Redux: Debug-Area...

Ok, I have set up this thread for the sake of clarity and at the same in an effort of trying to keep all such related stuff as the title suggests in one single place. Here!

When reporting bugs:

• Always remember to check that your game is fully updated and running on optimal status…
• Always remember to state what redux version you are running is it v.1.1 or VI/v.2.01?
• Always remember to state upon what version is running upon. Is it original MTW/VI/ Gold/Era-Edition?
• Always remember to state if you got several installs of different versions of MTW.
• Always remember to state exactly where the bug is located or the circumstances that make it appear…
• Always remember to give an extensive description of the anomaly, bug or error. That way; chances are a lot greater that we actually identify it and thus can find some possible solutions for it.
• Always remember to cross-check if it might be a corrupted-save, the info on that is available here.
• Always consult the “known bugs” section in the redux “ReadMe”-file or the list here below before you try to report in a bug…

COMMON BUGS: (Primarily it concerns v.1.1)
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• Selecting random units in MTW-Redux will usually cause the game to freeze, so don’t use that.
  
• Selecting historical battles will cause MTW-Redux to crash, so don’t use that.
  
• Selecting historical campaigns will cause MTW-Redux to crash, so don’t use that.
  
• Selecting the campaign tutorial will cause MTW-Redux to crash, so don’t use that.
  
• In campaign-mode a province or regions religions value (catholic, Islamic etc.) might drop well under the 100% standard total, this bug happens seemingly at random in a province that just had a siege or battle the turn before. It seems that it happens more often if the province is or was under rebel rule. The effect of the game minor but all bordering provinces will eventually drop their religions values to zero. Which means that most general’s recruited from these provinces will have poor piety values from start. Other than that it seems to have little effect on the game, aside from it being annoying. The only way that seems to halter this bug is to destroy the castle in province before going to next turn. Other than that I have no clue what to do here.
  
• In campaign-mode the game sometimes freezes from one turn to the next. Usual symptom are that some soundfile loops and are stuck. Load a save at least two “turns/years “ prior to that turn and the game will usually progress as supposed to. Don’t know for sure why this is and have no other solution to offer, sorry. Note that this is not in any way unique for redux it happens in the original as well.
  
• The variable faction shields may be somewhat unreliable and colours sometimes don’t show up right. This is an annoying bug and I have not found a simple and good way to counter it for certain. It also seems that this problem vary from computer to computer, and from game mode to game mode. However, in the Medieval - Total War\Battle\FacShield -folder (in both "Hires" and "Lores" folders) I have put some alternate shields that might solve this bug for you. These alternate faction shields are marked with an "x" in the beginning, as in "x_germany.tga" (or "x_germany" dependant on your settings) for example. Change the names these alternates to the ordinary file-names and hopefully the problem is gone (back up both variants to be on the safe side). Other than that I have no clues to what to do here since it seems to be a hard coded issue. FIXED!
  
• The "name-anomaly" is a strange bug that due to hardcoded framworks some names might seem to be out of place now and then concerning the Moorish, Saracen and Portuguese factions. I have tried to camoflage it as well as possible but other than that I can’t do
  anything about it. If I could I would but this is hardcoded stuff.
  
• Princess bug, valid for Portugal and Lithuania. Roughly about AD 720 these factions cease to generate new princesses. This is all hardcoded, if I could change all that I would. (in VI/v.2.01 it is the Norse and Lithuanians instead, the problem is the same but restricted to pagan-factions).
  
• Russian ruler bug, the very first turn he dies and his heir takes over the following turn. This is all hardcoded, if I could change it I would. FIXED!
  
• The Norse and Lithuanian factions have too share Islamic event pics, again
  hardcoded it seems thus I can’t change it. I put in as neutral pics as I can to mittigate it...
  
• Vices and virtue bug, for some reason the usual progression of these seem to freeze once it has evolved up to step 2 (out of 3-4 possible). All this seems to be hardcoded, if I could change all that I would. Possibly it might be connected to the originals era-progression but this is not absolutely certain.
  
• The original game, MTW, has a nasty habit of corrupting saved games now and then. Sadly this flaw is also effects the redux version as well (even if the origins of all this are clearly from the original and not redux). When these things happen there is little you can do short of go back to a healthy previous saves and go on playing from that point. Because of these circumstances it is strongly recommended that you do regular “Master Saves” so the effects of these occurrences is minimized as far as possible. Do this at least every 5th turn to be on the safe side. Also, when you do these “Master Saves” do them at the very beginning of a turn, before you do anything. That way your chances of getting a healthy save are increased. A common symptom of a corrupted save is that the game suddenly crashes and you cant get to tactical mode for some strange reason. Be aware of this and do those regular “Master Saves”, for your own sake!

For full information on known bugs, anomalies and tech-stuff, please refer to the latest "Redux_ReadMe100x.txt" (relevant sections). For VI/v.2.01-specific info please refer to the latest "Redux VI_ReadMe100x.txt" released....

- A

Are the Town Guard, Town Militia and County Militia buildings supposed to generate any units for the russian? Because they don't.

I noticed Redux Castle got 4 towers now. Are you going to built dungeon too?

Hi there Will,

Well um… They don’t, quite right. Militia stuff don’t strike me as very Russian so all those units are locked. Militia stuff is not an “Eastern” thing… Not in my book anyway. Hence Russia, Byzantium, Poland and Hungary don’t have much of that. At any rate, all the buildings still provide the usual happiness boost!


- Cheers
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Yep! That and a sturdy gatehouse as well, at the very least… Already made lots of plans for the dungeon!

Count Axalon,
You were talking about these Aragonese in your Blitz Spain Campaign reply to Cambovenzi.
I had noticed during my Slomo Campaign that their stacks are pretty weak, with lots of skirmishers.

https://img136.imageshack.us/img136/...armyjw0.th.jpg
See stack buildup.

If you make these Aragonese stronger, everybody will be forced to go the Slomo way and I will be the hero :laugh4::laugh4:.

Kidding!

Noted William, I'll fix it....

SPANISH BUG FOUND!
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Ok, it has come to my attention that by exploiting various flaws in the original game (MTW) it is possible to play reduxed Spain in a way that makes it unacceptably simple. By commencing a chain-reaction of silly retreats from the AI it has become possible to totally ruin the designs set up for Spain. I will have none of that and this is utterly unacceptable of course.

Current released material has these weaknesses built in so the damage is already there (sadly enough). What remains now is to do some damage control and the first step on that direction is this release of this “rushed into service” experimental startpos for both versions of redux the “N1000/1” (versions for both V.1.1 and VI/2.01) and see if the problem have been successfully countered with that.

Further down the road an official redux patch will be released and rest assured the Spanish bug will be completely killed to the best of my abilities with that. As for now, all you guys will be the testers of the N1000 “startpos” – so report your findings in this matter right here since this is now a bug-matter! Also state what version your'e running your tests with N100x, is it V.1.1 or VI/V.2.01?


Download experimental startpos Spanish fix “N1000” for MTW V.1.1:
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Download experimental startpos Spanish fix “N1001” for MTW VI/2.01:
REMOVED

Cambovenzi and Obliqueattack have both already secured a credit for bringing this fact to my attention. I will also credit anybody else who reports in any other substantial information in this matter that are connected to the N100x-file. All credits will be included in the future formal redux-patch and the release of MTW-redux 1.1 (3rd edition).


