An EB interactive campaign ...

Love EB?
Wanna play it with other people in an interactive campaign where you can help decide the fate of the Antique World?
Then take a look at this thread to help us set it up!

If you like to know more about these kind of games then just look into the Throne Rooms sub-forum called LotR - Last of the Romans

So perhaps there are some people here who are interested in this?

I will update this first post regularly so people would get the latest information about the game.

The mini-mod for this game is almost finished.. There will be some testing to do and perhaps then we are ready to go!

The name of the game is: Will of the Basileus (WotB)

EB uses the mod-switch function; so you can rename your current EB folder to something like EBv1. Once that's done, reinstall EB, then you'll be able to install our mod, and you'll be set to go!

The faction is Arche Seleukeia.

Players who are interested:
Ibn-Khaldun
Warmaster Horus
The Celtic Viking
lobf
Roka
00jebus
Eliit Tuhkur
johnhughthom
||Lz3||
Chaotix27
Metuselah
Olimpian
Incitatus
LordOfUmbar
Hax
russia almighty *Maybe
hooahguy
MerlinusCDXX
Basileos ton Ellenon
TWFanatic
Fondor_Yards
YourLordandConqueror
Rodrigo_Stak
TheFlax
kingsnake
Celtic_Punk

So far we have 26 people interested. That's more than enough to start this game!:2thumbsup:

For more information PM me or Warmaster Horus.:2thumbsup:

You can also check our temporary forum and discuss over the rules and give us some ideas to make the game more interesting. You can find the forum here: WotB temporary forum

First off a lil bit of details for those of us who have no idea what a "interactive campaign simular to lotr" is.

Also, I say one of the smaller factions, Pontos, Casse, maybe Swebos.

Check out the Throne room, or the link in my sig.
Last of the Romans (LotR) is a sort of PBM (play by mail), where each player is assigned a character, and then can influence the game in various ways. The player fights each battle their character does; he can vote in the voting sessions, interact with other characters, etc. I'm not giving a great description here, but it's awesome. Before LotR were WotS (Will of the Senate, played with RTR, and first of this kind of game) and KotR (King of the Romans, played with slightly modded M2TW).
I guess I'd be interested.

Looks like I don't have to explain what LotR is .. WH managed to do that before me :beam:

I doubt that it is possible to play something like that with smaller factions because it is possible that they will be destroyed before the faction had time to expand..

I wouldn't want to pick Romani because.. well.. that's what everyone are doing :beam:
I would prefer actually Ptolemaioi or Arche.. With them it is possible to RP more than with the smaller factions. Of course this would mean that we already have a pretty big Empire in our hands.

So.. I would appreciate your ideas over this thing..:yes:

Btw.. link to LotR can be found in my sig too :beam:

I'm in. I'd vote for AS, but as long as it's not Rome, I'm game.

Well, KH would be logical since they were a sort of Democracy. But just about anything's fine with me. I agree that a small faction would be hard to play well, though.
A good faction would be the Arche Seleukeia, since they do have a big Empire, but that would be good with many players (we could mod characters in, and other stuff to make it harder for us.)

AS would be awesome... imagine fighting between the satrapies...

KH is a possibility .. It would take less time and energy to mod them playable for this game..
AS would take a lot more work .. but it would be more interesting to play them :yes:

I don't think work's a problem. It's august, so a few of us are on holiday and have more time on our hands (at least I do).
The end result is more important.

I agree.. The End result is what counts..

But still .. we need more people do join this!

Also.. Looks like the faction will be either AS or KH??

i would be more than happy to do this, anychance of giving me some more info?

Saba!! :idea2:

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hehe nah just kidding, AS sounds like a good idea but, it seems also like a lot of work , I'm not totally sure if I'll be able to join this , I'm kinda lazy when talking about battle reports :sweatdrop:

Roka l look at the Throne Room.. There is a subforum called LotR .. Or you can just use the link in my sig :beam: I think there you can find the best info about these kind of games..

||Lz3|| - LOL .. I actually thought that you're going to suggest Saba!! :laugh4: With AS it is a lot of work. They start with more than 20 settlements! :dizzy2: Also AS is most likely going to be attacked by all of it's neighbors very soon.. well.. this actually is good for the game :beam:
And You don't write long long posts about your battles.. If you give the end result of the battle then that is fine for me :beam:

Yep, Ibn-Khaldun's right. The way I see it, the minimum you've got to do if you sign up is:
- fight your battles
- post the result screen
- vote in Senate sessions.

