Emergent Faction List

Lets get a list going of emergent factions i believe something like this was tried but died so ill try to keep this one up to date :)

In my marathas camp ive had Quebec, and US emerge after france died in europe and Naples & Sicily after a revolt, my housemate had quebec after he killed the french and mexico, guatemala and columbia after he killed Spain. i believe Ireland, scotland and hungary have been confirmed begin! hehe


FACTIONS

Quebec (Requires France being destroyed in Europe)
United States (Requires France being destroyed in Europe)
Naples & Sicily (Requires Revolt in Naples)
Mexico (Requires Spain to be destroyed in Europe)
Guatemala (Requires Spain to be destroyed in Europe)
Columbia (Requires Spain to be destroyed in Europe)
Ireland (Requires Revolt in England?)
Scotland (Requires Revolt in Scotland?)
Hungary (Requires revolt ? in Hungary? lol)
Greece (Revolt in Greece?)
Maratha Rebels (Requires a foreign, occupying power in India to be destroyed in their home theatre. Requires a revolt in India?)
Chaquaw Rebels (Requires revolt in either Upper or Lower Lousiana)
Inuit Rebels (When the British were destroyed in Europe, these guys appeared in Moose Factory)
Norway (Requires revolt in Norway)
Ukranian Rebels (requires revolt in Kiev. Can possibly emerge in other provinces?)
Moldovan rebels (???)
The Arawak (sp?) Rebels appear in Dutch Guyana. Requires a revolt in Dutch Guyana or for a foreign, occupying power to be destroyed in its home theatre.
Kand (sp?) Rebels appear in that island on the southern tip of India that is held by the UP
Punjab (requires a revolt in Punjab)
Afghanistan (requires a revolt in Afghanistan)
Mamelukes (requires a revolt in Egypt)
Brandenburgher Rebels (requires a revolt in Brandenburgh. Possibly becomes the Prussian faction once a settlement is taken)
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Edits : cheers pever something like that?
: ima assume that all of these factions can emerge if they revolt or if the owner of their province is destroyed.

Maybe throw up conditions in brackets next to them?

I think you left out Greece at the least. Can’t think of any others at the moment…

so to get the United states to emerge the French need to be destroyed in Europe? (seems a bit strange :dizzy2: but plausable)
is that the only way or are there others?

not really that odd, if u destroy a faction in their home theater their provinces in other theaters turn rebel/or become emergent factions. since US territory is controlled by france (i think) killing the home faction makes them emerge

same with spain and england.

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Originally Posted by knoddy

not really that odd, if u destroy a faction in their home theater their provinces in other theaters turn rebel/or become emergent factions. since US territory is controlled by france (i think) killing the home faction makes them emerge

same with spain and england.

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LOL You told the CA guys to put Pueblos in Texas didn’t you!:inquisitive:

Geography! Language! Is this French?:dizzy2:


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lol sorry im aussie and i dont know anything bout the history/geography of the US i meant in game at least :D i guess the same could prob be said if u killed of england i dunno

Any info about Croatia as an emergent minor faction??? Or its just an dream "the big Croatian Empire risen from the ashes"^^.

A man can dream right?

humm historicity the US broak way from England after the French were kicked out of North America right? So shouldn't they rise up if the French are gone form America or England is gone form America or destroyed in Europe?

There seem to be no end to the emergent factions, more and more keep appearing :2thumbsup:.

ps. I didn't notice this thread before I updated my own factions thread, sorry .

What? But the British took over all of the Thirteen Colony territories and all of the east coast. Will destroying France still allow the US to emerge despite the Thireteen Colonies being eliminated?

Quebec is there but the condition is wrong. France had not been attacked in my game and Quebec still emerged. France still held Paris and Lorriane, had even taken Savoy.

There are quite a few emergent factions though I can't think of all of them off top of my head.

I had the USA emerge in Boston when France where still alive and kicking, they are rebels of the 13 colonies.

I have had alot of Slavs rebel,literally they are just called Slav Rebels.

In 3-4 provinces at a time sometimes. Mostly Modavia and other places. I'm sure if I let them win they'd form a faction......but as let I havn't let them :laugh4:

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Originally Posted by Polemists

I have had alot of Slavs rebel,literally they are just called Slav Rebels.

