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Ok so I've seen a lot of polls out there, but I don't think I've seen this one. Hope to here from you all. Please no bashing certain factions.
I personally hate fighting Pahlava when I play as the AS. They are just such a pain in your side, and those horse archers are hell in a feild against your phalanx. It takes a lot for me to prepare an army to hold them back. Anyways hope to hear from you all.
As a true Roman thus descendant of Troy the only thing I can say is: SMASH PTOLEMAISM!!!
(I fear the "Greeks" even if they bring presents...)
:skull:
Ptolies. I don't know why, I just can't stand them. I'll gladly fight Grey Death over Yellow.
Ptollies are tough to fight, yes. Phalanxes, galatians. And egypt is a pain to conquer.
Wouldn't know what faction i hate the most. Perhaps the Germans when playing with Rome. Theyre a hell to conquer and not worth the effort considering their provinces.
AS, when they start to send the full stacks against me, I just don't like to see my army melting away against the Silver Shield/Mercenary spam armies of AS.
Saka. And absolute :flower: when you play as an early Baktria or AS.
In the west, I despise fighting those Eleutheroi full-stacks, as well as the Sweboz, since they usually swell to gargantuan proportions.
As Getai, the Romans are always a pain. Their massive heavy infantry armies combined with the sheer number of stacks makes Rome a nightmare opponent. They aren't particularly difficult to beat in a single engagement, but fighting stack after bloody stack thins your troops like nobody's business. That's why I prefer to push them back into Italy and just hold a bridge against them.
When playing AS or another eastern Faction: Pahlav and Saka - thoose nomads kill like nothing else (a special Problem with AS: if I want Cataphracts of my own I must loose agains't them atleast once and make sure the FM survives - very unpleasent and dangerous like hell...*)
Playing as Nomads(Pahlav, Saka): AS (once they start spamming stacks it gets very annoying + they get quite efficient skirmischer troops + you have to keep hitting them all the way to Antiocheia to get the quiet) and I quess later Ptolies (if they overrun AS the are almost the same). Biggest Problem is usualyy to fight other Nomads since there units are a lot the same and it all turns into a war of atrittion:thumbsdown:
Others: Romani - often I have to let then grow for the March of Time (but I don't wan't to let them grow a huge city). Makedonia or Epeiros depending which one takes over Hellas - taking Hellas away from them can easiely turn into a standing war.
* Does anyone know the concrete circumstances for the battle to make it give the Trait "Impressed by Cataphracts"?
As I play barbarians on a whole, the Romans are horrible to fight. They pump out stacks of cheap, solid dependable heavy infantry that go toe-to-toe with my Celtic, German, and Dacian line troops and whenever you annihilate five armies and think you got them beat, another one pops up on the edge of your screen.
I make sure I eliminate them from the game as early as possible, because then I actually have fun fighting other factions. I think this is a gut reaction from Vanilla, because the Romans were by far the most powerful and if you were playing Gaul or Britain, you had to kill them as quick as possible.
Sweboz,
1)There are a bloody lot of them
2)I hate fighting in those forests
3)the territories aren't really worth the trouble,
3)a)They are very rebellious and require larger garrisons than most
3)b)they don't make much profit
I hate fighting every faction wich sends me a cheap full stack armies, one by one, after ive managed to capture most of their towns and had only a few left. Its pretty annoying. In my recent game (as Pontos) ive conquered much of Egypt, but still, they attack me more than ever: they even somtimes send a 4-5 unit army to siege my full stack garrisoned city :no:
I just want to get rid of them :furious3:
In my latest game with Pontos i hated the Seleukids as they were sending stack after stack of various units everything from levys to catas.
I hated the Ptolis as they were sending cheap fullstacks or small armies of elites, they never made a well balanced army incredibly annoying.
I hated Epiros and Macedonians stack after stack of couple elites "supported" by huge number of schirmishers(canon-foder for my archers)
I didnt really hate theme or being affraid of theme they just annoy me the most:wall:
Yeah those themes can be pretty annoying hey.Quote:
Originally Posted by gostisa
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Originally Posted by gostisa
I decided to install force diplomacy mod to fix this.
