Sometimes After big battles when battle finished and retuning to camping map CTD happens....and I have to replay these battles :embarassed:
Is there any reason for this or this is only random CDT????:help:
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Sometimes After big battles when battle finished and retuning to camping map CTD happens....and I have to replay these battles :embarassed:
Is there any reason for this or this is only random CDT????:help:
Leaving the battle summary alone for 10-15 seconds before dismissing it is rumored to fix this.
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Originally Posted by bovi
Thanks Bovi. I will try...:balloon2: :balloon2: :balloon2: :balloon2: :balloon2: :balloon2: :balloon2: :balloon2: :balloon2: :balloon2: :balloon2: :balloon2: :2thumbsup:
Really? Mine does this quite often, i'd be very interested to know if this works. I shall try from now on, thanks a lot boviQuote:
Originally Posted by bovi
Seriously???Quote:
Originally Posted by bovi
Thanks, hopefully you just saved me a lot of time and frustration.
10-15secs' patience works for me most of the time; if not always... :shrug:
Yes, seriously. I have no idea why, and personally I haven't been plagued by these crashes. But that's what people have been reporting.
I wouldn't be surprised if it got anything to do with:
a) e~5 the cleanup tool that performs garbage collection for RTW;
b) deadlock or exceeding limits the OS poses on stack and heap.
I do the waiting and still get the crash....very frustrating as it inevitably happens after large heroic victories. I've also heard that more free memory reduces likelihood of the crash...I'm playing on a Core Duo MacBook Pro w/ 1 GB RAM....gonna get some more ram and see if it helps, but in the interim, I just wanted to make sure that no definitive fix has been found.
Has there been anything that can be done apart from the rumored wait 10-15 secs?
This usually happens to me when a relieving army attempts to break a siege where I have built siege equipment. I stopped building siege equipment.
I also experienced after battle CTDs quite often. My system has 8GB RAM. I am using Vista x64. Rome therefore runs in 32 emulation mode ('WOW64'). I use the BI - exe.
A standard 32Bit program on a 32Bit OS can only use 2GB ('User RAM') The rest is for system. On Windows Server 2003 there is a recommendation to alter the boot.ini to set the ratio to 3:1 instead of 2:2 for applications like Exchange Server 2003, which can use more than 2GB. In the header of each exe-file there is an entry specifying if the program can use more then 2GB.
A previous poster in this thread suggensted that the after battle CTDs are due to memory management problems. That seems to be true.
Some time ago in some forum thread I can't remember (I can't even remember which game it concerned) I stumbled over a comment, that it could be generally useful to set the exe-file to be able to use >2GB RAM when using Vista 64 or Windows XP x64.
So I tried that on the BI-exe. The result was, that after battle CTDs occur much, much fewer times.
So I suggest that everyone who is plagued by after battle CTDs and uses a 64Bit Windows tries the same. The following instructions are based on using the BI-exe. But it should also work with RomeTW.exe and RomeTW-ALX.exe.
1. get 'Explorer Suite' from www.ntcore.com (freeware)
2. install it
3. make a copy of RomeTW-BI.exe'
3. right click on 'RomeTW-BI.exe'
4. choose 'Open with CFF Explorer'
5. in the left tree click on 'File Header'
6. in the right window click on 'click here' in the 'Characteristics' row
7. in the appearing window check the box in the line 'App can handle >2gb address space'
8. click 'OK' - button
9. click on 'save' icon
10. Run the game as usual.
For the following you really should know what you are doing.
I have not tried this on Windows XP 32Bit. I don't know if the alteration of the file header alone would work on that OS (or Vista32). I guess on XP32 you would additionally have to add the '/3GB' and '/USERVA=2990' switches to the line in the boot.ini that starts your Windows XP (eg:'multi(0)disk(1)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect /3GB /USERVA=2990'
(change is in bold characters)
TAKE CARE. Altering the boot.ini may prevent your OS from starting. Before altering it you should make a copy of the boot.ini and install the recovery console that comes with Windows XP to be able to copy your save of boot.ini back in case the OS won't start after the alteration. Or you could duplicate the 'multi...' line in the section [operating systems] of the boot.ini and enable the boot menu to be displayed when booting the OS.
sample boot.ini:
[boot loader]
timeout=15
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /noexecute=optin /fastdetect /3GB /USERVA=2990
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /noexecute=optin /fastdetect
32bit processors can usually cope with about 3.5 gb of RAM.
Today most processors support 64Bit. AMD and Intel use extensions for this (EM64T AMD64). That means you can run a 64Bit OS (Operating System) on a system with such a processor. You can also use them for a 32Bit OS.
A 32 Bit OS can at maximum address 4 GByte. That does not mean 4GB are available for the user. You have to subtract all resources (which includes memory of your graphicscard) that all the hardware in your computer needs.
