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What music do you prefer when playing EB? What kind? What gives you the rush when commanding huge armies in the battlefield?
Don't get me wrong, I like allot listening to EB music, but Hard Rock/Metal just gives me so much more motivation when playing...
:portugal:Raiuga:2thumbsup:
Chaire friend! It seems we have the same tastes when it comes to music when playing EB :wink:
Maion
Well, I usually listen to the EB stuff, but when playing Medieval 2 (especially when playing Arab factions), I'm listening to the German medieval band "Faun".
Nothin' like queueing up the Gladiator battle theme to a cavalry charge.
btw how can i change that horn that sounds the lowering of the lances to a different sound file? i want to put in russel crowe yelling "AS ONE!!!!"
Or ''HAI HITLER'', as a fellow EB member has confessed to shout when in a similiar situation:laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Celtic_Punk
Maion
Ive never listened to the EB music (no offence! sure its great) But i've always listened to my own music on every game that I play, having itunes opened in the background.
Depends what mood im in, but usually, dub, dubstep, reggae, darkstep dnb or breakcore, or something of the sort.
I doubt i'd play for as long as I do if i listened to the EB music though, the time it takes to end turns of my game I need a distraction!
Anyone heard Escape by Craig Armstrong?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhP6F-vxeZI
good tune. gives yah chills up yer spine! If I'm in a relaxed mood ill throw something like that on while I'm playing EB. this song especially lends a very certain ambiance. I first heard it off the Grey Wolves Expansion mod for Silent Hunter 3, they made it the maintitle theme. good song for uboats too.
Otherwise I'm rockin the EB tunes or some Stones (Keith Richards cannot be killed by conventional weaponry)
The entire soundtrack for that film is generally awesome.
Foot
I completely agree, will deffinately try and find it on the net.
Maiob
which film? Gladiator? I have the sound track lying around somewhere.. [DELETED BY USER TO ABIDE BY .ORG LAWS]
No discussion of cracked or pirated software is allowed on these forums.
Just a reminder.
sorry i forgot myself, Hax...
Thanks for the offer, but I would refuse it anyway. I don't mind paing for music, as it's legal, good quality and more importantly, safe! ;)
Maion
:smartass2:Good one Maion :thumbsup:
You don't know?! Its Plunkett & Macleane. An underrated film, that is actually bleeding awesome.
Foot
*winks to Raiuga* shhhhhhhhhh. Hehe, just kidding.
Maion
Anyone ever play the game Tenchu Stealth Assassins for the playstation?
I downloaded all the music from that and was listening to it last night while playing E.B... Very good shit.
Also: Tool have been good listening... anyone else a fan?
Well, personally I despise music and absolutely cannot stand any kind of music. However, I do listen to EB music, as I did with RTW music, which I both thought were great. Other from those I also sort of like the Gladiator theme song. However, the reason why I like these three kinds of music is because I am a huge history buff and a huge EB fan, not necessarily because I like music. Since the day I was born, I have not voluntarily listened to a song myself. If I was to listen to EB music before I actually got to play EB, I would think it was horrible (no offense) because that's simply what I think about any kind music in general.
I like you more every day.
During game I listen to Vanilla scores with best EB instrumentals (some were, IMHO, terrible as soundtracks, while other ones sounded pretty good), some scores of Andreas Waldetoft taken from the demo of Europa Universalis: Rome* (plus some from EU3) and two short "desertic" tracks of Martin O' Donnel and Mike Salvatori from Myth: the Fallen Lords (used for Tension Background Music with the original ones).
*: well, I'd like to have the entire OST but I haven't yet found it.
Nietzsche will hate you man! :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Aemilius Paulus
Listening Iron Maiden when pursuing a fleeing army while shouting "Run to the hills, run for your life".
Keep those post coming :thumbsup:
Yours Truly, Raiugaman:2thumbsup:
Oh my lol. :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Raiuga
Or maybe listening to "I believe I can fly" and see a soldier "fly away" for a cavalry/elephant charge during the chorus. :laugh4:
Maybe somebody may do a video with this. :D
(Mobilization)
Budapest Symphony - Ride Of The Valkyries
Canned Heat - On The Road Again
Martha Reeves and the Vandellas - Nowhere To Run
Count Five - Psychotic Reaction
Star Wars - Imperial March
Jefferson Airplane - White Rabbit
Rolling Stones - Gimme Shelter
(Tension)
Rare Earth - Get Ready
(Battle)
Bobby Fuller Four - I Fought The Law
Creedence Clearwater Revival - Fortunate Son
Rolling Stones - Paint It Black
The Troggs - Wild Thing
Jefferson Airplane - Somebody To Love
Plus the EB music.