Which is precisely why the real Romaioi left them alone eventually.Quote:
Perhaps the Germans when playing with Rome. They're a hell to conquer and not worth the effort considering their provinces.
I have to say I hate the Yellow Fever most. Especially when they get too powerful (which is almost always) and annihilate the AS, Pontos and Hayasdan :furious3:
Also, AS and Ptolies always hire fullstacks of mercenaries, and guess which mercs they hire first - (surprise, surprise) Misthophoroi Phalangitai :skull: As if they didn't have their own phalanxes. I also hate the sight of the Klerouchon Agema (although the unit is actually beautifully designed).
Romans are on second place, because fighting them is almost equally tiring, plus they always bribe Gallic armies and then proceed to annihilate the Arverni and Aedui. (Although in my own Romani campaign I am no better myself, as I bribed the provinces of Korsim, Sardin (plus excellent governor) and the Baleares within a few turns).
Sorry, but what the hell do the Romans/Trojans have to do with the Ptolemies?Quote:
Originally Posted by delablake
Anyway, I hate fighting against the Arche Seleukeia. Their endless stacks give me headaches.
Maion
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by HunGeneral
Any of them ;)
2 Pet Peeves:-
1) I've expanded as far as I'm going to in one particular direction, and my now my well balanced, super chevron garrisoned army, keeps getting beseiged by some 3/4 full stack's of crud every other turn. If I auto-resolve, I win with horrible losses (often 30% or more) AND half of their guys escape. If I auto-win it , I still take around 20% losses AND again a lot escape. So I have to spend 40 minutes fighting a very careful and canny battle, which kills most of them and I take less than 5% casualties.
Every....other.....turn...sigh........ makes it really, really hard not to say "oh frik to this, lets just go and wipe the annoying so and sos out completely, so I get some peace and quiet"..:dizzy2:
2) The above situation. Spend 5-10 minutes sallying out, getting in perfect formation, then they all run away without a battle !!:furious3:
I hated AS, but found ways to keep them away, but I really hate the sweboz and Saba for sending cheap fullstacks at me all the time and taking their homelands is no fun either.:furious3:
You can upgrade the city yourself and give it back to the Romans (or let them take it back). Worked fine in my Mak and KH campaign. I upgraded Capua and gave it via Force Diplomacy back to the Romans, next round I had my new Phalangitai.Quote:
Originally Posted by HunGeneral
About the faction that I hate fighting the most ... that would be AS if I start as a faction that directly borders on them. Endless stacks of Phalangitai:skull:. And if you are too lazy to fight a battle manually, you can lose a full stack against some crappy Pantodapoi Phalangitai:skull:.
Ceterum censeo Romam esse delendam
Depending on where i am on the map, either AS, ptolies, or the Romani - endless stacks every other turn until you're forced to go and wipe the faction out entirely (or force them into an obscure corner of the map)
I remember you mentioned that somewhere earlier. I intend to test it myself but I didn't have the time yet. So for Maks and KH it's clear - good to now:yes: Wonder if it might work for other Factions aswell... Maybe if I use add_population -4000 I might be able to keep them low until I reach them with Baktria, Pahlav or anyone else how gets units from MoT.:idea2:Quote:
Originally Posted by Zett
:focus: - I forgot to add KH to my list - I don't like there bigheadedness pluss towns far out of my reach keep rebelling to them. They defend there island with two full stacks and even landing there will make them ambush you.:wall:
Although i like the AS in real life, i hate to fight them in the game. One huge empire and they always win against the ptolemies.
no they don't. the ptolies can be yellow death as well. that's why I don't like them
As Indo-baktrians, I really hated the AS for sending wave after wave with fullstacked armies for my three indian cities. All I wanted to do was to retreat to the Indus valley and let the rest of the world work it's magic.
