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I'm not going to condemn her.Quote:
While there, he passed his victim's mother in the street and allegedly taunted her about the attack. He is said to have called out "How's your daughter?", before heading into a crowded bar.
Shortly after, the woman walked into the bar, poured a bottle of petrol over Soriano and lit a match. She watched as the flames engulfed him, before walking out.
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Her actions were wrong but i can more than understand the motivation...
Somewhat half heartedly condeming...
I 'spose it makes a change from ordering a sambuca.
I have no sympathy or mercy for rapists. That woman did the right thing, and she should be set free.
What the...
If he said he was sorry then ok, I would have some sympathy for the guy but you don't taunt her.
My guess, he is one of those guys that never learn and would no doubt raped another woman once he got out of prison.
Good riddance.
Hmmm, you can't pick or choose the laws you want to follow. You either have them or have none. I can understand her motivation, and frustration. I don't know the law system there, but I'd be surprised if it didn't mess up her life at least a little bit more.
She should've done this here. She would not have seen a cell. Of course we don't give 3 day leave passes either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psychonaut
Yes you can...that's what she did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psychonaut
She should've done this here. She would not have seen a cell.
Your allowed to murder people who taunt you about a felony they commited against you or yours... ?
Yes you can...that's what she did.
She can choose whether or not to follow the rules but we cannot, we* must follow the rules we decide despite the fact the person was a nasty piece of work...
*the state...
My guess she probably just gets a few months in a psych-ward and then released, if even that.
Seem like the standard european punishment especially if judging from the article is true, that she suffered mental problems because of what happened to her daughter.
No jury would convict her. Law or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleGrizzly
Exactly, if she goes to trial and is not convicted/convicted lightly then the law has been served. But, if she is convicted, she can't mope around and complain, she has to deal with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Strike For The South
Anyway, I hear an "insanity" plea coming along. Bleugh.
Thanks, LG for clearing up that ambiguity.
I somewhat disapprove. Burning rapists is best left to the state.
Depending on the taunts, if it were done here I think she would have seen a cell.
Some things don't add up for me
-"how's your daughter?" is pretty far from being a taunt unless asked sarcastically, maniacally, etc you get my point which brings me to
-who witnessed the taunt?
I'm not defending the rapist, but its entirely possible this was premeditated and "he taunted me" was something she concocted, especially if she was notified in advance of his being on leave.
It's pretty rich they just cross paths like that. Either he was going out of his way to be around and make them uneasy, or she was stalking him. A decade in jail, he goes on leave, and they pass on the street....
Can't speak for Spain, but People in the US are exonerated for wrongful convictions of rape and murder every few months it seems. If everyone enacted their own victims revenge I think more than a few folks would be wrongfully killed or maimed and the real truth never found out, although exoneration and finding the real criminal are mutually exclusive. Acts of revenge also ruins lives
So while I'm not defending this guy and hope he suffered for his misdeeds, especially if he taunted her, it sets bad precedent if she is just allowed to walk.
While I understand what this woman did and why she did it - it isn't for her to carry out justice. That is what the court system is for.
I would not have the heart to punish the woman for what she did, even if it was technically illegal.
Oh yeah ?
I thought we had laws and all that precisely to prevent this kind of things.
Now, I won't say I don't understand her. If what were being told is true (that's a big 'if'), then I would probably have done/wanted to do the same thing. Still, that's murder, and she ought to face justice and to be brought before a court.
Why am i humming "Chessnuts roasting on an open fire"?
A real tragedy.
That the rapist survived, that is....
D'oh! How'd I miss that? He didn't live. Nevermind!
I hope she rots for a long time in a cell.
The law is the law...
...Create a precedent and then you will have to release vigilantes that killed people for insignificant reasons.
Once again this is a society failing. Justice was not served and this forced the mother's hand. If the justice system worked then the guy would still be in jail (9 years is not enough and he shouldn't be allowed to return anywhere close to his vistim) and the mother wouldn't. Now it should be jail for both of them, harsh as it may be.
Something though does not add up. If that person was jailed for 9 years in 1998 then why should he be released on a 3 day pass. He should have been released in 2007...Has anyone checked this story for validity?
The article is from 2005 ...Quote:
Originally Posted by rasoforos
Hmmm I didnt see that. Cheers :2thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sigurd
SFTS where do u unearth all this stuff?
"So what are you in for?"
"I lit someone on fire."
I kiss the ground she walks on and shall honour her forever.Quote:
Originally Posted by article
And if it's wrong what she did, I pray to God to take his avenge on my soul and grant this woman a place in heaven in my stead, for I desire neither a worldy nor a heavenly justice that considers me innocent and this mother guilty.
He who does evil things will have it roll back on him,
And he will not know what hit him.
Mockery and abuse come back on an arrogant man,
And vengence lies in wait for him like a lion.