So, to recap:
- Faction is apparently Arche Seleukeia (large Empire hard to defend, because of the number of potential enemies) with a modified starting game to make it more difficult.
- Players:
Ibn-Khaldun
Warmaster Horus
The Celtic Viking
lobf
00jebus
Eliit Tuhkur
johnhughthom
||Lz3||
Roka

Clearly some people are interested, and by PM'ing I guess we could get some more people interested.
So: pm your friends with EB, tell them to come here, and post that they're interested.

Guys, something just shot through my mind... I'm not actually interested to take part in this interactive campaign, but I thought that you could give real depth to the game, by stimulating civil wars. For example, satrap X (player) decides he has enough potential to take over another satrapy or go against the Basileus, by fighting a multiplayer battle with the same troops he has raised in his area, with the same experience and such, against another satrap or move against the Basileus.

Well, Last of the Romans has a way of simulating Civil Wars. And the two games before ended in Civil Wars, so we'll be going with the methods used before.
Of course, multiplayer battles is still possible, although a bit difficult to simulate the impact in the game.

Are we gonna need any EB minimods or just Vanilla EB+Permanent fixes?

If its just EB+Permanent fixes I'm in.

I think it would be just EB 1.1 + fixes...

There will be some changes to some files but not much.. probably edu and edb files only..

LotR uses the LotR mod which does this:

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Originally Posted by lotr faq

Q: What's in LotR Mod 1.2?
A: Several things. (1) Relatively new versions of Lusted's Campaign and Battle AI mods, to make the AI better (2) Modification to make recruitable generals available from every Byzantine settlement in the game and to reduce their cost and upkeep to 1 florin each (3) Modification to halve the 'wage' cost of family members and recruitable generals (4) A LotR icon for you to use (5) Fixed text description for the traits Overconfident and Blatantly Overconfident (6) Removal of the triggers for the entire SS 4.1 Civil War trait system (7) Removal of the triggers for the Near Loyalty and Far Loyalty trait lines (8) Removal of the triggers for the Stripped trait line.

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Obviously the majority of changes are specific to M2 and Stainless Steel. But we can adapt it to EB and add some minimods as well.
Don't worry; it should all come in a nice, neat package you can install easily. That way you could have both EB 1.1 and our version.

I'm out then.

Sorry to hear that, Rilder. You know you could just install EB twice, and on one install put the mini-mod (I know I'll do it).

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Originally Posted by Warmaster Horus

Sorry to hear that, Rilder. You know you could just install EB twice, and on one install put the mini-mod (I know I'll do it).

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I know, I have 2 installs with RTW already, 1 for EB and 1 for vanilla.

RTW:BI:EB is 5gigs in size, another install would mean another 5 gigs being used, and I'm trying to be conservitive with my remaining 35 gigs.

The size of EB could frighten some people away.. especially if they like to keep the original game and EB with changes for this game..

It's been decided between me and WH that the faction will be Arche Seleukeia.
I proposed the name of this game "Will of the Basileus"(WotB) in honor of WotS and KotR:2thumbsup:

Count me as in, preferably in Antollia when we start picking characters.... I like the weather...and in all honesty when this gets going I'll probably be sick of fighting horse archers.

After this gets going you'll be sick of fighting against phalanxes :devil:

Anyway.. I'll count you in :2thumbsup:

The Estonian Ferret wants in :beam:

I'll have to install EB first though...

You are in! :2thumbsup:

EDIT: If I'm right then in the beginning there are 10-11 FM's. 2 will soon die though. So if we could get some 15 players to join then I think we could start this. Of course once we have small mod ready for this game.

I'd be interested in this, there have been a few similar efforts that haven't lasted long, it would be nice to get into a campaign properly.

Let me tell you, with the few lotr players we've got here, this game goes on until we end it.

Good to see more players coming in!

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Originally Posted by Warmaster Horus

LotR uses the LotR mod which does this:

Obviously the majority of changes are specific to M2 and Stainless Steel. But we can adapt it to EB and add some minimods as well.
Don't worry; it should all come in a nice, neat package you can install easily. That way you could have both EB 1.1 and our version.

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this could prove problematic for me, as i am swiftly running out of room on ym comp, also when would we be looking at startign this game up as i will busy studying for next 2 weeks

Roka - We need to test this mod that WH is creating for our use before we can start.. I don't think that we start in the next couple of weeks..

johnhughthom - I'll sign you up! :2thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Ibn-Khaldun

Roka - We need to test this mod that WH is creating for our use before we can start.. I don't think that we start in the next couple of weeks..

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WH has Pm'd me the details, as i told him i can be counted (probably) in :2thumbsup:

another thing crossed my mind...well actually 2 heheh

1-AS has a lot of small (3-4 units max) battles at the beggining , the largest army at the start has 4 units afaik and the economy isn't as great either

2- I have a heavily moddified EB ehehe :sweatdrop: so I might not be able to play cause I don't want to risk my 215bc camapaign , cause I have already killed a 240bc camapaign by messing with the files midgame :wall:

||Lz3||
1 - All battles without a general will be fought be the Chancellor(Or what ever we call him). Battles with the Generals will be fought by the players. The Economy might not look too good but actually after some 'reforms' you can easily make over 10000mnai a turn.

