Battle cries

So, which do you look forward to hearing?

I have a feeling, which I am roughly %92.35 percent certain is right, that the British will be shouting something along the lines of 'King and country!'

I'm hoping the Russians get a nice, deep, and well voiced "UUURAH!", because it really just isn't a proper Russian charge without that.

So, anybody happen to know any other famous battlecries which might (hopefully) be implemented?
Besides the ever popular "lets all go get our throats cut, lads!", of course :tongueg:

I'm guesing the French might say something along the lines of long live the king. As for the Americans, maybe something less inspiring like no taxation without representation.

I expect certain things may be yelled by officers and their men during battle, but nothing akin to the war cry feature of previous titles.

For Britain something like "Hip!Hip! Huzzah! Hip!Hip! Huzzah! Hip!Hip! Huzzah!"

HUZZAH!!!

Wikipedia says: In the 18th and early 19th centuries, three "huzzahs" were given by British infantry before a charge, as a way of building morale and intimidating the enemy. The book Redcoat: The British Soldier in the Age of Horse and Musket by Richard Holmes indicates that this was given as two short "huzzahs" followed by a third sustained one as the charge was carried out.

I hope that CA chooses some interesting battle cries, not like "CHAAAARGE!" for every faction. I liked Scotland in M2TW, they were fun on the battlefield.

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Originally Posted by ConnMon

I hope that CA chooses some interesting battle cries, not like "CHAAAARGE!" for every faction. I liked Scotland in M2TW, they were fun on the battlefield.

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CA have confirmed that on the battlefield each faction will respond in it's own native language. That means we should see a nice variety of different battle cries.

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Originally Posted by ConnMon

I hope that CA chooses some interesting battle cries, not like "CHAAAARGE!" for every faction. I liked Scotland in M2TW, they were fun on the battlefield.

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Hopefully the Scots get some interesting battlecries. They better have some to go along with the famous Kamikaze Scotsmen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es0t50H44IE

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Originally Posted by Sheogorath

Hopefully the Scots get some interesting battlecries. They better have some to go along with the famous Kamikaze Scotsmen:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es0t50H44IE

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that'd be mackamikaze :beam:

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Originally Posted by Mailman653

I'm guesing the French might say something along the lines of long live the king.

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La Roi! La Payes! La France! (or something like this)

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Originally Posted by Sir Beane

CA have confirmed that on the battlefield each faction will respond in it's own native language. That means we should see a nice variety of different battle cries.

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Each faction? Probably just the "playable" factions. :shrug:

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Originally Posted by Megas Methuselah

Each faction? Probably just the "playable" factions. :shrug:

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I would hope they'll at least do regions for the non-playable factions. It would be rather silly for people in Morocco or Persia to speak Turkish, or for people in the Crimean Khannate to speak Russian.

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Originally Posted by Sheogorath

I would hope they'll at least do regions for the non-playable factions. It would be rather silly for people in Morocco or Persia to speak Turkish, or for people in the Crimean Khannate to speak Russian.

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Silly, but very, very likely given CA's past history with accents. Like Meth said, all the playable factions will have their own language, but I doubt all the the minor ones will do. I expect we'll see one language for all of the Native American tribes, one for all of the Indian factions, one for all the baltic factions, etc.

But atleast it beats the odd Australian accent popping up here and there. :laugh4:

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Originally Posted by Sir Beane

Silly, but very, very likely given CA's past history with accents. Like Meth said, all the playable factions will have their own language, but I doubt all the the minor ones will do. I expect we'll see one language for all of the Native American tribes, one for all of the Indian factions, one for all the baltic factions, etc.

But atleast it beats the odd Australian accent popping up here and there. :laugh4:

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I don’t much like to point fingers, but the bad accents we all complain about were out of the Australian facility.

To a cretin degree that makes it more understandable, but some of it was serious ignorance at the very least. Poland and Denmark sharing the same accent? What was that?