That leaves you with about 2,9 to 3,5 GB usable RAM depending on the hardware resources needed. Only Server 2003 Enterprise fully uses PAE which extends the adressable space to 48Bit and requires special PAE-aware drivers.
Additionally Windows XP 32 (or Standard Server 2003 32Bit) splits the memory in 2 pieces. One is Usermemory which can be used by a program. The other is system memory (used by the OS). Therefore a single application can get no more than 2GB RAM. The /3GB ans USERVMA switches in the boot.ini tell the OS to provide 3GB Usermemory. For a program to be able to use more than 2GB it has to be specifically flagged for this. This is what I suggested in my post above.
Since the after battle CTDs (completely) went away after setting the program to be able to use more than 2GB, I am quite sure that after battle CTDs are caused by a memory leak. The program seems to simply run out of memory to continue (it does not free it soon enough)
Perhaps my solution only works on Vista64. It would be some kind of compatibility setting.
To falsify or verify my suggestion it would be nice if those that are plagued by after battle CTDs and especially use Vista64 would try it and give comments on the success (and add the amount of RAM installed in your system)
Generally it should be noted on which OS with how much memory and using which exe (RometW, ALX, BI) the CTD occured. As far as I remember the complaints mostly stated that hard battles had to be replayed, which I interpret as long battles with more than a few units involved.
I must thank you, Theages. I was in a serious dilemma when my Getai army was attacked by a full stack of Romani during their turn, a battle which I was forced to fight myself (autosave produced a heavy defeat). I ended up winning a "heroic victory" for the battle, but as soon as I returned to the campaign map, I would have a CTD. I came upon this and followed your instructions and tried playing the battle a fourth time, but with yet another CTD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Theages
I decided to use CFF Explorer for the EB.exe proper. The fifth time doing the battle, I also decided not to take any screenshots (which seemed to be the root cause for an earlier battle CTD). Somehow, I won a heroic victory and no CTD! I don't know if it was due to your advice or no screenshot-taking, but I'm inclined to think the former. However, I will do some more testing to confirm this.
Oh, and I am running Vista 32Bit with 2GB of RAM. I only enacted your first set of instructions (I was too afraid to bother with boot.ini).
Hey Frontline1944, when you say you used the CFF Explorer on the EB.exe proper, are you referring to the EBTrivialscript.exe or RTW.exe? I am running on EB1.2 on Vista 32bit, 2.4GHz, seem to be alternating between before battle crashes and after battle crashes and its driving me freaking insane. I tried what Theages suggested, with the CFF Explorer, making the necessary adjustments. The the battle loaded this time, I won a victory and then it crashed again. When I tried restarting my EB to try again it crashed before even loading the battle. What should I be trying?
Based on what Theages said, I would presume you should do this with rometw.exe.
Hey I was wondering if the EB Team could post a best set of video settings,etc for people who have this problem and also perhaps tell us what could be done o streamline the running of EB...These CTDs are ruining an absolutely priceless gaming experience...Any idea on what could be done?Does using the CF Explorer and the setting of RTW.exe to high priority on the task manager list help in anyway?:wall:
I have seen that this problem appear in late stage of campaign when the player has many towns. CTD appear randomly , the region affected depend on faction you play. For example Pahlava can't fight near Olbia and Cyrene, Greeks can't fight near Massalia and Ippone. But near Alexandria all factions have this problem. Maybe Alexandria bug spread randomly among others regions in late stage of campaign.
In my current roman campaign when I clock end turn I have to fight 3 different battles, and I haven'et yet gone through them despite trying them a gazillion tiems due to CTDs, will try
Thank you Theages!!
I suggest to everyone that is experiencing this CTD issue to try Theage's solution because it's very easy, quick and most important: it works!!
- Patricivs
Nope.Quote:
Originally Posted by bovi
It actually does help quite a lot. Not in all cases but in the most reported games it helps the players to get around the RTW memory leak.
I've crashed about 3-4 times in the past day 'waiting at the battle summary'. It does nothing and I'm convinced it's causing more crashes for me to be honest.
Trying exe fix above. So far so good.
Not sure if this helps but I get a persistent crash on the loading screen especially after battles with the new quote files for eb 1.2. I put my back up files back in and it goes away. I was using the updated files on the 2nd page that are listed as fixed and it still crashes not sure if you installed them but it fixed my crashing.
I have not crashed at all since I applied the fix Theagas posted. I'm using 64bit win 7. Thank you good sir!
good god, leaving it alone DOES work! thanks so much! :laugh4:
I have not crush after battle too after I applied the fix Theagas posted AND EDB file is checked using Haus_of_Ham programm - http://www.filefront.com/16766031/checkEDB.zip/
In EDB were some sintaxis errors
I applied Theagas's fix, but im still getting after battle CTD.
Im running Windows XP 32bit with 2gb of RAM, and im using Steam's version of Rome total war Gold, and the Eb 1.2 mod of course.
