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I was thinking of starting a campaign as the Arche Seleukid. I've never been them before and I really like their unit list. It's just that the size of their empire is intimidating.
I want to ask you AS veterans what my first turns should be focused on, what faction should I attack first, and who not to attack, and etc.
A simple forum search should give you more than enough guides for the allmighty Arche Seleukeia.
Maion
Indeed, a little less mighty than Makedonia, and certainly a notch better than the incestous Ptolemaoi...
ALL HAIL MAKEDONIA!!!
Certainly less mighty than Makedonia. I just thought adding a given fact to be unnecessary.Quote:
Originally Posted by satalexton
Maion
:no: No one has told both of U to take tablets regularly?
:clown:
Ahahaha, made me laugh! :2thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Megalos Danielos Psychopatos
And I also have never played AS, maybe one day. But I like the idea of starting out simple and small, building your way up.
Don't tell me you're one of those crazy people as well!Quote:
Originally Posted by Megalos Danielos Psychopatos
Maion
Entirely possible with AS, as long as you don't mind cheating a tiny bit. I'm currently playing an AS campaign where i've let everything except Antiocheia and Damaskos revolt, and killed off everyone except the FL and his two sons - currently slowly rebuilding the Arche, bit by bit. The cheating bit comes in because it is great fun to do something like this - its also very expensive, hence needing to supply yourself with a bit of debt-clearing money now and again. However i'm playing this campaign purely for the fun of (re)building an Empire with one of my fav factions and unit rosters - never really like starting off with a mammoth empireQuote:
Originally Posted by vartan
Hi
I played a successful AS campaign, and i began by withdrawing and destroying everything from my farthest eastern provinces and then fortified and held the line Zadrakata, Apameia, Gabai and Karmana. Supporting these towns were troops from Persepolis, Susa and Ekbatana to repel seiges.
Whilst in the west, the great enemy is the Ptolemaioi, so i went on the offensive and attacked them before they could grow and develop, and kept up the pressure until they were not a threat, i found that by leaving the Ptolemaioi in control in western Egypt, i did not disturb Carthage before i was ready.
I made no threatening moves on my northern borders, but slowly strengthening my towns and using diplomacy to keep things quiet.
After Ptolemaioi i then went about subduing Parthia, then after Parthia was weakened i turned west to complete a successful campaign.
Hope this helps you have an enjoyable campaign GOOD LUCK!!!!!!!!!!!
How to properly troll a greek - refer to the Former Yugoslavian Republic of Macedonia simply as Macedonia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maion Maroneios
I immediately let the two northeastern cities go rebel, because they don't add anything and provide an unnecessary extra border with Baktria and Saka.
The two cities directly south of the Palahva starting position (Asaak and Hekatompylos i think?) were lost pretty early on. However, all of my other border towns in the east were given stone walls as soon as possible, because the cavalry heavy eastern factions have difficulty assaulting walls. All you really need as garrison is 1-2 units of arches and 1-2 units on pantodopoi to hold off all but the most powerful assaults.'
I immediately focused on grabbing the two Ptolemaic towns in Asia Minor, and after taking that, I also took Sidon to remove the immediate threat in the west. Then I went back to the east and retook Asaak and Hekatompylos, and even Nisa.
I have mostly stayed on the defensive in the East, though eventually I would like to capture Baktria and India.
The start is difficult, but I was surprised to find that I didn't ever go into debt, though money was tight in the beginning.
Now, around 230ish, I have all of Asia Minor and the Levant, and am preparing for a massive invasion of Egypt.
*An explosion is heard in the background just as Jaertecken finishes his sentense, indicating Maion bursted from fury*Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaertecken
:clown: OK, I'll stop spamming now.
Maion
Well, AS is an awesome faction and i love it, but it can be quite intimidating at first. your first turn is all about finances and taxes.
First set your capital to Susa. (this decreases unrest due to distance from capital.
Scroll through every single town and set your taxes as hugh as they can go wothout rebeling.
Also disband any cavalry.
Your two northeastern cities should be razed completly and taxes set to highest. Disband those Garrisons.
Next move your FH (theodotus) to Antiochea (it will take a few turns)
Move your entire garrison from asaak to Hekatompylos as it will get seiged and those men will die pointlessly.
