neocon, etc): Not really
Do you indentify yourself with a certain political party: Not really
Religion: Agnostic
Abortion: In very early pregnancies, rape, and danger to the mother
War in Iraq: For it initally, but hoping for a gradual troops reduction, then pullout very soon
War in Afghanistan: Send more troops. NATO needs to contribute more.
Marijuana: Abolition of federal laws regulating marijuana. I'm for slow decriminalization, and eventual restricted legalization, but states should decide for themselves.
Firearms: States should decide for themselves. That said, I believe it should depend on the geography and social situation.
Gay Marriage: For, but it should be difficult to obtain
Gay adoption: For, but in restricted circumstances. Gay parents can be very capable of raising a child, but I do believe in an ideal situation, a mother and father in a stable situation would be better.
Religion in schools: There should be time set aside each day for whatever kind of activity you need/want to do.
Death penalty: In very rare circumstances and within 99.9999% of a doubt.
European Union: Don't really care, although it shouldn't be given more power.
03-16-2008, 21:27
Lemur
Re: Political Leanings of Members
My Political Profile
Country of Residence: United States Nationality: American mutt Political Compass Result: Economic Left/Right: 4.25; Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.03 Where do you put yourself on the political spectrum: Mr. Marx summed it up best: "These are my principles, and if you don't like them … well, I have others." Do you indentify yourself with a certain political grouping (socialist, neocon, etc): No. Do you indentify yourself with a certain political party: No. Religion: Episcopalian with deist tendencies.
Abortion: Will be made obsolete by technology. In the meantime, legal 1st trimester, progressively less legal after that. War in Iraq: To quote The Economist: "The Iraq war was a case study of what happens when politicisation is mixed with incompetence." War in Afghanistan: Over a decade of victory! Marijuana: Legalize, tax and control. Firearms: In favor of right to ownership and most concealed carry laws. Opposed to stand your ground. Gay Marriage: Pro. Gay adoption: As long as they qualify on the same standards as hetero couples. Religion in schools: Fine for parochial schools, unnecessary to inject it into public schools. Besides, if we allow endorsement of religion in public schools, we're going to have to make time for Scientologists and Reverend Moon. Death penalty: Opposed on grounds of practical application and cost. European Union: Why is their constitution 478 pages long? We crammed ours into a mere 17 pages. Curious to see if the EU experiment survives the decade. Israel: Supposedly a great strategic asset for us, but I don't see it. Some days, when contemplating the Palestinian/Israeli axis of neverending stupidity, I think maybe Ripley got it right.
03-16-2008, 21:34
Kralizec
Re: Political Leanings of Members
My Political Profile
Country of Residence: The Netherlands Nationality: Dutch Political Compass Result: Economic Left/Right: 2.00 Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.15 Where do you put yourself on the political spectrum: Economicly right wing, socially liberal, EU-neutral. Do you indentify yourself with a certain political grouping (socialist, neocon, etc): Liberal (European) Do you indentify yourself with a certain political party: None really, but I usually vote for liberals (VVD) Religion: Alternating between atheist and agnostic.
Abortion: Illegal when the fetus has reached viability, possibly before- except obviously when there are health risks. War in Iraq: Against the initial invasion, as soon as that was over Iraq's fate was the responsibility of the coalition. I supported and still support the occupation (heh) because the new Iraqi state deserves a chance. War in Afghanistan: Entirely for; I've always felt that we shouldn't leave until the government could maintain itself. Frankly I don't see how you could oppose it unless you're a total pacifist. Marijuana: Should be allowed and regulated much like alcohol. Firearms: Should be allowed, but only after an antecedent checkup and psychology test, and with registration. Gay Marriage: For; against forcing religious institutions to recognise them. Gay adoption: For. Religion in schools: only private schools. I hate my country's system where faith schools receive money just like public schools. Death penalty: Against on a practical basis and for that matter; not sure if it's ever justified except for crimes against humanity. European Union: Used to support, now mostly indifferent. My biggest problems with it are the CAP and lack of transparancy. Israel: Supports the state's existance, but lay most of the blame of the current mess on their politicians.
03-16-2008, 21:39
ICantSpellDawg
Re: Political Leanings of Members
Country of Residence:United States of America Nationality: U.S.A. Political Compass Result: 2008 Economic Left/Right: 1.00 - Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: .97 2011Economic Left/Right: -0.75 - Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.56 Where do you put yourself on the political spectrum:Center-Right, Center Do you identify yourself with a certain political grouping: Conservative Progressive with a healthy disrespect of authority Do you identify yourself with a certain political party:Republican Religion: Roman Catholic
Abortion: Only if necessary to save the mother's life. War in Iraq:For it at the time it began, support it now to completion. War in Afghanistan:Of course. Marijuana: End the drug war Firearms:Absolutely yes. Less regulation in general. Gay Marriage:Abolish the legal institution of marriage and create a common contract between any 2 people. Marriage in church. Gay adoption:Heterosexuals and homosexuals should only adopt hard to place children. Religion in schools:Not sponsored by the state in any way, but allowed like any other club would be. Death penalty:Generally against, but I believe it is constitutional. European Union: Federation of States with a supplemental military relationship to the United States Israel:One of the worst mistakes made in the 20th century. Apartheid nation that destabilizes the region. No state religion, abandon ghettoization of Arabs.
03-16-2008, 21:59
CountArach
Re: Political Leanings of Members
Country of Residence:Australia Nationality:Australian with Anglo roots. Political Compass Result:Economic Left/Right: -9.38 and Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: - 8.62 Where do you put yourself on the political spectrum:I don't fit myself onto any of the planes, but if I was forced to it was be the bottom left of that plane. Do you identify yourself with a certain political grouping (socialist, neocon, etc):I'm very difficult to place. Post-modern, Post-Structural and Post-Left in varying amounts. Applied Post-Structural linguistics would be there best label if it could be imagined. Do you identify yourself with a certain political party:I am a member of the Australian Greens. Religion:Atheist
Abortion:Respect a woman's right to choose. The Government has no place making this decision for women. War in Iraq:UPDATE: Completely opposed to the war - get everyone out of there ASAP. Celebrating that my countrymen and women had the intelligence to stop the madness... War in Afghanistan:UPDATE: I am now opposed to this war. Our presence has increased the drug trade and the Taliban is resurgent. Get out of there. Marijuana:Legalise along with other recreational drugs. Firearms:Completely against. Only keep weapons for jobs that require it, as well as things like hunting (and then only in very strictly limited sizes and amounts). Disarm the police force. Gay Marriage:Gays have a right to be married. Gay adoption:Gays have a right to adopt children, the same as Heterosexual couples. Religion in schools:Completely against - including Private Schooling. Death penalty: Abolish. European Union:Should be a Government with more power if the majority of people want it to be. Israel:Israel should go back to the borders it was created with in 1948, or at least the 1967 borders. Palestine has as much right to exist as a state as Israel does. Israel's actions in Gaza were completely morally reprehensible.
03-16-2008, 22:00
seireikhaan
Re: Political Leanings of Members
My political profile
Country of Residence: United States of America Nationality: American. Blood heritage is German and English. Political Compass Results: Economic Left/Right: 1.00 - Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.95 Where do you put yourself on the political spectrum: Moderate left Do you indentify yourself with a certain political grouping (socialist, neocon, etc): Social libertarian(eh, roughly) Do you indentify yourself with a certain political party: Independant. Religion: Agnostic, philosophically Buddhist.
Abortion: In 1st trimester, I'd consider it legal. Afterwards, no. War in Iraq: Against its authorization; However, I think we almost have to stay until Iraqi's can clean up after themselves. However, I don't think we've been putting enough pressure on them to get their butt into gear and get their own forces strong enough. Kinda hard, I s'pose, when Big Brother is there to protect you... War in Afghanistan: I think, honestly, we need to find an acceptable dictator who can strong arm the populace into some sense of docility. Ideally would be someone who could make a peaceful transition to Democracy in the next 10-20 years. I think the lesson here is that NO ONE will rule Afghanistan except for the Afghans. Trying to occupy it is an exercise in futility. Marijuana: Legalize it. In my country's case, we could use the extra revenue, plus I fail to see how it is much worse than smoking or alcohol. Firearms: Less restrictions, except for felons. Gay Marriage: Don't make religious institutions marry them, but allow a secular marriage. Marriage doesn't have to be religious, folks... Gay adoption: If they meet the same requirements that heterosexuals meet, then yes. Religion in schools: Allow for private schools to do what they want regarding it, but no public prayer in public schools. If kids want to pray during school, they should keep it from being a spectacle. Separation of church and state. Death penalty: Doesn't work, and ends up costing more money due to the process and appeals etc... So generally no. However, I do believe it should be an option for the very, very worst of humanity, such as for those convicted of crimes against humanity, aka Saddam or Robert Mugabe. European Union: Honestly, I don't know a whole lot about the inner workings of European politics. However, if they are genuinely trying to pass a democratic strategic alliance, they must abide by their own contract. But really, I'd rather they formed an actual singular entity, to oppose Russia.
03-16-2008, 22:00
Oleander Ardens
Re: Political Leanings of Members
My Political Profile
Oleander Ardens
Country of Residence: Europe Nationality: more than one Political Compass Result: - Where do you put yourself on the political spectrum: Economicly right wing but with a social leaning concerning healthcare, pension and education , socially very liberal, EU-friendly. Do you indentify yourself with a certain political grouping (socialist, neocon, etc): Liberal (European) Do you indentify yourself with a certain political party: Torn between the Green , the Conservative and the Liberal forces Religion: Catholic
Abortion: Should be avoided as much as possible (education etc), as the more I know the more I consider it a terrible and fatal decision against a human being, an unborn individual. War in Iraq: Against the initial invasion. Torn between a retreat and staying. Both could have dire consequences. Marijuana: Should be allowed and regulated less than alcohol. I have personally witnessed what drink and drive can do. Firearms: Should be restricted as much as possible. Gay Marriage: For; against forcing religious institutions of recognising anything.
Gay adoption: For. Religion in schools: (assuming that you mean actual faith-based schools and not just extension courses) I guess it is better to offer them to take control out of the hand of extremists. Death penalty: Against on a practical basis and for that matter; not sure if it's ever justified except for crimes against humanity.
03-16-2008, 22:27
Tristuskhan
Re: Political Leanings of Members
My political profile
Country of Residence: France
Nationality: French, Breton subspecies
Political Compass Results: Economic Left/Right: -9.25 - Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.79
Where do you put yourself on the political spectrum: left
Do you indentify yourself with a certain political grouping (socialist, neocon, etc): both slightly anarchist and christian-democrat
Do you indentify yourself with a certain political party: no
Religion: None
Abortion: Up to the woman, fullpoint
War in Iraq: Shame on America
War in Afghanistan: can't be won, alas!
Marijuana: Legalize it. Take it away from criminal networks.
Firearms: only for hunting purpose
Gay Marriage: Don't care much
Gay adoption: If they meet the same requirements that heterosexuals meet, then yes (thanks Kamikhaan, just copied your sentence).
Religion in schools: What? Kids study religions during history lessons, that's enough.
Death penalty: some deserve it, but who am I to decide who deserves it? So it is no in any circumstances.
European Union: love the idea, but don't like the way it's built nowadays. should, in my mind, aim for a true political union.
Israël: definitely has the right to exist now, but no right to support colonist nutters as it does.
03-16-2008, 22:42
Conradus
Re: Political Leanings of Members
My Political Profile
Conradus
Country of Residence: Belgium Nationality: Belgian Political Compass Result: Economic Left/Right: -3.75
Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.72 Where do you put yourself on the political spectrum: I put myself at the centre of Belgian politics, leaning slightly to the right. Pro-EU. Do you indentify yourself with a certain political grouping (socialist, neocon, etc): Belgian Conservatives Do you indentify yourself with a certain political party: CD&V Religion: Catholic, though more in name than in deeds
Abortion: Should be legal, I'm having trouble accepting foeti as living beings. Will probably change my opinion on that later. War in Iraq: The invasion was entirely illegal, but now the US has to remain there to clean up the mess. Marijuana: I'm against it in principle, though since it's here, anyone has the right to destroy his life, but he may not affect others. Firearms: Should be outlawed. Gay Marriage: Should be legal, can't force the Church to accept it though. Gay adoption: Legal Religion in schools: like it's regulated here in Belgium. The statenet offers both christian and atheistich lessons, the christian net should only offer christian education. Parents may choose between the nets.