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MISSION BRIEFING: “N1000/N1001-testing” (Expert-level)
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Ok, this is for all you guys who wants try it out and want to help some at the same time! First of all place the file in the right place, probably something like that: X:\?\?\Redux - Total War\campmap\startpos. Place the N100x there, if everything is working you should see it when you try to start a new campaing. Now, your mission while testing the N1000/N1001 are divided into three parts:

1. Play as Spain, Expert-level. Secure the entire Iberian Peninsula as fast as humanly possible; including Aragon, Navarre, Valencia, Castile, Leon, Portugal, Cordoba and Granada. How long does this take? How many turns? Find that out. If it takes you 40+ turns abort mission and report in the good news. Do it twice to be on the safe side....
2. Play as Spain, Expert-level. How long does it take to annihilate the Moors completely out of the game? NOTE, in this mission it is not necessary to secure the Peninsula. If it takes you 40+ turns abort mission and report in the good news. Do it twice to be on the safe side....
3. Play as as the Moors and check out that there is no freezes or any other problems with the current experimental configuration. Play 5 turns, do it at least twice. If there is no problems at all abort mission and report in the good news.

Ok that’s all, get out there and do some fancy fighting then. I should be harder to "blitz-around" now. :knight:


- Cheers

Will that fix kill early saved games? It will otherwise end my Conquest for Spain.

I think blitzkrieg is typicly something you have to play with the unit size that is recruited in one turn.
I always play on HUGE, which makes blitzing harder.
For me the harder the better.

Hope the changes will not influence the balance of the game :juggle2:.

I actually was curious what would happen to the blitzers later in the game, when other factions have been building while they were fighting. Saracens always come up strong later.

That retreat bug is indeed really bad for the game. Even if you would have to fight a weaker enemy on the map, you would suffer casualties. Also battles in the desert are hard because of fatique normally. You can loose battle just because of that in the desert. The retreat thing by-passes all that. Also when you do auto-resolve (that's a MTW bug).

We will keep on battling your mod :viking: and you keep on battling the bugs :wizard:. Hehe!

Still a very good/fun mod.

Hi Axalon,

I think you are getting into dangerous waters here. I had a very brief look at the new file and saw that you have increased the rebellion of Moorish provinces. My problem with that is that for an AI controlled Spain, this might ruin the game. The Moors have been reported as a powerful faction (even though we know Redux can lead to different late game scenarios), and this would only make them stronger.

The problem is that you are trying to match the response of the AI to the response of a human player. We humans are much more resourceful and will take advantage of all possible circumstances, whereas the AI is anything but creative. Probably, the best solution will be to increase the recruitment time of the units so you cannot produce as many as you need to keep rebellion low rather than increase rebellion in all faction provinces.

In any case, I tried your file for a few turns. Cordoba has no troops originally, is that intended or a bug? I actually invaded Cordoba in the first turn, leaving a token unit in Castile and nothing in Leon. You can get the province without a fight, and neither Portugal nor Aragon will attack you. The problem being that loyalty is very low and a rebellion eventually starts (in my case 5 Moorish archers and 8 slave militia, which delays you a bit.

Joh

i have a better solution, raise the upkeep costs.
the low upkeep costs allows people to just produce massive amounts of troops, and keep them around for next to nothing.

:beam: A suggestion,bearing in mind I know little about modding:
One thing that sticks out is how Navarre seems empty or uncontrolled for years early on.
I was able to empty Castille of troops ready for the blitz on the Moors both times. Nothing in Navarre plus alliances with Portugal and Aragon left Castille with NOTHING to worry about :laugh4::laugh4:. Perhaps a significant starting force in Navarre might prevent Spain from being able to send all its regulars south to fight the Moors. Also perhaps you could make inns and peasants more expensive.

:oops:I forgot one thing;
The castles fall after one year usually; is there some way to increase their reserves?If they could hold out for longer, Spain would have to buy siege equipment or risk a castle assault.

Sorry for monopolizing this thread and the multiple posts but something occurred to me.
What is this deal with peasants anyway? I mean, they are ineffective in combat, but are cheap and good at increasing loyalty because of their numbers; nobody would buy them except to garrison provinces and increase loyalty. It doesn't make sense to me how daring rebels would tremble before peasants and therefore not rebel!! Why not get rid of peasants all together, forcing rather more expensive garrisons (eg 100 archers at 350 a time) or replace them with urban militia?
Just a thought - feel free to pull it apart:smash:

Hello guys and thanks for all the suggestions.

It certainly is way better to have a lot of suggestions to consider than none at all. This whole thing is of course very unfortunate and I REALLY wanted to do other stuff than working on this but it seems to me that I have little choice here (who else would fix it?). I can only fully sympathize with William who apart from myself have put in a lot of work with Spain. And then we got a similar situation for Cambovenzi as well so all this is unfortunate indeed.

Now, this is not in any way impossible to fix and I’m already well on my way to repair the Spanish situation. I have few tricks and moves that will secure a Spanish scenario that to a decent level actually complies with my original plans for Spain. I will devise a fix for all this and we will have this bug sorted out. Rest assured about that. :bow:

At any rate, I share Obliqueattacks views on peasants and they certainly are a part of the problem so I have already decided that I will lock ‘em down for all western factions and thus they will only be available to eastern factions. Another part of the problem is various mercenaries of course and I have already looked over that situation and there will be changes there as well. That way another and major part of the problem will be eventually be dealt with as well.

In other words, a fix for all these exploits and flaws is already in development and exactly how long that takes is hard to say at this point other than it will come. I have already discovered and devised various ways to counter the entire problem successfully to some degree and thus seemingly bypassing the hardcoded flaws to a noticeable effect.

My guess is actually that redux will come out strengthened of all this, as in at least the game it self will be much better (and in the Spanish case harder). Especially since various exploits will either not exist anymore or be a lot harder to trigger when I’m done with all my stuff. How things eventually goes, only time can tell of course but I do feel that some cautious optimism are warranted here. To my mind, there is no question about that what ever form the fix for all this will be, it will be a lot better than the flaws that we currently got. So, hang in there! Spain will return!


- Cheers
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William, please check the PM I sent you....
Obliqueattack, just a friendly suggestion but perhaps you should consider to "edit in" stuff next time? :mickey:

Hi Axalon

You asked me a while ago about my thoughts on mercs, and as you say above, they are a part of the problem (across MTW, and less so in Redux) in that they enable an exploit by the human player. My thoughts on this are
- you could make mercs rarer overall (easy to do, but it takes away some of the variety and fun randomness - so I don't favour it)
- you could make mercs rarer early on (this I do favour. The buildprod files now are built on the slightly odd (to me) idea that mercs should be rarer as you tech up - hence the minus values that go with advanced buildings and castle upgrades. Both gameplay and realism suggest the reverse should be true - advanced provinces should have more opportunity to use mercs than primitive ones. The medieval period was marked by the gradual shift from feudal armies owing say 60 days knights service to professional armies dominated by paid national troops and mercenaries. How do we achieve this in MTW? - simply drop the initial mercenary magnetism value of inns and play around with the other magnetism values so we get the right mix of gradually richer pools of mercs as knights commute their feudal obligations into taxes to enable the king to hire his troops. That ought to make blitzing with mercs early on a lot harder, as well as ticking my realism boxes!
- you could also make mercs more available to some factions, by linking magnetism to some buildings that only they have access to, for example if Great_Court became two buildings, one of them only available to the Byz. (This is more complex and less crucial to gameplay, so I don't push it as hard as my anti-blitzing suggestion above. But it does fit your redux goal of giving factions more distinctive characters)

I hope those are some useful ideas to feed in to your overall solution.:yes:

Is this a bug?