I personally done recomend building stone walls anywhere as you can just use 1 or 2 phalanxes to hold them off.
ANY extra Garrisons frome sardis, ipsos, mazaka, damaskos, and edessa should be moved to antechea where they will form your first army (half stack) to blitz the levant. When theodotus gets there blitz tarsos and then sidon and heirosolyma. then, disband that armie and creatte a decent army from anteochea.... control asia minor frist and then secure your east. hope this helps.
Yeah, or else we will deport you to Macedonia. And not the the region of Macedonia either. No less than the country :evil:Quote:
Originally Posted by Maion Maroneios
They will tear up a nationalist like you there :clown:
So no more of that "I hate the Romans more than Hitler" crap anymore. Got it!
Well, excuse me dude, but the Barbaroi did kill more people than Hitler ever did. On a longer time period, of course, but more nevertheless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aemilius Paulus
Maion
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First of all hitler only killed 6 or 7 men when he was in the 1 world war ...lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Maion Maroneios
And i doubt that the romans killed more then 30 million people:laugh4:(sarcastic...this isn't funny)
In total 50 till 70 million people lost lost there lives in the 2 war
And people who compare things like that,because of a game,are just retarded and must be shot on sight(no joke)
So little child pls dont do that,compare serious things like that,because you love your stupid macamorons
That shit gets me angry
(sorry for posting coud not restain myself)
The Romans have existed as an empire for over 1,000 damn years dude. Even if they killed 10,000 per year (which they didn't, the number was way higher), the sum is 10,000,000 people. And note what I said, they certainly killed much more than 10,000 per year as an average. This includes their own dead soldiers, assassinations, deaths due to diseases spread by sieges, contamination of water etc. It's just that they killed more in a longer time period, while the technological advancement during WWII was so big in weaponry, that so many people died in just a few years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aurgelmir
It's simple math dude, and it's you that should be shot on sight I believe for taking things way too serious. I know a lot of people died during WWII and I don't take such matters as jokes, but I simply wanted to make an analogy. Think before you type away. And THINK, for God's sake, before you type something that is undoubtly going to piss someone off. Especially someone you have already pissed off in the past.
As for this funny statement of you calling me a child... Dude have you ever wondered how old your brain is with those statements that you make? For certainly, my little brother has much more brains that you do, at least from what you show me on the Internet. My spam about Makedonia is purely for fun, but that I have stated before. If you're too damn stupid to understand, then that's not my fault.
Good thing is though, you were smart enough not to try and call me names in Dutch.
Maion
if you click here you can see the units of AS but I do not know they are still same same with the last version 1.2 :
https://www.europabarbarorum.com/fac...eia_units.html
AS is one of my favourite factions but it is a torture to get hellenic katas!
https://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/u...taphraktoi.gif
this guys are awesome but no match for grivpandar.
so I am just stick to Pahlava overrunners of AS :beam:
P.S. build your phalanxes immediately for pahlava medium phalanxes and pezetairoi are invincable from front against arrows but not from back that is how I annihilate them :hmg:
Once u have catanks, pointy things seem more like toothpicks =D
I think your numbers are screwy. First of all, Rome existed for 1200 years, but that's only if you take it from the very founding of the city - bad idea. They didn't have much influence at that time and thus the number of deaths that resulted from their rule would be MUCH lower - maybe 10,000 when they were at war. Otherwise, it would be virtually no-one. Maybe, MAYBE 100 people per year. If you want to measure Roman influence, we should probably start around 300 BC and, going up until the rise of Augustus it steadily increases from there until they're killing maybe 20,000 per year (always accounting for spikes like when Hannibal was fighting them). During the reign of Augustus however, I'd say the the numbers drop a bit, since they were largely at peace and were only killing condemned criminals and barbarians in border wars. Then it remains relatively constant until their Empire starts going downhill, at which point more people start to die due to barbarian raids and the Romans' struggle to maintain power.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maion Maroneios
I honestly couldn't say how many they killed, but I think it's foolish to just make a blanket number of 10,000 per year and come to a grand total of 10,000,000. -M
Not to mention how many deaths they may of PREVENTED by uniting Most of europe under one solid power.