Death penalty: Absolutly contra. The risk of murdering innocents is too high and I believe in second-chances.
03-16-2008, 22:54
Somebody Else
Re: Political Leanings of Members
Country of Residence: UK (Scotland)/China (Peking)
Nationality: British
Political Compass Result: Economic Left/Right: 1.62 - Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.87
Where do you put yourself on the political spectrum: Right-ish, middle-ish
Do you indentify yourself with a certain political grouping (socialist, neocon, etc): Conservative (Though Cameron et al are a bit wet for my tastes)
Do you indentify yourself with a certain political party: Conservative (see above)
Religion: Can't be bothered (do like a good hymn though - schooling...)
Abortion: Allow it
War in Iraq: We broke it, we stay 'til we fix it.
Marijuana: Ban it.
Firearms: Ban anything that's designed for anti-personel use. Why any civilian feels the need to carry an assault rifle is beyond me, and I'd strongly suspect them of being somewhat sociopathic.
Gay Marriage: Marriage should be a joyful affair. If you're talking about 'civil partnerships', fine go ahead, but don't call it marriage, because that's something else, and always has been.
Gay adoption: Don't be ridiculous.
Religion in schools: Only if it doesn't affect anyone - cross on a necklace - fine, wearing a tent - no. If the school is founded as a faith school, compulsory services are fine, otherwise, none whatsoever.
Death penalty: Bring it back, treason trials too (I can think of some candidates already). Oh, and fine the families as well - if they produce such a waste of oxygen, they should pay the penalty.
03-16-2008, 23:20
Meneldil
Re : Political Leanings of Members
Country of Residence: France Nationality: French Political Compass Result:Economic Left/Right: -6.50 - Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.15 Where do you put yourself on the political spectrum: from moderate-left to far left, depending on the issue Do you indentify yourself with a certain political grouping (socialist, neocon, etc): no Do you indentify yourself with a certain political party: no Religion: Agnostic
Abortion: That's up to the woman, and certainly not the state's business War in Iraq: Invading Iraq was stupid as hell, but now you have to stay there to somehow clean the mess. Marijuana: Though I think it's more dangerous than alcohol and smoking, I wouldn't mind it being legalised, as it seems to be the best way to controle it. Firearms: I don't see any valuable reason to own or bear firearms nowadays, and thus think they should be banned permanently. Gay Marriage: Why not, though religious mariage is another issue. Gay adoption: Here, I'm sadly against, for numerous reasons. Religion in schools: Never, ever. It's already being taught as History, that's more than enough. Death penalty: I don't think anyone here is entitled to put an end to someone else's life (though I think some people deserve it).
03-17-2008, 00:07
caravel
Re: Political Leanings of Members
Country of Residence: Gah Nationality: Gahish Political Compass Result: Economic Left/Right: -7.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.62 Where do you put yourself on the political spectrum: Lefty Do you indentify yourself with a certain political grouping (socialist, neocon, etc): Not really Do you indentify yourself with a certain political party: No Religion: No Abortion: No War in Iraq: Against war/occupation (and against war/occupation in Afghanistan) Marijuana: Legal for adults, let them kill themselves if they wish. Alcohol and tobacco already are legal in most countries and more die of this and on the roads, etc etc. At the end of the day stupid laws are no replacement for common sense and proper parenting. Firearms: No, why? Gay Marriage: Yes - who really cares (except gay people of course)? Gay adoption: Some reservations (i.e. I personally wouldn't want two gay parents) but all in all not bothered. Religion in schools: Yes but all religions and impartially as part of the history subject. Death penalty: Yes in exceptional cases but on the whole a reform of the prison system is needed.[/QUOTE]
03-17-2008, 00:15
Uesugi Kenshin
Re: Political Leanings of Members
My Political Profile
Country of Residence: Vermont, USA Nationality: Irish, Scottish, English, Norwegian, Czech, Hungarian, approximately from most to least Political Compass Result: Economic Left/Right: -6.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.46 Where do you put yourself on the political spectrum: Social liberal, fiscally I'm fairly liberal too but not stereotypically so Do you indentify yourself with a certain political grouping (socialist, neocon, etc): Definitely not Do you indentify yourself with a certain political party: Even less so than any political grouping Religion: None. I'm atheist, but I don't care what others believe so long as it doesn't interfere in politics.
Abortion: Is a bad option most of the time, but early pregnancy abortions should be legal. War in Iraq: A bad idea in just about every way, but I'm not decided on what we should do now that we've made a mess of it. Marijuana: Legalize small quantities, tax it. Firearms: Civilian ownership shouldn't be infringed, but firearms should be regulated, especially those which are best suited to killing people. Gay Marriage: Sure. Gay adoption: Sure, they should be held to the same standards as straight couples, but sure. Religion in schools: Public schools don't need it, and I am very much against religion playing a role in them. I don't really care about private schools, though I do think private schools are a bad idea in general. Death penalty: A bad idea. The death penalty is costly, taxes the legal system and because there can never be any certainty that an individual committed a crime we might as well throw them in a hole for the rest of their lives rather than kill them.
03-17-2008, 03:24
Mouzafphaerre
Re: Political Leanings of Members
. Country of Residence: Turkey Nationality: I don't believe in nations. I'm a Turk, which I define as a Turkish speaking Muslim. But I have several different strains in my genes contributing to my ethnicity.
Political Compass Result:
Economic Left/Right: -5.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.08
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(Much more leftist and libertarian than my last time. However, it'd be better off giving me a shadow point way top right. ~;p)
Where do you put yourself on the political spectrum: Mostly left but in some aspects right. Do you identify yourself with a certain political grouping (socialist, neocon, etc): Liberal Democratic/Constitutional Monarchist Do you identify yourself with a certain political party: No Religion: Islam
Abortion: Homicide War in Iraq: Abominable. But I understand that it's necessary for the existence of US as it is. War in Afghanistan: Imperialism Marijuana: Should be legalised under strict control. Firearms: Strict control. Including law enforcers. Gay Marriage: I approve. Gay adoption: Unacceptable concerning children. Religion in schools: On demand. Religious families have the right to provide their children with religious education. Religious culture should be taught to all. Death penalty: Absolutely necessary for crimes such as homicide, rape, coup attempt etc. European Union: A necessary counter-balancing element against the behemothic American influence and increasing Russian pressure. Israel: No country should exist based on ethno-religious causes. The Jews have the right to live wherever they wish, including the Holy Land indeed but an exclusive Jewish state has been only creating problems and will go on doing so. Therefore, whatever it's named, a new state should be established based on modern democratic foundations and answering to the demands of the population of whatever ethnic or religious background. All kinds of extremists should be eliminated in the process.
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03-17-2008, 03:27
KukriKhan
Re: Political Leanings of Members
Country of Residence:US Nationality: mixed western euro & amerind Political Compass Result: Economic Left/Right: 6.5 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 8.05 Where do you put yourself on the political spectrum: off-chart, upper-right Do you indentify yourself with a certain political grouping (socialist, neocon, etc): no Do you indentify yourself with a certain political party: no Religion: no preference
Abortion: no War in Iraq: no Marijuana: yes Firearms: yes Gay Marriage: yes. But not mandatory for me. Gay adoption: yes Religion in schools:no Death penalty: no
03-17-2008, 04:07
JAG
Re: Political Leanings of Members
Country of Residence: UK - England Nationality: English Political Compass Result: Economic Left/Right -9.75, Social Libertarian / Authoritarian -8.97 - seems you do get more right wing with age, I seem to remember getting -9.8 - 9.9, well I at least get more authoritarian ;) Where do you put yourself on the political spectrum: Not as left economically as the test makes me out, the questions are far, far too basic. I believe in the state, but also a role for private enterprise to help the state, a big concession for me in the last few years. I am however very liberal on social issues, very, very liberal. Do you identify yourself with a certain political grouping (socialist, neocon, etc): I used to state to everybody that I was a socialist, I still am to some extent, but I think it would be fairer to state that now I am probably more of a liberal social democrat, than a liberal socialist. Do you identify yourself with a certain political party: I have been a member of the Labour Party - in the UK, believe it or not - for, er, 5 years now I think. Religion: A somewhat militant Atheist.
Abortion: Is a great thing, I have NO problem with it and I think it should be actively encouraged for many people as another form of contraception providing it is before 24 weeks. After that I think abortion is disgusting and should never be granted and undertaken unless in the cases of incest, risk to mothers life, other horrible complications for the mother / baby, terrible illness for the baby and deemed necessary.
War in Iraq: I foolishly supported it at the time because I didn't think my government would lie like it did - but it did. Since then I have been vehemently against it and have argued for the troops to have been brought home for 4 years now.
Marijuana: Legalise it, how long is it gonna blimming take! So many benefits, no negatives.
Firearms: If you are for them and are not American, you are crazy; if you are American, you are still crazy, but at least you have some tenuous constitutional argument to hide behind. More guns = more deaths. Get rid of them!
Gay Marriage: Legalise it / let it happen. Pure discrimination and no business of anyone bar the people it involves.
Gay Adoption: Allow it. Pure discrimination and all children need is a loving, caring environment.
Religion in Schools: NO. Never. No to religious schools and prayer in school, it has no place.
Death Penalty: NO. It is no disincentive to criminals, you can't bring the dead back to life if innocent, I don't want the state being able to have the power to kill people like this and most importantly - it is morally bankrupt and plain wrong.
European Union: I am in favour of a United States of Europe. A very close and federalised EU, in which there is a EU wide governing body and each State retains their own political structure but it is firmly below that of the EU executive and legislature. Too many benefits of this to mention, but I firmly believe it is in the best interests of everyone inside the EU.
03-17-2008, 04:11
Mikeus Caesar
Re: Political Leanings of Members
Country of Residence: Australia Nationality: British Political Compass Result: Economic Left/Right: -5.38 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.82 Where do you put yourself on the political spectrum: Centrist Do you indentify yourself with a certain political grouping (socialist, neocon, etc): Socialism Do you indentify yourself with a certain political party: None Religion: None
Abortion: Yes War in Iraq: No Marijuana: Yes Firearms: Yes Gay Marriage: Yes Gay adoption: Yes Religion in schools: No Death penalty: Yes
03-17-2008, 04:26
Redleg
Re: Political Leanings of Members
Country of Residence: United States Nationality: American Political Compass Result: Where do you put yourself on the political spectrum: Fiscial Conservative, Constutionist Do you indentify yourself with a certain political grouping (socialist, neocon, etc): None Do you indentify yourself with a certain political party: None Religion: No organized church - but consider myself a christian
Abortion: Personal Choice 1st Trimester, Medical necessity after War in Iraq: Yes, method of carrying it out questionable Marijuana: Dont Care Firearms: Yes Gay Marriage: Let each state decide Gay adoption: Let each state decide Religion in schools: personal choice Death penalty: Some crimes warrant the death penelty
03-17-2008, 04:59
spmetla
Re: Political Leanings of Members
Country of Residence: USA Nationality: American Political Compass Result: Economic Left/Right: 1.12 - Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.31 Where do you put yourself on the political spectrum: social liberal, market liberal Do you indentify yourself with a certain political grouping (socialist, neocon, etc): None Do you indentify yourself with a certain political party: None, personally I think political parties are to be despised Religion: atheist though I hope to find out I'm wrong Abortion: Pro, even infantcide would okay with me so long as done within a month of birth War in Iraq: Supported the invasion though now feel it was a mistake, support current operations because I believe the US can 'win' and out of obligation to the Iraqis for screwing their country up War in Afghanistan: I support the reason for invading and current operations. I feel that there is no simple solution and that the US should stay there until Afghanistan is stable enough to support itself, even if this takes decades. Also, there should be far more cooperation with Pakistan so we can conduct operations together so that the Taliban and Al Queda can't just cross the border to escape the independent operations of the coalition and Pakistan. Marijuana: Don't use but don't consider it a drug either, should be 100% legal with only an age restriction Firearms: All small arms short of fully automatic weapons should be legal though to hold them I think a firearms education/competance course should be taken as well Gay Marriage: sure, it's not for me but I see no reason to oppose it either, think the government should have nothing to do with marriage Gay adoption: I'd rather not see homosexuals adopt because I feel those children will be raised 'incorrectly' though I wouldn't want laws to oppose it Religion in schools: religion should be out of schools but if kids want to pray before eating, wear a scarf (if school has no uniform/dress code such as an exercise uniform; there should be no excuse to have a different uniform for PE based on religion) then they should be able to. Prayer would not, however be an excuse to get out of class or to disrupt class, prayer during recess or meals sure but during class hours no. Creationism should not be taught as alternate theory to evolution. Death penalty: If there is 100% certainy of guilt and the criminal has admited to the crime and consents to death as well. Additionally, I feel that lethal injection and all that is a waste of time, hanging should be the way to go.