Being based in the UK, this iteration has access to almost any language or accent. They can even have Bavarians and Austrians different to the rest of the Germans…and the Swiss of course. I doubt that we get each province will have it’s own accent but it would not be so hard to give each faction theirs. Especially Bavarians and Austrians CA!



It may be that it was safer to go with the native languages so that you didn’t have to worry about the Pole or Lett who had an Irish-English accent vs. just an English one…:laugh4:

I sure hope they remembered that Washington was from Virginia as opposed to Boston! That would make me scream!:furious3:

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Originally Posted by Fisherking

I don’t much like to point fingers, but the bad accents we all complain about were out of the Australian facility.

To a cretin degree that makes it more understandable, but some of it was serious ignorance at the very least. Poland and Denmark sharing the same accent? What was that?

Being based in the UK, this iteration has access to almost any language or accent. They can even have Bavarians and Austrians different to the rest of the Germans…and the Swiss of course. I doubt that we get each province will have it’s own accent but it would not be so hard to give each faction theirs. Especially Bavarians and Austrians CA!



It may be that it was safer to go with the native languages so that you didn’t have to worry about the Pole or Lett who had an Irish-English accent vs. just an English one…:laugh4:

I sure hope they remembered that Washington was from Virginia as opposed to Boston! That would make me scream!:furious3:

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Poor Aussies. :no: All us Europeans must sound the same to them. :laugh4: It would certainly explain some of the innacuracies in Med 2.

I'm really looking forward to hearing the Swedish accent, and the Scottish.

BTW, no offense to any Australian Orgahs. I really like the Australian accent, I would appreciate it in TW games if it weren't so out of place.

ROFLMAO! You of all people know that the typical British accent is also out of place in past games!

That vowel shift was in the 1820s or 30s wasn’t it?

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Originally Posted by Fisherking

ROFLMAO! You of all people know that the typical British accent is also out of place in past games!

That vowel shift was in the 1820s or 30s wasn’t it?

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Between 1200 and 1600 actually, it was over quite a Long time period. Although language has changed considerably constantly throughout it's history.

Pretty much all of the accents in Rome and Medieval were innacurate, simply because nobody spoke then like they do now. It would be extremely difficult for a modern english speaker to understand an english speaker from a few hundred years ago.

For instance eggs. Eggs used to be known as eyren, and the word 'eggs' was completely unknown. And meat used to be a word used in general to apply to any kind of food. So not only does the accent change, but the words change meaning as well.

A good example is the word 'nice'. Nice used to mean 'not-knowing' or ignorant. Describing someone as nice would have been an insult a few hundred years ago. :laugh4:

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Originally Posted by Sir Beane

Between 1200 and 1600 actually, it was over quite a Long time period. Although language has changed considerably constantly throughout it's history.

Pretty much all of the accents in Rome and Medieval were innacurate, simply because nobody spoke then like they do now. It would be extremely difficult for a modern english speaker to understand an english speaker from a few hundred years ago.

For instance eggs. Eggs used to be known as eyren, and the word 'eggs' was completely unknown. And meat used to be a word used in general to apply to any kind of food. So not only does the accent change, but the words change meaning as well.

A good example is the word 'nice'. Nice used to mean 'not-knowing' or ignorant. Describing someone as nice would have been an insult a few hundred years ago. :laugh4:

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That is all true! And at the same time is when S became the plural form for most words…it was closer to German before. Ei (eye) is egg and Eir is eggs (the Germans droped y from most words and changed it to I at some time. )

But I’uz talken bout when ‘mericans an English started talken different. Them Arsh folk never did change too much en to only way to change a Scottsman is wiff a gun but them Englishmen shore did…started sayen stuff like toe-moto fer maders an daaunce fer dance. They plane sloughed the way a was pronounced an messed up a whole bunch more sounds in the offen…started sounden all hauty an such.