Also a good point. -M
Then dont post things what include hitler DUDE....that way YOU dont piss any body off ..a thumb up for you m8Quote:
Originally Posted by Maion Maroneios
And my statments look like that,because my english sucks...Take me on in a conversation about politics or theology in dutch or german(that's no sarcasm).I'm sure you would change your mind(or we could do a chess match online hehe)
And by the way if you gonna count casulty's on both side's,then in WW2 died 70.000.000(maybe more) people
I think that back there 70.000(only roman wars) people every year a little to much lol
I think there's a little overhype at this guys, I have a good section of my family tree wiped out by the Japs, but I don't flip over on anybody that mentioned the name Tojo. Let's just let this rest and lets go back on topic about The GREATNESS OF THE MAKEDONIAN ARCHE!!!
ALL HAIL MAKEDONIA
Dudes, you are all horrible at maths it seems. Have you no idea how things worked at that time? Even of we start counting at 300BC, the Byzantines have persisted as a Roman influence much later, even during the Middle Ages. Like the Holy Roman Empire. And people killed for fun back then. OK, a little exaggerated, but they weren't as soft as we are nowdays. I mean, Americans fear death for example. A lot more than 10,000 people died per year due to the Romans, be that for war or something else.
As for you, "Dutch chess and theology-politics expert", I believe this doesn't have to continue. If you're that bad at English, don't bother to type anything. And even if you were as good in those subjects as you brag that you are, it would be reflected at least a bit in your posts. Oh, and being good at chess doesn't make you a genius, you know. I happen not to be a great fan of chess, though I doubt I'm an idiot. Though I must say that there are enough of them, even in the EB fora.
Maion
Wishing to anger no one, I think this thread needs to be locked.
Agreed, we went too far.
Maion
First off all...learn to read...I said politics not philosophy..lol again and another thumb up for MaionQuote:
Originally Posted by Maion Maroneios
Mistakes are human, you know. Thanks for pointing out, though.
Maion
No prob m8,for you alwaysQuote:
Originally Posted by Maion Maroneios
Sorry for being nit-picky here... No disrespect intended, just a point of information:Quote:
Originally Posted by Maion Maroneios
The so-called "holy roman empire" was nothing other than the first attempt at creating a pan-German empire. And for a while, under the circumstances, a rather successful one, too. The double-headed eagle of it's standard still lives on in an altered form on the modern German military flag and a very modern interpretation of it can be seen in the German house of parliament ("Bundestag"), a huge, fat, nearly circular eagle.
However, this has little if not nothing to do with the ancient Roman empire.
One might as well call modern Tunisia the final remnant of the Carthaginian empire.
Even if the eagle was originally taken from Rome (of which I am not sure), it was a very different nation (or rather, compound of nations) that came into existence in the middle ages.
It was basically a loose-knit system of vassal states in name only, following their own agendae and even feuding among each other, struggling for power and land most of the time.
It was a successor-state of the eastern Franks' kingdom. The name was only used as a means to justify the "emperor's" position by means of religion. This was doomed to fail when the thirty-year-war started. It is also known as the "1. Reich", finally killed by Napoleon Bonaparte (forced last holy roman emperor to resign under threat of war),
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followed by the "2. Reich" which died at the end of WW1
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and finally the "3. Reich" (not posting the flag because it is known and would probably upset some people - which once more brings us to the subject of Hitler because he was at the head / wrong end of it, to be liberated by Mother Russia and Papa America in a big hail of bombs, shrapnel and, indirectly, by the ferocity of Japan (sufficient for the Americans to deem them the bigger threat and throw their mass destructive weapons on them rather than the Germans at that horrible point in history) and finally to be made into a type4gov't by BIG USA and a temporary type5gov't by USSR.
It is currently recovering from all the ruckus (I am aware of the severe understatement, take as sarkasm for lack of words) and trying to contribute to a united but diverse Europe.
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Sorry, got carried away but now I think the information might be interesting if you are interested in such things - so I am posting it, off-topic or not... If something is inaccurate or misleading - please point it out as I do not wish to mis-inform with my amateur's semi-knowledge here.