Has anyone notice how the male issues loose their status and become just small units after a few turns? It also happens in Pike & Musket and NTW, the princes are demoted to generals after a few turns. Is there anyway of preventing this?

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Originally Posted by Rick

Is this a bug?

Has anyone notice how the male issues loose their status and become just small units after a few turns? It also happens in Pike & Musket and NTW, the princes are demoted to generals after a few turns. Is there anyway of preventing this?

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That's something that is hardcoded in MTW.

Best thing to do is making sure the princes are married (arange marriage with foreign princesses for them), so after faction leader dies you'll get new faction leader that already has sons (princes).

If the air to the throne has no children, you'll have new faction leader with no children. That can lead to extinction :skull:, if he doesn't produce :girlslap: soon. Make sure you keep saves for if this happens.

Uncles become generals and that may be blessing, because some have good qualities for economy or general.

Thanks.

Ok guys, its time to keep your eyes open. I’m close to finishing up the Spanish Fix and I will release it soon (yes very soon).
Its time to kick this place back to life again and there has been enough beauty sleep here so its time to start posting and
get active in this forum again. More details on the release later.... :mickey:


- Cheers
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William thanks for you answering Rick....

SPANISH BUG KILLED!
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Ok guys, the Spanish Fix is now finally released! Thus the Spanish bug is now finally killed and probably will not bother anyone or Spain ever again (knock on wood)! It has been a lot of demanding work involved with this and it is with a bit of relief I finally make this fix available to the public (thus I can finally concentrate on completely other things). This “superfix” will not only counter the many issues and hardcoded problems with the Spanish campaign but also make several changes and improvements for the entire game.

More info and downloads over at the regular thread….


- Cheers
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Credits to Obliqueattack and Cambovenzi will be included in future releases. :thumbsup:

Over at the regular thread Markuzzi wrote....

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“I just tried out the Redux today and wow its pretty amazing. The game has a whole new feel to it. I have not read through every post in this topic but have read a fair share. Just today from playing I have had a few bug issues...

First, I tried English on expert and launched a crusade into Lithuania. When the the icon box of Sanctioned Crusade thing popped up I clicked the 'check' and it crashed. I tried a couple more times and it kept crashing, then managed to fail the crusade. Whenever I clicked the window--crash. Also this was my second crusade. The first one worked out fine.

So I thought I would try out the Spanish on Expert. All was good until a certain point where in I think it was 765 ad I click end turn and it crashes. I reloaded 2 saves and the auto save and it would crash at that point.

So just now I thought I would try out the Poles and got to around 734 ad and I click end turn and it freezes at "thinking"..

Im not sure if these are common problems or if I am missing a patch? But the game suddenly seems unstable for instance random crashes by hitting esc in game to bring up the menu. My plain MTW worked fine and I haven't even had a save corrupted yet. So I am not sure if that is what I am experiencing right now.

Either way great game mod I really like it and I hope I am just missing a patch or something.

I have MTW v1.1 + Redux 1.0b + Spanish Fix (a).

I think thats right? I saw the superfix thing but I think thats included in the 1.0B?

Any suggestions?”

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Well, over all I would say that you seem to have troubled relations to lady luck here. :laugh4: As far as I understand it, people usually don’t get much problems with redux and especially not with that kind of frequency! Maybe you should consider making an additional check up on your GFX or SFX drives? Have you changed ‘em lately? Do you have plain MTW installed now as well? So you can compare the stability thing I mean. Anyway….


First issue, I can’t replicate it thus it is not an issue with redux (I launched 3 English crusades and one was directed to Lithuania and there was no problems at all). Whatever is causing this is found and explained beyond redux. My guess is that it is a corrupted save (an original MTW issue then) – that is probably the most likely explanation for this problem.

By your description, the game appears not to be able to load a certain file and thus it crashes – probably a unit review pic or infopic (this will make the game to crash. This is also one of the typical symptoms of corrupted saves). So yes, it is probably a bug of some sort, but it has its origins from original MTW – not redux. Still you’ll have to put up with things like that since MTW is required to run redux… The only thing you can do is to do plenty of master saves – consult the included redux-“read me” on this, “known bugs” section.


Second issue, well I do have too little info to go on here so I can only speculate as for why the game appears to just crash. In my experience redux don’t just crash, believe it or not but redux is known to be unusually stable for a mod for MTW (especially so in the VI-version). And as always I do take stability and bugs very seriously. Now, since you are able to run some 60-65 turn without any problem before this happened I suspect that you picked up yet another corrupted save that creates a major snafu here. Otherwise all other redux threads and this forum here at the Org would drown in bug-isseus and that has not yet happened (so far at least).

As I said earlier, corrupted saves is sadly enough a thing that comes with MTW and thus it makes an impact on redux as well. The only thing you can do is to save often – especially if you are running a MTW v.1.1 (but also on a VI/V.2.01 version). That version is more unstable than VI/v.2.01 – thus you and all other people who use that version should be especially thorough in doing plenty of mastersaves as you play.

As for the escape button and that problem…. Well, it actually is the first time I ever heard of any such thing. There is a first time for everything I guess. Whatever is causing that is not to be found within the redux files – because if it were I would have experienced it myself at some point and I haven’t. Believe me I have used the escape button to last enough for 10-lifetimes in redux and I would have found that out long time ago if there was any such issues with that. Thus I wonder if it might possibly be your GFX-drives or possibly sound-drives that are cause problems in that sense? It strikes me as highly unlikely and I have too little information to really produce any decent answers for you on that. At any rate, it simply seems very odd that any such problems appear at all. If you can currently run MTW with no problems you should have even less problems in running redux. If this kind of thing first happen after lets say 50 turns/years it probably is a corrupted save yet again. One thing is for certain, corrupted games makes the game crash or makes the game to behave strange and weird. As in this case…


Third issue, this sounds like the multiple-rebellion bug to me (found in both redux and the original game. It is hardcoded and is especially frequent in MTW V.1.1). Redux uses higher/increased rebellion settings than the original. Now, the game can only handle a limited amount of rebellions at the same turn and within a certain factions territory. If that is more than 2 rebellions this bug starts to get active and will often cause the game to freeze – just like you described. Usually the current soundfile will get stuck in a kind of loop and the game will not progress at all from that point (so we must escape out and restart the game all over again). There is a way that usually works to get passed this juncture and that is to somehow limit potential rebellions and the risk for them as much as possible. If you can get it to only be 2 or less rebellions in your kingdom you should be able to make it over to the next turn. This is a thing that has happened to me plenty of times so it’s hardly rare in MTW V.1.1 and thus also redux. Just limit the rebellions – lower taxes, send in extra garrisons, use spies etc. and you should be able to advance to the next turn. There is an entry on this in the included redux-“read me”, see “known bugs” section. Check it out for additional info.