Well, as most people, AS is something I always anticipate with dread and excitement. Before I conquer everything west of the Caspian and Persian Gulf, the AS are actually somewhat fun to take on, as they represent quite a challenge. After that, they get boring. I do not hate fighting them as much as I anticipate the challenge. Most of my frustration with them comes when I have to face them with Romani, whose even most elite infantry gets steamrolled when attacking a phalanx from the front.
In reality however, my most dreaded and hated faction are the Sarmatians. Since in my campaigns I go on to conquer the world, I always encounter them. Not only are they obscenely spread out with enormous, Russian distances, but also, the Sarmatians are a faction of heavy cavalry armed with both bows and spears. They pelt me with arrows and then charge me with the cavalry, outflanking and surrounding me. They are such a pain :wall:.
And most of the pain comes from the arrows, which I must endure no matter what. The Bosphoran archer counter-fire helps, as does the more long ranged support of the Scythian foot archers, but I still suffer casualties that I never do in any of my other battles. Since I am a person who always strives for the lowest casualties, reloading when necessary, the armoured HAs are a major pain for me.
Parthians and Haysadan would be my other dreaded factions because of their Cataphracts, but they never develop in my campaigns. As for the Sweboz, despite their usually gargantuan empire, their troops are incredibly easy to rout. Forests are a problem, but I always avoid those battles, instead waiting for their armies to come to the aid of besieged or threatened settlements. Easy experience is all the Sweboz are for me.
I hate fighting agaisnt any horse archer faction, they just are really fast and difficult to catch. And they sting at you like mosquitos and then retreat to start another time... i hate them:yes:
Keep in mind i normally use infantry factions with cavalry as support
I know that with other peoples, the ptolies become yellow death but with me AS always become gray deathQuote:
Originally Posted by SwissBarbar
I hate them all. All of them eventually DoW you and spam you with fullstacks and never desists even though you wipe them and tske all their lands, "Peace, perhaps in the fullness of time, but not yet, some of you yet live# or whatever. Even when you have left them with only one province after wiping the floor with their fullstacks.
However, it is not the factions themself we hate in that case, it is the abjectly stupid AI.
I usually play Roman and I hate Carthage and Luso the most, Carthaginian Scum and Lusotanian barbarians, they must be killed to a man, woman and child, their lands taken, their cities burned, the ground cursed. May their genetials wither and fall off and... ahem... you get my drift.
I hate them even more as every second- third battle against them cause CTD. Sometimes I get 2-3 CTDs attempting ONE single battle before I succeed.
Hmmm, that also happens with me, although in significantly smaller intesity. Whenever I initiate a battle in Iberia, there is a roughly 2/5 chance I will have a CTD while the battle is still beginning to load. That is about all the CTDs I ever get in my campaigns, which makes it all the odder. And only in Iberia. I wonder why...Quote:
Originally Posted by Macilrille
Does anyone else have the same problems in Iberia?
This. Every single word is truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drewski
I haven't met a faction that can stand up to a combination of Komatai Thorakitai Stratiotai, Drapanai, Rhomphaiaphoroi, and Tarabostes (well, except the nomads, but the Getai have excellent archers and HA to combat them as well). A case of Yellow Fever can become rather annoying, though, as explained so thoroughly by Drewski above.
I hate to fight anyone who holds Iran. Conquering Iran is a pain in the ass, everybody uses gigantic amounts of archers that inflict you horrible casualties, retraining is difficult, distances are large, the landscape is rough and unpleasant and the populace is really difficult to keep in check.
