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It's been a while since we have done this and a lot of new folks are around the forum, so here is the question:
What factions have you played campaigns as? Not a 5 or 10 year campaign, but not necessarily one where you have fulfilled all victory conditions either. Let's say a minimum of 25 years or so (100 turns).
Multiple votes are possible!
I'f you're talking about 1.1 then I doubt anybody has finished more than one yet, but I've finished a handful of 8.0x and 2 1.0 campaigns =]
It's nice to see that everyone have played as Romani
This is interesting...
I also tried the Getai in 1.0 but didnt include them in my vote as I gave up reasonably early as it seemed broken with the unit costs and scrambling around with the family members in permenant skirmish mode.
Otherwise all my campaigns have been excellent - Lusotannan especially. I didnt really believe all that stuff about excellent ambushers etc and using that as a viable conquest tactic, but its really true! The style of fighting is totally different. All credit to the EB team for their excellent work.
Nah, pretty much in any version.
I actually haven't played a single campaign or even custom battle of 1.1. :embarassed:
This new job is killing me.
Great that you liked it! Any suggestions on making it better for future incarnations of EB?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cambyses
On that account (pretty much in any version) I would have to include Baktria, Koinon Hellenon, Ptolemaioi, Casse and Aedui. (Only voted for AS, as it's the only one besides the occasional 'hey my games ctds' saves of EB1.1 I have...)
Well I had played 2 baktrian campaigns, 1 pontic campaign, 1 seleucid campaign, 2 romani campaigns, 1 hay campaign, 1, Koinon campaign, 1 Aedui campaign, 1 Arverni campaign (migrations). And that's about it.
Then of course I tried even some other factions (Sweboz, Saka and Lusotana) but that was just for couple of turns.
Now I am playing Romani 1.1 campaign (I just ended first punic war - the year is 238 BC) and I need to conquer Liguria to kick the Polybian reforms.
When I am done with this campaign I will probably try one either as a Karthage or as a Getai.
re lusotannans.
Well, as you ask :beam:
IMO the change that would be of the most benefit is with government levels and AOR. The victory conditions are great and really make you work for your moment of glory. In order to eliminate Carthage, you effectively have to conquer and hold Africa, but cant build anything more than a level 3 govt or train much of anything substantial. Also, the same situation recurs in Gaul. I could see Brihentin and Gallic light cavalry as natives in the recruitment viewer, but actually can never train them due to govt levels.
This makes the campaign challenging and fun, but also quite slow going as all troops need to be trained in two provinces (lusotanna and sucum murgi) before being marched all around the place on basic roads. the Iberians are of course also useful as support. I know every faction - to a point - is in a similar situation, but I would say Lusotannan feels it more than most due to a combination of geography, infrastructure and victory conditions.
I might suggest some type of minor reform that allows some few basic native troop types to be trained outside of Southern Iberia, which represents what would have inevitably happened IMO if a credible overseas empire had in fact been established. (If these reforms would also allow a slightly better ship to be available that would be great as well.) That is Lusotannans developing their culture after more contact with foreign ways and their conquered subjects adopting some of the mannerisms of their conquerors. Maybe it would be easiest to implement if it could be tied in with the conquest of Ireland?
For example in west Africa, imagine recruiting an equivalent to Iberian Light/Medium Infantry - more expensive of course. The Carthies did it, the Romans did it, the Arabs did it, Im sure others did as well - so why cant the lusos train these guys to fight like them? Not to knock the Numidians or Celtic troops that can be recruited but they can only ever make up part of an army and consequently comes the ball-ache with the marching around.
Also, if you ever need to lose a unit from the roster, look no further than Iberian Medium Infantry, In 1.0 at least. They take up a valuable slot that could be better used elsewhere. The Scutari are far superior Medium Infantry to hold a battle line. Iberian Light Infantry can flank well enough (better) already and the Iberian Heavy Infantry are effectively the same price and are very superior in an assault role.