2 - I presume that these are just .txt files that are changed? If they are then you can just copy them into your backup folder. Or is there other files changed too?

I have moded waaaaaaay too many files to be listed

I have changed ,

EDCT-export_descr_character_traits (know as mid campaign killer)

and a lot of other changes from the descr_strat , to EBBS , unit skins , and well I use alex.exe :sweatdrop:

there are like other 30 or so other changed files, I already have a backup , but... I'm afraid to kill my campaign again , so unless someone confirms that chaning EDCT midgame , then play another campaign , and then switch back to the original modded EDCT does not kill my campaign hehe :sweatdrop:

Are you planning to use LotR rules or write your own? If it's the former I'd advise you to use KotR rules, they are more suited to smaller groups of players.

||Lz3||, what you can do is rename your current EB file to say EB v1, then install EB again. Once that is done, you'll be able to install our mod over the new installation.

Eliit Tuhkur, we're taking LotR as a base, but that doesn't mean we're not going to change stuff. I'll take a good look at the rules for LotR, KotR and even WotS (since it's more appropriate to the timeline).

comforting to hear you're thinking this through :yes:

Hey, I saw the link in Warmaster Horus's sig, and I'm in! I love EB, personally I think it's better than M2TW and some mods for it.

If the faction hasn't completely been decided yet, I'd like to say that Qarthadastim is also a great faction choice for this kind of game. Of course, I'm fine with whatever you go with.

Chaotix27 - Sry .. But the faction is AS. So I'll sign you up?

EDIT: So we have 10 people interested already. Hope they are still here when we finally start this thing :2thumbsup:

question about difficulty, I'm guessing we'll be using M battle, to prevent entire satrapys getting killed off by militia?
but for campaign?

H, VH, or VH with massive levels of cash injected to the major factions?

In the mini-mod there will be a money-script in there, so I think VH shouldn't be too bad.

M for battles, of course.

VH leaves no room for anything resembling diplomacy though, with H at least you can hope for the AI to be slightly less braindead.
How about using ALX.exe? It has massively improved my games.

Well.. I doubt that everyone else have Alex.. Me being one of them who don't have it..
And we have the Force Diplomacy mod in our mod so.. We can still do diplomacy..

This looks very interesting and I would love to get in on it, but I won't really be able to play for the next 2 weeks or so. If you have started by then, would it be possible to join late? If you haven't, or if it is, count me in!

let me guess IK's answer;

course you can join late

In fact, thanks to recruitable generals in EB, people can join at any time

Excellent. I can't wait for this to get started.

00jebus nailed it. It's exactly that.

EDIT: actually, after looking at this thread (why is vh the recommended difficulty?), and especially Foot's replies, I think we'll have Hard as campaign difficulty. The campaign should be challenging enough.

I'd be interested, if it's no biggy if maybe I'll be away for some 2 weeks in september (nothing certain yet). Other than that, I'm good to go anytime.

I'm interested in this. Count me in.

Though I play a modified EB.

I've got to tell Ibn-Khaldun to add this to his original post...

EB uses the mod-switch function; so you can rename your current EB folder to something like EBv1. Once that's done, reinstall EB, then you'll be able to install our mod, and you'll be set to go!

Olimpian, it's no problem.

Then count me in :2thumbsup:

I'll go then ;).

As a descendant of declined nobility, I declare that it is my divine right by birth and blood, whatever the current position of my name may be, to take part in the moulding of an empire.

:yes: Count me in!

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Originally Posted by 00jebus

let me guess IK's answer;

course you can join late

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Am I really so predictable?! :dizzy2:

Anyway.. I'll change the first post now...:smash:

And yes.. thanks to recruitable generals you can join when ever you want..
I just hope that people could stick to this until the end and wouldn't disappear after a year or two in game..

Now.. Could some EB famous historians give us some help?!

I like to know how should we call the 'Royal Council'? or 'Chancellor'?
Also.. could someone give us some suggestions how to call our generals. 'Strategos' means 'general' actually so this way we could be the lowest rank..
But what about some higher ones? 'Megas Strategos? :inquisitive:

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Originally Posted by Ibn-Khaldun

Now.. Could some EB famous historians give us some help?!