I usually listen to Motorhead and AC/DC while in battle and Led Zeppelin during the campaing map. Its rock and roll baby!!!
Not exactly music for EB, but great music just the same. Nice to see people listening to good rock for a change.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Celtic Viking
I just listen to the default Europa Barbarorum music, or the Gladiator and King Arthur soundtracks.
Ca'mon people, don't be shy. Don't be afraid to admit that you listen to Madonna or Britney Spears when playing EB :gathering:
Yours truly, Raiuga:guitarist:
Just about anything by ES Posthumus works well for EB. I also like going with power metal: Blind Guardian, Stratovarius, Sonata Arctica, Nightwish, Hammerfall, Falconer, Dragonforce, and Rhapsody are my favorites.
:laugh4: Nah, only the holy trinity for me... Creedence, Skynyrd and the BTO. Or whatever I feel like listening to, but usually those three or a collection of 60's soul-funk I have called "What it Is!" Seriously, there's nothing better than seeing a routing army while listening to "Bad Moon Rising."Quote:
Originally Posted by Raiuga
:brood: You are not human.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aemilius Paulus
Bad Moon Rising! How could I forget to add that one? On the list it goes, and now I'm in your debt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reverend Joe
I really, really like the EB music and usually listen to that. As far as soundtracks go, it is probably the best game soundtrack ever. Fits perfectly for me. But, I like a little variety and if I'm playing EB for 3 hours straight (a very, very rare occurrence with my schedule lately) then I do usually put on some of my own tunes. Sometimes I like a nice little "clash montage" thing going on in which case I'll listen to something like rag-time during the battles; real men listen to Scott Joplin while bathing in the blood of their foes. Opera and Musicals are favorites of mine as well, Carmen, Don Giovanni, Marriage of Figaro, Madame Butterfly, West Side Story, and silly ones like Camelot, How to Succeed in Business w/o really trying, Gigi. Don't get me wrong, sometimes I also feel like some good old Led Zepp, CCR, Beatles, Doors, Kinks, Bowie, Floyd, Pixies, Queen, or Reed, Beefheart, Waits, Dre, Schooly D, Special Ed, Wu-Tang, or Shakur, et. al.. Classical is nice too sometimes, piano concertos, sonatas, waltz's and string quartets always seem to fit EB well. Nothing like slaughtering fools to Strauss' Blue Danube let me tell you. Sorry, never been a fan of Metal, Punk or their ilk, but who knows what the future holds, I may yet develop a taste. Jazz never seemed to go well, it is to complex too allow me to pay attention; Coltrane is great except when he is blowing his nose in F# in my ear while I'm trying to organize a flanking maneuver, couple that with Monk going God-knows where in some crazy ass piano comping and you have a recipe for disaster. Sometimes more chill stuff like Garland, Garner, or early Hancock is ok though.
Yes, I'm not, I'm really a sentient Cray-5 supercomputer. Just kidding, I'm just a really, really big nerd.Quote:
:brood: You are not human.
How exactly do you make the connection between despising music and being a nerd, I'm curious?
whats worse is your a ruskie!!! :chinese: you probably grew up with that crazy communist inspirational music lol!
good to see someone likes the Rolling Stones aswell. viking you got the sticky fingers album? i have the ooold LP version with mick jaggers working zipper on the front lool
Long live our Soviet motherland, built by the people's mighty hand! Long live our people, united and free!Quote:
whats worse is your a ruskie!!! :chinese: you probably grew up with that crazy communist inspirational music lol!
Laibach works well when I'm playing as the Romans. Otherwise, Mayhem/The Stone/Belenos/Burzum as the "barbarians".