03-17-2008, 05:47
naut
Re: Political Leanings of Members
My Political Profile
Country of Residence: Australia Nationality: British/Australian (Dual-Citizenship) Political Compass Result: Economic Left/Right: -3.25 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.92 Where do you put yourself on the political spectrum: Libertarian Do you identify yourself with a certain political grouping: No Do you identify yourself with a certain political party: Greens Religion: Agnostic/Canaanite. I believe there could be a Yahweh. I have a belief based heavily on ancient Jewish tradition of Wisdom, Goodness and Kindness --- but not later Jewish tradition borrowed from the Greeks of a Heaven and Hell. Essentially the here and now, the absurd and the moral.
Abortion: Legal in all cases, but adoption/counselling should be considered and offered as an alternative. War in Iraq: Deserves a proper solution. War in Afghanistan: Fighting there is not worth the cost, both in lives or taxpayers money. Marijuana: Legalise and regulate. Firearms: Only if properly controlled. Gay Marriage: Yes. Gay adoption: Yes, in terms of stable, loving parents. Religion in schools: No indoctrination, but students should be given a broad idea of many religions so as to gain the knowledge to choose for themselves. Some teaching needs to be provided, as if students/children/people are ignorant they are open to exploitation or manipulation. Death penalty: No. European Union: For in theory, though the legislation needs to be more transparent and the whole structure needs a re-think. I can't see a strong Europe being bad for its member nations in an economic sense. Immigration is a major issue that I'd like to be resolved. Israel: Slightly Pro-Palestinian. Anti-extremist on both sides.
03-17-2008, 06:43
Crazed Rabbit
Re: Political Leanings of Members
Country of Residence: USA Nationality: American Political Compass Result: Economic Left/Right: 8.88 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 1.08 Where do you put yourself on the political spectrum: Free market, great individual freedom Do you indentify yourself with a certain political grouping (socialist, neocon, etc): Libertarian Do you indentify yourself with a certain political party: Republican, somewhat reluctantly Religion: Roman Catholic
Abortion: No. War in Iraq: Sigh, stupid in hindsight, but we have to fix the mess we made. War In Afghanistan: For. A no-brainer, really. Marijuana: Decriminalized. Firearms: Besides laws against ownership by violent felons and the insane, I'm basically in favor of no restrictions on small arms (small pistols to all manner of automatic weapons) being owned or carried. To be armed is to be free. Gay Marriage: Against completely. Gay adoption: Against completely. Religion in schools: Not sure exactly, but religious schools should be allowed and funded through vouchers, and religion in public schools should not be prevented. Death penalty: For. Scientifically proven to deter criminals and save lives! European Union: For a totalitarian super state that exercises complete control over all European's lives and restricts economic competitiveness, so America doesn't have another economic rival. One rival's enough, thank you.
03-17-2008, 10:54
Viking
Re: Political Leanings of Members
Country of Residence: Norway Nationality:Norwegian Political Compass Result: Economic Left/Right: -1.50 - Social Libertarian/Authoritarian:-5.28 Where do you put yourself on the political spectrum: centre Do you identify yourself with a certain political grouping (socialist, neocon, etc): in no way Do you identify yourself with a certain political party: no Religion: atheist
Abortion: pro War in Afghanistan: I am all for direct self defence; but when civilians in one country are getting killed to save civilians in another country, whether unintentional or not, the moral purpose is defeated. War in Iraq: useless Marijuana: no greater reason to ban marijuana than cigarettes Firearms: pro shotguns and non-automatic rifles, pistols Gay Marriage: pro civil, indifferent to religious Gay adoption: inclined to be pro Religion in schools: not as an independent subject Death penalty: can never be justified European Union: a unified Europe/world is all well and good, but I do not know enough about the union to take a stance.
03-17-2008, 11:20
Quirinus
Re: Political Leanings of Members
Country of Residence:Malaysia Nationality:Malaysian (ethnic Chinese) Political Compass Result: Economic Left/Right: -1.75 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.10 https://i118.photobucket.com/albums/...pcgraphpng.png
Where do you put yourself on the political spectrum:Moderate left-ish Do you indentify yourself with a certain political grouping (socialist, neocon, etc):"social libertarian" is the closest approximation Do you indentify yourself with a certain political party:Democratic Action Party (DAP) Religion: Atheist
Abortion:Completely up to the mother. Definitely against illegalising it. War in Iraq:Illegal invasion. Against invasion then, against occupation now. Leave them alone. It's their country. Marijuana:Legalise it. Don't see how it's worse than tobacco or alcohol, except that the latter two are sanctioned by tradition. Firearms:Against. In my view it is distinct from freedom of speech and otehr civil liberties-- it is not an inherent right. May be granted by special permit, but it is a privilege, not a right. Gay Marriage:For. There shouldn't even be a differentiation between the status of heterosexual and homosexual marriage. Gay adoption:For. See above. Religion in schools:Against. As in politics, education should be completely secular. Religion is a private matter, and is none of the state's business. Death penalty:Against, out of principle. Aside from the fact that it is a barbaric practice, it is my belief that nobody is beyond redemption.
03-17-2008, 16:03
Rhyfelwyr
Re: Political Leanings of Members
Country of Residence: United Kingdom (Scotland some might say) Nationality: British (maybe Scottish - undecided, although part Northern Irish) Political Compass Result:
Economic Left/Right: -8.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 1.08
Where do you put yourself on the political spectrum: Mid-far left Do you indentify yourself with a certain political grouping (socialist, neocon, etc): No Do you indentify yourself with a certain political party: No, don't know what to make of the SNP, hate New Labour/Conservatives Religion: Presbyterian
Abortion: Against, never understood liberal support for it. It is murder. War in Iraq: Against on the whole, although now we're committed we have to clear it up. Marijuana: Should not be legalised, big crack down on drugs needed. Firearms: Against, no need for it these days. Or at least should be extrememly difficult to obtain. Gay Marriage: Against. An absolute farce trying to bring in the church. Less hostile to civil partnerships, though I still really don't like the idea. Gay adoption: Very strongly against, just plain wrong for the child. Can't emphasise this point enough. It is just so wrong. Religion in schools: Schools should be secular and not cater to individual religions. Especially against sectarian schooling systems. Like Scottish Catholic/Non-denomination system. Death penalty: For. The less money spent on criminals (I mean serious offenders), the more can be spent on improving life for innocent people. It's not that I want to punish them (guillotine is the way to go, not cruel ways as in USA), its just that others shouldn't suffer further because of them.
03-17-2008, 16:17
Whacker
Re: Political Leanings of Members
Country of Residence: USA Nationality: US Mutt (Irish/German mostly) Political Compass Result:
Economic Left/Right: -3ish
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5ish
(Don't remember exact numbers)
Where do you put yourself on the political spectrum: Leftish Libertarian, pretty much where I ended up Do you indentify yourself with a certain political grouping (socialist, neocon, etc): Nope Do you indentify yourself with a certain political party: No Religion: Atheist agnostic.
Abortion: Legal first 3 months, victim of rape up to 6ish, life in danger or any valid medical reason any time. War in Iraq: Against from the start and still am. The situation is not fixable, so we need to set some hard dates and get out, sooner than later. Marijuana: I don't really care if people want to do it at home, but as an employer I want to be able to discriminate against users (it does make you slower folks, that's a fact). Firearms: Absolutely yes. Restrictions for criminal offenders or people with medical mental instability/issues. Gay Marriage: Fully support. Marriage, union, don't care what you call it. Homosexual couples deserve the exact same legal rights and standing as everyone else. I don't care what religious institutions think or how they handle it, that's not a government issue. Gay adoption: Absolutely. There is zero proof of any kind of harm to a child's development from this. Religion in schools: Absolutely against. School is education, dogma is a personal matter to be handled by the parents at home. Obviously schools associated with a religious institution are an exception. Death penalty: Yes, with reservations. I think the justice (and overall legal) system needs an overhaul in certain areas and aspects.
Edit - Few clarifications
03-17-2008, 16:32
Innocentius
Re: Political Leanings of Members
Country of Residence: Sweden Nationality: Swedish Political Compass Result: Economic Left/Right: -2.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.97 Where do you put yourself on the political spectrum: Totalitarian Do you indentify yourself with a certain political grouping (socialist, neocon, etc): It used to be socialism, but now I'm more of a nihilist, misanthrope, fascist, totalitarian and so forth. I hold anarchism (i.e. revolution) as a necessary mean to achieve the greater goals though. Do you indentify yourself with a certain political party: No Religion: Atheist
Abortion: Brings less people to the world. Pro. War in Iraq: All wars serve the greater purpose, whatever their political or economic motive may be, so pro. Marijuana: Pro. Firearms: Against (not in the hands of citizens). Gay Marriage: Pro. Gay adoption: Pro. Religion in schools: Against. Death penalty: Pro.
03-17-2008, 16:34
TinCow
Re: Political Leanings of Members
Country of Residence: USA Nationality: USA & UK Political Compass Result:
Economic Left/Right: -0.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.54 Where do you put yourself on the political spectrum: Economic conservative, Social liberal Do you identify yourself with a certain political grouping (socialist, neocon, etc): Liberal Do you identify yourself with a certain political party: No, though I tend to vote Democrat Religion: Raised as Reform Judaism. Currently non-defined spiritualist/humanist.
Abortion: Legal for all reasons in 1st trimester. Legal at all times for health of the mother. Other cases left up to the states/community to decide. War in Iraq: Opposed from the beginning and want withdrawal immediately. Marijuana: Legalize it Firearms: More thorough background checks and longer waiting periods, but no absolute restrictions on ownership Gay Marriage: In favor Gay adoption: In favor Religion in schools: Not in favor Death penalty: Theoretically in favor, practically opposed. I believe death is a worthy punishment for some crimes. However I also believe the current US system has a very high degree of error which risks execution of innocents, which I consider to be completely unacceptable. Unless the justice system can come up with a fool-proof system to guarantee that innocent people are not executed, I believe the death penalty should be abolished.
03-17-2008, 17:30
Geoffrey S
Re: Political Leanings of Members
Country of Residence: Netherlands Nationality: British Political Compass Result: Economic Left/Right: 3.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.56
(I dislike that test and don't feel it reflects my views) Where do you put yourself on the political spectrum: Nowhere in particular. Do you indentify yourself with a certain political grouping (socialist, neocon, etc): No. Do you indentify yourself with a certain political party: No. Religion: Agnostic.