I second that. I stopped my Romani-campaign AS-grinding when I reached Iran. Plus, I heard those guys have weapons of mass destruction...Quote:
Originally Posted by Centurio Nixalsverdrus
Oh, thats what the Eb team did to stop us from conquering Iberia, or atleast slow us down. Massive CTDS will wear you out a lot faster than those javelin wielding skirmishing infantry of the Lusitania. Iberia was difficult to subjegate anyways, but those mines are so tempting... :clown: (im joking about the EB team statement btw)Quote:
Originally Posted by Aemilius Paulus
Well, maybe they are my enemies? The Yellow Fever? Ever heard? :inquisitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by Maion Maroneios
Havent fought too much in Iberia till now: but if you are playing 1.2: have you tried the official fixes? I quess the one with unit sprites solves the problem that some Iberian (and other untis) in an army will cause a ctd while loading the battle. That one saved my first Makedonia campaign :yes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Aemilius Paulus
Yeah, they're called Hetairoi Kataphraktoi, best tanks in the game. :2thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Aemilius Paulus
Well, why did you say then you hate them because you're a Roman and thus a descendant of the Trojans? I understand if you hate the Ptolemaioi, I just couldn't make the connection between peoples that existed hundreds of years apart.Quote:
Originally Posted by delablake
Maion
shh... it's just part of another barbaroi conspiracy to make themselves seem less....barbaric
*Maions looks around suspicious, then turns to satalexton*Quote:
Originally Posted by satalexton
OK mate, I got it. Bring the rest of the Romaioktonoi and make sure this guy gets on the list...
Maion
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Originally Posted by Drewski
1) I avoid this by bringing my army home from each campaign for retraining and the rp reason that they would indeed only campaign away from home for so many years before they went back. I also build forts along my new borders and recruit garrison forces from nearby provinces to man them. This at least keeps the enemy from repeatedly besieging your towns. You can then bolster the garrisons in the forts which get attacked most. If they relentlessly attack you every turn you can try force diplomacy mod to make them ceasefire when it is obvious that they would do so, or crush them for good.
2) That is annoying but if you have some archers you can kill a bunch of them from behind as they run away. And on the bright side, the battle was a lot shorter hehe.
3) I like the AS, Ptolies, and Rome. I like to let them become strong simply to enjoy the challenge of defeating them later. With too many factions, I will destroy a couple of initial armies, and then their whole country is open to invasion. This is not the case with these three. They will fight you tooth and nail with stack after stack until you have crushed them. I do however detest fighting armies rich with mounted archers or skirmishers. I like infantry battles and chasing skirmishing units all over the map is not my idea of fun.
I love all that bows me, I hate all that sends me full stacks of endless armies that I have to fight even 6 battle in a just single turn!
but my revenge is painful click it how to revenge :
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LMAO :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Atraphoenix
What a bummer that you don't know how to spell boomerang. :laugh4:
you will laugh more if I say I work as an English Translator in the real life! :laugh4:
I hate everything that uses large numbers of horse archers. They are hard to catch and very hard to defeat with small casualties, and sometimes you want to shoot at footmen too. Very annyoing.
Romans are irritating too. It's fun to fight medium-sized armies of heavy infantry. It's not fun to fight superpower that sends those armies against you by the dozens every other turn and doesn't care even about alliances, let alone ceasefires.
I play as Rome so the ptolies only because by the time we meet our troops are each silver chevrons but they just have far more.
This is correct sir I just saved my Romani campaign with this.:2thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by HunGeneral
iberia and sw.... (german). It's not their soliders but the trees....... CA should allow me to cut down all the damn trees! :furious3:
Ｉｔｓ isnt CAs fault. Vannila has no Problem with trees... Its the EB Team, who made that incredible amount of trees.Quote:
Originally Posted by AqD
By the way the Team made rivers in the forests which causes CTDs if you ambush an army there....
I want Illirian faction instead of hate Saka:tongue:
And another german faction instead of Britons:drunk:
I hate Britanni because they are very powerful against my poor Aedui.:stars:
Nothing really new here...but I...hate...the Saka. I'm in a Baktrian campaign and they just won't die. Their HAs are killing me.
In my current campaign:
1. AS.
They bore the hell out of me.
Easy to beat, but doing so is like a chore.
2. Pontus.
Cheeky bastards, they are.
Not hard to beat, just show up at inopportune moments like after a long siege by AS, then taking a city for a few turns before my counterattack....
3. Sarmatians.
Sarmatian noble cavalry aren't just arrow-proof, they're f***ing bullet-proof!
