A Suitable Husband

Hello!
Quite often I get redicoulous "Suitable" husband offers. I thought I would share one of them. It would be nice, if you, guys, could post some of yours. And actually if you could post some really suitable husband offers - that is those without quotes, for contrats, would be great too :)
Here's mine:
https://img518.imageshack.us/img518/...oke1by4.th.jpg :laugh4: - Not only is he a poor farmer and trader, but guess what - he's also very "young", and certainly must be terribly attractive! :laugh4:

Phffft! That screenshot is obviously photoshopped! No general of mine gets to be that old! :laugh4:

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Originally Posted by Gaias

Phffft! That screenshot is obviously photoshopped! No general of mine gets to be that old! :laugh4:

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Not at all!!!! It is 100% authentic, and I was obviously asking for authentic screenshots and stories too. I frequently get such suitable husbands who are between 55 and 70 yo. 75, I must admit is quite rare.

One must ask why your faction leader's daughter would want to marry someone who scares children...

Who said she wanted kids.

Poor girl:wall:

That has got to be the oldest suitor I have ever seen.:laugh4:

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Originally Posted by Gaias

No general of mine gets to be that old!

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Once in BI I had a general that reached the age of 91 with no reloading of save games.

I've had a 78 year old marrying a 50 year old daughter (I also had another daughter becoming an eldery spinster).

The guy died the next turn.

I also once had a general go over 90 (starting general for the Ptolemaion on Kypros).
My FM's often reach well into the 70.

Oh, that's not ridiculous at all. He's old and an idiot, but he's nobile (gens Fabia, wow), may be rich and will die soon. He's even to old to touch your daughter ;-) Let her marry him and get his money and his slaves *G*

I get these 'suitable husbands' too almost every turn! :wall:

It's because I don't marry those daughters when they are 12 and when they finally are some 30 they start gettingthese 50-.. year old guys whit terrible traits as their suitors!!:furious3:
That's why I only accept MotH offers. At least that way I can get a nice capable general!

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Originally Posted by Mediolanicus

My FM's often reach well into the 70.

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My FM's almost never go beyond 65. Those who do die at about 68. Usually they die at 60-62.

The suitors in EB are still a lot better than the ones in vanilla RTW. At least they have some traits now. In vanilla I would often get FM's with no traits at all.

The problem is, once you have a huge empire it is hard to get all the ladies married, because you can't get several offers a turn, so sometimes you have to reduce your requirements. Then it can be not that bad if the suitor is so old, because you get one girl married, have a slight chance of a child being made and soon you'll be rid of the old, babbling loser again ~:)

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Originally Posted by Lysimachos

The problem is, once you have a huge empire it is hard to get all the ladies married, because you can't get several offers a turn, so sometimes you have to reduce your requirements. Then it can be not that bad if the suitor is so old, because you get one girl married, have a slight chance of a child being made and soon you'll be rid of the old, babbling loser again ~:)

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Indeed. Once I get about twenty or thirty years into a campaign, I'll accept any offer I get. I'll still sometimes get the message of women passed child bearing age, or whatever it is.

^ditto, I've also got a crisis, my family tree is full of unmarried women over 40. And yes, I get absolutely idiotic proposals, too. Had a 75 year-old Dull/Uncharismatic/Langurous propose to my daughter once :inquisitive:

Hmm, i always except a candidate even if he's is a idiot/ dirty old man/ whatever. Love in EB is blind just like in real life :P

Meh, kid grows up without a father figure and becomes a opium dealing gangster. He would be the original OG.

I find generals who never do anything live to be the oldest. If you have a general who is constantly on campaign from the ages of 30-55 (when i retire them from campaigning) they usually die before they hit 60, even though they have huge amounts of command, influence and management and reside in cities with good health buildings and whatnot.

Whereas if you leave one as governor as soon as he comes of age up until he dies, no matter what city you put him in, he'll last well into his late 70's.

That would be very realistic. Campaigning for 25 years can have adverse effects on anybody's health. Living a life of relative idleness wouldn't.

