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In a time when an Empire defined a people, it was the Romani who stood out above all. It was the Romani who civilized the Guals, the Germanic beasts, and constructed Hadrians Wall to keep the Britannian tribes at bay. It was the Emperors and the legions of Roma who destroyed the myths of Carthaginian military might. The Romani...who marched to all four corners of the Mediterranean to secure an Empire that would mark their place in history for Eras to come.

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Beyond the Seven Hills

In the year 272, Rome's might was yet to be seen ,however, it is made of the small settlements expanded from the 7 hills called home by the legendary figure and founder of Rome, Romulus. Just over the mountains to the north, warring Gaulic tribes wait for their chance to strike. To the south and across the Adriatic, the Carthaginians and the Epirote Greeks prey on the small Republic. And all across the known world...enemies may lurk.

So I bring you a new RPG game in RTW:EB. This will be much like LotR or WotB Each player will role-play a General, a Senator, or another prominent member of the young Roman Republic. On joining the game, each player will choose an avatar to represent this member. Avatars can be 'family members(FM)' or recruitable generals(RGB).Players are reminded that due to limitations imposed by RTW, only avatars on the family tree will be able to marry, have children, and have a chance of becoming Heir to the Dictatorship and Dictator of Rome.

This is not a finalized thing as I am still talking things out with the Mods, but I'd like to know who may be interested or hear any suggestions. THANKS!

Rules are as follow:
RTW with the 1.5 patch
Europa Barbarorum v1.1 (RGB's will be used)
Hard Campaign, Medium Battles
Large (Possibly Huge) Unit Size
Show CPU Moves Off
Battle Timer Off
Manage All Settlements

Wait - can you elaborate?

Do we just choose a random Roman FM picture and create a persona? If so, where can you get them?
Can we pick one of the Romani starting characters?
Shouldn't this be in Gameplay Guides and AARs?

Seems interesting, I'm in.

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Originally Posted by desert

Wait - can you elaborate?

Do we just choose a random Roman FM picture and create a persona? If so, where can you get them?
Can we pick one of the Romani starting characters?
Shouldn't this be in Gameplay Guides and AARs?

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If you would like...go to the Throne Room and check out LotR or WotB they are great games which this one will be just like with obvious factional differences, go there and you will see how things get done with these rpg style games.

Dammit, looks like I've got no choice.

Holy shit, that's confusing. Anyway, I'll join. Will this be in a subsection of the Throne Room as well, then?

What will the required version of EB be? Unmodded 1.1? Unmodded 1.2? Make that clear, please.
Hard Campaign, Medium Battle and all that. What about unit settings? Huge, I hope, with roleplayed numbers.

and so on...

Yeah I'll give it a go. It will be my first RPG on these forums though...If you can just do some updates to the ad Navarro...

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Dammit, looks like I've got no choice.

Holy shit, that's confusing. Anyway, I'll join. Will this be in a subsection of the Throne Room as well, then?

What will the required version of EB be? Unmodded 1.1? Unmodded 1.2? Make that clear, please.
Hard Campaign, Medium Battle and all that. What about unit settings? Huge, I hope, with roleplayed numbers.

and so on...

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Okay went ahead and updated with rules and such...sorry guys not using 1.2 as some changes have already been made in setting up the game and i dont want to do all of it again.

Yes if i get an approval it will probably be a sub in the Throne Room.

And also people these games are actually easier then you can imagine, its progressing that's tough at times. Just check out the WotB and LotR their rules are very similar and its great fun so im still looking for any takers.
Wotb
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=262

LotR
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/forumdisplay.php?f=256
Note: LotR can look a lot more confusing, but it is a different Era concerning different ways of doing things so it can be tough but everything in life takes a little thought. WotB I find easier to catch onto.

How many do you want till you start? Because we can always start small and have more join later.

O absolutely if we can only get the starting FM's its okay because then it will be easier to gain fame (i Hope) and after that i will just generate generals and well be on our way!

A question - after looking at WotB, I am confused about who controls offspring. Like, if Person A becomes Roman Romanus and has a kid, and that kid comes of age, who controls him? The dungeon master - excuse me - navarro? Some other guy? Does Person A get to control Romanus's children himself?

Yes all "Avatars" not taken by an actual being are controlled by the "Game Master" (yes that's me) but if he is your Avatar, he is virtually untouchable by anyone else including me. If you (your character) has a son it may be worked out that he will become your "aid" and you can then control him if you would like. However to have aids you must be claimed owner of a province which in BtSH will be called a "Provincial Dictator" and you will be aloud to have 5 aids actually who can form a house around you to better your prominence in the game as civil war is a possibility. If you are not in the Royal Family, you will earn your way their by gaining a Man of The Hour (in combat most likely) and if the benefactor accepts you and adopts you, then that player may begin having sons as well.