Abortion: Against in all cases except life-threatening to the mother. In addition, better adoptions system and better information/options on contraceptives. War in Iraq: Against the invasion, certainly since there were far more pressing issues left to sort out in Afghanistan. For remaining there in the absence of better alternatives. Marijuana: Legalize, tax. Firearms: Legalize, with required registration, heavy taxes and ban on handguns. Gay Marriage: Against. Civil union, I can live with. Gay adoption: Against, but mainly because the whole adoption system needs a long, good look-in. Religion in schools: Should be allowed, in the broad sense of giving students an overview. No preaching in the class. Death penalty: For, as an extremely visible exception in the very worst and most clear-cut of cases.
03-17-2008, 17:41
Ronin
Re: Political Leanings of Members
Country of Residence: Portugal
Nationality: Portuguese
Political Compass Result:
Economic Left/Right: -3.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.54
Where do you put yourself on the political spectrum: Moderate (
Do you identify yourself with a certain political grouping (socialist, neocon, etc): Liberal
Do you identify yourself with a certain political party: No...
Religion: Raised non-practicing Catholic, currently Atheist/Apatheist
Abortion: Legal for all reasons in 1st trimester. Legal at all times for health of the mother, rape, etc.
War in Iraq: Completely opposed to it before it happened, am for gradual withdrawal as soon as the country is stable, Bush and company should be brought up on charges for it.
Marijuana: legalize it...
Firearms: Hunting and target shooting weapons are legal, all other firearms especially concealable and/or military category firearms should be illegal for anyone expect police, army.
Gay Marriage: Gay people should have the same rights as straight people concerning civil marriage, religious marriage is a matter for each individual religion to decide.
Gay adoption: Undecided...pending towards allowing it.
Religion in schools: The only reference to religion in school should be in the context of history class, if people want their children religiously indoctrinated send them to your local church/temple/whatever, school is a place of reason and logic.
Death penalty: Abolish it, I believe that a society has no right to condemn someone to be put to death if they are already in jail and are thus no danger to anyone, if society executes a criminal for his crimes we are no better than him.
I am whoever for the issuing of life prison sentences with forced labour for major crimes, and for a more aggressive use of force by police forces, by this I include the use of lethal force against suspects that violently resist arrest and/or try to attack a police officer and/or take hostages and/or to protect the lives of innocent bystanders.
03-17-2008, 17:58
Goofball
Re: Political Leanings of Members
Country of Residence: Canada Nationality: Canadian Political Compass Result: Economic Left/Right: 1.12 - Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.18 Where do you put yourself on the political spectrum: I typically vote Conservative because I want sound fiscal and economic policy, so I hold my nose while I cast my vote and hope they don't meddle too much with social issues. Do you indentify yourself with a certain political grouping (socialist, neocon, etc): Nope Do you indentify yourself with a certain political party: No Religion: Lapsed Roman Catholic, now agnostic. Abortion: Legal in first trimester for any reason (although I do struggle with that, and it pains me). After that illegal unless serious health risk to mother. Rape is no excuse for abortion after first trimester. War in Iraq: Against it from the start. But now that you've gone and done it, I believe the American people have a debt of shame to the Iraqis. Marijuana: Should be legal, regulated, and taxed. Firearms: Long guns (excluding assault weapons) should be legal and available to anybody over the age of majority who has taken a safety course and has no criminal record. No need to register the guns. Handguns should be illegal to all. Automatic 5-year jail-term for anyone caught with a handgun. Automatic life sentence with no chance of release ever for anybody who commits a crime using any kind of gun. Gay Marriage: In favor gay civil unions. Gay adoption: Should be allowed. Religion in schools: Should be taught only as an elective. Death penalty: Doesn't work, so get rid of it.
The Political Compass
Economic Left/Right: 1.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.18
Country of Residence: United States of America Nationality: United States of American Political Compass Result: Economic Left/Right: -0.75 - Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.85 Where do you put yourself on the political spectrum: Socially liberal, fiscal conservative. Do you indentify yourself with a certain political grouping (socialist, neocon, etc): Libertarian Do you indentify yourself with a certain political party: Lapsed Republican Religion: Lapsed Protestant Abortion: I can't give birth, so I shouldn't really have a say in the matter. War in Iraq: Hole in the desert in which to throw soldiers' lives and taxpayer dollars. Marijuana: Don't smoke it, but it should be legal. Firearms: Illegal for felons and mental patients, legal for everyone else, stronger enforcement of existing laws necessary. Gay Marriage: Don't really care, why not? Gay adoption: Best dressed baby evar! :2thumbsup: Religion in schools: Religion has no place in public schools, go back to the original pledge of allegiance so nobody has an excuse not to say it. Death penalty: Yes, but more fairly sentenced across the social landscape.
03-17-2008, 18:45
Joeokar
Re: Political Leanings of Members
Country of Residence: USA
Nationality: Spain/Scottish/German (Pure American mutt)
Political Compass Result: Economic Left/Right: 7.00 -Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.49
Where do you put yourself on the political spectrum: Classical Liberal
Do you indentify yourself with a certain political grouping (socialist, neocon, etc): Libertarian
Do you indentify yourself with a certain political party: Republican for now
Religion: Mormon
Abortion: only very early pregnancies for rape
War in Iraq: Against bring my brother back home and dont send my sister
Marijuana: Make its legal the states can tax it if the people of that state wish it
Firearms: yes
Gay Marriage: Dont care
Gay adoption: Dont care
Religion in schools: should be up to the local school board and community
Death penalty: only for high treason
03-17-2008, 19:05
Tribesman
Re: Political Leanings of Members
Country of Residence:Ireland Nationality: several Political Compass Result:west Where do you put yourself on the political spectrum:the colouful end
Do you indentify yourself with a certain political grouping (socialist, neocon, etc): No Do you indentify yourself with a certain political party: definately not Religion:yes Abortion: none of my business , ask a woman . War in Iraq::laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: Marijuana:why not Firearms: very very strict control Gay Marriage: who cares Gay adoption: why not Religion in schools:no Death penalty: no
03-17-2008, 21:47
Banquo's Ghost
Re: Political Leanings of Members
Country of Residence: Republic of Ireland, the United Kingdom and occasionally France. Nationality: Irish/British dual Political Compass Result: Economic Left/Right: -3.12 - Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.90 Where do you put yourself on the political spectrum: Rather more conservative and libertarian than the compass predicts - apparently dislike of corporate monopolism and corruption makes one a leftie.. Do you indentify yourself with a certain political grouping (socialist, neocon, etc): Human rights advocacy Do you indentify yourself with a certain political party: No Religion: Born Roman Catholic, by tradition so identified, by belief more a Camusian.
Abortion: Completely pro-choice prior to 12 weeks - that means, there ought to be a great deal of effort to provide a real, supported and informed choice for birth and adoption too. War in Iraq: I refer the honourable gentlemen to the answer my countryman gave earlier :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: Marijuana: In favour of legalisation. Firearms: For my own country, extremely tight control. Everyone else can make up their own minds. Gay Marriage: I have sympathy with the noble Don Corleone's position - not marriage per se, but civil partnerships with exactly similar legal benefits. Gay adoption: Adoption into a loving home is far better than abortion. Very supportive of adoption into same-sex relationships. Religion in schools: Under no circumstances. Death penalty: Under no circumstances. However, I am fully supportive of life without possibility of parole, including hard labour.
03-17-2008, 21:53
Ianofsmeg16
Re: Political Leanings of Members
Country of Residence: The Isle of Man
Nationality: English
Political Compass Result:
Economic Left/Right: 2.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.92
Where do you put yourself on the political spectrum: I think I'm right
Do you indentify yourself with a certain political grouping (socialist, neocon, etc): Monarchist
Do you indentify yourself with a certain political party: no not really
Religion: Christian
Abortion: Pro-choice
War in Iraq: I'm for it, the war's gotten out of hand now and we should pull out but at the start it was done with the best intentions
Marijuana: Against it, why do it? perpously mess yourself up?
Firearms: For it, with regulations...strict regulations
Gay Marriage: For
Gay adoption: For
Religion in schools: Religious Studies should be taught to provide an education of other cultures, aswell as your own
Death penalty: for it, there are some inexcusable crimes.
03-17-2008, 23:07
woad&fangs
Re: Political Leanings of Members
Country of Residence: Historic Union of Soviet American Republics Nationality: American Political Compass Result:
Economic Left/Right: -4.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.15 Where do you put yourself on the political spectrum: Socially Liberal/ economically moderate Do you indentify yourself with a certain political grouping (socialist, neocon, etc): No Do you indentify yourself with a certain political party: No. The lack of a Libertarian leaning, fiscally responsible, revolutionary, parliamentarian monarchist party causes me concern. Religion: I believe in an afterlife because I’m afraid of nothingness after death but I don’t care where I end up so I pretty much have no religion. Abortion: Legal for up to 12 weeks(first measurable signs of brain activity), only if the women’s life is in danger during the 2nd and 3rd trimester. War in Iraq: no comment Afghanistan One of the few things Bush did right. I hope we continue to support them. Marijuana: I don’t see it as any worse than cigarettes or alcohol so I believe it should be legalized. However, I’d never use it myself. Firearms: The second amendment allows the states to establish militias. So gun control should be a state by state issue. At least, that’s how I interpret it. I’m a hunter so I don’t want to see more gun control. Gay Marriage: 100% Yes, I can’t see any non-religious reason to not allow it and the government shouldn’t be forbidding it based on a religious reason. Gay adoption: The rules should be the same as the rules for straight people. Religion in schools: Evolution works, get over it. Ditto for carbon dating. Death penalty: Should remain as an option but should only rarely be used
03-17-2008, 23:24
JR-
Re: Political Leanings of Members
My Political Profile
Country of Residence: UK Nationality: (nationality is your current citizenship) British Political Compass Result: Economic Right - Social Libertarian Where do you put yourself on the political spectrum: right / lib Do you indentify yourself with a certain political grouping: anti-EU (pro-europe) Do you indentify yourself with a certain political party: Conservative Religion: none (agnostic)
Abortion: pro yes (16 weeks - safe side of recent science) War in Iraq: yes (tho that requires not making peoples lives worse) Marijuana: yes Firearms: yes (registered, for people of sound character) Gay Marriage: yes (but i want financial benefits for hetero marriage) Gay adoption: yes (but as an exception, not the rule) Religion in schools: yes (in religious schools only) Death penalty: yes European Union: A federal union is fine for the continent if that's what they want, but not for the UK, and i strongly believe greater civil/military strife will result from trying to artificially homogenise so many wildly different nations. A free trade zone with harmonisation where desired would be a good result. Global Warming: Yes it is happening anyway as a natural phenomenon, and yes some portion is anthropogenic, but as yet the science is way too flakey to dedicate a large portion of the worlds future economic potential to what may turn out to be a case of Canutes tides. Adapt or die!
Country of Residence: Argentina
Nationality: Argentinina
Political Compass Result: Economic Left/Right: -2.12 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.08
Where do you put yourself on the political spectrum: Where I fit, I belong there.
Do you indentify yourself with a certain political grouping : No
Do you indentify yourself with a certain political party: We do not have political parties, they were destroyed inside by the local gov.
Religion: Christian
Abortion: Only in cases the woman can die, or in some special case
War in Iraq: I do not see the point of War of Irak. I do not like it, and I never heard a good reason.
Marijuana: I do not approve it, but if you want to consume it, then go ahead.
Firearms: I approve it when its need, when people are tired of being stole
Gay Marriage: No way.
Gay adoption: Worse.
Religion in schools: Yes.
Death penalty: Looks like a good idea, but no. They have to suffer in life, not dead.
03-18-2008, 00:42
GeneralHankerchief
Re: Political Leanings of Members
Country of Residence: USA Nationality: American (ancestors were, in order, German, Polish, French, Irish) Political Compass Result: Economic Left/Right: 4.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 2.21 Where do you put yourself on the political spectrum: Conservative libertarian. Do you indentify yourself with a certain political grouping (socialist, neocon, etc): No. Do you indentify yourself with a certain political party: No. Religion: Roman Catholic.