Ok, so far so good. If you like, check out the corrupted saves thread, and drop a symptom description over there if you believe it to be the case here (the first issue should be that at least). It helps me, you and all others for future reference you know.

Also, as you seem to have discovered we do have this debug area for redux, I would appreciate if you could direct all related bug-issues from now on to this thread. No harm done with your post over at the regular thread, but it makes things a lot easier if we all keep all the various redux stuff in their designated areas/threads. By all means post in additional info on the bugs but please do that right here from now on. As for general suggestions for you – more of the same essentially – save a lot…


Oki, hope that helped out some.

- Cheers

Hi guys,

I just wanted to let you know that I found few small bugs in MTW-redux 1.0b and that I am now aware of them:

• The pikemen charge animation appears to be missing so while charging they will look rather goofy.
• If I remember everything correctly, one(?) unit (can’t seem to remember which one, perhaps someone could help me with that one) don’t have their weapons or shield going in the game, possibly both.

Now, these will be fixed with 3rd ed. of course, but I would appreciate if you guys could report in all small such stuff like this so I can fix it for the next edition. So if you please, report in all typos (point were and what), various small bugs and errors you find and do it right here. Now sure is the time to do it in - so all such corrections can be included in 3rd edition of redux. You all earn credits for it of course.... :wink2:

Oki, that’s it for now.

- Cheers

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looks

["Warship_desc"]
.......................The main reason beeing that it is somewhat sluggish and slow."}

being

["merchant_income"]
{"Constructing this building would allow you to profit from the following goods that are currenly available."}

currently

["Trading Post_desc"]
........, but thre is a limit to the profit a trading post can generate."}

there

["Camel Trainer_desc"]
............. This is especially useful since horses usually hates the smell of camels,

hate

don't forget

["LightHorsemen_desc"]

They are impulse and undisciplined in battle,

change to impulsive

Hi Oblique,

Many thanks for you taking the time to get these typos straight, I appreciate it. I’ll make all the corrections ASAP.
Any other text that needs corrections? Anybody?

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Another hello to you Resistance, do enjoy the current version of MTW-redux (1.0b), now that it finally is installed
with all the right modules….

I’ve moved your posts to the appropriate thread (the install emergency) and it seems that you eventually figured
out what had gone wrong in your installation and thus it seems that the problem was solved. If there is anything
else, don’t hesitate to post it (at the right places of course :laugh4:).

- Cheers

A small correction:

After adding the Russian faction, I counted 9 factions to play with. The wording on the introduction still mentions 8. I am not sure if the Russian fix can change it dynamically.

Medieval Total War Battle Collection w/ Expansion Pack Viking Invasion.
Redux version VI/v. 2.01

Playing Russia on Easy

During the game I conquered PEREYASLAVL province, just about KIEV. The province says ...Steppe Archers...gain +1 valour bonus. I trained a Steppe Archer and it had a valour of 1. I then built up to an Archer's Guild for another +2 volour, and trained a couple of Steppe Archers expecting to see them with a volour of 3. When I looked at them they were all 1s.

I checked the Boyers in MUSCOVY and they got all there bonuses and come out of training with a valour of 4.

Hello Mark,

Thanks for reporting in and thus trying to make redux even better. Now, that’s actually not a bug. It should be all in order; Russian Boyars and Steppe Archers are connected to the bowyer-building which gives max a +2 in valor, not the Archery Range-building (which is only connected to Slavic Foresters for the Russians, I think)…

Thus relevant units should have 3 in valor as their training is completed (with the region-bonus and maxed out buildings). If your steppe archers don’t have that, you have not maxed out the bowyer building. Russian boyars might possibly get more then that due to the Horse Breeder-building as well – that might be. I don’t know that for sure as I write this…

Oh yes, before I forget; the Russians is a bonus faction that comes only with the VI-upgrade – they are not standard. The text is valid for default redux SPC’s hence it only mentions 8 playable factions. The Russians are optional, that’s why only 8 are mentioned, I think it might be stated in the VI-upgrade “ReadMe” or something.

Enjoy the game… :wink2:


- Cheers
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Feel free to post up a pic/screenshoot and share some of your experiences with the Russian campaign if you like
(max 800x600, for bigger pics use spoilers or thumbs, that’s my guidelines around here). As is, the best place for
it would probably be “the new player”- section (you should probably also mention the difficulty level and size-settings
as well since these things do matter).

Thank you Axalon for your reply. That does help a lot.

Axalon

One small bug - no picture when, as Spain, I got a message telling me construction complete on a chapel

One "maybe it's not a bug but looks a bit weird to me" - the dust that troops kick up on battlefield definitely looks purplish

Playing as the French, I also had a missing picture on completing a Chapel.

Having played a quick mission (Spanish 100 men + 2 champions vs heap of Moors - or similar) on a bridge map, I have two more small niggles:

- I find the water in the river to be too bright a shade of blue. It probably shouldn't even be blue, rather brown/green/grey.
- the command icons at the top have lost some of their clarity / definition on being changed to green. I would prefer the original MTW red background.

Edit: Christian Shrine is also missing a picture upon its completion.

Thanks guys for reporting this in …

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Originally Posted by western

One small bug - no picture when, as Spain, I got a message telling me construction complete on a chapel

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Noted & logged… Thanks…

There is a correct file located in: “…\Medieval - Total War\campmap\Info_Pics\Buildings\Coloured”. Use that if you want to fix it temporarily on your own.

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Originally Posted by western

One "maybe it's not a bug but looks a bit weird to me" - the dust that troops kick up on battlefield definitely looks purplish

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I get this in raw MTW as well – so whatever it is it is not Redux. My guess is that the rendering lights on the battle-map are red/purple and that is what shows in the smoke.

Dismissed… Sorry…

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Originally Posted by Plato

Playing as the French, I also had a missing picture on completing a Chapel.

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Thanks for confirming Wes findings… I think it will be that way for all catholic factions. I can replicate this one myself as well (as Spain).

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Originally Posted by Plato

- I find the water in the river to be too bright a shade of blue. It probably shouldn't even be blue, rather brown/green/grey.

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I guess we are entering the realms of preference here. At any rate, the texture stays, the color of it – well… If you got some shade/color that just rocks in the game for me too then I will use it. Post samples of colors (a simple square will do, or manipulate the file directly – do a backup first) that you think will work better and I will examine it. If others have opinions on this - now is good time to voice them (here)…

Possible case… River color, Arid…

- I fear that you might have views on all river-colors and I can say that same thing applies for all. What is for absolutely certain are that I won’t be using one color for them all.

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Originally Posted by Plato

- the command icons at the top have lost some of their clarity / definition on being changed to green. I would prefer the original MTW red background.