That thar hillbilly speech in Apilachian Americia is thought to be what Elizibathen English sounded like!

I hope they make the Swedish accent muppet style :p

Aweenda shmure da froog's legs! Bork, Bork, Bork!

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Poor Aussies. All us Europeans must sound the same to them. It would certainly explain some of the innacuracies in Med 2.

BTW, no offense to any Australian Orgahs. I really like the Australian accent, I would appreciate it in TW games if it weren't so out of place.

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Ah, she'll be right mate. Can't understand you yobbos when ya spinning a yarn anyway. Gimme a swag, some damper by the billabong.

Maybe a nice shiela too.

I have heard that during the American Revolutionary War, that the Colonials Used Huzzah! While the British had moved on to the more modern Hurrah!

Anyone know if it is so? At any rate I know the Americans did use Huzzah!

I thought the rebels used Yahhooo or yeehaw?

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Originally Posted by KozaK13

I thought the rebels used Yahhooo or yeehaw?

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Are you talking about a Rebel Yell?

That was a bit beyond this game, in 1861 and nobody is quite sure what it sounded like…but it must have been frightening by all accounts….it unsettled the Yankees quite a bit.

I ment the war of independance, i thought yehaww or variations thereof are what was shouted at the british and proved effective.

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Originally Posted by KozaK13

I ment the war of independance, i thought yehaww or variations thereof are what was shouted at the british and proved effective.

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Well Americans got that cheer from some where, and they still tend to shout it for some reason.

I have never heard an explanation of its origin though.

Where did you hear it from?

...brainiac...a basic attempt to see the most effective war cry...they said yeehaawww was an american independance fighter battle cry, and it also provoked a bigger reaction than hazzah..

though everything is an evolution of something, yehaww could well have come from huzzah.

It may have started as an Indian war cry too

Yeeeeeeeeee HaaaaaaaaaaWh

Yep! Pretty scary!

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Originally Posted by pevergreen

Ah, she'll be right mate. Can't understand you yobbos when ya spinning a yarn anyway. Gimme a swag, some damper by the billabong.

Maybe a nice shiela too.

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Its when people dont realise this sort of language is a joke that i start to get worried.
In regards to battle cries, i would love to see a few random/funny ones, akin to the 'mad general' speeches from rome.

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Originally Posted by Fisherking

I have heard that during the American Revolutionary War, that the Colonials Used Huzzah! While the British had moved on to the more modern Hurrah!

Anyone know if it is so? At any rate I know the Americans did use Huzzah!

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Really? I'd never heard of the Yankees using Huzzah, it was still in use by us Brits back then, I would be offended by any mention of the rather camp Hurrah.

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Huzzah does seem to retain its British association into the 19th century.
I found that its origin came from a Mongol war cry of similar sound.

Yeeha only seems to be associated with cowboys or the Rebel Yell, which it most certainly is not, despite what Hollywood may want you to believe.:no:

In researching war cries I did come across the following: :book:



The French soldiers (XVII-XVIIIth cent., when Montjoie Saint-Denis was no more used) were using during battle "Pour le Roy et pour la France !" (For the King and for France).
The French soldiers under the rule of Napoleon, particularly the cavalry men, used during their charges "Vive l'Empereur !" (Long live to the Emperor).
In Sweden, during the Great Nordic War, the Swedish Caroleans, would chant "Med Guds hjälp vilja vi strida" (With Gods help, we want to fight) before going into battle.
During the Great Nordic War, Finnish cavalrymen in Swedish service, Hakkapeliittas, shouted "Hakkaa päälle!" (Have at them!) when making their charge.
The Ottoman Turkish armies used to cry out "Allah! Allah! Allah!" when charging foes, which gives the same sound as Alala cry of ancient Greeks.