Abortion: Against, unless in extreme situations. War in Iraq: Well, we're in there now... War in Afghanistan: Obviously important. Stay in there until the Taliban is squashed like a bug and bin Laden is caught. Marijuana: Legalize and regulate. Firearms: Keep it the way it is. Gay Marriage: No opinion. Gay adoption: No opinion. Religion in schools: Against. This includes blatant atheism. Death penalty: For. European Union: I like the Euro, but that's as far as it should go.
03-18-2008, 02:10
Xiahou
Re: Political Leanings of Members
Country of Residence: US
Nationality: US
Political Compass Result: Economic Left/Right: 7.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 1.08
Where do you put yourself on the political spectrum: Right
Do you indentify yourself with a certain political grouping (socialist, neocon, etc): conservative
Do you indentify yourself with a certain political party: Republican
Religion: Roman Catholic
Abortion: No
War in Iraq: Yes
Marijuana: No
Firearms: Yes
Gay Marriage: No
Gay adoption: No
Religion in schools: Sure
Death penalty: Yes
03-18-2008, 06:06
Incongruous
Re: Political Leanings of Members
Country of Residence: New Zealand
Nationality: English/British but also a New Zealand and Hungarian Citizen.
Political Compass Result: Economic Left/Right: -5.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.69
Where do you put yourself on the political spectrum: socially liberal, anti-capitalist
Do you indentify yourself with a certain political grouping (socialist, neocon, etc):No
Do you indentify yourself with a certain political party:Republican parties (British ones)
Religion:Roman Catholic
Abortion:1st Trimester, after that only on life threatening conditions.
War in Iraq:Stupid and poorly planned, but should be fought to the end now.
Marijuana:Illegal, excepet for medicinal purposes.
Firearms:Illegal.
Gay Marriage:As long as it is not foistered upon the Church
Gay adoption:Same standards that are aplied to all families.
Religion in schools:I feel that an understanding of all religions is neded in all schools.
Death penalty:Against, in every form.
03-18-2008, 11:53
Sarmatian
Re: Political Leanings of Members
Country of residence: Serbia Nationality: Serbian Political Compass Result: Economic Left/Right: -3.50 - Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.38 Where do you put yourself on the political spectrum: Libertarian Do you indentify yourself with a certain political grouping (socialist, neocon, etc): No Do you indentify yourself with a certain political party: No Religion: Serbian Orthodox, but not very religious.
Abortion: Should be allowed early in the pregnancy and for health reasons or rape War in Iraq: Against from the start and still very much so Marijuana: Allowed but strictly controlled Firearms: Very strict control Gay marriage: Against at the moment Gay adoption: Against. Society still doesn't accept gay people, I'm not sure it's kids can be raised properly in that enviroment. Religion in schools: Shouldn't be compulsory Death penalty: Generally against European Union: At present I'm not very keen on it, partly due to treatment of my country but united Europe, standing on its own as an idea does appeal to me
03-18-2008, 12:23
econ21
Re: Political Leanings of Members
Country of Residence: UK
Nationality: British
Political Compass Result: Economic Left/Right: - 1.50 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: - 3.74
Where do you put yourself on the political spectrum: Left liberal
Do you indentify yourself with a certain political grouping (socialist, neocon, etc): No
Do you identify yourself with a certain political party: UK Labour Party
Religion: Atheist
Abortion: Legal in 1st trimester or for health of woman
War in Iraq: Against from beginning; troops out now.
Marijuana: Legalise
Firearms: Undecided
Gay Marriage: OK
Gay adoption: OK
Religion in schools: Religious education - with equal respect for major world religions and agnosticism/atheism - is desirable. Queasy about religious worship in state funded schools or selection by religion even in private schools.
Death penalty: Against
03-18-2008, 17:01
Fragony
Re: Political Leanings of Members
My Political Profile
Country of Residence: The Netherlands Nationality: Dutch Political Compass Result: Too USA-minded Where do you put yourself on the political spectrum: far-right Do you indentify yourself with a certain political grouping: nationalists Do you indentify yourself with a certain political party: no Religion: no Abortion: no, but there can be special circumstances War in Iraq: based on what I know, yes Marijuana: don't care Firearms: yes Gay Marriage: no Gay adoption: no Religion in schools: in public schools no Death penalty: yes
03-18-2008, 18:12
Tachikaze
Re: Political Leanings of Members
Country of Residence: USA Nationality: USA Political Compass Result: Economic Left/Right: -7.50 - Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.38. I'll hang out with JAG in the lower left corner. Where do you put yourself on the political spectrum: For an American, I'm far left. I'm against a completely free market and prefer socialism with elements of capitalism at the low end. Do you indentify yourself with a certain political grouping (socialist, neocon, etc): Rather socialist and liberal (in the US sense); strong environmentalist Do you indentify yourself with a certain political party: Green Party Beliefs ("Religion"): agnostic or atheist (don't care), Buddhist, Taoist Abortion: Legal early, don't want to write about the specifics right now. War in Iraq: Against it from the days of George I; a crime against the Iraqi people; a crime against the US and its people; a crime against humanity. Marijuana: Should have the same status as alcohol and tobacco. Firearms: Target guns only, with low-caliber ammunition only suitable for paper targets. Although I'm not against hunting, let hunters use bows. Gay Marriage: Same status as heterosexual marriage. Gay adoption: Same status as heterosexual adoption. Religion in schools: Ideally, description and analysis of all major religions, right down to Rastafarianism, in a completely objective and balanced way, in order of their founding. Since I think this is probably an impossibility in US schools, perhaps they should just teach their impact on history, again as balanced as possible. Death penalty: Useless; additionally, I'm against it on moral grounds.
03-18-2008, 18:37
Csargo
Re: Political Leanings of Members
Country of Residence:USA Nationality: US Political Compass Result: Economic Left/Right: -1.62 - Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.44 Where do you put yourself on the political spectrum: Nowhere Do you indentify yourself with a certain political grouping (socialist, neocon, etc): No Do you indentify yourself with a certain political party: No Religion: Agnostic
Abortion: Yes, in the first trimester, and in cases where the mother's life is at risk War in Iraq: Against it Marijuana: Legalize Firearms: Restrictions for criminal offenders or people with mental instability/issues. Gay Marriage: For Gay adoption: For Religion in schools: No religion in schools. Death penalty: For
03-18-2008, 18:53
Warmaster Horus
Re: Political Leanings of Members
Country of Residence: France
Nationality: Franco-Canadian
Political Compass Result: Economic Left/Right: - -4.38 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.64 (is it me or are there more bottom left quadrant people 'round here?)
Where do you put yourself on the political spectrum: In France, a bit of a Leftist, but I support some Right-wing ideas
Do you indentify yourself with a certain political grouping (socialist, neocon, etc): Socialist, liberal.
Do you indentify yourself with a certain political party: Not really. Bayrou's MoDem, I guess, but not really.
Religion: Deist, but only to explain the creation of the universe. Beyond that point, Atheist.
Abortion: Should be illegal. After all, if she doesn't want the kid, she can put him up for adoption. If the woman can die, though... legal.
War in Iraq: No.
Marijuana: Should be legal, because if it's illegal, there'll still be traffic. Prohibition doesn't work, the 30's taught us that!
Firearms: Legalize and regulate: like Marijuana.
Gay Marriage: Legal.
Gay adoption: Legal.
Religion in schools: Either only in school clubs; or if part of curriculum, completely objective, taking every religion, explaining their impact, etc.
Death penalty: In case of multiple offenses (depending on the offense, of course; if it's a serial killer we're talking about... )
03-19-2008, 22:50
rory_20_uk
Re: Political Leanings of Members
Country of Residence: England
Nationality: English
Political Compass Result: Economic Left/Right: - Social Libertarian/Authoritarian:
Economic Left/Right: 2.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.28
Where do you put yourself on the political spectrum: Right of centre, small government.
Do you identify yourself with a certain political grouping: No. My views alter a lot less than those of political parties.
Do you identify yourself with a certain political party: All chase votes rather than have core beliefs
Religion: Agnostic
Abortion: 1st trimester without exception, then damn good medical reasons.
War in Iraq: No place for the UK to be.
Marijuana: Better legal and taxed, better than alcohol
Firearms: why?
Gay Marriage: Don't care
Gay adoption: Sure, why not? What makes hetros great parents all the time?
Religion in schools: Theology classes = good, indoctrination classes = bad
Death penalty: In principle great idea. Lapses in legal system only reason for pause.
03-19-2008, 23:26
gibsonsg91921
Re: Political Leanings of Members
Country of Residence: USA
Nationality: USA
Political Compass Result: Economic Left-Right: 3.25 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.90
Where do you put yourself on the political spectrum: Libertarian
Do you indentify yourself with a certain political grouping (socialist, neocon, etc):Libertarian
Do you indentify yourself with a certain political party: Libertarian
Religion: Roman Catholic
Abortion: this issue is dead to me. Roe v. Wade will never be overturned, but I think it's morally wrong.
War in Iraq: are there still troops there?
Marijuana: legalize all drugs, just don't expect me to pay increased insurance premiums for drug-related medical problems. they shouldn't be covered by insurance.
Firearms: legal for hunting and self-defense. just promise me you aren't crazy
Gay Marriage: do it
Gay adoption: go for it
Religion in schools: i don't want some idiot teacher brainwashing my kids. i want to make my children aware of my beliefs and be their moral educator. teachers should just teach science and stuff
Death penalty: i hit agree on the quiz, but i don't know really. i'd rather have killers be dead and not have to think about it. i don't think about the philosophical consequences
03-19-2008, 23:43
Beirut
Re: Political Leanings of Members
Country of Residence: :canada: Nationality: :canada: Political Compass Result: Economic Left/Right: -5.82 - Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 0.82 Where do you put yourself on the political spectrum: Liberal/Socialist. Strong on human and civil rights. Strong on national defence. Do you indentify yourself with a certain political grouping (socialist, neocon, etc): Liberal. Do you indentify yourself with a certain political party: Mostly Liberal party of Canada. Religion: Very spiritual, bit o' everything. Abortion: A woman has complete control over her body. Big problems with late term abortions, though. War in Iraq: Stupid. Lie. Illegal. Criminal. Murder. Theft. Waste. Marijuana: Legalize it! Firearms: All guns at home. No big problems with specific bans on certain types of weapons. Anyone caught with an illegal handgun or carrying any handgun on their person or in their car should face a mandatory minimum one-year hard labour. Gay Marriage: 50/50. Gay adoption: No. Religion in schools: Only as a part of world history. Death penalty: Only if they're guilty. Which means no, because the police and the judicial system cannot be trusted.
03-20-2008, 02:14
TevashSzat
Re: Political Leanings of Members
Country of Residence: United States Nationality: People's Republic of China Political Compass Result: Economic Left/Right:-5.75 - Social -Libertarian/Authoritarian:-.51 Where do you put yourself on the political spectrum: Moderate leaning left Do you indentify yourself with a certain political grouping No Do you indentify yourself with a certain political party: Democrats Religion: Atheist
Abortion: Generally allowed unless it is abused for things like not using contraception War in Iraq: Mistake from the start Marijuana: Keep illegal Firearms: Ban them all except for police/military Gay Marriage: Okay for me Gay adoption: Nothing I would oppose to Religion in schools:Definately not Death penalty: Allow it, and lots of it
03-20-2008, 09:59
HoreTore
Re: Political Leanings of Members
Country of Residence: Norway Nationality: Norwegian Political Compass Result: Economic Left/Right: -9.12
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.18 Where do you put yourself on the political spectrum: Leftie Do you indentify yourself with a certain political grouping (socialist, neocon, etc): Socialist. Do you indentify yourself with a certain political party: Member of SV(Socialist left). Religion: Agnostic.