I like to know how should we call the 'Royal Council'? or 'Chancellor'?
Also.. could someone give us some suggestions how to call our generals. 'Strategos' means 'general' actually so this way we could be the lowest rank..
But what about some higher ones? 'Megas Strategos? :inquisitive:

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A suggestion; Strategos- good as suggested
Strategos Epilektos- next higher rank (distinguished general)
Epistrategos- regional military commander title (pulled from trait file)
Strategos Hetairos- high rank, for a general that draws favor from the Basileus himself (companion general)

Note: anyone who actually knows ancient Greek grammar and spelling, please feel free to correct my suggestions, also, a "junior general" rank may be good, ie Strategos Ephebos (or something like that, as I stated, I never studied ancient Greek myself, so I fully expect that my phrasing is incorrect).

Count me in. Looks like fun.

...I'd love to sign up, but I run a modified game already.

Basically, starting money, farming values and 0 turns for recruitment.

Count me in as well.

russia almighty - you can always do what WH have suggested to some others..

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EB uses the mod-switch function; so you can rename your current EB folder to something like EBv1. Once that's done, reinstall EB, then you'll be able to install our mod, and you'll be set to go!

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Hope you have enough free space in your PC though :beam:

Hax and LordofUmbar - I added your names into the list :yes:

Looks like we have enough people interested to get this thing started.
We will need to test and fix some bugs in our WotB mod and put together these final rules but other than that we are ready to go!
Hope to start in the last week of August or on the first week of September.:yes:

As for those who have signed up and are interested but can't jump into this game when we start it then don't worry.. You can always join the game later when you have the time..

Also... I think I'll mention this now. I've said it before I think. If the game is already in progress(or even now before it has started) and you suddenly can't play anymore for some reason just PM me about that but don't disappear without saying anything:yes:

i think ill join, but i wont be available much....

I'll sign you up..

Even if you take just part of these 'Council' meetings and help us decide the fate of the Empire then that is good enough.. You don't have to run around with your avatar! :beam:

Good to see some famous names here.. :laugh4:

ooops, I guess I didn't mention in my other post, but yes, Ibn-Khaldun, please count me in. :D

:bump:(I have always wanted to use this smilie)

So it wouldn't be buried under other threads..

Anyway .. once the rules have been decided then perhaps we can start this thing..
So far the WotB mod made by WH looks working just fine...:yes:

I would be interested in being part of the council...:2thumbsup:

Every player will be part of the 'Council' :beam:

It just that some of them will have more influence than others.. like Basileus and the faction heir(whoes greek name i always forget) and some others..

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Originally Posted by Ibn-Khaldun

:bump:(I have always wanted to use this smilie)

So it wouldn't be buried under other threads..

Anyway .. once the rules have been decided then perhaps we can start this thing..
So far the WotB mod made by WH looks working just fine...:yes:

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seems working fine to me as well :2thumbsup:

Kleronomos Basileion, I believe it is.

The Council is what we'll call our Senate. It sounds better than Senate, considering the Arche is supposed to be a Kingdom, and not a Republic.

You forgot to put my name in, Ibn-Khaldun.

You can count me in. I don't quite understand what this is but you can count me in nonetheless.:balloon2:

Basileos ton Ellenon - You are signed up now :2thumbsup:

WH - Thanks.. also check your e-mail :bow:

TWFanatic - This game will be similar to LotR (Last of the Romans) that is being played in the Throne Room. If you like to know how this game (WotB - Will of the Basileus) will look like then check the LotR sub-forum for more information about these kind of games. :2thumbsup:

Nice. I am looking forward to this. Will we get our own forum?

Hopefully Tincow can give us some space in the Throne Room. We haven't asked yet, but we will.

Ya know, why not, add me to the list.

Yes, we haven't asked yet because it's better to ask when we have everything ready and have something to show ...

Fondor_Yards - will do that :yes:

Yeah, I can't wait! :wacko:

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Originally Posted by Methuselah

Yeah, I can't wait! :wacko:

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Trust me.. You are not the only one!!! :laugh4:

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Originally Posted by Ibn-Khaldun

TWFanatic - This game will be similar to LotR (Last of the Romans) that is being played in the Throne Room. If you like to know how this game (WotB - Will of the Basileus) will look like then check the LotR sub-forum for more information about these kind of games. :2thumbsup:

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LOL I though that LotR meant "Lord of the Rings" total war :laugh4:

I meant that I would like to be part of the online council without...actually participate in the campaign... cause...I dont know.. too lazy to change my crazy-modded files <.<

which mods would we use? may I suggest Lysander13's AI minimod? to use Sinhuets formations (real improvement)

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Originally Posted by |||Lz3|||

too lazy to change my crazy-modded files <.<

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As suggested above, just rename your EB folder, "original EB" or something. Then you can install EB again, and have your original EB in one folder and the interactive campaign mini-mod in the other.

This is done assuming you have enough space on your comp, of course!
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