It's damn easy to take their settlements though, but they're just not worth the trek north....
4. Lusotann.
Not normally annoying, but they've managed to forge a massive empire in France and Spain, so they've become a second AS. Tediously boring repetitive stack wars in the Alps and Po Valley.
It looks like most of us aggree that AS is a greek for "huge country spanning many continents with an endless stream of thre troops heading towards you...":juggle2:
It also seems most of us agree on the old saying: "Never mess with the nomads and if you do then expect the worst...":skull:
I messed with the nomads.Quote:
It also seems most of us agree on the old saying: "Never mess with the nomads and if you do then expect the worst..."
I love messing with the nomads.
I need to mess with the nomads to gain steppe armies necessary to fend off annoying barbarians on my Western front, on the cheap.
:oops: Sorrry, I must have mispelled something:wall:.
What I meant to write was: "Never mess with the nomads and if you do then better not underestimate them or expect the worst...:skull:"
I think I read a better one somewhere else but I can't remember where..:dizzy2:
With which faction(s)?Quote:
Originally Posted by IrishHitman
Actually, funny thing is I've never actually fought a nomad faction. I always play "civilized" nations and Makedonia to be more precise. I'm too spoiled with elite infantry and cavalry, I guess :tongue: But it seems people are actually having a tough time against them.
Now that I think of it, I've actually had my ass handed to me once by Scythia as the Greek Cities, back when I used to play vanilla RTW. I was all full of confidence, and when I finally started marching my Amroured Hoplites-based army north of Hellas to the steppes, I got owned bery badly by the horse archers... :shame:
Maion
i realy like the units of nomad factions. But i realy dread every confrontation with them, because i know i will loose more troops than justified by the cost of horse archers D:
on the other hand i hate(not dread) fighting the AS, mainly because of those endless waves of phalangites. I have become rather good at confronting phalanxes but it always takes so damn long to fight those fullstacks, as Phalangites are overrated in the auto resolver(that being the reason for me to fight those battles on the battle map). on top of that i can't raid their cities from the coast, exept for those in which they maintain a reasonable garrison :(
Sarmatians.Quote:
Originally Posted by HunGeneral
I crushed the Getai recently, and I'm having trouble with stack after stack of a Gaulo-Iberian Empire that keeps trying to invade Italy. I can't send my Macedonian forces over quickly enough.
Steppe armies do the job quickly.
Indeed >:|Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarkus
I might just pack in my Baktria game (temporarily, at least), because they (Saka) are just so flipping annoying. I've gone as far north as I care to, for now, am maintaining a peace with the Pahlav, and grinding my way through India and Iran. Naturally, the unbelievably-wealthy Saka Rauka have quickly rolled over the local independent tribes on their borders, and as they're perfectly content to remain at peace with Pahlava and Sauromatae, Baktria is the poor sod who has to deflect their attentions every time they're feeling a little braver.
If I'm lucky, I might be able to manoeuvre an army into position to fight a bridge battle against them, and only have to pay about half a stack of regular troops in order to scare them off (in order for this strategem to stand a chance, I have to bring about an even share each of the most veteran slingers and the best-armoured phalangites I can afford, plus FM). If not, they'll either rampage through my farmland and/or block trade lanes, or lay a siege (which, while they cannot win, being ALL CATAPHRACT HORSE ARCHERS OF DOOM, will cost me dearly, and them hardly at all).
Sometimes, I dream of the old AoE "torpedo#" cheat...
Actually, I didn't hate anyone particular, but when I play as Aedui or Avernii or Sweboz, I HATE SAUROMATAE!!! Their HA's pwned most of my infantry most of the time...
Timeo Danaos et Dona ferentes...Quote:
Originally Posted by delablake
Playing the aedui campaign I hate Romans...
why, maion, it seems we have a fresh recruit =D
Welcome to the fora, newcomer! Here, have your first balloon: :balloon3: Also, drop by at my Social Group, the Romaioktonoi (Roman Killers). We are in dire need of fresh blood.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glaurung
Maion
Thanks for the welcome...