[EDIT] Discovered the first misleading part myself right after posting... There were other governments between the individual three "Reichs", for instance the Weimar Republic from which the current German flag comes. So the "empires" had intermission governments. [/EDIT]
I'm pretty sure, except for religious extremists, everybody fears death in some form, Survival instinct is hard to overcome you know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maion Maroneios
I think what he means is that back in those days death was more prevalent and in your face, now days we're more detached, plus we live longer as well so death seems a distant possibility. But aren't we getting off track here?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rilder
I know, but I meant differently. You see, in America for example, they put tons of make-up and stuff on a dead person for his funeral. As if they're afraid of it [death], you see. Here in Greece, for example, not only do you not put make-up on the dead, but you also kiss them during their funerals. I mean, modern life has made death something so foreign, while in truth it is merely a part of life. A never-ending circle that we all should accept as part of our lives.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rilder
Maion
Well, thanks to those who actually gave me some advice on the AS, which was I believe was only 4 out of the 30 posts on this thread. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/image.../gc-laugh4.gif
I was not expecting that asking for advice for the AS would trigger a discussion about Hitler and the Romans killing millions of people. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/image.../gc-dizzy2.gif
Heh this *is* the net after all :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Belisarius II
yeah guys ...sorry about that
I was to harsh with my posts:oops:
Sorry, should've kept my mouth shut. I appologize to everyone.
Now come on! :furious3:
Bloody hell Vasiliyi!
I thought you were better than that, I really am shocked that you would say something like that. You did seem like an alright bloke but I am seriously having trouble keeping this thing clean.
I am very tempted to vent my actual feelings right now regardless of the banning I would no doubt receive.
Please delete that filth right now, there is no call to say things like that.
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yeah the net
In a eye to eye conversation with the EB members...i think it would rather results in a intellectual discussion.
To hear someone's voice or see his face/expression,is helping alot not to"misunderstand"his input
Or disolve it with EB multiplayer lol (that reminds me,can somebody post a unmodified EDU ? i deleted one off my backup files...the wrong one)
Lol yeah the internet tends to bring things down to the lowest common denominator - don't think Vasiliyi meant to be particularly offensive - was just a bad taste 'net joke - sure that's been floating around the net for years anyway
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Originally Posted by Vasiliyi
This thread is doomed...
Belisarius II, I have no Idea how this could happen - the topic you posted was maybe a bit "old" as in "someone should post a sticky with an AS FAQ" because such threads pop up every other week, but it is not the only recurring subject on the EB forums and the others usually get around two to five "RTFM"-type responses and one or two quick answers to questions posted, then those threads fall to the realm of dead threads and are forgotten (to be replaced a week or so later by the next one).
But I have never seen them erupt in flames every other day...
Miotas is right though, Vasiliyi - your statement severely degrades the paralympics and they are certainly not called "retarded". People with physical handicaps who are trying hard to be energetic about it and lead a normal life - including participation in sports - must feel bad when reading such posts, try to understand their situation, it's a bit like being told "you are worthless, no matter what you do" - which is both emotionally and very practically wrong.
The post does look like you just didn't take this into consideration, so maybe adding an "edit" would be appropriate. I don't think you meant any harm by writing that and you are right about the futility of arguing on the internet.
This time, I'd like to add something on topic:
Killing off Pontos and taking Mikra Asia is more important than winning in the east at the start. Once you have all of Mikra Asia, it is easy to defend from only three places (Byzantion or Nikaia, Antiocheia, Amaseia or Trapezous). This will save you garrison upkeep for the rest and it has quite a few sea ports and even some mines, so you will get your coffers well filled from there.
Then, you will have resources to drive the Ptolemaioi out of the "near east" - which is still more lucrative than to dominate eastern Asia. Take Alexandreia, then either kill the Ptolemaioi by moving up the nile - or just hold Alexandreia and turn east from there on - now you should be able to field real juggernaught armies, fearless of no matter what the Pahlava throw at you.
You could try to hold the Pahlava off at the choke point you have at the start of the game - the province directly to the west of Baktria. As in retake it if it is conquered with all surplus garrisons from surrounding settlements, then fortify and fill with archers and 2-4 phalanxes (pantodapoi ph.).
Forget about those two extreme north-eastern settlements jammed between Baktria, Pahlava and Saka. Dunno about upkeep costs - but Shipri Tukul and eastern heavy cavalry (Kuashevagan? argh, this somehow reads wrong) for the win!!