In 3-4 provinces at a time sometimes. Mostly Modavia and other places. I'm sure if I let them win they'd form a faction......but as let I havn't let them :laugh4:

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Let them win, for science!

The US emerge either by rebellion against the Brits (human player) or when Great Britain is destroyed (AI).

Is it not possible for the US to emerge when the player isn't GB and GB hasn't been destroyed? I would think it's like Quebec which only requires the region to revolt. I would think it's like that for all emergent factions. It might be more likely to happen if the faction controlling the region is destroyed, because they aren't governed by anybody.

Mexico emerged in 1804 while I was busy fighting Spain as US. Spain seemed to be very alive and kicking my sorry arse anywhere it could find a stars and stripes fleet.

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Originally Posted by knoddy

Quebec (Requires France being destroyed in Europe)
United States (Requires France being destroyed in Europe)
Naples & Sicily (Requires Revolt in Naples)
Mexico (Requires Spain to be destroyed in Europe)
Guatemala (Requires Spain to be destroyed in Europe)
Columbia (Requires Spain to be destroyed in Europe)
Ireland (Requires Revolt in England?)
Scotland (Requires Revolt in Scotland?)
Hungary (Requires revolt ? in Hungary? lol)
Greece (Revolt in Greece?)

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I don't know if the USA can revolt on their own, but they'll emerge if Great Britain is destroyed in Europe, not France.

As for Scotland and Ireland, they each require simple revolts in their respective homelands; Ireland for Ireland, Scotland for Scotland. It doesn't have to be a revolt against Great Britain, but any occupying power.

Maratha Rebels (Requires a foreign, occupying power in India to be destroyed in their home theatre. Requires a revolt in India?)

Chaquaw Rebels (Requires revolt in either Upper or Lower Lousiana)

Inuit Rebels (When the British were destroyed in Europe, these guys appeared in Moose Factory)

Norway (Requires revolt in Norway)

Whoops. Delete Post.

as i edited in my original post ill assume they can all emerge through either revolt or factions being destroyed.

@ Polemists yes the slavs prob would turn into a faction if u let them take a town, thats wot happened with me in naples. they were there as rebels when they took naples from me they became the faction naples & sicily.

That's odd. I'm pretty sure the Inuit Rebels were still called Inuit Rebels when they got Moose Factory. I'm gonna play tonight and holla back tommorrow or sometime in the middle of the night.

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as i edited in my original post ill assume they can all emerge through either revolt or factions being destroyed.

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Ah, yes. I see now. I'm blind... :embarassed:

Gah, more terribad Inuit factions.

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Originally Posted by Megas Methuselah

That's odd. I'm pretty sure the Inuit Rebels were still called Inuit Rebels when they got Moose Factory. I'm gonna play tonight and holla back tommorrow or sometime in the middle of the night.

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its interesting cos when portugal got destroyed in Europe their province in india turned into and stayed marthras rebels till i killed it. but when naples revolted they became naples & sicily instead

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Ah, yes. I see now. I'm blind... :embarassed:

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hehe sok im thinking i should maybe just get rid of the conditions maybe just put where they can/do emerge

Cheers Knoddy

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Originally Posted by knoddy

Chaquaw Rebels (Requires revolt in either Upper or Lower Lousiana)

destroyed.

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Chaquaw or Choctaw?

Quebec is a faction in my game no one is destroyed, as well as US emerged and I am playing as Russia. Who holds Mexico New Mexico and Texas. Hey I wanted to own my own home here in New Mexico but I do not have Albuquerque formed yet :( and Santa Fe is an hour away and full of rich people so they are boo. But the rebels in Moldova took the settlement and just stayed Moldovan rebels never turned into a faction. But we are the Republic of Russia with the current Russian flag. I love how your flag changes with gov.

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Originally Posted by Noddy The Beefy Egg

Chaquaw or Choctaw?

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Dunno. It was a while back.

Ukranian Rebels (requires revolt in Kiev. Can possibly emerge in other provinces?)
And don't forget the Moldovan rebels mentioned by parad.

Crikey, there's probably a whole emergent faction for every territory...

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Originally Posted by A Very Super Market

Crikey, there's probably a whole emergent faction for every territory...

