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I'm not sure how this will work, but I was thinking of organizing a get together game for both Org and TWC mafia players.
If I can work out the system, we can make this a competition for which site has better players, but its more of friendly game, learning each others tactics and making new friends.
What do you guys think?
A splendid idea!
This will make the two forums come closer together! A new future, in which TotalWar players can unite! One forum, one goal, one Maffia!
Will this not create competition + trolling + flaming? If it is than count me in! If it isn't.....count me in as well! :)
sure, I guess that sounds pretty cool.
Well I could recommend a system for the game to work there was a game on twc a while ago called the tale of two cities where you could banish someone to the other city and that was how the town had to win by making sure that it had no mafia there.
Sounds intresting!
But where would it be hosted ?
It seems like the competition already started... ~;pQuote:
Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly
As long as the "fun" > "competition", I'm fine with the idea. TWC doesn't have such a large base of dedicated mafia players nor the tradition we do though. But they do have a bunch of excellent patrons and it would be nice to have them visiting the Org more often.
Why don't we just convert them to Orgahism?
After all, we have cookies:
https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/.../speculoos.jpg
And Belgian Fries:
https://i156.photobucket.com/albums/...ng/FRITUUR.jpg
And benevolent dictatorship :whip:
Well you would have one thread here and one on twc everyone would sign up to both sites when you played you have two choices you could either deport someone or lynch them so you have two goals firstly you have to get rid of your mafia but you want to make sure that the other city has less people then you by the end.
Firstly, Thanks heaps for the feedback :2thumbsup:
@ Captain Blackadder
Could you give me the link to this game? I would like to read it through.
@ Everyone
Its likely to end up as a competition but I'm working on the system to make it fun> competition and I need some help doing it.
I have came up with a setting which could work but its only a rough plan. We might use what Captain Blackadder suggested.
TWC can be the first host to get everything started.
The model is Sparta. We have two kings, one each from TWC and Org. Three body guards each who knows their king but not allowed to contact him.
Two mafia from each forum, representing Athenian assassins and Thebeans during the Peloponnesian war.
The victory will be decided with points awarded to the following actions.
+1 points for each votes on the assassins.
+4 if mafia successfully takes out the king.
+6 for a mafia victory and +2 extra if both mafia players are alive.
+3 for MVP chosen by host and two judges from TWC and Org
+1 for Funniest comment of the game (why not)
+1 for best write up (lynching write ups is to be done by kings)
+2 for who ever started the bandwaggon on traitors.
+1 for the best analysys in the match
-2 for insults (to be warned and penalized by the judges)
-2 per WoG (unless there is a credible reason)
In case players with roles were WoGged, that players role will be passed to random player chosen from the respectable Forum.
To make it something special, lets make this only once per 6 month or per year.
I believe this kind of game between the two forum, will fire up the love for our forum, grasping the interest from none mafia players, making our mafia games more popular. Our huge game for example has difficulty gathering above 30 players except the special case of Capo. Not only we can encourage none mafia players to join, but also by knowing other forums players, we can join their game or they can join ours when more players are needed.
Of cause, this may create more rivalry like the example of State of Origin matches in Australia or Soccer match between England and France. But as long as we respect our posting rules, we can keep it civil and possibly succeed in creating friendship.
For the record, while I was the one who suggested this project, I am not that comfortable to host the game. So if anyone has opinions, ideas or volunteering to host, those will all be appreciated :bow:
Cheers :2thumbsup:
Milan http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=117880
Venice http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=117879
There are the two games I wasn't in them so you should ask Jubal about how they worked.
I don't have the brightest of views of some parts of TWC's membership. However, fortunately, the participants of TWC's Coliseum would fit in well with the spammier, but still charming, parts of the Org, such as the Frontroom and Gameroom. It might create competition, but if I know the current Coliseumers well enough, they won't troll nor flame. Besides, the current holder of the Capo crown is a TWC moderator, so perhaps the onus is on the Org to regain its honour.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jolt
Winner can have their title as the "better mafia players of 200X" and the right to host the next game on their website :yes:
Or is that bit too much? :sweatdrop:
@Captain Blackadder
Thank you for the links. Ill read it through :bow:
Well, everyone could post the rules for new mafia games... like the one I was going to host, but won't thanks to university... can post the whole idea if you want to.