My favourite battle with the lusos was during the conquest of Africa on the plains half way to Carhage, where I met a large Qarthy army (1.5 stacks) with mostly elite troops, using the fact I could hide virtually every unit in my army (0.75 stack) in either long grass (even the heavy infantry!) or a small nearby forest, I was able to repeatedly ambush the superior enemy cavalry and phalanxes, eventually driving them from the field for a Heroic Victory :2thumbsup:
Currently going: Epeiros, 230 BC, it's getting quite annoying. I get attacked by virtually EVERY nation =_=
Arche Seleukeia: 248 BC. Alliance with the Ptolemaioi. Yes, you read it correctly.
I have an alliance with the Ptolemaioi
Anyways, I just crushed the Pahlava, only to get attacked by the Saka in the next turn. The Baktrian usurpers betrayed me in 256 BC, and they are in the process of being slaughtered by my next Basileus, Kallinikos Syriakos.
I also finished a Makedonia campaign in the internal version.
Rome only.
So far, while Casse is comparable popular, hardly any one seems to play the Arverni and Aedui. Surprising that AS and Makedonia are as often played as Epeiros. According to the forum, I would think that Epeiros would be more popular. Not surprising that again KH and the Romani seem to win - not bad for a mod that was more than once accused of beeing "Anti-Roman biased".
0.80 Romani till about 252BC.
0.81 Makedonia till about 187BC (still living from it)
1.0 Sweboz till persistent CTD in about 234BC
1.0 Karthadastim, ongoing, currently 212BC (always thinking about upgrading to 1.1 and start again in the Makedonian ways)
With 1.1, I've only gotten a significant distance in a campaign with the Romans, KH and Hayasdan.
Casse, Aedui, Arverni, Romani, Pahlava, Sab'yn, AS, Epeiros, Baktria, Sweboz, and Getai. I've only completed the VC with Sab'yn, though. :embarassed:
I've played a Saka for a very long time, but aftr having destroyed Baktria and Pahlava, with India under my Control and my hordes in Babylonia my savegeme was bugged and I couldn't continue my campaign due to CTD's. It broke my heart to leave my hordes alone…
And Romani, I HAVE to play them. My mother is from Rome and I go there every year and its the most beautiful city I know. I just love to make the city the centre of the world ;) :smash:
Serious campaigns as Romani, Casse, Sweboz, Baktria, Saka-Rauka, Hayasdan, Epeiros, KH and Sauromatae.
Romani are an obvious choice (though not my first one) and I just had to test the Neigh-Impossible ones. I really enjoyed Saka-Rauka, and so had to try their easier version the Sauro´s. I´ve always liked isolated nations, so Casse fited me well, and so did Sweboz. Baktria I don´t even know why I tried.
Only won campaigns as Baktria, KH, Romani and Sweboz. Damn close as Casse, but stuff and then 1.1 got in the way.
I have yet to finish a game... Part of that is due to my refusal to kill off my fellow factions, as I would rather defeat them and place them in a single province, and I therefore do not meet the victory conditions often. I conquered enough territory in my Baktrian campaign to qualify, but I did not finish off the Saka. Also I am one of those people who builds their country into a nice regional power, and then starts a new game. I usually only play about 60 - 70 years into the campaign, and then I launch a new game. Even now I have a great 1.1 Mak campaign sitting on my hard drive, and I have started a desperate struggle for Baktrian independence. Now that Bactria is free with reasonably secure borders, I am beginning to imagine an ahistorical Sabyn empire stretching from Africa to India, and funded by raids into Egypt and Mesopotamia. Oh well, I suppose that we all enjoy the game in our separate ways... I have never played Romani though, I just suspect that the campaign is too easy, that your empire is too inevitable - am I wrong about this?