Abortion: Yup. The earlier it is, the better it is for the woman, which would be the only reason I can support time limits on it. War in Iraq: Idiots. Marijuana: Couldn't care. Firearms: No. Gay Marriage: Yes. Gay adoption: Yes. Religion in schools: Only as history, with no preferential religion. Death penalty: No.
03-22-2008, 00:48
Evil_Maniac From Mars
Re: Political Leanings of Members
I'm going to violate my own "no post" rule and keep bumping this thread until the mods reply to my sticky request.
Please no other posts, besides profiles of course. Thanks. I'll ask for my own bump posts to be removed if a sticky is granted. ~:)
03-24-2008, 18:46
Omanes Alexandrapolites
Re: Political Leanings of Members
Country of residence: United Kingdom (England) Nationality: British (English) Political Compass Result: Economic Left/Right: -2.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.46 Where do you put yourself on the political spectrum: Centrist Do you identify yourself with a certain political grouping (socialist, neocon, etc): Social Liberalism, Civic (Liberal) Nationalism, pro-Europe (with reservations) Do you identify yourself with a certain political party: Liberal Democrats usually. I will never consider voting Labour while it repeatedly represses our freedoms and, although I perhaps do prefer the conservatives, my local MP is part of the hard-line right-wing faction which I do not wish to represent me in parliament. Religion: Atheist
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Abortion: I really don't like the idea of abortion at all. This is the only large bit of "old thinking", as I'm going to call it, left in me. I do honestly feel it is comparable to murder, since the baby did not choose to die. As a result I would only fully support it when the mother's life and long term physical heath is threatened. Otherwise, although legal up to the point where the baby has a semi-functional nervous system, adoption should be heavily stressed as a humane alternative and free contraceptives as a method of the prevention of pregnancy.
War in Iraq: I was originally in favour at the outset - less because of the WMDs and more because of the dictatorial regime. Although now Iraq is liberated and is slowly transitioning towards democracy, whether it will make it fully is yet to be seen, the critical question is whether the instability, the suffering and loss of life is truly worth the result. Maybe it will be in the future, but for now, I don't feel that it is.
War in Afghanistan: I was certainly for this attack originally, more so than the attack on Iraq. We've liberated a country from a terrorist regime more oppressive than that of Stalin's Russia, but, once again, is the price of human life truly worth the result? Right now many of the achievements do outweigh the costs, but we still haven't got Osama and terrorist groups are still active across the entire region.
Marijuana: Why not? It's a simple matter of the freedom of choice. As well as this less money would be spent on policing and more money would be focused on "real" serious crime. It should be highly taxed, with taxes being used on rehabilitation and education, and banned from being smoked in any public places.
Firearms: Legal, but very strictly controlled under the methods that currently exist under British gun regulations system.
Gay marriage: Strong yes from me - I don't see why not - every argument put forth against such proposals is at best simply pathetic and at worst actually laughable. I would not want to force recognition of these relationships upon any religious body though - it's a shame they won't embrace modern liberal principles, but we should let them do as they please in all regards.
Gay adoption: Again a very strong yes, with the same rules applying to straights. It has been shown that gays can provide an as good environment for raising children as straight adopters and I do not see why they should be excluded from this privilege.
Religion in schools: Religious teaching, yes, although only for educational purposes and to drive understanding and acceptance. Religious memorabilia, also a yes from me as long as it is safe and doesn't obstruct learning capacity - I don't see why somebody should be banned from expressing their religious beliefs in any environment. I'm not opposed to some conservative values being implemented, as long as they are not actually presented as such - I indeed think that some of the sensible** ones are needed to prevent the next generation turning into a bunch of council housed, unemployed, inefficient and lazy chavs.
**Sensible here means ones that actually have the potential to make people's lives better for them and others. Promotion of positive values such as hard work, personal financial independence, anti-unprotected sex/promiscuity, anti-drugs e.c.t. would be included. Negative/discriminatory values such as anti-gay ideas, which do quite the opposite, wouldn't be in this curriculum of "values".
Death penalty: A strong no from me. All prisoners can become better people with help and support both in and outside the prison process.
European Union: As a trading block I most certainly favour it. As a governmental force with the power over state's non-constitutional*** internal policy, most certainly not - that would, in my opinion, be a total violation of the principles of democracy - did the British vote for the Polish, the French, the Italians or the Germans in the parliament to make choices for them?**** I think not. As a governmental force with the power over states external (foreign) policy, maybe. Together as a voice we are stronger. As individuals we are powerless and easily turned into foreign policy satellite states. The UK, for example, is in my opinion a puppet of the US - something I strongly object to being. Yes we can agree on things, but the UK shouldn't be the junior partner in this coalition and should have an independent voice as opposed to just mirroring the words of Washington.
*** any constitution should be strictly limited to mention only human rights/democracy and the need for a certain level of free trade/economic conformity across the block.
**** they should be permitted to act as an advisory/funding (as sort of a "federal reserve") body on these matters. For example, in the case of funding, they could choose to fund the building of a road tunnel linking France with the UK, but it would be the choice of these two states as to whether they actually go ahead or not. Likewise they could choose to advise Poland to reform its education system, but its the choice of the state as to whether they actually listen or not.
Israel - Yes they have the right to exist, but I don't feel that an awful lot of what they have done over the past century has been remotely ethical. Settlements/the occupation in the West Bank is wrong, their refusal to come to a long lasting solution to the question of Palestine is wrong e.c.t. I do, however, believe that the attack on Hamas and the earlier attack on Hezbollah were justified - if France were throwing rockets at us over the channel I would expect my government to act violently if the other side were as morally corrupt as Hamas. Maybe not quite in such a disproportionate fashion and with more care for civilian life though (I do suppose it is hard to not damage civilians when Hamas are hiding behind them and in such a densely populated area - I'll give Israel that I suppose).
Regardless of the bloodshed, however, it's time for Israel to find a solution to these problems - the West Bank and Gaza should go to a new Palestinian state. All Israeli settlements in the West Bank should be demolished/abandoned (with the Israeli government compensating). Jerusalem could either be made into a multi-national zone with control being shared between the two states (or possibly even be commanded by the UN as was originally intended) or be split into a Palestinian East and Israeli West. The rest should stay Israeli. The process should take into account the need for various possible solutions with the Palestinians being given choices in a series of free and fair referendum questions as the foundation of the constitution of their state. These questions shouldn't just be ones that Israel approves of either - if the Palestinians want to be an Iranian style theocracy then who are we to stand in the way of democracy? The new state should have full control over its own airspace and naval space and have the right to maintain its own armed forces. A demilitarised "buffer" zone should exist between the two states administered by UN troops - a bit like the region between Syria and Israel.
A single-state solution would never work in a million years - both sides would lack a true nationality and would end up fighting for it, taking us back to square one.
03-24-2008, 20:09
Don Corleone
Re: Political Leanings of Members
My Political Profile
Country of Residence: USA
Nationality: USA
Political Compass Result: Economic Left/Right: 4.72 - Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.87
Where do you put yourself on the political spectrum:Neo-liberal
Do you identify yourself with a certain political grouping (socialist, neocon, etc): Federalist (classical Liberal)
Do you identify yourself with a certain political party: These days, no.
Religion: Roman Catholic
Abortion: Legal in the 1st-term, though alternatives should be stressed. Beyond this timeframe, it should only be available where the life or long-term physical health of the mother is in serious jeopardy. War in Iraq: I think we should have completely dismantled and defanged Al-Queda prior to initiating any new theaters. We're allowed them a moral victory by sticking around this long, and we've allowed the situation in Afghanistan to regress (and the situation in Western Pakistan to fester). I have serious misgivings about either the capability or the integrity of American intelligence agencies based on the apparent confidence level they had in the case they made prior to the invasion. Fighting the war 'on the cheap' has increased the cost, both in dollars and lives. . And we set horrible conditions for victory, a nebulous "When the Iraqis are happy..." as opposed to clear, definable objectives our armed forces could actually achieve. Other than all of that, I'm fine with it. Marijuana: Controlling supply rarely works for desired contraband. Address the demand side of the equation. Don't make criminals out of the weak-willed, we have enough of the real variety already. Firearms: Self-defense is not only a right, it's a responsibility. The overwhelming evidence is incontrovertible that restricting legal access to personal firearm ownership never reduces crime, and if anything increases the likelihood of some crimes, especially violent crimes, such as home invasion style robberies. Gay Marriage: Marriage is a religious institution and should not have been established as a legal institution in the first place. I understand the need for contractual obligations and protections, but those should be treated as legal partnerships, not by having the government acknowledge a religious institution. Therefore, civil unions for all, straight or gay. Gay adoption: I haven't seen a compelling argument against this that doesn't involve religion. I am in favor of better screening of adoptive and foster parents (and where possible, natural parents) of all stripes, straight or gay. Religion in schools: I believe in universal norms of behavior, and I believe these should be taught in schools. I do believe these universal norms are far fewer than do most people that agree with me on the existence of universal norms. Teaching these universal norms should be done, endorsing any one particular religious world view in the process should be avoided. Death Penalty: Despite my views on keeping religion out of the legal system, I actually consider myself to be quite religious. The death penalty is different from homocide in self-defense, or warfare for that matter, in that it is not necessary. In inflicting the death penalty, you have eliminated the chance for the accused to repent of their sins and find salvation, you have in affect played God, and you did it when you didn't have to. So I am opposed. It is never moral to inflict any more harm than is necessary. *This theory goes hand in hand with a deep conviction that parole and probation for violent offenders, particularly child predators, needs to be curtailed, if not eliminated. You rape and kill an 8 year old girl, I'll happily swallow the key to your jail cell.
03-27-2008, 15:39
LittleGrizzly
Re: Political Leanings of Members
Country of Residence: Wales
Nationality: English Your political compass Economic Left/Right: -6.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.64
Where do you put yourself on the political spectrum: Left wing democrat, monarchy or not Do you indentify yourself with a certain political grouping (socialist, neocon, etc): Probably Socialist if anything Do you indentify yourself with a certain political party: I Have Voted for the Liberal Democrats once or twice more of a protest vote than anything, a party that more truely represents my views would be either the green party or the coalition of socailist partys
Religion: Atheist
Abortion: Legal up to a few months not sure where to draw the line War in Afghanastan: nessecary and without the distraction of Iraq i think the place would be much further along, probably needs more troops to stamp out militant elements and large scale education of the populace is a must, probably need to stay there a good few years to help establish a stable democracy all over the country. War in Iraq: Bad idea but now we've made the mess its our responsibility to sort it out Marijuana:LEGALISE! Controlled and taxed through the state, 18 or 21 minimum age to buy Firearms: Not Available to the general public, or police in general, only highly trained police officers and armed forces Gay Marriage: allow Gays to get married but not force churches or religions to carry out any ceremonys Gay adoption: If its a choice between a loving gay couple and staying in a care home and think the adoption should go ahead, i do wonder what if any difference gay parents would make on a kid. Religion in schools: Teach the good and the bad of the major religions to create an understanding, shouldn't be used as a recruitment tool and shouldn't get involved in lessons like science Death penalty: NO NO NO! i cannot support the death penalty in todays world, if the world situation got desperarte i can imagine a situation where we could need it, but with the world as it is theres no need for the death penalty. European Union: A good idea that is flawed at the moment, just like most goverments, we need to work to sort out the flaws and continue on the path to greater intergration... Israel: Needs to stop the occupation and return to its 1967 borders. Calls to stop the violence seem awfully hollow when they just carry on what thier doing regardless, unsurprising the palestinians don't abandon terrorism given the conditions...
03-28-2008, 14:24
Furious Mental
Re: Political Leanings of Members
Nationality: Australia
Political Compass Result: -9.88/ -8
Where do you put yourself on the political spectrum:Democratic socialist
Do you indentify yourself with a certain political grouping (socialist, neocon, etc): market socialism, council communism, left Schachtmanism
Do you indentify yourself with a certain political party: Motorhead
Religion: No
Abortion: Whatever
War in Iraq: Was a stupid idea, which lead predictably to an intractable mess
Marijuana: Yes please
Firearms: Ideally everyone should have guns and we wouldn't need police and military forces. Unfortunately alot of people would leave them on the sofa or do something else stupid with them.