I caution you that this is purely theoretical as I have never played AS yet.
Apologize to everyone. It was late and i dont know what i was thinking
http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/duty_calls.png
...I really cant resist it, for that sums up wts going on in this thread...Well, Vasiliyi, there's a fair possibility that i may not be in an indirect manner expressing the probable chance of refering to contents of your posts, while in reality satirizing the responses of certain others....
Back OT:
A good tactic is to hamstring the Ptolemies early on by raiding (enslave+tear down buildings) Alexandreia. You can attempt to do the same to Memphis if you can, too. Give the cities and a proportion of the loot to Makedonia, for they'll cause trouble for the Ptolemies for a good while. Use the remainder of that force to retake palastine, expell Hierosomlyia (sp) to give a small population boost to your other settlements (The faster your fringe settlements turn easten-greek in culture, the faster you stablize your empire).
Now depending on your playing style, you can either deal with the pesky nomads, or retrain that initial strike force and clean up Mikra Asia. Pontos WILL be a nasty pain if you let them build up.
here, here!Quote:
the topic you posted was maybe a bit "old" as in "someone should post a sticky with an AS FAQ" because such threads pop up every other week,
I strongly support such a motion!
Hasn't anyone done an AS guide that could be stickied?
Still you can witness here what spamming threads brings, even if you dont mean it that way (or do it as a joke in this case) you can see what it can lead to, flame wars such as these....
Posting your opinion, even if it is a joke, try to limit it if it might annoy people. Cases like these should be avoided in the future:thumbsdown:
Don't get me wrong, everyone has the right to let his/her opinion be known, but no need to start pointless flame wars.
Hitler was a wannabe Roman, just like Napoleon.... And Mussolini!:yes:
For the AS....:sweatdrop:
To defend eastern cities, an persian archer/levy phalanx combo can make you hold out very long. Enough time to pacify the west and then march on the eastern states and utterly destroy them!:laugh4:
ahh yes, wt I like about the levy phalanx of AS is that they have axes... which mean they can hold out fairly well in a moshpit fight. 2 roles in one unit always helps when ur spread thin in the early stages of the campaign.
Yes, quite a bit uber, actually (the pantodapoi phalangitai).
They can kill off pezhetairoi under certain circumstances (1on1). And they are definitely overpowered when compared to klerouchoi phalangitai. No chance against them with hoplitai haploi (the nearest comparable militia unit of the KH). But all this is probably mainly because the pantodapoi phalangitai get the same phalanx frontal def boost as any elite phalanx.
Very useful when confronted with HA armies.
In sally-battles just form up your archers behind them: Persian archers should have better range than HAs. While the enemy is shooting at your phalangites and thus not thinking what else to do (flanking, coming closer and switching targets etc. - the AI is perfectly happy to sit and shoot whenever it has a valid target in range), you can shoot from behind the phalanx and slowly kill them off without taking casualties...
Fluvius Camillus, again I rant off-topic and ask you to forgive my German history related nit-picking - but I think Hitler was more a wannabe Suebe with "King Arthur"(hollywood film)-Saxon boss views especially regarding the value of human life and utter racism beyond any pretence of sanity... Gruesome as the Romans were, I believe the general Roman attitude to "Barbarians" as they called anyone not Roman or Greek (or Punic...?) was not as bad as Hitler's type of racism and especially I cannot recall reading/hearing that they ever planned to wipe out entire peoples... Although the conquest of Carthage amounts to genocide and slavery has some common aspects with the nazi "work-camps" (an ancient metal mine or stone quarry would have been little different going by the EB in-game building description of mines), even the Romans were not quite as... *deliberate*.
Mussolini must have been a wannabe Roman though - didn't he re-invent that decorative side-arm from which the word "faschism" stems?
Napoleon Bonaparte... Not sure, I thought he wanted to resurrect the Franks' empire in his name?
But I guess labeling them all wannabe-Romans for fun's sake does help to end the discussion of *hot* politics here in a pleasant way, so if that was your intention I apologize for this resting topic grave-digging. I will try to post about it no more (unless specifically adressed by someone ^^).
When I'm done with my current, rather far advanced KH campaign, I will do an AS campaign and post a guide after a few campaign-start attempts with the one I find most successful.