Yes please Caius :yes:
EDIT:
I had a read at the game that Captain Blackadder suggested. The concept of the game was that players will be divided in 2 cities. Then the city who got rid of the mafia first was the winner. They had the option of either lynching or exiling the player from their city.
This game will be good if we are going for friendly game, but would be hard to make it for competition
I am game...
There is however some peep on the TWC with my user name. I thought I had an account, but obviously not. :mean:
But if we can play the game on our respective boards it wouldn't be a problem.
I think however that there should be a common host for both games and that the phases is synchronized with absolute deadlines for voting and night orders.
I've contacted Don Jubal_Barca of TWC about the ideas so far and I'm awaiting response.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigurd
If I get a go sign from him as well, we can start organizing it.
Thanks for the suggestion Sigurd:2thumbsup:
You could create a username, named something like "Uber-Sigurd", to show who is the superior Sigurd of all. :P Talking about account, I also have no account there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigurd
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Originally Posted by Jolt
Yeah something like that.
I won't use the German word for superior though. I am open for other suggestions.
Maybe Mafia-Sigurd? :mellow:
Master Sigurd
Don Sigurd
Sigurd Extra Large
Big Sigurd
Fat Sigurd
Sigurd Excéllent
Super Sigurd
Lord Sigurd
Sigurd the Great
Sigurd le Champion
Mister Sigurd
Mighty Sigurd
:thinking2:
Or... and I know this is a totally crazy suggestion, but just bare with me on the insanity I'm about to unleash... Sigurd Fafnesbane.
Meh, Sigurd Fafnesbane is sooo 2008 :no:Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
How about Sigurd Fafnesbane 2009 then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
Nonono, he could as well make his username I'm not creative then.Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
It has to be something catchy but still with Sigurd in it.
The Real Sigurd
Sigurd Réal
or maybe add a French flavour, like Sigurd Le Vrai or Le Grand Sigurd.
Or some Italian flavour, likeSigurd BolognaiseIl Sigurd.
Yes, that should be it, Il Sigurd.
I commend this idea, I play mafia on both sides so merging them would be nice, couldn't a new forum, now we have to decide if we all go to the twc or they all go here...
So, how did you get your name then? :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Andres
Sigurd the Psychotic Rodeo Clown
Sigurettes Cause Lung Cancer
Baron Sigurd of Blousebottom, Ravager of Laundromats
Sigurd II: The Revenge
Sigurd III: Return of the Fafnesbane
Sigurd, Bane of Fafnes
:inquisitive:
TinCow, are you drunk?
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Sadly, no. I always use absurd names like those in any RPG I play. My current character in Fallout 3 is Arvin von Luffa. If I ever get a dog, it will be named something like Duchess Mitsy Fluffington, Devourer of Souls.
Baron Andres of Blousebottom, Ravager of Laundromats is too long :bigcry:
The Flying Banandres ?
:thinking2:
That's decent. You could also go for a more subtle change, like Andres!, in the style of the Pathé logo.
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You guys kill me.
I have decided to go with 5i6u2d ... yeah that'll do the trick. :rolleyes:
Got a reply from Jubal saying he is too busy atm, and I should discuss with Thermal Mercury (Ares) and DisgruntledGoat..
Ares, seeing as your the sub don of the TWC, could you spread the words to your people please? If everyone is willing to join then I think its good to go.
5i6u2d sounds nice and strong :laugh4:
Here is my idea:Quote:
Yes please Caius
There should be a town, which debates between joining COMECOM of the CCCP or the Marshall Pact of the US.
Every member gets a number, which varies to +3 to -3, +3 being Ultimate Capitalist follower and -3 Ultimate Marxist follower. Those who get +3, +2, +1 are capitalists, and will try to get the other band lynched. The same thing goes to the Communist side.
There will be two journalists, one per band. Those journalist would wrote a write up on how the other is ruining the town, ruining liberty and slaving you to the capitalist system, etcetera. What players won't know that those journalists will write everything that happened, except some posts that they send to delete (for the convenience of the band they are in). In this way, there will be people who get the number 0, they are undecided. They will join one or the other band, but it will take some turns to join one or the other team.