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Noted… They might possibly be improved and I might look in to this. They probably won’t be the old red if changed – possibly brown, grey or another sharper and distinct version of black possibly (you can always change it on your personal copy of redux, using the original files). The green “radioactive” light is likely to stay, it is very useful in MP-battles and I did put it in there to make “checked” and “unchecked” buttons to stand clearly apart – which is the whole point. Again, if others have opinions on this - now is good time to voice them (here)…

Possible case… Formation-buttons improvement (battle-map).

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Originally Posted by Plato

Christian Shrine is also missing a picture upon its completion.

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Noted & logged… Thanks… (Replicated).

There is a correct file located in: “…\Medieval - Total War\campmap\Info_Pics\Buildings\Coloured”. Use that if you want to fix it temporarily on your own. Seems to be a re-occurring problem here with the folders. My guess is that everything that is defined with cultural distinctions somehow - "Catholic" for instance - will have similar problems. That is a guess, as i write this...

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I found some minor stuff on my own…

1. Wrong portraits for pagan druids (in Bishop-folder), they lack the “golden frame”. Correct ones can be located in: “…\Medieval - Total War\campmap\Portraits\Catholic\Bishop”. Copy a paste over to the pagan folder, to fix it…

2. The unit “Scottish nobles” have the wrong info-pic… I will fix this eventually…


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EDIT: Found another one…

3. The uniticon for CataphractRegiment is missing in battle. To fix it, go to “…\Medieval - Total War\Battle\UnitIcons” – change file “CataphractRegiment.BIF.LBM” to “CataphractRegiment.LBM”…


More as they come, I guess....

- Cheers

River colour
For each of the land types, is the same texture used for both rivers and seas? I set up a battle on DesertCoastal1 and the ocean looked quite idyllic as it lapped the sandy shore.


Framerate
Not having the most modern of rigs, but still more than adequate to run vanilla MTW, I am wondering how to improve my framerate in big battles. My PC specs:

Athlon XP 3200+ (32bit, single core)
2 x 1Gb DDR 400
Radeon X800 XT PE

MTW Options:

Unit size: Default
Battle resolution: 1280 x 1024
Performance: smoke and ambient fauna both ON
Sound: high quality with Hardware

There was no problem in the small, early skirmishes (up to 500 soldiers on each side), but there was a serious loss of smoothness at 750 v 750. However 1400 v 1400 (including reinforcements) didn't seem to be much worse. Could it have been the terrain: this was in the mixed hills and mountains of Burgundy and Milan?


Info pages
Are you able to change the text on these? I have spotted some strange phrasing, most memorably "Rouge Knights". Unless they are given to wearing ladies' blusher they should probably be Rogue.

From my experience one core Athlon XP is not enough for mtw. Check the cpu load. Always 100%. Video ram can limit your framerate too (if lower than 256mb). Even small 1vs1 battle eats @90-100mb of ram. Biggest can eat up to 300mb.

This is the original MTW we're talking about?! According to the Readme, the ideal config is:

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1.2 GHz or faster processor
256 MB or more RAM
8x or faster CD-ROM/DVD-ROM drive (with maximum install)
1.7 GB free hard disk space plus space for saved games
Fast 64 MB Direct3D capable video card

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I've reduced my resolution to 1024 x 768. 16-unit-a-side battles are now playable even with all other high performance options being on. Smaller battles are super-smooth.
I should also have mentioned that I'm using a virtual drive rather than inserting the game CD. That undoubtedly has some impact, but I assumed it would only be loading times that are really affected.


@Axalon
There were a couple of unit support costs that struck me as being out of scale:

Foot Knights (20 men) - - - - - Purchase: 400 - - Support:25
Feudal Footknights (40) - - - - - - - 800 - - - - - - 50

When compared to:

Feudal Knights (40 + horses) - - - - 925 - - - - - - 30

I've made several tests few weeks ago so it's not a guesswork or just my opinion. 64mb video ram and 1.2 GHz processor is far from being "ideal" for MTW. Previously, I tried mtw on very similar configuration as yours. As I said, 100% cpu load and frame rate drops are very clear signs that your processor is too weak. Now, I'm using Core2Duo E4500 (2.2 GHz overlocked to 2.9), Radoen X800 256mb and 4gb ram (winXP SP3 32-bit). Of course, MTW utilizes only one core with fluctuating load about 70-90%. This setup is nearly ideal for mtw (if I found x800/850 card with 512mb ram it will be ideal). All battles have 60 fps non stop (60Hz is deafult refresh rate of my LCD monitor).
As you said, virtual drive may have only a little impact on loading times.

btw If someone has 3gb or more ram and want to shorten loading times - the solution is ramdisk. All battles and MTW itself loads in a second. It's especially effective for modders. Searching for a phrase through 2gb of data normally takes more than a minute. When you have all files on the ramdrive - 4-6 seconds. Beware! - RAM is volatile so making a copy of your work/saves is a must.

Sorry for this little offtop.

Hello guys...

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Originally Posted by Plato

River colour
For each of the land types, is the same texture used for both rivers and seas?

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Yes... Also, be aware that textures show up slightly differently in color "in-game" due to various colored rendering lights on the battle-maps there. As in what shows in - say Photoshop - is not exacly the same what we get in Redux/MTW.

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Originally Posted by Plato

I set up a battle on DesertCoastal1 and the ocean looked quite idyllic as it lapped the sandy shore.

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Same ‘ol terms apply, show me a better alternative and I’ll use it…

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Plato

Framerate
Not having the most modern of rigs, but still more than adequate to run vanilla MTW, I am wondering how to improve my framerate in big battles. My PC specs:

Athlon XP 3200+ (32bit, single core)
2 x 1Gb DDR 400
Radeon X800 XT PE[/INDENT]

MTW Options:
Unit size: Default
Battle resolution: 1280 x 1024
Performance: smoke and ambient fauna both ON
Sound: high quality with Hardware

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Change to medium quality and no hardware mixing. That should fix it. My primary “MTW-PC” got the same GFX-card (with 4.8 catalyst drivers, Win2000), same Ram, but a CPU Intel P4 2.6 GHz. I did a 4 army x1600 men solo battle – no problem. BTW, there is an entry on this problem in the “known bugs”-section in “ReadMe”…

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Originally Posted by Plato

Info pages
Are you able to change the text on these? I have spotted some strange phrasing, most memorably "Rouge Knights". Unless they are given to wearing ladies' blusher they should probably be Rogue.

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:laugh4: ...That’s what I get for trying to spell! It’s obvious that the descriptions need some double-checking, corrections & reading… Are you up for it? Others are of course also welcome to help out here. I can’t offer much beyond the usual, a credit in the game, goodwill and gratitude. I’ll give credits to any people who report in valid typos and errors etc. etc.

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Originally Posted by Plato

[B]
There were a couple of unit support costs that struck me as being out of scale:

Foot Knights (20 men) - - - - - Purchase: 400 - - Support:25
Feudal Footknights (40) - - - - - - - 800 - - - - - - 50

When compared to:

Feudal Knights (40 + horses) - - - - 925 - - - - - - 30

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Noted & Logged… Obvious slip-up. Thanks…

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Originally Posted by Stazi

Sorry for this little offtop.

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Staz, the stuff is still relevant and interesting here in some regards.

On general terms however, please folks, do try to avoid sidetracking threads or posting non-relevant stuff in the Redux-area. The Redux-area/forum is, and is supposed to be, about and what concerns Redux somehow – as the name implies.