I feel the same way. I can't bring myself to start a serious Romani campaign for this very reason - the inevitability of it all. That and I want to play it historically, but at the same time, the few times I have started one, I just feel too bound by history. That and I'm not a big infantry fan (horse archers & cataphracts FTW).Quote:
Originally Posted by Irishmafia2020
But yeah, I'm like you, once I survive the initial game and have built up into a nice regional power, I tend to get bored and start a new campaign. I really prefer the East - Hayasdan, Pahlava, Baktria, AS.
I'd be curious to hear the flip-side of this poll, which factions you don't play. For me, I have no desire to play the Casse or the Sabyn. Carthage, as well. I just can't ever imagine playing these factions.
Why do so many people play Rome and only Rome? Well anyways, I've played as the Ptolemies, KH, Epieros, Kart'Hadast, Saba, and the Averni.
Because I can play historical simulation and still have lots to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fish-got-a-Sniper
Why then not play the Pahlava?
Or the Sweboz?
Or the Sauromatae, Saka? Those are factions that lasted until 14 AD.
Ya I did the Sauromatea and they have been my favourite so far, I was charmed ever since I saw the picture of the aorsi noble cavalry, honestly if the person who made this unit would be right here, I wouldnt mind giving him a hug. Anyway furthermore I played carthage, sweboz, arverni, mak, epeiros and pahlava. Right now I am doing a campaign as the lussotana with using the move_character cheat to start a baltic campaign.
I can't imagine playing the Getai or KH! Gauls don't seem very interesting to me too.Quote:
Originally Posted by socal_infidel
I've played as: Romani, Karthadastim, Epeiros, Makedonia, Koinon Hellenon and Arche Seleukeia. I've only completed the Makedonia campaign though.
I only play with these factions because I have a great historical interest in them. I know their history, the people who led the factions and the way their units work. I hardly know anything about any of the barbarian factions, that's why I think I never play with them.
Casse-Awesome starting position, I got to the 230's after the time of soldiers and am still having fun(just haven't played that campaign in a while, after you get Remi Marepos the only thing you lack is line infantry(which you get with Celto-Hellenes)
Arverni-I prefer Aedui over them
Aedui-I prefer Casse over them
Sweboz-Got to the 240's and was not expecting to like them as much as I did, two problems arose though
1-Never got the reforms, I found out how though
2-Pikeman can't form a formation for crap, when told to do line formation that form a -_-_-_- rather than a ------- and they go zigzag walking styles.
Their limited infrastruction also is a bit annoying, fun campaign overall, I just haven't played them in a while
Lusotannan-I really want to play as them but the starting position and inflated unit costs keep me away from the 260's
Romani-Can't play them because I am forced to do a 3 line formatiion with bad cavalry, too historically motivated for me.
Karthadastim-Really want to play them, just haven't got to it yet.
Epeiros-Too green, and I prefer the KH anyway
Makedonia-Too black and I prefer the KH anyway
Koinon Hellenon-Got to the 220's with them, but my save got corrupted after I crushed italy, really just gave up hope after that.
Getai-Not really interested...
Ptolemaioi-Maybe someday, same as Carthage.
Sabyn-Really bad starting position, large provinces and bad units, also the "Incomplete" feeling of arabia is a tad odd. But I will play them some day.
Arche Seleukeia -Too powerful at the start
Pontos-Great units but Hayasdans Cataphracts keeps me away.
Hayasdan-Same as Greeks, got to the 220's but a bug kept me away for about a week and when I came back the save was corrupted, then I made another game but I saved it on quicksave...
Pahlava-Would rather play Hai, and the bodyguards at the beginning don't look "right"(the horse and man don't match the Horse/man of the pictures)
Baktria-Would like to play more than I did.
Saka Rauka-Played into the 240's and conquered most of the Arche, still playing it.