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this is indeed my current line of thinking although some would be linked to current in game factions EG i had mysore revolt after like 37 years of occupation, and when they stole my town cos my army was chasing them round the country side they re emerged as mysore b4 being destroyed next turn.

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I destroyed France and America emerged because of it...

I must admit I'm curious why.

France had a few of the 13 colonies?

I heard about that happening. Odd. USA emerged when I destroyed GB, but not France. :inquisitive:

i dont think it matter that much which 1, if u destroy any of the powers in europe it seems like certain factions emerge in america and the US would be the most prominent one.

It's because France holds some of the 13 colonies's territory. In my game the 13s had traded away Boston and New York to the French. When I defeated the French in Europe the United States appeared in the former French regions, while the 13 colonies were still alive and kicking as a faction in the remaining regions.

Lol, thats odd.

The Arawak (sp?) Rebels appear in Dutch Guyana. Requires a revolt in Dutch Guyana or for a foreign, occupying power to be destroyed in its home theatre.

Kand (sp?) Rebels appear in that island on the southern tip of India that is held by the United Provinces.

Punjab (requires a revolt in Punjab)
Afghanistan (requires a revolt in Afghanistan)
Mamelukes (requires a revolt in Egypt)
Brandenburgher Rebels (requires a revolt in Brandenburgh. Possibly becomes the Prussian faction once a settlement is taken)

Wow, this list won't stop. Will report if I see more. Note that all these factions either require a revolt or for a foreign, occupying power to be destroyed in its home theatre.

So if you are playing as the French is there any chance that the United States will emerge without the destruction of GB? Seems like the US should emerge by default in 1776 and not be tied to European factions.

i dont know my camp hasnt made it that far im still at 1740 ish, unless ur playing ultra defensive id say that at least 1 european major would have to be dead by then :P

Dunno. I destroyed GB in my Hanover campaign. I'm just goin around tryin to get factions to emerge. :smile:

Empire seems to have well more than fifty factions. It's a shame that none of them are playable, or ever likely to even be seen on the campaign map.

But imagine if they weren't there:no:. This could be a sign of unlimited factions!:2thumbsup:(referring to the hardcodes).

Don't forget all the starting factions can emerge after being destroyed, too.

Will we ever be able to play as these emerging factions?

Once we can properly mod the game, I assume we would be able to give the emergent factions a province to start with so we could play with them from the beggining.

...But wouldn't that be inaccurate?

... It's inaccurate for the US to emerge in the 1720's. But it happens.

Yes, but that arises due to conditions that are different from realirty. If we have, say Hungary, independent in 1700, then that's historically inaccurate.

I am inclined to disagree. If you want to talk about accuracy, let's go to the EB2 Forum. Vanilla Total War games aren't where it's at.

As for Hungary being independant, make it start as a protectorate of Austria. Saxony starts as a protectorate of Poland-Lithuania, and playing as Saxony, the only way I found to free myself was through war.

Wanna play some multiplayer battles right now?? :yes:

I don't have E:TW running yet...
Besides, if you were to have every single faction on the map playable from the start, it would be unsustainable!

Not every single mod. There could be seperate mods for every individual emergent faction's starting position.

EDIT: gonna go play mp.

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Originally Posted by Subotan

Will we ever be able to play as these emerging factions?

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For R:TW BI, there was a mod for emergent factions where the game would start playing with the AI controlling all the factions. Once the emergent faction you chose appeared, you started controlling it.

Of course, since there's no guarentee in Empire that any given faction will emerge there's a bit of a risk. Still, I like that approach best.

That's nice. But you're correct in that not all factions inevitably emerge. The appearance of most emergent factions in my game were the direct result of my deliberate actions to see them emerge.

I think all emergent factions arise from revolts, even teh ones listed as created by a faction being destroyed.

Eg. Afghanistan emerged on its own in one of my games and no faction had to vansih, but it also emerged when i took all of perisa save afghanistan, the revolt destroyed persia as a faction.

Plus maratha rebels appear when a maratha province rebels, not when a foreign power lises in its how.

And did CA not say awhile ago that USA emerges when any faction in the US region of North America suffers a revolt? Except in indian controlled areas ofcourse.

Even stranger,...

I destroyed France and the US aint showing.
It's almost 1750 and still no US. is this a bug?