And long live Russian Vodka that makes people so happy:smartass2: At least it makes meQuote:
Originally Posted by Hax
Yours truly, Raiuga:guitarist:
Well, nerds tend to dislike most of the things that go on in the "popular" culture. However, I am unusual in the fact that I dislike music, even among fellow nerds, for many enlightened minds argue and have argued that music is necessary for a human soul. I am a bit partial (in the sense that I do not abhor it and can actually stand it) to instrumental classical music, such as symphonies and piano concerts. Nevertheless, that does not mean that I actually listen to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarcasm
Well, about 50% of the time I listen to the awesome EB music, and the other 50% I listen to the music on my mobile. Lots of random stuff, but mostly Clash, Cock Sparrer, some swedish punk bands, Stiff Little Fingers and just lots and lots of random stuff.
Some moments when I´v really felt the music fitted with what was going on at the screen where when:
Rebel Waltz by The Clash when on of my cities revolted despite my many, many attempts to stop it. Really made me sad, and the music fits with that.
Anarchy in the UK by Sex Pistols when I just assassinated the last Casse FM making all of Britain rebel. Okay okay, I put that one myself, it wasn´t random, but still.
Bara Ett Minne (just a memory) by Swedish KSMB when Appius Julius Ceasar died, the second greatest FM ever.
Cheat by The Clash when I was... cheating!
Riot Squad by Cock Sparrer when aforementioned city was rioting.
Some songs that just really fit during battle: Hate & War, Clash City Rockers, Clampdown, City of the Dead, What´s my Name and Drug-Stabbing Time by The Clash, Run For Cover, Running Riot and Where are they Now by Cock Sparrer, Beväpna Er by Ebba Grön, Varför Lever Du? by KSMB etc.
just the EB one... if I try to use anything else I'll just get out of the inmersion so... meh
Man....I listen to so much music. I was apalled to read earlier that somebody hates all music. I am his polar opposite.
I have:
Blues- modern down to 30s
folk - American/Irish/Scots/English
drum n Bass the liquid kind/
Electro Gary Newman through to Crystal Castles and their crazy 8bit shiz that makes things sound like sonic.
Infact most Electronica.
Punk rock
various Rock n rap artists its a lot, too many to name.
Disco and funk and some motown and northern soul.
UK G n Grime.
Manu Chao he is his own genre.
I did enjoy a battle where i was Averni fighting Aeudi and both lines clashed just as Rage against the machine came on. epic fight. I lost. :laugh4:
The music I listen to can be anything, depends on my mood. Gregorian chants, drowning pool, Beethoven, Mozart, Bach, Enya, Conan, dune, bladerunner soundtracks, Nightwish, Lacuna Coil. Tarja Turunen, Epica, Xandria, (Symphonic metal) and many more. I have just discovered Faun; the music works for me, check it out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcEO54iY5hk
:yes:
That is amazing, someone who does not like music at all? May I ask why, was it a horrible accident or a bad experience while listening to music?Quote:
Originally Posted by Aemilius Paulus
he was head banging to some Slayer and smashed his head off the bathroom mirror, resulting in a massive hemmorage. A peice of glass lodged itself in such a place that stopped the bleeding and saved his life. No more will he rock again! hahaha
Tell, you the truth I am not quite sure myself, I simply detest and loathe music. I guess I haven't been exposed to music very much, which probably isn't true since my parents listened to music and I have encountered music in social settings, but nevertheless I have never in my life listened to a song on my own will (except for EB, RTW and Gladiator music which I am fond of simply because it reminds me of Rome, games or just history).Quote:
Originally Posted by fatsweets
The real hatred for music began in the eleventh year of my life. Before that I just didn't listen to it, considering listening to music a silly and wasteful pursuit. What's even more interesting is that I have never been able to find another person like me, one who does not like music. No bad experiences/accidents or anything. It is just a pointless waste of time to me, especially the music from the past 20th and 21st centuries. In addition to music I also have other things on my "to detest list" such as food, women, liberals, popular culture, television, etc. Don't get me wrong, I am not some nefarious, antisocial, everything-hating person. I have friends in my local nerd community, I like reading, history, computers, sketching, computer games (duh!) but not any of the things on the "to detest list".
Ok, I can understand some of your statement, because there are some foods and some women that I dislike or detest but are you saying you hate all women and all food? I am trying to picture who you are or what you might look like from this statment and I am seeing a very skinny(or very fat) person who is interested in homesexuality or asexuality. "Not that there is anything wrong with that."Quote:
Originally Posted by Aemilius Paulus
Wow?