Its only crashing after this one battle with me as the Arveni against some gaulish tribe. Plz help.
Btw i did not do the second advanced part of Theagas's method, only cause i would not know what im doing.
I would use auto_win to get the wished result if it crashes repeatable at the same point. Fighting the battle on a other turn can also help. You are waiting before quitting the battle-screen, right?
XSamatan
When I was playing 1.1, they seemed to happen with about half of all heroic victories taking place on the AI's turn.
I've noticed a persistent one on the Mytilene land bridge; any time you fight a battle there and there's reinforcements involved, it crashes after the battle. I got one of those just now.
Hi people this is my very first post here !
I have that EB CTD too... I am running it on a PIV 3.0 gh 1.5gb ram nvidia6600
Despite the REALLY old pc, the game still run great (loading still long) but that CTD problem is making me sick :(
I only have crashes at the end of a battle, and in my experience it is not a matter of faction/location/size of battle and sometimes neither how much time you are playing. Right now i did that battle in Syracuse like 4 times with Koinon Hellenon and it still crash even if the pc just fresh started. I can't apply the "theages solution" cause i have winxp 32 and 1.5 gb of ram ... so... what to do ? please i really love that game! :D
without that crashes it would be like perfect!
Welcome to the forums!
Did you wait before returning to the campaign map for a minimum of 15 seconds? This helps a lot.
Increasing the page-file could also be a way to get around the RTW-memory leak.
If you have access to either the BI or ALEXANDER addon, using them decreases the chance of getting this bug, for installations see the unofficial-mod sub-section of this forum.
Thanks XSamatan...
My page-file is 2000-4000, i modified it some days ago since i read that this parameters was better, but before this it was like 4000-5000 so probably i already tried this solution when i first played EB some years ago.
Honestly the ALEXANDER addon is the only thing i didn't tried, but the bad thing is that i have to unistall all and probably lose all my savegames, isnt' it? I understand that they might have been improving the game a lot but when i was playing the RTW vanilla, there were no signs of crashes even when playing hours and even with greater and "complex" battle... so if there is a memory leak it only mainfest itself on EB. Thats sad for me since EB is a whole different game compared to vanilla.
No, the memory leak is there in vanilla too, but EB maxes out all aspects of the engine so it comes earlier to bugs. Sadly there is little we can do against it.
If you switch to Alex you have to start a new campaign, but you don't have to install anything again, just install ALEX+the files provided by Maksimus: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...1-ALEXANDER-EB
XSamatan
Ok i will try and i will post results but... all the campaign AGAIN !!! :( it already happened when i installed BI !!
OMG i think i will never take mty bachelor degree ! :D
mmm sorry for thew off topic but you think i can try with FOR ''ENGINE'' USE ONLY or the ALEXANDER EXTENDED EB MOD ?
PS. don't know if it helps but my results in checkEDB are:
Error parsing line 521: Couldn't find a matching {smiths_workshop} entry in text\export_buildings.txt
The 'for engine only' files are fine for your need, you don't have to use the full modification. However, I'm not sure if you have to delete the immortal trait manually, best to ask Maksimus in his thread personally, it is too long ago for me to remember.
Using Alexander, I don't get any CTD'S that are repeatable, and if I wait for 20 seconds after the battle also no crashs at this point.
If you apply the files from Maksimus, the validation tool won't work as it is designed to check a non-modded EB.
XSamatan
Just for the record I was getting a consistent crash after a large city assault battle. Running Vista64 I applied the ntcore patch and waited a good 20sec or so after the battle and no more crashes. Which is good because I didn't really want to do that battle again for the 4th time!
Game config: EB 1.2 + Fixes. Campaign as Romani M/M, Huge unit size, using the RTW.exe
Mods added: Win conditions, Force Diplomacy, RS map textures, Naval Start add on (only trade cart), No big trees, New quotes, MC player formations
Crap... just had another crash after the city assault. Grrr! I think I am gonna have to bail on my rtw.exe game and go for the Alex minimod and see if this helps because this is really killing my fun. :(
I had problems with the game crashing later in campaigns after battles. I tried Theages suggestion and IT WORKS GREAT! No more crashes after large battles. The CFF Explorer method has solved a lot of frustrations.
EB is by far the best mod, after playing this for over a year its really hard to play other mods because of how much attention to detail EB has.
THANK YOU Theages! This post should be made easily accessible for anyone else having CTD issues. USE CFF Explorer and follow the instructions IT REALLY WORKS!
Hello, I don't know if Theages is still around but I have a question concerning his method. I use the team version of RTW (Alex in fact) and I try to get rid of those annoying CTD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Theages
When I check in the task manager while playing I never see the RTW exe but a process named testapp.exe. Does it mean that in fact the exe I should modify with CFF explorer is testapp.exe ?
EDIT : Tried this fix and even if it's not really convincing with EB it totally fixed the ctd I had with RS2.6. But I just used the first part of the fix.