If France doesn't have any of the 13 colonies territories, it doesn't work. You need to kill whatever faction has 13 colonies territory.

I don't think any factions need to be wiped out for new factions to emerge. It seems like any rebellion can trigger them. I've had the US emerge in 1742, in NY, in a rebellion against the Iroquois. Great Britain, France, and (for that matter) every single "major" nation was still alive and well.

The U.S. will emerge as a faction if any of the original thirteen colonies regions revolt (there may be more regions where this can happen, but not sure). It does not matter which faction is holding that territory. For example, in my game Iroqouis took boston from thirteen colonies; boston revolted because of low public order, and United States spawned as rebels (it was only year 1711 or so).

When a major faction is destroyed, its colonial territories will become independent, and this is also another way U.S. can spawn.

Some factions like guatemala (Maya rebels in game i think) arn't proper factions, just rebels.

Yeah, that sucks. You can't even engage in diplomacy with the poor buggers. :sad:

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Originally Posted by KozaK13

Some factions like guatemala (Maya rebels in game i think) arn't proper factions, just rebels.

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u sure? im pretty certain they emerged as a minor faction in my mates game when he killed Spain. ill check and get back to ya :)

Mexico and Coloumbia emerge as minor factions, but Guatemala does not.

I hope I can clarify some things from my experience here.

AFAIK there are two ways for a faction to emerge. There might be more, but I haven't seen any yet.
1. Rebellion in the relevant province, e.g. High unrest in French (or any other power than Westphalia itself) controlled Westphalia can lead to Hessia as a faction there.
2. Faction destroyed in its main theatre, eg. France is wiped out in Europe, Maratha in India, the US in America.... This will cause all provinces in other theatres go independent.

In both cases the faction owning the relevant provinces is not important; i.e. the emergence of the USA is not necessarily triggered by the destruction of either Britain of France. If Denmark happens to own all relevant provinces, nothing happens!
There are two types of emergent factions: Proper minor factions (USA, Hessia, Afghanistan, ...) and rebel factions. They don't appear in the diplomacy screen, have "XY Rebels" as name and can be treated like rebels in prevoius TW games (i.e. a kind of free-for-all landgrab :beam:)
Persia is a notable case because it is the only faction spanning two theatres without part of it being a colony. The game however does treat Afghanistan as a colony of Persia; it is the only one of its provinces in the Indian theatre (to verify go to diplomacy screen -> Persia -> provinces) and therefore becomes independant (rule 2. above) if the rest of the Persian provinces is conquered.

Hope this helps,

Darth Venom

If you open "factions_tables" with the DB Editor you can see every single faction that could possibly be in-game.:yes:

I guess I was beat to it, but I found it odd that when Westphalia is defeated and there is a revolt there, they come back as HESSE.

Also, the Mamelukes have not been mentioned, they come into revolt in Egypt

I have a question, I been trying to make Guatemala a playable faction for my Gran campaign, but i cant find them in the file, Idk if they have a different name or something, if they do, can someone tell me wat is their name in the game so i can make them playable? thx :)

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Originally Posted by scout117

I have a question, I been trying to make Guatemala a playable faction for my Gran campaign, but i cant find them in the file, Idk if they have a different name or something, if they do, can someone tell me wat is their name in the game so i can make them playable? thx :)

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They are a part of the New Spain Faction at the start. Other than that I have never seen them as an independent faction.

Their an Emergent Faction, so they say, like Mexico and Quebec, so they should be on the list with the emergent counties, unless they lied about guatemala being one, and crushed all my hopes and dreams of making Guatemala into a super power lol

well i should have read this first, and i was trying 2 find guatemala so i can make them into a playable faction, but since they arent a proper emergant faction, now i see y i couldnt find them, dang and i was gonna make mexico 2, so i can be at war with them and kick their ass with Guatemala, no offence to mexicans in here :3

Well, you can do Grand Columbia vs. Mexico if you want but Guatemala and Panama are just out there on their own.

At least they have regions named after them. Some places don’t even have that.

The otherway that hasnt been mentioned is revolts in the main territory while the major power is still around

e.g Swedish rebels became Sweden just with a new flag
there was a revolt in the Netherlands against poland-lith but UP were still around never got a chance to see what they were called before it was crushed, but presumably that would have been a new faction