No I am not homosexual, nor do I have abnormal weight. I am a conservative, a Tory/Republican. My weight is just perfect, or at least according to the body mass index chart, and I am not a weakling or anything. Homosexuality sickens me, although I am very tolerant of gays, especially for a conservative (they can do whatever the heck they like as far as I am concerned). Allowing gays to marry in church is nevertheless too far. A civil marriage should be enough. A better way to describe me would be somewhat of an asexual(no I am not castrated), or at least currently, as things do have the propensity to change. It is quite possible that I might find a woman that I like, but that has yet to happen. Sexuality is just an enormous distraction that has led so many people astray. It is far better to live without it.
As for food, I derive no pleasure from consuming it. That is why I do not care what I eat as long as it is healthy. I am not a health nut though, I avoid organic foods (inefficient) and would be the first to buy cloned meat. I could and have eaten the same thing for a week and have not gotten bored with the food. I was actually a vegetarian for a quite lengthy period, but not for any moral reasons. I still avoid red meat and my non-vegetarian diet consist of mostly seafood.
wow... and I tought I was nerd/geek...
... you seem to have a very happy life bro :yes:
but well to each it's own... besides who am I to critizice when I'm at home boring the hell out of myself while the rest of the country is celebrating the independence day <.<
I just use the default EB music, which I like so much that I actually use it when I play Civilization 4. I might try listening to Ulver, Kila, or Empyrium while playing next time, though. And I bet "Asgard" by Therion would make an awesome battle song.
Eb music is very good, so i usually listen to it a bit muted and in the background something like:
Slayer
Sham 69
Kassabean
Adriano Celentano
Ramones
Jefferson Airplane
Dr. Dre
The Beastie Boys
Some Mariachi/ Calexico
Johnny Cash
Nine Inch Nails....you name it....
...just a good mix of fine music...
I am currently playing Karthago..so some African/ Islamic music fits well in my opinion....I am a big music fan btw.
No, actually I do have a very happy life. I am doing what I like and I am always busy as well as never bored. Are you from Mexico, since that is the only country I can think of celebrating its Independence Day today? Unless of course you are from Papua New Guinea, which also happens to have its Independence Day today, but that is probably much less likely.Quote:
Originally Posted by ||Lz3||
I'm glad that you have found worthwhile interests to pursue. It would be a boring place if we all only liked the same things. For one thing, there would never be a game called Europa Barbarorum.
I am not trying to put you down paullus, I just find it very interesting. To each his own.
One statement you made that caught my attention was that you avoid organic foods and they are inefficient, I would have to disagree with you and what is your reasoning in that?
My reasoning? It takes much more land to produce organic food than it does to produce normal food. "organic cereal crop yields in Europe typically are 60 to 70% of those under conventional management" shows a recent Swiss study at the Research Institute for Organic Agriculture that has just been published by a 21-year study in the Science Magazine. We, the fat, indolent Westerners sit down, putting down our hefty arses and babble about the wonders of organic farming while the people in Third World Nations, especially in the Sub-Saharan Africa are dying of hunger. That's about 25000 people drying every day of hunger or hunger-related causes such as malnutrition. 18,000 of them are children. Organic farming and grwoing crops for fuel is shrinking the amount of food production in worldwide, but especially so in the First World Countries. Not only this, but secondly, the researchers declared that they found nutrients "in the organic systems to be 34 to 51% lower than in conventional systems, whereas mean crop yield decreased by 20% over the period of 21 years." So the organic foods actually have less nutrients, which is not unexpected, since you cannot have a high amount of nutrients in the soil, especially for an extended period of time without using chemical fertilizers. University of Manitoba agronomist Vaclav Smil credits the Haber-Bosch method of producing nitrogen fertilizer, invented in 1909, with sustaining two billion people today! That is unlikely to be an understatement, since the stuff on your table is mostly a result of nitrogen fertilizing, no matter if it was of meat of plant origin. Fertilizing with dung is not much of an option either since it is not cost-effective to transport dung over such sizeable distances. After all, it is shit, no matter what you say about it and what could be more worthless than shit?!?Quote:
Originally Posted by fatsweets
However, don't get the wrong. I am not an Angelina Jolie. I have very little empathy for the starving people of Africa. Their starvation is a direct result of their incompetent choices. First of all, they broke free of European nations, who colonized them. The European-African colonial rule was definitely not all peaches and cream, but by Jupiter was it better than today! Civil wars, international skirmishes, half of the people infected with AIDS, the other half dying from hunger, genocides, repressive governments, no economy are just a few of the problems that plague most of the African countries (with exception of Muslim North Africa and South African Republic). Don't you find it interesting that the only two regions that are actually somewhat well of in Africa are not ruled by Africans? No educated person can possibly argue that the de-colonization of Africa was a good thing. Not even for the sake of freedom, which Africans do not have by the way. Dictatorships and "kleptocracy" (where the president and his high officials steal all of the money/resources from the country) are the norm. If the colonial powers took advantage of their colonies and "exploited" them, then what do you call the current situations. Just take the former "president" of the Democratic Republic of Congo (formerly Zaire). He is reputedly the world's third wealthiest man and his country is the second largest and first richest (resource-wise) in Africa but there is absolutely no infrastructure, such as roads or anything public for that matter. The only means of communication are the rivers. Things were much better in the colonial times, foreign visitors/observers and local officials admit that.
When not listening to Eb original music:
Primordial, Falkenbach, Summoning at campaign
(classic) Death Metal like Bolt Thrower, Obituary or Fleshcrawl for battles.
Listening to "execute them all" (Unleashed) while fighting on of these annoying ptolemaic elite phalanxes feels just right. :laugh4:
When on the hunt.
To draw the enemy near.
Then to deminstrate, close, and to kill.
With the moment of decision made clear and then to chase.
I might blame the heavens or the stars, but know in truth, this is in my better nature.
well, I rarely listen to music when playing any mod whatsoever.(to add to the " realistic" atmosphere). in fact, music was never very interesting (tone deafness is partial, but does affect this. cultural and personal concerns add to the problem). when i do, its either the EB music, or just about the only band i listen to (a.k.a rammstein-mein herz brennt is preffered, or spieluhr perhaps? Nebel is nice too. all of them have a sadish/ etheral tone, but i'm a sad fellow).
the one who understimates it:laugh4::laugh4:. S*** is a good manure (granted, not too efficient for what you said, but it works better than most). it is also a good way of generating power-add a layer of salt and a copper nipple and zinc nipple (you can use a spent battery), and voila!Quote:
Originally Posted by Aemilius paullus
it can be used to feed a city-get creative (like culcutta), and its a carbon neutral alternative to fossil fuel. its a good source of methane (in fact, 12% of all methane emmissions come from cattle alone), which can be made into car fuel (like natural Gas). also, the finest brands of coffee, cooking oil, and a few others, are basically pooped out of an animal (the coffee from an indonesian civet that swallows coffee beans, and the oil from morrocan goats eating nuts from a special tree). some types of tea are made from insect droppings in some parts of china (the insects eat the leaves, poo the left overs out, and they are collected-don't ask). the hindus can be damn creative with cow dung: they have soap, shaving cream, and even toothpaste from the stuff, made from dung of cow-yes, its perfectly safe. also, in parts of Africa, elephant or Rhino droppings can be used to make paper. Saltpeter is/ was often made of the stuff. cow urine can be use to make a wierd red ink, and can be used to treat wool (if your last name is fuller, then an ancester was knee deep in it curing wool). but now I'm getting into the world of urine.
Moral: have imagination. even the seemingly insignifigant can be an asset....that's what got us humans with outr present state.
sources:
1-some special on TV
2-I read articles in Nat. geographic, Collier's encyclopedia, me school book, and talked to a person who actually handels the stuff (Mrs. tarrent).
3-ever heard of Karen Chen? she can teach you how to use fossil poop to open your narrow mind on the use of dung in paleontology
one othe thing: anyone here listen to rammstein as well? while playing of course.
whow, varg vikernesQuote:
Originally Posted by Milovan
this is to much for me... always have a bad feeling with this...
especialy the link with mayhem...