Gay Marriage: Again, whatever
Gay adoption: I don't understand why some people want children so badly, but whatever
Religion in schools: No
Death penalty: Some people deserve it, but no legal system can ever prove guilt to a sufficient degree to make it sensible to have as a sentencing option except perhaps in the case of an extraordinary tribunal trying a notorious state leaders or terrorists.
03-28-2008, 19:47
Mete Han
Re: Political Leanings of Members
Country of Residence: Turkey
Nationality: Turkish
Political Compass Result:
Economic Left/Right: -6,88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2,77
Where do you put yourself on the political spectrum: national socialist (I thought I was)
Do you indentify yourself with a certain political grouping (socialist, neocon, etc): no
Do you indentify yourself with a certain political party: no, I'll start my own hopefully
Religion: mostly atheist but want to convert the people to Shamanism
Abortion: only if it is done very very early
War in Iraq: big fish eats the small fish
Marijuana: yes please
Firearms: should be totally banned very dangerous in wrong hands and over here we have many people with wrong hands
Gay Marriage: no way
Gay adoption: no way
Religion in schools: no, should be banned
Death penalty: I dont't like it.
03-29-2008, 01:31
Craterus
Re: Political Leanings of Members
Country of Residence: England, United Kingdom
Nationality: British
Political Compass Result: Economic Left/Right: -1.50 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.56
Where do you put yourself on the political spectrum: Not a clue anymore. Economic: Vaguely right. Social: Left.
Do you indentify yourself with a certain political grouping (socialist, neocon, etc): No.
Do you indentify yourself with a certain political party: No.
Religion: Raised Church of England, Atheist
Abortion: Pro choice but with a 12-week limit.
War in Iraq: Well, we're there now, I feel we should stay and give it the best chance of a fresh start.
Marijuana: Hmmm, for legislation(just). Tax the drugs industry and put the money into educating people about dangers.
Firearms: Against, just plain unnecessary.
Gay Marriage: For
Gay adoption: For
Religion in schools: Definitely not.
Death penalty: Opposed, but only if I could have labour camps for the criminals. Spend the absolute minimum on keeping them alive and then have them doing productive work for the rest of society. Generating power by turning a wheel or something, eco-friendly!
EU: See EMFM.
Israel: Against.
04-02-2008, 05:49
Beren Son Of Barahi
Re: Political Leanings of Members
Country of Residence: Australia
Nationality: Australian / British Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -2.75 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.10
Where do you put yourself on the political spectrum: Centre left (non union) centre right (non-religous)
Do you indentify yourself with a certain political grouping (socialist, neocon, etc): No, i think for myself Do you indentify yourself with a certain political party: No, i think for myself
Religion: is for the feeble-minded :Atheist - i think for myself.
Abortion:Legal for the 1st trimester; really up to the woman.
War in Iraq: ill conceived and very badly executed; but if something can be done to give Iraq a long term chance of being stable and peaceful it should be explored; otherwise a staged and planned reduction of force. Marijuana: Not really that important an issue; i guess do a study and implement findings regardless of the outcomes. Firearms: Restricted and controlled, with licenses and training being compulsory for anyone having a firearm/weapon. Gay Marriage: allow Gays to get married but not force churches or religions to carry out any ceremony's. Gay adoption: sure; same rules or requirements as anyone else. Religion in schools: Teach the good and the bad of the major religions to create an understanding; teaching should be done by teachers, not religious people of any sort. Death penalty: No.
04-04-2008, 16:02
The Celtic Viking
Re: Political Leanings of Members
Country of Residence: Sweden Nationality: Swedish Political Compass Result: Economic Left/Right: -7.12, Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.23 Where do you put yourself on the political spectrum: I don't: I put the political spectrum on me. Do you identify yourself with a certain political grouping: Nope. Do you indentify yourself with a certain political party: Nope. Religion: ... is evil?
Abortion: Should be legal, but I don't like it one bit. War in Iraq: Very much for. War in Afghanistan: Very much for. It's the same as the one in Iraq. Marijuana: Legalize it. Firearms: Legal. Gay marriage: For. Gay adoption: For. Religion in school: Teaching about religion in school is fine, so long as it is optional, done absolutely no earlier than teenage years and not taught as if it was true. No school-led prayers or anything of that sort, though. Death penalty: Gone from against to undecided. A lot of criminals certainly deserve to die. European Union: Not a fan.
04-04-2008, 23:24
lancelot
Re: Political Leanings of Members
Country of Residence: Britain Nationality: English Political Compass Result: Economic Left/Right: -6.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.33 (Although I dont actually agree with this at all! I would rate myself Economic -1 and soc lib/authoritarian 8)
Where do you put yourself on the political spectrum: Politically conservative.
Do you indentify yourself with a certain political grouping (socialist, neocon, etc): No I dont think so.
Do you indentify yourself with a certain political party: No, the current choices in the UK are all as corrupt and self serving as the others.
Religion: Extremely atheist. If you believe in god- you may as well believe superman is real.
Abortion: Not an expert but legal until it becomes 'icky' to terminate (ie-legal till a certain time). Also- it takes 2 people to make a baby and the father is expected to care for it. The father should have some say in decision to abort or not.
War in Iraq: Should not have got involved but should now stay and help put things right.
Marijuana: Legalise. Other 'harmful' substances are legitamised why not this one. Legalisation = regulation and tax income. Take it out of the hands of the 'criminal element'
Firearms: Given that most of the planet has adopted a no guns policy in general, I fail to see even vaguely compelling reasons why the Americans adhere to their archaic 'rights to bear arms'
Gay Marriage: If you want, go for it.
Gay adoption: Straight losers and jerks can be parents, I dont see why the same should not apply to gays.
Religion in schools: Religious history optional to those who want it but discouraged. Active religious practice strictly forbidden. School is for sums, the alphabet & history not sitting on a bench or a mat praying for divine intervention- do that on your own time.
Death penalty: Complex topic. I drift between wanting seriously evil people dead or making them do hard labour until they drop.
Proving guilt definatively is the major problem at present but I do believe that their is no rehabilitating some people and that seriously evil people should die- if to only give the victim's relatives some sort of closure.
04-12-2008, 05:31
Evil_Maniac From Mars
Re: Political Leanings of Members
Updated.
07-11-2008, 21:39
Reverend Joe
Re: Political Leanings of Members
Country of Residence: Woodstock Nation, currently under military occupation by the United States of America (:jester:) Nationality: American. Political Compass Result: Economic Left/Right: -6.50; Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.51 Where do you put yourself on the political spectrum: N/A Do you indentify yourself with a certain political grouping (socialist, neocon, etc): Anarchist, somewhat (see below) Do you indentify yourself with a certain political party: the Freak Power Party. Religion: Gnostic, but not affiliated with any church; my religion is the strongest ethical and moral compass in my life, and thus my political views may seem erratic to some, as they are guided by religion and not a political line of thought.
Abortion: I believe that, up until the point where a fetus is recognizably human, and unless I am mistaken, such a point exists, abortion should be legal. Until that point, an unborn baby is still part of a woman's body, and it should be her right to decide what to do with it. Besides, if yo wait more than six months before you decide to get an abortion, there's something wrong with you. War in Iraq: Against it morally; however, I have accepted that we have to stay in Iraq until the nation is stabilized. That doesn't mean that anything that happens afterwards will ever make it right, and I will never forgive the government of this nation for what it has done to unforgivably betray my trust and the trust of the American people. Marijuana: Legalize it, tax it, standardize it, and don't sell it to anyone under 21. And yeah... I would love to own a 19th century style cannabist shop, complete with a wooden Indian (not an American Indian, the South Asian variety.) Firearms: I'm for them, but only with proper training and management. If you want a gun license, you have to pass a test. Additionally, you should only be allowed to use them as a last resort; i.e. don't go outside looking for trouble, but if someone breaks into your house and is clearly threatening your life and/or your family, you should be able to blow that sucka away. Gay Marriage: I'm for it; but I have doubts about marriage to begin with. If you love someone, and you want to be in a relationship with them, there's no need for marriage, because a good relationship is no different from marriage, aside from an overblown and absurdly expensive ceremony; and if you don't have the dedication to make that relationship work, it should be your problem, not God's. Gay adoption: No reason there should be any problem with this. I'm for it. Religion in schools: Against it; schools are designed to educate based on the sciences (in a broader sense, i.e. literature, mathematics, history, and the "traditional" sciences, i.e. chemsitry, physics, etc.) Religion is a matter of personal choice, and every person should have to decide fro themselves what to believe in, if anything (although I must say that atheism is just too bleak for me, and Agnostics are far too wishy-washy.) Death penalty: Uncertain, but somewhat against; while I am bothered by the thought of a judge/jury having the ability to condemn a human to death, I can also see how some people just deserve to die. Like someone who drowns babies or cats or crap like that. Perhaps in lieu of the death penalty, they could be sentenced to lifelong manual labor that's designed to work them to death instead.
07-12-2008, 11:58
SwordsMaster
Re: Political Leanings of Members
My profile: Country of Residence: Currently Nigeria, in 2 weeks - Spain, then Ireland, then South Africa... Nationality: Spain Political Compass Result: Economic Left/Right: - Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: Economic Left/Right: -5.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.28
However, I think the results are a little skewedish. More questions on more issues are required.
Where do you put yourself on the political spectrum: Monarchist, with semi representative parliament Do you indentify yourself with a certain political grouping (socialist, neocon, etc): Monarchist, strong civil liberties, social security and personal independence guarantees. Do you indentify yourself with a certain political party: No Religion: Christian -ish
Abortion: Legal, however parenthood should be regulated. It's funny how the governments are keen on regulating our speed limits but don´t care about parent's ability to raise the citizens of tomorrow. War in Iraq: Watching from the sidelines and throwing toilet paper at the referee. Marijuana: Legalise Firearms: Tightly restricted. More efficient police force. Gay Marriage: I do think they have rights just as anyone else, so should enjoy the same advantages. If the government wants to restrict their liberties, it should stop taxing them. Gay adoption: No opinion. Religion in schools: No preaching, just teaching. Also either teach all or none. Death penalty: No death penalty per se. Yes to forced labour.
07-13-2008, 22:21
Evil_Maniac From Mars
Re: Political Leanings of Members
Updated. ~:)
07-13-2008, 23:22
KarlXII
Re: Political Leanings of Members
Country of Residence: USA, Sweden (Born and raised in both nations)
Nationality: American, Swedish (Permanent residency)
Political Compass Result: Economic Left/Right: -2.50 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 1.44
Where do you put yourself on the political spectrum: No idea.
Do you indentify yourself with a certain political grouping (socialist, neocon, etc): Socialist, with Monarchist elements.
Do you indentify yourself with a certain political party: Democrat Party in the US, Sweden Democrats in Sweden
Religion: Lutheran
Abortion: If the mother was not a victim of rape, or is not in danger due to the childbirth, I am against it on moral grounds.
War in Iraq: Against the invasion, I am for pulling out after we have helped create a stable state.
Marijuana: I am for the use for medical reasons.
Firearms: 2nd Amendment right to bear arms, fully support it for the use of self defense.
Gay Marriage: For it.
Gay adoption: For it.
Religion in schools: Against when it comes to classes, however, if there were a voluntary Christain student group that is held before/after school, I am for it.
Death penalty: For the use of extreme cases.
War in Afghanistan: This is where we need to focus. A strong supporter of a surge of troops, from Europe and America.
European Union: Pro-European mutual defense, however, against political control of countries, strong supporter of national sovereignty.