Another of importance; screams traditionally made by Scottish Highlanders when making a Highland charge during battle. At the Battle of Killiecrankie "Dundee and the Chiefs chose to employ perhaps the most effective pre-battle weapon in the traditional (highland) arsenal - the eerie and disconcerting howl," also "The terror was heightened by their wild plaided appearance and the distinctive war-cry of the Gael - a high, savage whooping sound...." Also earlier documentation during the Roman conquests of Britain suggest the use of a particular yell uttered by the northern Celtic tribes of the region, in conjunction with wearing blue woad body paint and no clothing

The various Gaelic-speaking peoples have a long tradition of employing battle cries. One used by the Irish people is "Faugh a Ballaugh!" (correctly Fág an Bealach!)), Irish for "Clear the way!" The O'Neill family motto is the Irish "An Lámh Dhearg Abú", in English "The Red Hand" — the heraldic symbol of O'Neill and Ulster — followed by "Abú," which is phonetic and can only be translated at high volume. "Tiocfaidh ár lá" is another cry used, primarily by the Irish Republican Army, which translates into "our day will come" in reference to that organisation's desire for Northern Ireland to secede from the United Kingdom and join with the Republic of Ireland as a 32-county socialist republic. It has become the unofficial slogan of the Irish Republican movement and is sometimes shouted as "Beidh ár lá linn", or "We shall have our day!"
some Scottish clans have war cries in addition to their motto, slogan, or rallying cry:-
Clan Mackintosh: "Loch Moigh"
Clan Urquhart: "Trust and go forward"
Clan Munro: "Caisteal Folais'n a Theine" ("Castle Foulis in flames")
Clan Forbes: "Lonach" (a mountain in Strathdon)



I hope you feel a little more informed than bored.:sweatdrop:

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Originally Posted by Fisherking

Are you talking about a Rebel Yell?

That was a bit beyond this game, in 1861 and nobody is quite sure what it sounded like…but it must have been frightening by all accounts….it unsettled the Yankees quite a bit.

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Here's a clip of veterans at the 75th Gettysburg anniversary in 1938 demonstrating the Rebel Yell...

rest of anniversary page

From Dickson's excellent eye witness account of the Scots Greys at Waterloo -

"All of us were greatly excited, and began crying, 'Hurrah, Ninety-Second! Scotland for ever!' as we crossed the road."

... "They were all Gordons, and as we passed through them they shouted, 'Go at them, the Greys! Scotland for ever!'

Clearly we are forgetting a very important battle cry.

One which rallied a people from a time of hardship, a time of darkness. A time when things were uncertain. Where friends, allies and enemies all jarbled together. When release dates loomed. When uneasiness about delays grew stronger. When one resounding chant lifted into a audible sound that could not be stopped.

"DEEEEEEEEEEEEMMMMMMMMOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO


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Originally Posted by Calmarac

Here's a clip of veterans at the 75th Gettysburg anniversary in 1938 demonstrating the Rebel Yell...

rest of anniversary page

From Dickson's excellent eye witness account of the Scots Greys at Waterloo -

"All of us were greatly excited, and began crying, 'Hurrah, Ninety-Second! Scotland for ever!' as we crossed the road."

... "They were all Gordons, and as we passed through them they shouted, 'Go at them, the Greys! Scotland for ever!'

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It is tough! There are so many descriptions of it , and most of them differ.

There is everything from a Rabbit’s Scream to a Comanche War Whoop and a hundred other descriptions along the way.

I’m thinking that every Division and perhaps even Regiments had a different yell but all to gather were just known by the collective name.

The one you site sounds like a high pitched yahoo followed by a couple of wolfs cries. That fits some descriptions but by no means all of them. I have heard that it was a panther scream also. Not exactly something everyone can do without a lot of practice.

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William Howard Russell, war correspondent for The Times describes the rebel yell as follows: “..the Southern soldiers cannot cheer, and what passes muster for that jubilant sound is a shrill ringing scream with a touch of the Indian war-whoop in it.”

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Not surprising as the most of the early colonials officers with experience were veteran Indian fighters.