Sauromatae-...Would rather play the Saka
Over-all I voted the Casse as they were my first in 0.7 0.8 and 1.1(didn't play 1.0)
Romani only so far. Yes, I know they're really generic, but I've always been a big fan of Roman culture and I enjoy building the Empire of the culture I love so much. When I win as the Romans, I'm thinking I may move on to the Makedonia campaign - gotta love the people of Alexander or perhaps the Sweboz as I've read about them in Tacitus' Germania. -Mulceber
I have played mostly SPQR, but also enjoyed campaigns as KH Kart-Hadast, KH, AS, Maks, Eperios, Yellow Death, Gauls, and Lustotana. Loved them all but still Romani are my favs.
Completed:
Koinon Hellenon
Makedonia
Karthadastim
In Progress:
Koinon Hellenon
Romani
8.0 completed:
Epeiros
Baktria
1.0 incompleted:
Rome
Makedonia
1.1 campaign stats
Arche Seleukeia (h/m completed 192 bc)
Pontos (m/m in progress)
After fighting 596 battles (about 400 of them personally) in my Seleukid campaign I'm a bit tired of my favoured Hellenistic warfare so I decided to give Pontos a try and after it probably either Pahlava or Hayasdan.
.8: Saba and AS (neither finished-EB 1 came a month after I got .81)
1.0: AS (completed)
Saba (got boring-no I was winning it easy)
SPQR (stated with it 2 weeks before 1.1 came out)
1.1: SPQR (just started)
from 0.75 till now I've played most factions
Alot with the hay, pontos, KH, AS, Saba, Phalava, Casse, Avreni, Baktria, Lusotannan
Not interested in pike-based armies, horse-archers or "barbarians".Quote:
Originally Posted by Hax
Have started out KH, Epiros & Makedon but probably not played enough to properly count. Maybe the KH one?
Carthage, Arverni, Getai, Lusotanan & Aedui campaigns are the ones I've gotten furthest with, 2 ended by new EB versions & at least 2 of the others by repeated CTDs (including at least one of the short ones)
Love the Gauls :)
Getai was sweet too.
Lusotannan was slow starting but was going pretty well but then I stopped playing about the same time as I was going to have to invade Italy against so many Polybian units, saved by EB 1.1 release.
Carthage is my favourite but I haven't played since I think .8.
Desert wars at the river crossing every 2 turns was very annoying & never felt that I could really expect to be able to take over the Nile. Even if I did, I'd just wind up with an even bigger grind against the Grey Death...
Would like to get a Ptolemaic campaign going but the one I tried failed miserably :(
Have little interest in playing Sabyn, Sweboz, nomadic factions or Rome (mostly because I can't be bothered with trying to work out how the whole consul trait stuff works).
Have been kinda gun-shy about playing one of the neighbours of the Grey Death but I think next comes a Baktria campaign.
Have never reached the offical victory conditions.
Wasn't far from it with Aedui & Lusotannan though.
2 longest campaigns were Makedonia and Karthadast in 1.0. In 1.1 I'm just playing a few turns with each faction to see what they're like.
Which leaves the Romans and Saba as the only available factions for u?Quote:
Originally Posted by QuintusSertorius
Just thought I'd do a little resurrection to say my Baktria campaign is coming along well :)
So far Grey Death has sent only fairly limited forces in my direction & Eastern archers vs Eastern unarmoured troops is great fun.
Being on the wrong end of the Saka makes me actually interested in giving a nomad faction a go sometime.
Pretty much, though I'm not keen on the weakness of Saba's infantry.Quote:
Originally Posted by eggthief
All that said, I have been tempted to try a Qarthadast campaign every now and then, largely because their Iberian infantry are good. I'd play it historical, losing battles and territory to Rome before my eventual destruction in 146BC.
Since I guess you're not using Force Diplomacy (since the achievement would then be worth nothing), I'd really like to know... HOW???Quote:
Originally Posted by Hax
I would guess maybe not fight the Ptolemaioi when you first start out. Grab a ceasefire, and perhaps an alliance could be possible later given time. I've certainly seen the AI do it numerous times.Quote:
Originally Posted by artaxerxes