Edited for specifics
07-14-2008, 17:23
atheotes
Re: Political Leanings of Members
Country of Residence: USA (been there for 6 years... will be there for 2 more years before returning to India)
Nationality: Indian :india:
Political Compass Result:
Economic Left/Right: -6.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.59
Where do you put yourself on the political spectrum: Moderate
Do you identify yourself with a certain political grouping (socialist, neocon, etc): no
Do you identify yourself with a certain political party: No
Religion: Raised a Hindu, currently Atheist
Abortion: Legal for all reasons in 1st trimester. Legal at all times for health of the mother, rape, etc. But my opinion should not count as Women alone should have a say in this.
War in Iraq: Was completely opposed to it before it started, now i believe the US has a moral responsibility to stay there till country is stable... only a gradual withdrawal should be pursued.
Marijuana: legalize it...
Firearms: Hunting and target shooting weapons can be legal
Gay Marriage: Gay peo ple should have the same rights as straight people concerning civil marriage
Gay adoption: Should have the same conditions that are applicable for straight couples.
Religion in schools: No....maybe as part of history.
Death penalty: Undecided... Sometimes i feel certain crimes should be punished by death and dont think too much money should be wasted on criminals...but am a little uncomfortable in the thought that this decision rests with judiciary... maybe we should find a better way to punish criminals and make them less of a drain on the society
07-14-2008, 19:50
Spino
Re: Political Leanings of Members
Country of Residence: USA Nationality: Swarthy Brooklynite... :laugh4: Seriously... Greek/Italian ancestry Political Compass Result: Economic Left/Right: 2.38 - Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.31 Where do you put yourself on the political spectrum: Moderate/Right Do you indentify yourself with a certain political grouping (socialist, neocon, etc): Goldwater/Theodore Roosevelt style Republican with Libertarian leanings Do you indentify yourself with a certain political party: Conservative & Libertarian Parties Religion: Raised Greek Orthodox but now confirmed Atheist
Abortion: Pro-choice. Woman's right to choose but mainly pro-choice because court cases favoring abortion will pave the way for eugenics oriented treatments & procedures for use by individuals, not the State. War in Iraq: Was a fence sitter. Didn't really buy into the WMD argument but appreciated the geo-political strategy behind the decision. Given the generation running the country I had little confidence in the execution. However the 'Surge' has proven its worth, we should remain in Iraq until its government can police & protect itself effectively. Marijuana: Legalize for medicinal use. Firearms: Yes. Firm supporter of Second Amendment. Gay Marriage: No Gay adoption: No Religion in schools: Religion dictating curriculum in public schools? No. Public schools observing Judeo-Christian religious holidays? Yes. Death penalty: Yes. The punishment should fit the crime.
07-15-2008, 09:30
pevergreen
Re: Political Leanings of Members
Country of Residence: Australia
Nationality: Australian
Political Compass Result: Economic Left/Right: -2.62 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 1.13
Where do you put yourself on the political spectrum: Oooh ooh! I finally understand a bit. Where the Compass put me is in the right direction, probably a bit too far right and not enough up though. Maybe (-3.3, 4)?
Do you indentify yourself with a certain political grouping: I dont think so.
Do you indentify yourself with a certain political party: More with the Labor Paty than the Liberal, but not closely with either
Religion: Agnostic
Abortion: Legal until the time where you can feel it kicking.
War in Iraq: Idiotic, get out now.
Marijuana: BAN BAN BAN, no one should ever have, for any reason.
Firearms: Laws in my state, I agree with. Its closely monitered, many forms and things to pass to be able to get a handgun
Gay Marriage: No
Gay adoption: Case by case, as all adoptions. So I guess yes.
Religion in schools: I am at a Lutheran Christian School, but not in all schools.
Death penalty: Yes. For anything that gets Life Imprisonment or worse.
07-15-2008, 10:32
Sigurd
Re: Political Leanings of Members
Country of Residence:Norway Nationality:Norwegian Political Compass Result: Economic Left/Right:-3,12 - Social Libertarian/Authoritarian:-0,92 Where do you put yourself on the political spectrum: Moderate/Right (in Norway) Do you identify yourself with a certain political grouping (socialist, neocon, etc):Not really. Do you identify yourself with a certain political party: voted Right (Høyre) last. Religion: Agnostic
Abortion: It is up to the mother, but within restrictions of first trimester. I would want the mother to consider to carry the child to birth nonetheless and if she can't keep it, give it up for adoption. War in Iraq: USA was justified in resuming the war after Iraq broke the truce just 14 days after it was signed. If it was wise is another issue. Marijuana: Should be illegal period. Firearms: legal for those trained to handle them. e.g. soldiers and veterans. Gay Marriage: I am not so sure about this one. I am leaning towards yes, but only civil marriage. Religion should have the right to not wed homosexual couples if its doctrine is against homosexuality Gay adoption: We need a more tolerant society for this to work. If kids can respect a child with gay parents, I guess it is OK. Religion in schools: Why not? there are billions of religious people. Death penalty: I am leaning toward yes in extreme cases.
07-15-2008, 11:45
PBI
Re: Political Leanings of Members
Country of Residence: UK Nationality: British Political Compass Result: Economic Left/Right: -5.12 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.28 Where do you put yourself on the political spectrum: Wishy-washy liberal Do you indentify yourself with a certain political grouping (socialist, neocon, etc): Liberal Do you indentify yourself with a certain political party: No Religion: Reluctant atheist
Abortion: The current limit of 24 weeks is about right. Beyond that only in cases where the mother's life is at risk. War in Iraq: An utter disgrace and a stain upon my country's conscience. Bush and Blair should stand trial for waging aggressive war. Now we are there it is our duty to stay the course but it is a question of limiting the scale of the disaster, not gaining victory. It saddens me deeply that so many people couldn't see the WMD argument was obvious BS from the start and I largely suspect the only reason for the invasion was an attempt to propagate perpetual war for political ends. War in Afghanistan: I support the commitment of my country's forces in Afghanistan, although not without reservations (not least the mounting civilian death toll). One of the saddest aspects of the misguided Iraq invasion is that it has put our victory in Afghanistan in doubt. Marijuana: Legal, but only in licensed premises. Firearms: Undecided. Can see the argument on both sides. If they were legal here I wouldn't buy one. Gay Marriage: Absolutely no reason not to allow it. Churches should only be allowed to refuse if they receive no public funding or tax breaks. Gay adoption: Can't see any problem with this. Religion in schools: In RE classes only, where all religions are taught about from a balanced, secular viewpoint. No prayer in schools, and definitely no religion anywhere near the science classroom. Death penalty: No in all cases. Life without parole achieves the same thing without the hypocrisy. European Union: By and large in favour of a unified political entity rather than a simple trading bloc but not convinced it's being done very well. I certainly don't think the solution is to abolish it, I fear if that step is taken the idea of a unified Europe will be gone forever. TBH I find it hard to care much about the issue, but it's certainly nice to be able to drive from Bristol to Vienna without needing about 50 different currencies.
07-15-2008, 17:26
Adrian II
Re: Political Leanings of Members
I don't lean politically, physically or otherwise.
07-15-2008, 18:03
Privateerkev
Re: Political Leanings of Members
Country of Residence: USA
Nationality: American but of Irish descent
Political Compass Result:
Economic Left/Right: -9.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.31
Where do you put yourself on the political spectrum: I find Socialist and Communist to be labels that are too limiting. The closest thing I identify with is that of a Left-Wing Utopian.
Do you indentify yourself with a certain political grouping (socialist, neocon, etc): Socialist would be the closest. But I joke that I am to the left of the Left.
Do you indentify yourself with a certain political party: No party adequately represents my values. With the lack of political options in this country, I vote for who I believe will do the most to bring about the change I think we need. Which tends to be Democrats but I am very dissapointed in that party.
Religion: Soft-Atheist. Which means I do not believe there is a God as opposed to knowing there is no God. I am open to the idea that there may be a God but I seriously doubt it. Basically, because I can not prove his absence, I can not say with certainty that he does not exist.
Abortion: Legal in all situations.
War in Iraq: Leave now.
War in Afghanistan: Leave now.
Marijuana: Legalize it.
Firearms: Disarm not only society, but the police and military as well. Projectile throwing weapons have brought nothing but harm to civilization.
Gay Marriage: Allow it.
Gay adoption: Allow it.
Religion in schools: Don't allow it. Should be taught only as a philosphy.
Death penalty: Abolish it.
European Union: Regionalism is bad. The whole world should be united under one uber-government.
07-17-2008, 22:38
ajaxfetish
Re: Political Leanings of Members
Country of Residence: USA
Nationality: USA
Political Compass Result: Economic Left/Right:-1.75 - Social Libertarian/Authoritarian:-3.28
Where do you put yourself on the political spectrum: Economically moderate, socially libertarian
Do you indentify yourself with a certain political grouping (socialist, neocon, etc): Libertarian
Do you indentify yourself with a certain political party: No
Religion: Mormon
Abortion: Immoral except for rape/health reasons, but should probably still be legal 1st and perhaps 2nd trimester
War in Iraq: a costly mistake that distracted attention from terrorists and Afghanistan
Marijuana: should be decriminalized and regulated
Firearms: some regulation is okay (i.e. preventions for felons or the mentally ill), but should be limited-safety training should be a greater focus
Gay Marriage: should be legal
Gay adoption: should be legal, but perhaps with some input from the biological parents
Religion in schools: should be private and personal, neither public nor prohibited
Death penalty: undecided
Ajax
07-17-2008, 22:58
Marshal Murat
Re: Political Leanings of Members
Marshal Murat
Country of Residence: United States of America
Nationality: American of British/Welsh/Scottish descent.
Political Compass Result:Economic=.12
Political= -.51
Where do you put yourself on the political spectrum: I'm a capitalist who fears rampant Social Darwinism, politically I identify with the right, but I'm still centrist. Barack Obama, look out! Idealistic foreign policy, but I understand realpolitik is required.
Do you indentify yourself with a certain political grouping (socialist, neocon, etc): Conservative (American)
Do you indentify yourself with a certain political party: Republican Party
Religion: EpiscoPresbyAgnosticism
Abortion: Should be avoided as much as possible (education etc), as the more I know the more I consider it a terrible and fatal decision against a human being, an unborn individual.
War in Iraq: Was for invasion, and hoping to stay in Iraq until stability is assured.
Marijuana: Should be allowed and regulated less than alcohol. I have personally witnessed what drink and drive can do.
Firearms: Allow those capable and willing to carry firearms to have them.
Gay Marriage: Against marriage, willing to allow "civil unions". Marriage is a sacred religious trust.
Gay adoption: Against, but not willing to argue about it.
Religion in schools: (assuming that you mean actual faith-based schools and not just extension courses) I guess it is better to offer them to take control out of the hand of extremists.
Death penalty: For death penalty, but the evidence needs to be concrete.
07-18-2008, 05:04
rotorgun
Re: Political Leanings of Members
Sorry for getting in so late on this guys. I have been extremly busy with my job.
Country of Residence: United States of America
Nationality: US
Political Compass Result: Social Libertarian
Where do you put yourself on the political spectrum: Moderate
Do you indentify yourself with a certain political grouping (socialist, neocon, etc):no
Do you indentify yourself with a certain political party: Democrat
Religion: Sothern Baptist (Former Roman Catholic)
Abortion: Against it except in cases of rape or medical neccesity
War in Iraq: Against it, but feel we should leave in a responsible manner
Marijuana: Legalize it, but heavily regulate it.
Firearms: for the fourth amendment, but against private ownership of automatic weapons.
Gay Marriage: Could care less what the freaks want to do.
Gay adoption:e 4th amendment, but against ownership of assult rifles
Religion in schools: Against a policy of official recognition of any religon, but for freedom of expression
Death penalty: Sure-an eye for an eye.
Note: Define myself as a conservative liberal-conservative in my approach, liberal in my thinking.
07-20-2008, 03:18
Evil_Maniac From Mars
Re: Political Leanings of Members
Updated.
07-20-2008, 08:59
Banquo's Ghost
Re: Political Leanings of Members
I think that this thread has garnered enough support and interest to be stickied.