I too had over-70 husbands, however I don't remember if the oldest was 75 or 78.

Yeah Dayve, I've seen that happen with Chermonides. However, my best general that I keep on constant campaign usually can live til his 70s only to drop dead in retirement. I've always felt really bad to keep them campaigning until they died so I usually retire them when they hit their golden years.

I did have my last Spartan general with a Spartan bodyguard in a KH campaign live until he was 68. I think I kept him the field too long since he never got a 'age' trait beyond 'middle-aged.' The other Spartans died fighting the Macedonians so he had to take revenge on them. He took the last settlement and killed Perseus of Macedon and promptly died of old age in between turns.

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Originally Posted by julius_caesar_the_first

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Originally Posted by Mediolanicus

My FM's often reach well into the 70.

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My FM's almost never go beyond 65. Those who do die at about 68. Usually they die at 60-62.

The suitors in EB are still a lot better than the ones in vanilla RTW. At least they have some traits now. In vanilla I would often get FM's with no traits at all.

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Just to illustrate my luck.. My current Romani Faction Leader just reached 70 (which is not exceptionally old...).

Cnaevs Cornelivs Scipio Asina Africanvs

Has been elected Consul for 9 years in a row now!


https://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e...tionLeader.jpg

Wow, but he's quite an impressive fella :yes:

sorry,

I cant resist mentioning that in the ancient world noble marriages had nothing to do with personal attraction or even personal choice. These men are being offered because they would strengthen the political or financial positionor their family/tribe.... and the young ladies in question would know all their lives that they would be matched off at a suitable age with anyone their parents chose for these reasons... they would then be expected to provide children for dynastic reasons with whoever they were married to, so I dont see why the age or character of the proposed husband would matter at all.

In some parts of the world arranged marriage is still widely accepted so I am a little surprised at the comments earlier about age and suitability.


cheers,


Pobs

The age thing is a human touch. A 13 girl should not be forced to marry a 30+ year old guy. Plus in my campaigns I want my generals to be as young as possible anyway, so it has a practical side too.

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Originally Posted by Mooks

The age thing is a human touch. A 13 girl should not be forced to marry a 30+ year old guy. Plus in my campaigns I want my generals to be as young as possible anyway, so it has a practical side too.

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You are right, they should not at all. But I agree with Pobs, that ancient people had another understandig of ethics, so a man from those ages would tell you, that a noble girl at this age should not be unmarried. Of course to a rich, old and mighty man...

True roman there Mediolanicus! What I liked in his traits is : Office of Pontifex Maximus and Hates the Gods :laugh4:. The guy should hate his office.

What was the age that Romans/Greeks accepted as suitable for a girl to get married? I know they were quite young, but never actually noticed what age it was. Also maybe there is any details on what age girls in celtic/germanic/getic tribes married and what was the age in the East?

i think it depends on their status. Maybe girls from lower levels of society were tendetially married younger than nobile ones.

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Originally Posted by SwissBarbar

Maybe girls from lower levels of society were tendetially married younger than nubile ones.

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Yes, it is a pun. Sorry, I couldn't resist...

@Mediolanicus: The funny thing is even with that trait list, he's still needs that Arrogans(sp) trait to qualify for Augustian Reforms.:laugh4:

What... did most of your campaigning generals died before they hit 65?

I usually get my campaigning general high command stats, and they got scarred traits too.... and most of them hit 90++...... (is there really a savegame bug?... i heard that sometimes...)


The best suitors that comes to my daughters is 39 years old guy, he had natural genius trait, and some good command traits...... (total 5 command, 7 management, 3 influence).... too bad he had scarred traits first...... but he marry my 12 years old daughter.....

Just out of curiosity: has anybody had an FM that reached the age of 100 or beyond?