I have to admit all of this is pretty impressive and ingenious, but how much of the manure actually gets processed? Haven't really seen manure-processing plants any time lately.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ibrahim
HELL YEAH...GREAT to see another fan of the The Reverend Maynard around here...didn't think I'd ever connect these two dots on this forum...!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jorduan
An incredibly interesting (and totally unexpected, I must admit) subject here...just one more reason to hang out at the Guild...
Life feeds on life feed on life feeds on life feeds on...
http://www.deezer.com/#music/result/...20re%20yaouank
Ar Re Yaouank. Celtic music for a Pahlava afficionnado.
2 of london's electric genrators do run on the waste of poeple. Calcutta obtains a good deal of the food from using the stuff to grow food, and breed fish. and the batteries are a common sight in parts of southern india. its also widely used as fuel in the said place (India).Quote:
Originally Posted by Aemilius Paulus
poeple in the west admittedly don't process it lto the level of hindus, but this is due to cultural considerations, not due to usefulness level/ efficiency (as said, they're surprisingly efficient). poeple like you don't help either. I believe the west needs to pay more attention to it, and learn not to fear it too much (call me mad, but if its useful=use it to the max, and over use it if one must). bear in mind, if done properly, they can be surprisingly safe (yes, I'm considering the health hazards.)
anyways, i'm wasting time and post space here trying to do the things TW fanatic warns against in his sig. I won't reply to any comment BTW.
Jesus, this guy fails at life. Bad.
And why would that be so?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sarcasm
Actually, some Sinatra is quite soothing after a hard-fought battle. But mostly listen tho the EB-music, though. It really gets you in the EB-mood.
The very fact that you have to ask that, really just proves my point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aemilius Paulus
That's it for me in this thread btw; Norwegians are caring people.
Why has this turned into an Aemilius Paulus Debate AND music discussion? I came here to talk about music! But since everyone else is giving in their 2 cents, so will I. Ahem: He seems to be an interesting fellow, and that is all I will say. I love music, though, and many of the things on his despise list. More for me, I say.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aemilius Paulus
Anyway, I listen to the EB music, but really epic stuff is fun too. Sonata Arctica, I suppose, but some classical epic stuff. Like Trans-Siberian Orchestra. They have a version of Beethoven's Fifth that is made for epic Sweboz campaign. I need to stop using the word epic.
I share the opinion of Aemilius Paulus when it comes to really loud music, I hate having to scream to talk, it doesen't matter if it is Heavy Metal or Gregorian Chants if they are loud I don't like them, but I like Listening to music if I control the volume wich usually is quite low.
In EB I Listen to the EB music generally but somethimes I listen Nightwish for those hard bloody battles.
You hate really loud music but you listen to Nightwish?
Weird people here...
What´s the point of listening to a band like Nightwish if you´re gonna have the volume turned down real low? That´s like happy dancing to Tokio Hotel or breakdancing to Bob Dylan. It just kinda destroys the very point of the music.
I read somewhere that up to 10% of the population doesn't see the appeal of music, but they don't show it. Also, if you're going to have battle music, it needs to be loud, period. We aren't talking some namby-pamby chamber music here, we're talking screaming electric guitars as thousands of your foe are killed!
(Mild pet peeve there. I don't like chamber music. Sounds too much like elevator music. Basically everything else is ok, though)
I used to actually not like music, but I think it was Led Zepplin that made me change my mind.
Mezarkabul.
As wierd as it may sound, Turkish heavy Metal kicks ass. Bir is perfectly suited for those incredibly tough battles where both you and your men are hard pressed for morale.
Nought but whatever's on there. I don't have a separate music player in the room with the computer, and I have as little as possible running at the same time as the game.
Conan the Barbarian soundtrack for me. It's soooo great when Pyrrhus charge those athenians boylovers crying "CROOOOOM!!!" :viking:
I'm sure you mean "that's like listening to Tokio Hotel". I mean, that's a thing people should never be allowed to do.Quote:
What´s the point of listening to a band like Nightwish if you´re gonna have the volume turned down real low? That´s like happy dancing to Tokio Hotel or breakdancing to Bob Dylan.
Touché.
Of course. You don't have to distort the loudspeaker in addition to distorting the guitar. Then again, I don't listen to Nightwish all that much anymore, it's more Soilwork, Joe Satriani and 69 Eyes these days.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hax