Sirach 27:27-28
If I killed the guy who (hypothetically) raped my daughter - as I would be extremely tempted to do - I'd expect to suffer the full force of the law, however reluctantly applied by a sympathetic jury.
But I'd be standing tall when the judge pronounced sentence.
If I killed the guy who (hypothetically) raped my daughter - as I would be extremely tempted to do - I'd expect to suffer the full force of the law, however reluctantly applied by a sympathetic jury.
But I'd be standing tall when the judge pronounced sentence.
I agree with this completely. We cannot allow vigilantism, quite simply the more you allow people to take the law into thier own hands the more and more justice becomes blind and retarded*
*best ever case in point some severly under educated group of vigilantees went paedophile hunting, when they got to a paeditricians office/shop. I can't remember if they beat the guy trashed the place or what but the point is we cannot trust the average citizen to carry out justice...
Also we use the system innocent until proven guilty, i don't see potential vigilantees to be quite so just...
With all this said...
If it was my daughter (and especially because she has had mental health problems ever since) i would have probably wanted to kill the guy as well. This doesn't mean there should be no punishment for the actions, though to be honest if i was the one giving out sentencing it would be a very light punishment...
As a husband/son/brother/eventual father myself, I'd have a very hard time convicting you for your actions.Quote:
Originally Posted by KukriKhan
On one hand, we are a nation of laws and they are there (mostly) for the betterment of society.
On the other, I can't imagine what I'd do if someone did something to someone in my family like that.
Maybe I'm old fashioned, but isn't that the father's job?
What kind of a man makes his wife go into a bar and set someone on fire, then apologizes for the man's death.
Couldn't he at least have called up his cousin with a pig farm, or something?
Yep, just because the dirtbag did time doesn't mean it's over. Meet me on the street and do anything besides avert your eyes and scurry off or drop to your knees press your forehead to the ground and chant "I'm not worthy".... Looks like she prefers extra-crispy.Quote:
Originally Posted by KukriKhan
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Originally Posted by KukriKhan
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I can't say I blame the woman. She probably should go to jail, technically speaking, although if I was on the jury I could probably never send her to prison.
What I can't understand is why that man was only in jail for 9 years. :inquisitive:
Should have been fried back in '98. :yes:
While I am fully aware that strong feelings are roused with stories such as these, I would much rather have the law punish the offender rather than unstable/distraught individuals with petrol.
That is true. And that is a good reason for governments in society.Quote:
Originally Posted by CrossLOPER
While we as humans here are moved by the plight of the man's victim and family, it is important that the rule of law exist so that our lives are run by general reason, rather than emotion.
It is one thing for us to stand here and say, "I'd be throwing the match with her." It is another thing to actually do so. I certainly do not sympathize with this man, nor his fate. However, were I his father or brother, I would likely hope people would. Even a monster has those who love him or her or it.
However, giving a violent rapist a lighter sentence and a weekend pass to return to haunt the people he harmed shows flaws in the judgment of the society's penal system.
Woah, Deja Vu. I Stumbled Upon this yesterday.
I don't really have an opinion on this, seeing as how it's four years old. Although I do think she should be pardoned, but any "copycats" should have the full wrath of the law brought down unto them.
Some people need killin'. That's just a fact of life. They do not change their ways, do not get "reformed" by the prison system, but as good ole comrade Stalin once said: death solves all problems. Having said that, it's still a murder. Sooooo, what do we do to avoid punishing the good woman who rid the world of that waste of skin? Answer: Temporary insanity defense. Any lawyer worth his salt should be able to pull it off. At worst, she should get off with the slap-on-the-wrist sentence that focuses on psychiatric counseling.
Well, the woman actually did him a favour, we all know that heretics and sinners must be cleansed by fire to be let into heaven... :mellow:
I have to change my post. She should not necessarily be set free, but I sympathize with her.
In France they call (and judge) these things 'crime passionele'. Doing something stupid when overtaken by emotions. I can fully understand it, but it's not right. Understandable, but wrong. How much time did she have to overthink what she was going to do? That is important here.
I hope he burns in hell.
I hope she rots in prison.
Putting yourself above the law drags you down on the same pigs you are trying to punish.
Fight fire with fire. In this case, literally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fixiwee
Then paint his butt red and lock him up with gorillas. Ouch.Quote:
Originally Posted by rvg
Putting yourself above the law merely elevates one to the level of politicians.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fixiwee
Putting yourself above the law merely elevates one to the level of politicians.
Theres a good quote for a sig if ever i saw one...
Ever heard of the enlightend idea of separation of powers?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexander the Pretty Good
Sure. Have our masters?
I wouldn't. From what I see (too many NYPD Blue episodes seen) rapists are not going to change. They have a mental illness. Some can be treated, yes, but others not. Its like an alcoholic or some drogadict. Some can be recovered... others sadly not.Quote:
If he said he was sorry then ok, I would have some sympathy for the guy but you don't taunt her.