If he's too old, I reject the offer. No use for old geezers without proper armour and virility.
Otherwise, I take nearly everyone - give him a tutor, put him in a city with good educational system, let him stew there for 10 years ...very often I get a quite decent governor, sometimes even a general. If he still remains a complete failure, he might be used for border patrol duties including the toils of building watchtowers and forts or for banzai-charges against rebel stacks. (Yes, I like role-playing with FMs). I think it is quite nice to have a stack of replacement rulers in case the older generation kicks the bucket en masse. Plus I get the feeling that the requests for marriage drop significantly if you reject suitors too often. But when I can afford it, i.e. I have enough pure-blooded FMs, I usually reject only the first offer, if the guy is a complete loser, and normally, the next suitor is of better quality. But I NEVER NEVER accept anyone who is disloyal: Might be an enemy in disguise...

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Originally Posted by delablake

But I NEVER NEVER accept anyone who is disloyal: Might be an enemy in disguise...

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But as far as I know the loyalty trait only appears a turn after you accept a suitor. It only appears automaticly for sons coming of age.

@julius_caesar_the_first
I once got 107 years old, KH general (the one with Spartans)... just save the game when he is 65, exit EB, play EB the next day, load the savegame, and he will be wandering out until he reach 90 and more (but most dies at 93 or 94).....

but now I roleplay the 80++ generals the soft way.... they will govern a peaceful, mostly remote heartlands or islands, with all their retinues are given away for their nice, young grandchild (roleplay to tutoring the youngsters)...... that shares the very same city...... (for the purpose of inhibiting sudden revolt when they passed away)

In EB I also never get a suitable husband, but I always take the dull ones, because they can become great supervisors or generals. By the way my oldest general in Vanilla got 98. The makedonian Faction leader you start with. In Eb I never got one past 64. :furious3::furious3:
You just cant move generals around cause they always get tired or on his deathbed etc.. I guess it shortens their live span

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Originally Posted by Cute Wolf

What... did most of your campaigning generals died before they hit 65?

I usually get my campaigning general high command stats, and they got scarred traits too.... and most of them hit 90++...... (is there really a savegame bug?... i heard that sometimes...)


The best suitors that comes to my daughters is 39 years old guy, he had natural genius trait, and some good command traits...... (total 5 command, 7 management, 3 influence).... too bad he had scarred traits first...... but he marry my 12 years old daughter.....

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What game are you playing? A suitor with command traits already? You must've been really lucky, or maybe using a mini-mod I don't know about.

seienchin: on the contrary, my best campaigning general is now 64. He dies if I leave him for as much as one or two turns in a settlement. I found that he last way longer if he's on the move.
So if the lifespan is hardcoded, how come there's a significant lifespan difference between vanilla and EB?

I don't think there is a difference. At least I didn't see any change from vanilla to EB. The age at which my FM's died was 60-65.

But there is something strange. In my fist ever installation of RTW my FM's would consistently reach the age of 70. In later reinstalls I got to my current age limit.

Yep its hard not to feel "fatherly" toward the young women of your faction. I hate marrying them to guys twice their age.

Is there not a lot of info on marrying ages in the EB period? I know in medieval and early modern times princesses could be married at 8 or 9, but not expected to consummate the marriage uintil they hit puberty, ie 12-14.

I've read about a couple of princesses left widows before they could have children, one was married to an early Ottoman prince (before they went to the Harem system exclusively), the other I forget, a French or English prince maybe.

Interesting that you get to choose the boys marrying into the dynasty, but not the girls. I guess their attributes are represented in their husbands descriptors rather than attached to the women themselves. If the women did have identifiable characters then you could deliberately select against undesirable traits: "no wedding forn you, my healthy ignorant daughter, only for your sister who is above reproach!".

Maybe someone could make a decent mini-mod out of it: My Big Fat Koinon Hellenion Wedding.

Its a different game but, I remember someone bragging about back in the old Shogun TW days that they managed to have one of their generals (shingen takeda) age up really high and then have his age go back down to the minimum which was 15 or 16 or something. Not sure if its still possible in these later versions, but had something to do with only having a few bytes of data to represent the age and so if it goes high enough (i think it was 125 in Shogun) then it will revert to the bottom end of the range.

Could keep a general alive forever if you saved and loaded every single turn...

Wonder if anyone has the patience to try?

As far as I know it still somewhere around 125 in RTW.