More as they come...

- Cheers

Hi Axalon

I was getting a recurring problem in year 793 playing as Italians. I end year, a message comes up telling me that my fleet has been defeated in Tyrhennian Sea (by Saracens or Russians) and then game sticks on the "taking moves" message - it happened 3 times in a row. On the fourth, I removed from building queue the only thing due to complete that year - a shipyard in Venice replacing one previously destroyed - and the sticking vanished. Very odd - shipyard can be built there, and I built it a year later no problem, so I don't know what was going on. I will keep an eye out for anything similar.

Moorish Coast has Algeria as a neighbour but no border with it. Granada has a border with Moorish Coast but isn't a neighbour. So I think Algeria and Granada should be switched in the Moorish Coast neighbours list. (The neighbour entries the other way round - ie Land to Sea - look right)

Hello Wes and thanks for the bug-reports…

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Originally Posted by western

I was getting a recurring problem in year 793 playing as Italians. I end year, a message comes up telling me that my fleet has been defeated in Tyrhennian Sea (by Saracens or Russians) and then game sticks on the "taking moves" message - it happened 3 times in a row. On the fourth, I removed from building queue the only thing due to complete that year - a shipyard in Venice replacing one previously destroyed - and the sticking vanished. Very odd - shipyard can be built there, and I built it a year later no problem, so I don't know what was going on. I will keep an eye out for anything similar.

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Weird… Beats me. All relevant files seems to be in order and folders, thus it certainly seems to be yet another engine-related issue. I am guessing the MTW have a problem loading the SFX-file for building-completion or something.

There is an entry in “known bugs”-section (in Readme) that does mention similar symptoms. My guess is that it is some of that. Just to make sure, have you used any building cheats or something like that? All requirements go to hell and thus things usually gets screwed up onwards.

I know as much as you do on this Wes…

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Originally Posted by western

Moorish Coast has Algeria as a neighbour but no border with it. Granada has a border with Moorish Coast but isn't a neighbour. So I think Algeria and Granada should be switched in the Moorish Coast neighbours list. (The neighbour entries the other way round - ie Land to Sea - look right)

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Noted & logged… Correct, Granada should/will replace Algeria in the MOORISH_COAST (Barbary coast) entry… Thanks.



More as they come...

- Cheers
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BTW, I think that both you and I have waited long enough on the camel-issue over at the
regular thread, so I will get back to that shortly and it will get resolved there. People have
had their chance - the camel-zone will shrink somehow.

My edit of unit descriptions is attached. Also had a look at Names.txt

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@{"the Friesians"} //Reduxed! Used to be: Swiss

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needed a capital F. Also "the Flemish" appear twice in that list, if that's important.


Finally, Tooltips.txt seems not to have "is/are" corrected for changed products

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@["tradable_goods_intro_tooltips"]
@{"Perfumes are produced here and may be used in trade with other nations."} ////////////////////// Used to be: Glassware Value:40
@{"Wood is processed here and may be used in trade with other nations."} ////////////////////// Used to be: Wood Value:20
@{"Furs are produced here and may be used in trade with other nations."} ////////////////////// Used to be: Furs Value:40
@{"Amber is produced here and may be used in trade with other nations."} ////////////////////// Used to be: Wine Value:40
@{"Dyes are processed here and may be used in trade with other nations."} ////////////////////// Used to be: Wool Value:30
@{"Spices are processed here and may be used in trade with other nations."} ////////////////////// Used to be: Silk Value:40
@{"Textiles are processed here and may be used in trade with other nations."} ////////////////////// Used to be: Cotton Value:30
@{"Wine is processed here and may be used in trade with other nations."} ////////////////////// Used to be: Linen Value:30
@{"Wool is produced here and may be used in trade with other nations."} ////////////////////// Used to be: Wax Value:20
@{"Glassware is produced here and may be used in trade with other nations."} ////////////////////// Used to be: Honey Value:40
@{"Salt is processed here and may be used in trade with other nations."}
@{"XXXXX are produced here and may be used in trade with other nations."} ////////////////////// Used to be: Hides Value:30
@{"XXXXX is processed here and may be used in trade with other nations."} ////////////////////// Used to be: Butter Value:20
@{"Pottery is produced here and may be used in trade with other nations."} ////////////////////// Used to be: Pottery Value:30
@{"Saltfish are processed here and may be used in trade with other nations."} ////////////////////// Used to be: Saltfish Value:20
@{"Ivory is produced here and may be used in trade with other nations."} ////////////////////// Used to be: Spices Value:50
@{"Gems are processed here and may be used in trade with other nations."} ////////////////////// Used to be: Gems Value:50
@{"XXXXX is produced here and may be used in trade with other nations."} ////////////////////// Used to be: Sugar Value:40
@{"Silk is produced here and may be used in trade with other nations."} ////////////////////// Used to be: Dyes Value:50
@{"XXXXX is processed here and may be used in trade with other nations."} ////////////////////// Used to be: Ivory Value:40
@{"Olive oil is produced here and may be used in trade with other nations."} ////////////////////// Used to be: Oliveoil Value:30
@{"Grain is produced here and may be used in trade with other nations."} ////////////////////// Used to be: Grain Value:30

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Some verbs other than the basic "produced / processed" could be considered: spun, mined, harvested, plentiful, cut, pressed, etc.

Axalon

This one is a bit similar to previous. Khazar and Georgia are in the list of neighbours of Black Sea when they shouldn't be - neither has a border with it

A mistake on my part in one of the unit entries, the superfluous clause can be removed and the last semi-colon made into a colon:

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["MuslimLightInfantry_desc"]
{"These are irregular formations of lightly equipped Muslim warriors; as a unit; they are not a reliable force nor very well suited to anything other than desert warfare. If faced with a tough Christian foe outside the desert there is little hope for them: expect these men to break and flee.... "}

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It's probably an artifact from original MTW but Border Forts combined with fleets give overseas intelligence, ie. with Border Forts on the coast it's possible to view details of anything your ships form a chain to.


The cheapness of agents might need revisiting: I was the victim of a magnificently evil move by the Aragonese when they sent five travellers into Aquitane - the happiness immediately plummeted by 70 percentage points! I don't mind the AI doing that sort of thing, but wish they had to pay more than 250 florins for the privilege. Mind you, the assassins to deal with them were better value for money as they can kill one traveller a turn.

Axalon

Serbia shown as neighbour of Ionian Sea but it doesn't have a border with it - whereas it does have a border with Adriatic Ocean without being its neighbour

Hi and many thanks guys...

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Originally Posted by western

This one is a bit similar to previous. Khazar and Georgia are in the list of neighbours of Black Sea when they shouldn't be - neither has a border with it

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Noted & Logged... Correct, these shall/should be removed... Thanks.

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Originally Posted by western

Serbia shown as neighbour of Ionian Sea but it doesn't have a border with it - whereas it does have a border with Adriatic Ocean without being its neighbour

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Noted & Logged... Right, replace with “ID_IONIAN_SEA” instead… Thanks. ...Any others?

Dismissed: All this is in order, due to the rearrangement in sea-zones redux has... It is not a bug...