If there is a communist that joins capitalism (need to work that, 2:30 am here), the Ultimate marxist follower will kill that person. Any mention of that person amongst comrades will mean traition, so, that person will literally disapear from the list of alive players (shame on me creating nonpersons in this game). Same thing will happen if a capitalist joins the communist side.
There will be a CIA agent, detective, and a KGB detective also. They won't get guilty / not guilty results, but they will get commie/capitalist results instead.
The undecided will remain undecided until they change the situation. If they join one or other band, they will have one objective: cause kaos, killing the suporters of the enemy side. Lynching and group killing.
Loses the side that gets all the suporters killed or lynched.
That was my idea. I would like to host it, but don't have all the time.
Good idea for the game. I think TWC and Org players should start on different ends to make this work.
I can't see how conversion from Communist to Capitalist and vice versa is going to work but thats about the only problem I can spot. If you can think of something to cover that, maybe...
What a day this has come to, when the Moderators of the Org have taken to spamming people's threads. I have this to say to you, TinCow, Sigurd, and all you other bad moderators:Quote:
Originally Posted by TinCow
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On-topic: I'd love to bring TWC'ers over here and I'd like maybe host a few games over there. It would reduce the workload of the moderators over here.... if either of you object to the idea, please PM me.
Are you suggesting two games (one here and one there?)Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
actually I was just suggesting I could relieve the backlog of games that I have by hosting a few over there, and maybe being an assistant moderator there so I can moderate them myself. That means the moderators here won't be burdened. And I will PROMISE to recruit players only when the ones at the Org have already passed their signup phase and have begun.
What say you, Andres, Sigurd? Do you mind?
The Org and the Gameroom are what you guys make of it. If it's a game and it needs to be on a forum, then the Gameroom is the place to be. We our just your humble servants moderating this place :bow:
The only immediate problem I see on the subject of organising, could be timing and our queue and that it needs to be coordinated with the TWC.
As I understand, a TWC-Org game would be a once a year event?
Once you guys worked out the general concept and agreed on practical organisational stuff with the TWC guys, it would be good to just pick a start date in the not too near future (e.g. within 4 or 5 months).
If it's big and good, we can then find a way to put the queue on hold on a set date that can be announced well before hand, so that nobody feels treated unfair.
I think you guys first need to work out the concept and the ideas, at least the larger framework. Then we can chose a date and you can use the time in between to work out the details and setup of the game.
Just my :2cents:
Hey, it are your games, so it's up to you where you want to host them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Askthepizzaguy
Obviously, being able to host on the Org is worth the wait :snobby:
Ok, thanks for addressing my concerns Andres.
You're darn right I want to host them here... but the wait for the large games is far too long. I just wanted to make sure I addressed ANY concerns you might have of me hosting larger games elsewhere, both for the reasons of potentially stealing players, looking like I am avoiding the queue system just so I can have my way, or any other potential conflicts.
I am attempting to correct any headaches before they happen. If there were no games in the signup phase, I would recruit players here and bring them to TWC so we can stretch ourselves a little and I can host the larger games without having to wait a year or two to do so.
If there are EVER any problems, send me a message right away. I will do my best to avoid any conflict of interest and address all concerns.
How about pɹnƃıs?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigurd
It should be: "سيجورد"
Which is Sigurd translated from Norwegian to Arabic in Google.
ummm, ok but there really are only a handful of dedicated players there, about 12 at most (not counting org members!) transferring over there (when not conflicting with the org) will boost the game there, plus we need more signees for the games taking sign ups now. Idea:Quote:
Originally Posted by Beefy187
-If you havent already set up an account in the TWC forum
for those on a time issue
-Instead of taking your usual 2/3 - 3/3 games on org, reduce it by 1 so its 2/3 - 1/3, then one less org game will allow you to join a TWC mafia game
for those on can't find the forum issue
-Go to the forum index - games, chat and activities section, enter the coliseum and then the mafia sub-forum, games are sticked and labelled, finished ones are unsticked and at the bottom
for those who hate the twc
-Forget the rest of the forum, this part only has about 12-14 players all in all, and all of the dedicated ones are friendly (DisgruntledGoat, Xavier Dragnesi, Double A, Capt' Blackadder, Rob_The_Celt Me, ATPG, etc.)