In vanilla RTW the starting faction leader of the julii (Flavius or something) in my game rose to the respectable age of 90 without reloading.
At that point the civil war started and I kept him alive throughout it; not counting the reset to zero at 125 he reached the age of 300. It took a plague in Rome to keep him down (and I got tired of reloading and the julii campaign itself).

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Originally Posted by Blxz

...only having a few bytes of data to represent the age and so if it goes high enough (i think it was 125 in Shogun) then it will revert to the bottom end of the range.

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So, one byte? I wonder what the MSB would be used for (7 bits would allow you to count from 0-127, just beyond the range of coded maximum age limit)

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Originally Posted by julius_caesar_the_first

Just out of curiosity: has anybody had an FM that reached the age of 100 or beyond?

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Without exploits? I once had the wife of my FL reach 101.

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Originally Posted by Subotan

Without exploits? I once had the wife of my FL reach 101.

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Nice:beam:

@mister V

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What game are you playing? A suitor with command traits already? You must've been really lucky, or maybe using a mini-mod I don't know about.

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very lucky indeed.... only once in my recent Baktrian campaign... the others before him just some useless 50 years junkies with many negative trairts.... I suppose after a series of Bad-Bad-Bad suitors, you will got a really nice suitor.......

@Cyclops

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Interesting that you get to choose the boys marrying into the dynasty, but not the girls. I guess their attributes are represented in their husbands descriptors rather than attached to the women themselves. If the women did have identifiable characters then you could deliberately select against undesirable traits: "no wedding forn you, my healthy ignorant daughter, only for your sister who is above reproach!".

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You must be approved by your girlfriend's father before you goes to official...:laugh4: but your father didn't necessarily know, who's your girlfriend...:embarassed:

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Originally Posted by Mediolanicus

Just to illustrate my luck.. My current Romani Faction Leader just reached 70 (which is not exceptionally old...).

Cnaevs Cornelivs Scipio Asina Africanvs

Has been elected Consul for 9 years in a row now!


https://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e...tionLeader.jpg

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How do you expand the traits like that? I can only display 5 or so traits a time not the 15 or so per page you have there.

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Originally Posted by Banzai!

How do you expand the traits like that? I can only display 5 or so traits a time not the 15 or so per page you have there.

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I would hazard a guess that Mediolanicus has employed 1337 PAINT SKILLZ to give the appearance of one continuous scroll (also, he may have set his Campaign Map resolution to a higher level than yours)

In my KH campeign, im waiting for a marriage offer from either Ionian or Kretan.

Instead I always seems to get Korinthian or Black sea area dudes (forgot what they are called..)

@beefy
ohh you are racist....:laugh4:

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Originally Posted by Cute Wolf

@beefy
ohh you are racist....:laugh4:

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Aww :sweatdrop:

I finally got a Kres today. I was soo excited :yes:

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Originally Posted by Beefy187

Aww :sweatdrop:

I finally got a Kres today. I was soo excited :yes:

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Sounds like we're playing the Sims with randomized neighbours :laugh4:

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Originally Posted by julius_caesar_the_first

Just out of curiosity: has anybody had an FM that reached the age of 100 or beyond?

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In vanilla, some years ago, my starting faction leader from my seleucids campaign died at 99 years. Without doing the save and reload trick

They should make it where the woman could remarry if her husband dies while shes still young.

As Pontos it seems like 4/5 suitors are Kappadokos. It would be nice to have some diversity, especially considering I'm down to only one royal family member at this point.

In my newly started KH Campaign I note down all new Daughters of the house with name, date of birth and Ethniicty of the father.
that way I keep track of the age difference and ethnic disputes thus a Sparten DAd would always take a Vigorous Spartan who went though the agoge command stars also help whereas an athenian would rather look forward to a sharp lad with some management traits etc.
It's a bit steriotypical but It's fun and good for RP purposes.

As for me I marry everyone off ASAP regardless of traits since they still have some use regardless how craptastic they may be. Plus the chance of getting children is usually worth it anyway, or you could always just leave them on border patrol and fight off rebels from cities.