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Originally Posted by Plato

My edit of unit descriptions is attached. Also had a look at Names.txt needed a capital F. Also "the Flemish" appear twice in that list, if that's important.

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Roger that and triple thanks, I will use it... Regarding Flemish x2 - nah, it is not important (to me at least) but thanks for pointing it out anyway - thorougness is always good.

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Originally Posted by Plato

Finally, Tooltips.txt seems not to have "is/are" corrected for changed products
Some verbs other than the basic "produced / processed" could be considered: spun, mined, harvested, plentiful, cut, pressed, etc.

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Have some more thanks. Yeah, i will consider it (and apply correct grammar)...

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Originally Posted by Plato

A mistake on my part in one of the unit entries, the superfluous clause can be removed and the last semi-colon made into a colon:

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Roger, I will use the new correction...

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Originally Posted by Plato

It's probably an artifact from original MTW but Border Forts combined with fleets give overseas intelligence, ie. with Border Forts on the coast it's possible to view details of anything your ships form a chain to.

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Flagged for observation… Due to likely internal inflexibility in MTW this circumstance can probably not be changed if we want the border forts to also be able to potentially catch enemy agents (which to me is the primary function) – a trait which in my book supercedes the “overseas intelligence”-bi effect. If it turns out that we can indeed get that circumstance without the bieffect – I will change it. It would be a nice supprise to me.

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Originally Posted by Plato

The cheapness of agents might need revisiting: I was the victim of a magnificently evil move by the Aragonese when they sent five travellers into Aquitane - the happiness immediately plummeted by 70 percentage points! I don't mind the AI doing that sort of thing, but wish they had to pay more than 250 florins for the privilege. Mind you, the assassins to deal with them were better value for money as they can kill one traveller a turn.

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Flagged for observation… In essence, let’s not be hasty and gather more reports and Intel on this matter before making any changes – if any…


Plato...

I would suggest that you also have a look a the building descriptions as well (same file) since I fear that those might very well also be littered with errors, typos etc. here and there. I leave it up to you, it is just a suggestion here.

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Keep it up guys, doing a good job. More as they come...

- Cheers

There is a missing link between Moorish Coast and Afrika Coast - Moorish has Afrika as a neighbour but not vice versa

Sardinia omitted from Ligurian Sea list of neighbours

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Originally Posted by western

There is a missing link between Moorish Coast and Afrika Coast - Moorish has Afrika as a neighbour but not vice versa

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Noted & logged... Insert link...

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Originally Posted by western

Sardinia omitted from Ligurian Sea list of neighbours

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Noted & logged... Add Sardinia as neighbour... Thanks Wes.

- Cheers

Attaching my edit of the buildings descriptions.

I do have a quibble with one: the Master Swordsmith which apparently "grants a weapon quality bonus to any unit trained here". Is this really true? Does it appear in some way that is not shown on a unit's info scroll? Does it really apply to any unit not just swordsmen?


Update:
I forgot to update the entry for "Western Tower 1" - this should be a cut-and-paste job from "Desert Tower 1" or "Guard Tower 1".

Hi and many thanks Plato….

I will use the file. As for the swordsmith, it only concerns sword-troops, I’ll make corrections if needed in text.

Furthermore, I have been checking up on rivers and it is messier then I remembered it to be. It’s all a virtual dice-game as to what color the river/water-textures actually end up with in the game. “Precision” is hardly the word for it. Anyway, I am on the case - somewhat anyhow… Essentially, I’ll get back to you on this note.

- Cheers

Malta omitted from neighbours of Gulf Sidra

Also, Tripolitanian rebels still show as Maltese rebels

Noted & logged... Thanks Wes.

- A

It looks like Tripolitania port should be on Maltese Channel (which fits actual location of Tripoli) but neighbours list puts it actually on Gulf Sidra

Not sure if you count this as a bug but Egyptians have no SetTreasury entry and Russians no StartLeader

I made the corrections of post:54 and 55, thanks again Wes…
(Check post:46 for correction and dismissal).

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List of bugs and errors killed...

• Map-connectivity: Moorish Coast – Algeria --- Link deleted
• Map-connectivity: Moorish Coast – Granada --- Link set
• Map-connectivity: Moorish Coast – Africa Coast --- Link set
• Map-connectivity: Sardinia – Ligurian Sea --- Link set
• Map-connectivity: Khazar – Black Sea --- Link deleted
• Map-connectivity: Georgia – Black Sea --- Link deleted
• Map-connectivity: Black Sea - Khazar --- Link deleted
• Map-connectivity: Black Sea - Georgia --- Link deleted
• Building descriptions: Corrected
• Unit descriptions: Corrected
• River textures: Improved all terrains…
• Battle panel buttons: Improved…
• Unit Battle Marker: Cataphract Regiment fixed
• Unit Battle Marker: Rogue Knight fixed
• Unit Info Pic: Scottish Nobles fixed
• Strat-map ship: Pagan ship-piece fixed
• Build completion pic: Chapel fixed
• Build completion pic: Shrine fixed
• Mercenary cost: Improved…
• SetTreasury: Saracens… Fixed
• Place Russian leader: Fixed
• Place Lithuanian leader: Fixed
• Malta Links: Fixed order… Malta Channel first…
• Tripolitanian Rebels: Set to “Tripolitanians”

Many thanks to Western and Plato for helping out here;
well earned credits are included in RXB1001…


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This formally concludes the bughunt in Redux Beta 1000, as the 1001-version
enters service it replaces the previous version and makes it obsolete. From this
post and onwards, the bughunt is thus now restricted to the RXB1001-version.

- A

The first one for RXB1001; building-descriptions, “Western Tower 1”… It should be:

"Guardtowers are usually set up at key strategic points within a province. As a rule, they maintain a small garrison to deal with local troublemakers and outlaws; in short, maintaining local order. The military value is limited however, since they can hardly check an advancing army. +2% Stability."


More as they come…

- Cheers

Hi. This mod just got me to try MTW again after a year or more.

I just started out and see a lot of improvements you have made, but I am wondering about the watchtowers(guardtowers). I do not get information on troops in nearby provinces after building the towers.
I do not know if that is intended or not.

Anyway, thanks for your work.

Yes, that is how Watchtowers work in this Mod. You don't get intelligence on neighbouring regions until you have upgraded them four times - to Border Forts (which will take another 17 years and quite a bit of money, off the top of my head).


@Axalon
Beta 1000 - problem with Frisia / Helgoland
Admittedly not the latest version, but I haven't seen this mentioned in the list of fixes. I can't use naval convoys to move an army TO Frisia. Agents can come and go as they please, and armies can leave by sea but they don't seem to be able to land there.

Hi guys,

TauNine…

Thanks and welcome to the Redux-area. Feel free to share your Redux-experiences or discuss with other players on their experiences as your play the game. Questions, answers, thoughts or whatever - feel free to participate here (after all, that is the purpose with this place). Anyhow, do enjoy the game… :)


Plato…

I have checked it and you are right, there is an entry on the relevant sea-zone missing – RXB1001… Thus I’ll have to go “Noted and logged” on this… Thanks…

- Cheers

Hi, thanks.