for those not wanting to go to the TWC
-It's a logical choice, games have no limit as of yet, the org queues are bulging, so having some TWC games elevates things, the actual ORG-/TWC mafia match itself could be organized in either forum though, I guess :bow:
Just bookmark the Mafia forum, and it'll take no more time than browsing another org forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by 777Ares777
The Coliseumers are a friendly lot on the whole. The dedicated senior moderator for that part of TWC is scottishranger, whom one or two here may know.Quote:
Originally Posted by 777Ares777
An alternative to contests between the org and TWC might be one game each year which draws on players from both forums. The org already has Capo, which has been hugely successful at the org, and which has produced a TWC winner. If necessary, an orgah might organise something similar, but host it at TWC, as TWC's counterpart. Make it, not a contest between the two forums, but a biannual event, that happens once a year on TWC and the org.
I never thought about the player ratio:sweatdrop:Quote:
Originally Posted by Pannonian
I was checking around TWC yesterday. While there were about 150 or so members active on the Org, TWC had at least 3 times more numbers at all time. If we can help them out a bit as we already have long wait for the Que here, I think we will have a Win-Win situation.
I would still like to have the once in a year match purely for Org vs TWC. I think making it more of a competition then usual will boost up the love of both the forums and hopefully increase interest in the number of mafia players.
IIRC, in TWC you had to be something important in the community to post in the mafia forum. I was a peasant there. Here, even if you are a Junior Member you can join the gameroom (contacting Andres or Sigurd) and post (you can't edit your posts if you are a JM, nothing to worry about, those TWC members can be promoted).
No you don't at the start it was in the symposiom where you had to be a ctizen the equivelent of senior member here. But after the first game it was moved in the mafia subsection of the games room where anyone can post.
Thanks, it has been a 'while' I've been there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Captain Blackadder
IIRC one needed to be Jubal Barca or a privileged admin to start a thread in the Mafia forum, but that may have been relaxed since I was last there. In any case, if you need to make some arrangements, I can have a word with the admins.Quote:
Originally Posted by Caius
While TWC has massive visitor numbers, it has a much smaller and less dedicated Mafia fanbase than the org. In the Mafia forum's early days, I spent a bit of time educating the players there in the nuances of Mafia play, which had already developed here by that time. While I haven't been keeping a close eye on their respective forums (most of my time being spent on moderating TWC), AFAICS the org's Mafia play has developed even further since then, showcased by the Capo games. I feel the best results for a TWC game would come if an orgah hosted a game there, with a large import of orgah players, and the TWCers can learn from the sophistication and energy of the orgah Mafia play. I don't think TWC has the fanbase yet to compete with the orgahs in Mafia, but cross-fertilisation of the kind I suggest would help popularise the game in both forums.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beefy187
Depending on when we actually get this off, I'd be willing to host this (on either forum).
If someone could work that, then we are done. I could write the starting write up if needed.Quote:
I can't see how conversion from Communist to Capitalist and vice versa is going to work but thats about the only problem I can spot. If you can think of something to cover that, maybe...
Seeing as we have much more players on the Org compared to TWC, I think its better to post pone our once in a year matches.. We got Capo coming up anyway :yes:
Right now I think its best to follow Pannonians suggestion by joining up a few TWC games to help them get more players, train their (and our) skills a bit before our matches take place. That should reduce our waiting time for our large games.
I will be doing most of mafia playing on the Org as I find Org skin much more comfortable to lurk in compared to any of the TWC skins I tried.. And I would like to keep upping most posting counts here :smash:
Thanks for all the ideas and opinions :bow:
Well, I've just noticed Paradox forums have a bucketload of Mafia players (They call it "Werewolfe" games). They're 20 player game's sign ups get filled in basically 2 hours. Wouldn't it be nice to have a game with them as well? (Especially the Capo game, since they could fill the game up quickly to reach the 120 players.)
ALL TOTALWAR.ORG MAFIA PLAYERS:
If you have a TWC account or if you are willing to get one, I am now accepting signups for a game hosted by me over at total war center, located HERE.
Thanks for your interest.
Would be hilarious if we get a mafia scums player on here as well. Thats what. Few hundred peoples? :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jolt
Would be nice eventually but I think I'll concentrate on TWC first.
One day Jolt.. One day we might have a humangous game...
I feel it necessary to point out we have a humongous game already in the works, and I am inviting known TWC contacts to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beefy187
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