I'm a veteran player of the vanilla version but a newbie of EB...this mod is very nice...
I've started the aedui campaign on VH/VH and I'm at war with arverni and romanii. The last remaining settlement of the celtic neighbours is under siege, and already kicked roman as**s in some minor battles.
What astonished me in EB is the initial financial crack I suffered, the initial army's upkeep was too big compared with the annual incomes...I went more than -30.000 mnai. Eventualy I've right-sized it and recovered from this economic crysis.
I think we've located the source of your trouble. EB was not designed to be played on VH Battle difficulty, you see.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glaurung
Maion
That must be a mistake... A EB Newbie playing the Aedui on VH VH without getting the beating of his life seems impossible to me ^^Quote:
Originally Posted by Maion Maroneios
Even hard is not reasonable with battles until you kick the enemy general and flank the enemy. VH is for the ones who has Xerxes Complex that wants to fight the enemy as 300 hundrands! :laugh4:
P.S. though it is a wonderful sadomasochism to watch Pandadapoi massacring your Pezos!
Ptolies.
They usually attack you as soon as one of your province touch theirs. And if you are playing as the romans, when you reach asia minor, The yellow death usually have the biggest empire ever, going as far as india
Thats for sure. If you want speed, efficiency and few losses - you need nomad warriors (prefereably Hrosemen).:charge::charge::charge:Quote:
Originally Posted by IrishHitman
I can understand that - Celts and germans lack quality missile troops and horsemen to fight well against nomads (the other problem beign lack of armor for most units). The thing that makes Sauros hard to beat is the distance - to reach there settlements you need many turns and if they attack you on open field and there is no hill nearby then one must prepare for heavy losses... :skull:Quote:
Originally Posted by Cute Wolf
You know you Romaioktonoi could use some nomads aswell - the only thing that kills romans faster then a charge of Hetairoi or Elephants is a charge of Nomad cavalry (pluss a rain of arrows as preperation - proof: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8tfKDcQyzM - Enjoy)Quote:
Originally Posted by Maion Maroneios
Try recruiting "Medininkas" (don't remember their current spelling), Baltic Frontiersmen. They are the only "barbarian" archers with decent range (187, should be more or less equal to most Nomadic HAs) and ammo. That they have spears for melee doesn't hurt either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cute Wolf
I love this video. I've seen it before, but I can never get enough of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by HunGeneral
Maion
Always hate sharing a border with the Romaioi - always end up having to wipe them out completely....which when i think about it isn't that bad after all :smash:
or, if you are playing as Sweboz, push east until you reach the black sea. and have some silver chevron bosphorian archersQuote:
Originally Posted by athanaric
You know you Romaioktonoi could use some nomads aswell - the only thing that kills romans faster then a charge of Hetairoi or Elephants is a charge of Nomad cavalry (pluss a rain of arrows as preperation - proof: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8tfKDcQyzM - Enjoy)[/QUOTE]
THAT WAS AN AWESOME VIDEO!
If the Carthies get some momentum in Italy they can become a real nightmare, satack after full stack of Elite African Pikemen and Elite African Shock Infantry, the only way of kicking them out is step by bloody step with about three stacks of trops and a lot of patience.
So far I've fought only against Arvernii, Eleutheroi and small stacks of Romani...and never got the beating of my life, believe me or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by seienchin
What do you mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by Maion Maroneios
Actually, vanilla RTW wasn't really meant for it either. It really just meant that your elite units could be massacred by say....... Greek cavalry.
I've read in the FAQs section that EB best balance is VH/M, otherwise AI gets huge stats bonuses on the battlefield...
I haven't experienced this so far...yes, AI is tough on the battlefield but a fight between two similar units (e.g. lugoae vs lugoae) is balanced, unless there are big experence differences..in any case elite units like bataroas even completely surrounded keep fighting
To be honest I didn't install the mod on a clean RTW-BI, because there was a mod already installed (Fourth Age TW), so is it possible that this altered the difficulty balances?
I always activate the EB script.