It seems The Norse can recruit druids from a stone circle, but not if it is upgraded to a great henge.
In the description of the guardtower (Level 1) I would change "halter" to "halt".
Some cavalry descriptions say "devestating charge", which I would spell as "devastating charge" (Maybe that is from ordinary MTW...).

Ok, thanks.

Hello TauNine…

Great henge...
I am sorry but I’ll have to dismiss it. I’ve been able to get the druids on both versions as the Norse. As I can not replicate this reported issue – I have too go dismissed on this…

Guard Tower1...
“Halt”… Works for me… Any other stuff? Anywhere?

Devestating...
It should be spelled devastating - you are absolutely right. That is a valid error… Thus, noted & logged… Thanks man.

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Other minor stuff found in RXB1001:

• The HRE has an old faction-description from 2nd Ed that should not be there. Valid for VI-version only (it will be removed next update/patch)....

More as they come….

- Cheers

MTW VI 2.01 + Redux 1001 + VI patch

Moors and Saracens are not able to recruit emissaries.

Noted & logged... Thanks Staz.

- A

Not sure if you would call this a bug or not?

Apparently when you edited Changes.txt the View Battle Replay option was deleted. It was an easy fix to add the text back in there for it to function again.

Hello Madden,

Nah its no bug. I removed it in 2nd ED due to my fears of the thing would cause troubles – it turned out that it did not. However I have yet to “officially” put it back in Redux. I might do that one of these days – still it is easily accessible with the cross-thingy anyhow (consciously in 3rd ED betas).

- A

hi,

another prob: ´cos I got stuck with the norse game due to questions above, I tried something new. Installed MTW 1.1 with redux to my "working machine" with quite some newer hardware (core2duo 2,66: ATI 4650, 2GB RAM); got the problem of CTD while entering and/or leaving battle map. I do remember that axalon wrote something about the screen with the red progress thing making problems, but because the search funktion is, sorry, quite crappy, didn´t get results I was looking for. Therefore the question:
How can I avoid this nuisance of having to quicksave (and restart game) before/after every battle, concerning really only that loading screen?!?
thanks in advance,
daigaku

Hello Daigaku,

What OS is this? Is this problem happening straight from start (new game) or does it get like this after a while? Anyways, I would spontaneously suggest a change of drivers for GFX-card.

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Hi Axalon,

goes crashing straight away - if I get into the battles (those running fine), on exit - CTD....if not, it already crashes with the loading image with the red indicatorthing growing

Specs: WinXP SP3, Driver for 4650 is "catalyst-version" 09.4

any idea?

good to see you back,

daigaku

Hi man and thanks,

Hmmm.... Obviously XP is not the most optimal OS for MTW there was, it has long history of screwing things up - and that in numerous ways... My guess is that there is something within the files that your XP-configuration really hates and can't handle. Don't have a clue what that may exactly be. I think your best option so far is still to change drivers as I think those are the culprit here. Catalysts 9.5 functions on HD4800-series and Redux (XP32bit), so try those or later drivers. You are probably stuck with this for as long as you do not change drivers.

- A

Hi Axalon,

don´t remember 100%, but didn´t you write somewhere about exactly this loading screen making problems? and being solved by deleting or changing some files? Am not really sure, but something was there somewhere I was leafing thru the forum...

daigaku

btw, is it normal in 1.1 that you don´t see anything in foreign provinces, even with ships and ports everywhere? Haven´t played 1.1 for ages and simply forgot...

It does not ring any bells for me - if it is about any file-changes, Redux should already have all those in place essentially...

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btw, is it normal in 1.1 that you don´t see anything in foreign provinces, even with ships and ports everywhere? Haven´t played 1.1 for ages and simply forgot...

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Yup, pretty much... You need agents for that in Redux (usually anyways)...

- A

Hi,

this catalyst 9.5 - do I have to do all this driver cleaner thingy or is enough to install over the old one? just found it after some search...

daigaku

aftermath: uninstalled 9.4, installed 9.5, tried to battle - instant CTD.. :-(

Alright, try some Catalysts 11+ (just install them on top), if that don't work, I'm inclined to say that it looks like that particular system (or rather GFX-card on XP-drives) won't play ball. I'm fresh out of ideas....

- A

Hi,
new 12.3 installed and worked till now. Lag of 1-2min loading, but then stable (4 battles in row)

Happy about being able to play 1.1 with Princesses ;-)) and battles on my other machine....

Thanx a lot for advice, help and general good feeling

daigaku

Hey Axalon,

just stumbled over something new: Those various reduxed morale/stability/happiness - buildings do give quite different bonuses in 1.1 and 2.1. Was that meant that way?

greetings from happily playing along

daigaku

Hello @daigaku,

You are right - for the watchtowers…. On castles and “Mercenary magnetism” as well, and I have fixed both for RXB1003… I guess it is a “noted & logged” on you – the very last for RXB1002… It really was in the "eleventh hour" to be included in RXB1003 – but the corrections were made – and I managed to squeeze in a credit as well for you due to that stuff… Again, thanks...

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Hi Axalon,

..just experienced something strange: Had set (my old machine) the "AGP aperture size" down to 4MB, in the game put the "AGP memory" to 0 and had a battle (about 2000 men) - and didn´t get choppy!

am quite tired now (getting those saracens who HAD owned half the map in line is WORK) but will verify tomorrow and keep reporting!

greetings daigaku

Hi to everyone,

here are some good news. As some might know already, I´m playing M:TW/VI and, since only a short time, redux on a rather outdated rig. Solved battles for over ten years with a total of beyond 400-500 men by autocalc ´cos of poor performance of my graphics. Now, playing redux, got fed up with loosing only ´cos of mere numbers, knowing that 20 Norse Bodyguards can slaughter about 500 never-mind-what when put into forest ;-))
Specs of my "stone age machine":
PIII/850 with slotket on Abit BH6 (BX-Chipset), Nvidia GeForce2 TI with 64MB RAM, 512MB System RAM, and two 40GB HDDs running Win98SE, Gameplay with 1280x1024 Strat/Battlemap res, smoke, fauna, pyro...
AND I FOUND A WORKING SOLUTION FOR PLAYING M:TW ON SUCH A MACHINE, EVEN BATTLES WITH (till now max. tried) ABOUT 4500 MEN!! NO LAG!!!

In BIOS, set "AGP APERTURE SIZE" to smallest amount possible (in my case 4MB) or, if an option, disable.
In game, "OPTIONS/PERFORMANCE" set "AGP MEMORY" to "0".

It seems to me, the rather slow system memory is the bottleneck for performance. Since I´ve done that, I can play my battles like on my newer machine(Core2Duo 2,66, 2GB RAM, ATI RadeonHD4650 1GB), but without the "usual" CTD....

So for all desperate about hardware incompatibility with newer machines this could be interesting.

greetings,

a happy daigaku

@ Axalon: Will install 1.1 to another partition to get those girls, girls, girls I so appreciated with the other install on the newer machine...and of course will keep reporting!

greetings daigaku

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Obviously XP is not the most optimal OS for MTW there was, it has long history of screwing things up - and that in numerous ways...

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Hi Axalon

What/which in your opinion is the most optimal OS for MTW?

Best regards
Victor

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