Sure, I'm in.

Is this going to be a game played in turns moderated by a game-master?
Sounds great, if I knew more I'd probably join

Will we elect people to public offices during senate sessions?

In that case, will only consuls and praetors get to lead field armies?

How do we represent all the hundreds of senators and their effect on decisions and policies in the republic?

I get my new laptop tomorrow (finally I'll be able to play on "huge")... so once I have EB up and running again, I would definately love to join

Yeah, I'd say you've picked a hard one with Rome Navarro. I don't in any way wish to put you off, just looking for answers really. How will the mechanics work with senate offices and such? Because I was looking to become a general, but if only consuls and praetors can lead armies, what becomes of generals?

@desert: I would say the votings easy; its very well portrayed in Maions 'From Basileion to Arche' (obviously Makedonian but it contains a council). You can check it out, or, simply, the game master or senate leader or whoever puts forwards the laws, decisions and the such like, and the participants simply vote one way or another. I know not as many senators will be shown, but the concept works.

Navarro, hope we start soon, looking forward to it.

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A question - after looking at WotB, I am confused about who controls offspring. Like, if Person A becomes Roman Romanus and has a kid, and that kid comes of age, who controls him? The dungeon master - excuse me - navarro? Some other guy? Does Person A get to control Romanus's children himself?

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I can tell you that in WotB the offspring will stay in some city(capital most likely) and will wait some player to play them. Either totally new player or a player who have lost his current avatar.

Yes, but what I mean is that there are hundreds of senators, and only a relative handful of participants. I guess we could just give them the Synedrion (TM) treatment and let navarro describe the general mood of the AI senators when appropriate.

Sure, this seems interesting. One thing though, would this involving sending in orders like the Holy Roman Empire game, or passing the savegame around? It would certainly make the game go faster if two or three (active) admins just processed orders instead of having to pass a savegame around, and it also allows us to use a more up to date BI-EB or even Alexander-EB setup, as well as using EB 1.2 even.
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=82780 is what I'm referring to with the Holy Roman Empire game.

I'd be up for this if you decide to go with 1.2 instead.

My questions is, if it has to be huge units... If you go large I might joing, the thing is, my computer isn't handling huge unit size full stacks very well on the battlefield...

The other thing I'm watiing for is rules... TO be sure if I like to join I'd need to know the rule setup for this game...

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Will we elect people to public offices during senate sessions?

In that case, will only consuls and praetors get to lead field armies?

How do we represent all the hundreds of senators and their effect on decisions and policies in the republic?

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Well obviously RTW poses many restrictions if we had 100 players sure thered be 100 senators but no its a game for fun and seriousness at times but we( the real players ) will be the ones doing the day to day "senatorial" when the game is set up, there is a very organized and to the point rule book so join up and im sure you'll learn right on....i did when i joined WotB and their system works fair and fine.

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I get my new laptop tomorrow (finally I'll be able to play on "huge")... so once I have EB up and running again, I would definately love to join

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Ok well quick note to all you hopefull "soon-to-be-members" the "huge" units are still only a possibility it may only be large as i want all to get a chance to play but these games are still plenty fun trust me.

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Yeah, I'd say you've picked a hard one with Rome Navarro. I don't in any way wish to put you off, just looking for answers really. How will the mechanics work with senate offices and such? Because I was looking to become a general, but if only consuls and praetors can lead armies, what becomes of generals?

@desert: I would say the votings easy; its very well portrayed in Maions 'From Basileion to Arche' (obviously Makedonian but it contains a council). You can check it out, or, simply, the game master or senate leader or whoever puts forwards the laws, decisions and the such like, and the participants simply vote one way or another. I know not as many senators will be shown, but the concept works.

Navarro, hope we start soon, looking forward to it.

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hey and thanx i cant wait either (talking with mods as we speak) but anyway yes when you all get a chance to read the rules trust me it will all work out. but yes Legatus's and Dux's will lead armies and be able to also hole a senatorial status which will be voted upon. Again i would like everyone to view WotB or LotR in the throne room to see how this all works. Simple stuff really and great role-play fun for you fans!

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I can tell you that in WotB the offspring will stay in some city(capital most likely) and will wait some player to play them. Either totally new player or a player who have lost his current avatar.

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For the most part...this is how offspring will be handled as well but their are little options or "loop-holes" i suppose if a player wishs to try and seek them. :beam:

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My questions is, if it has to be huge units... If you go large I might joing, the thing is, my computer isn't handling huge unit size full stacks very well on the battlefield...

The other thing I'm watiing for is rules... TO be sure if I like to join I'd need to know the rule setup for this game...

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Well if any player here who would like to play TRULY needs to view a set of rules, PM me an email and i can send you a Microsoft Word Document that contains all the info you may want to see!

If it's not too late, I'll also join; though I'm unsure whether my computer is able to handle huge unit sizes, large might be ok.

Oh I would join this but between WotB, my AAR, my own campaigns, and real life things such as work and the old lady...

Perhaps if you had posted this when WotB finishes....

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Oh I would join this but between WotB, my AAR, my own campaigns, and real life things such as work and the old lady...

Perhaps if you had posted this when WotB finishes....

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ya well it will take time to get the sub forum up TinCow is being real helpful but even says be patient.
maybe by then you will be freed up a lil more.

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If it's not too late, I'll also join; though I'm unsure whether my computer is able to handle huge unit sizes, large might be ok.

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again, huge units may only be a possibility it will probly be large...i want all to be able to play.

Does it matter if its 1.1 or 1.2? I didnt think the gameplay was altered enough to change players' experiences. And will it be everyone using EB or just a select few with savegames, echoing Victor1234's question, which I think went unnoticed, if not answered.

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Does it matter if its 1.1 or 1.2? I didnt think the gameplay was altered enough to change players' experiences. And will it be everyone using EB or just a select few with savegames, echoing Victor1234's question, which I think went unnoticed, if not answered.

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It will 1.1 as of now i may go to 1.2 but i know some people still have on-going games or AAR's or what have you with 1.1 so for now im sticking with 1.1 to gather more players but we will see. Everyone will get take a turn to use the save through a "passing the save" form. If you would like to see what i mean go to : https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=107464

For any of those who wanted to see how a "senate" plays out in this game, go to this forum as WotB's council is in session. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showt...107549&page=14

ok Im in, when do you we start?

Its been 11 days since we've heard anything...maybe he forgot..or dropped it

sry guys mods are finalizing right now but i have all your names so id say in a week things will be on track and thanks for the interests!

should we start posting our characters?

Oh good to hear from you Navarro. Got worried. You realise it's Christmas in a week right?

And i echo Adams question

The characters will be given when i have created them and im aware so it may be more like two weeks but obviously these things take time but i hoping to see some progress!

Well the Rules and FAQ page is up, game will be starting soon so check them out before i get things started. In time we will be given a throne room sub forum.

Game Rules and FAQ

this all sounds really complicated.

A question on character creation. So we can't make our own character. We are esentially given from in game. Is that right?

Yes you will have choices from many generated generals in which you will view their traits and retinue before you choose them. This will allow you to base how you will role-play your character in senate meetings and such.

ah ok. your probobly gonna want to start me off as a tribunus because I really suck

well mostly everybody will start there cept for people who get a Family Member position. The first Congressional Council will decide the rest of the higher positions.

awesome. I can't wait

oh woot. sounds rather like WotB, I'll probably join once it's ready

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oh woot. sounds rather like WotB, I'll probably join once it's ready

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Funny that. Did you read the first page at all?

I think I like the idea of choosing the characters rather than having to think of all the characteristics ourselves, but I think it may sometimes work better if we can implement a bit of ourselves into our characters; makes it a bit more natural. But I'm sure that will be easy to work around.

I agree with Adam, again; I'd probably want to start low and try and work my way up higher. But considering that, will there be character deaths and absenses and the like? This would open up pathways to promotion or temporary command posts, and would also create a bit more skill and intrigue, as certain characters may, if the opportunity presents itself, try to send rival characters to some distant land. Or even at the extreme, try to kill of the character. If this was to happen, it would need to be practised very infrequently and skillfully, and be carefully controlled. Real life punishments to the character must exist; for example, if one character is found guilty of ordering another characters' death, they themselves may be condemedto death.

I just feel paths like this would give some depth and insight to the many levels of diplomacy, intrigue and the Senate. If you think this is a good idea, can you implement it?

Yes the role playing part of this game is very much the funnest part and things can get as hot as civil war between players.

Update!!!: To Prove to the mods we can get this game going and maybe earn ourselves a sub-thread, the game will start its first three "trial years" on a first come first serve bases with just the Family members. I will take faction leader. There are four avatars open including faction heir so HURRY!

BtSH sign up thread

Is no one else going to sign up?

its a holiday week so give it some time...plus gives me time to get the Senate Library up and the Reports and things ready to go.

You have a lot of work to do...can I help in any way?

Btw...isn't the initial Roman FL really old, like, dying in the first year kinda old? If your giving away the faction heir to any player, who are you gonna be?

We are on our way and there are three new characters to choose from checkem out read the rules, give me a shout and i will sign you up. Rules and Sign Up

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