A bit of strategy ........

I am currently playing as the Romani and are at war with Epiros and Aedui. I invaded Segestica, Dalminion and Epidamnos. The Epiros war machine has gone into overdrive and they have retaken Segestica, now they want Epidamnos and so far I have repelled three sieges. They have besieged again with a full size stack and this time I WILL DIE! I have an army in training in Southern Italy, but it will not be ready in time.
Epiros are not happy in a ceasefire, as they have me between a rock and a hard place.

I can offer the settlement to them plus 22k and I get to save 2 Roman Generals. What would you do?

In Gaul my Arverni allies have faultered against the Aedui, therefore I will want to use my full militiary power to push the Barbarian scum back. I intend to fully withdraw my forces from Epidamnos and Dalminion for now.

Short answer: Nothing. This is what happens when Romaioi Barbaroi mess with Hellenes. Just pray they'll show mercy to you (which they probably won't, by the way).

Maion

Ofcourse maion, ofcourse.

Pay no attention to the post above me. As for what u can do, my best bet is to lose the city with the generals, raise another legion to defend the pass near patavium. Then when u have taken enough of gaul, attack to defend your honor.

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Originally Posted by Maion Maroneios

Just pray they'll show mercy to you (which they probably won't, by the way).

Maion

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Oh, you mean like how Flaminius showed mercy to the armies of Philip V?:laugh4:

As for what to do, I agree with Vasiliyi - the Romani do not back down. They would never surrender, and when that army was destroyed, they would build another one. Also, I'd recommend fighting that Epeirote army sooner rather than later - that way you can take more of them with you and hopefully there will be fewer to fight when you send your next army. -M

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Originally Posted by Mulceber

Oh, you mean like how Flaminius showed mercy to the armies of Philip V?:laugh4:

As for what to do, I agree with Vasiliyi - the Romani do not back down. They would let never surrender, and when that army was destroyed, they would build another one. -M

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Yep, and just like Pyrrhos showed mercy to the Romaioi.

Maion

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Originally Posted by Maion Maroneios

Yep, and just like Pyrrhos showed mercy to the Romaioi.

Maion

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You indeed seem a bit confused:laugh4:.

I agree with everyone else... You should try to defeat the most of the Epirote army as you can, and try to regain the city a few years later... If Eperios conquered a large part of greece, i suggest that you send 2 or even 3 legions against them, take 3 cities at once, so that you may have a large stronghold in greece.

Before you do that, try conquering the cisalpine gaul, build forts on every entry point and leave a legion in the po valley to defend any intrusion by the barbarians....

That's what i did in my romani campaing a long long time ago:yes:

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Originally Posted by anubis88

You indeed seem a bit confused:laugh4:

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:inquisitive:

Maion

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Originally Posted by Mulceber

Oh, you mean like how Flaminius showed mercy to the armies of Philip V?:laugh4:

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Don't forget Pydna! It was pretty mercifull to kill only 25000 Macedonians.

:yes:

Yeah, that's the battle I was thinking of... -M

Philip V => Battle of Cynoscephalae
Perseus => Battle of Pydna

Can't remember which battle the Macedonians won though....

;)

Ah my mistake. I was conflating two different wars between the Macedonians and Romans...I really need to study the Hellenistic wars more... -M

Retreat all troops from all fronts, land your armies near Pella, take it, enslave it raze every building that can be destroyed (including the royal tombs) then do it again until there are 400 people left. Then leave it to rebel and people will achieve nothing there for ages... Then make a screenshot of the stone age ruins called "Pella" and send it to Maion together with the battle reviews of Cynoscephalae and Pydna:clown:

Now for the serious part, could you post a map of your empire, to fully understand your situation?:book:

~Fluvius

Oh easy, all you really need to do is surrender, rename your capital back to Barbaropolis. and promise to send a tenth of your healthy population to Hellas every year as tax. And rest assured, they will not be used as slaves...

Maion is just pretending to be scary and threatening, Hellenes are actually very tolerant and merciful people.

these things are getting scary :clown:

2 FMs are worth nothing, I'm not an RP'er so in most cases I don't give a crap. Retreat, get your northern border sorted out and then go rape the Epirot heartland while their armies are conquering some backwater barbarian provinces.

I agree. The key is to do the most damage where they are least able to defend. Attacking Illyria ends up, imho, being a war of attrition. I'd send a fleet with a legion or two to attack wherever the Epeirotes are poorly defended. -M

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Originally Posted by Scipio Asiaticus

I am currently playing as the Romani and are at war with Epiros and Aedui. I invaded Segestica, Dalminion and Epidamnos. The Epiros war machine has gone into overdrive and they have retaken Segestica, now they want Epidamnos and so far I have repelled three sieges. They have besieged again with a full size stack and this time I WILL DIE! I have an army in training in Southern Italy, but it will not be ready in time.
Epiros are not happy in a ceasefire, as they have me between a rock and a hard place.

I can offer the settlement to them plus 22k and I get to save 2 Roman Generals. What would you do?

In Gaul my Arverni allies have faultered against the Aedui, therefore I will want to use my full militiary power to push the Barbarian scum back. I intend to fully withdraw my forces from Epidamnos and Dalminion for now.

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When playing as Rome, do as the Romans. No matter what never back down! lol. They're just Hellene scum anyways (jk rofl rofl)

Well Guys,

Thanks for all the feedback, I found it interesting and some of it funny. What did I do?

I chose to let Epiros attack my besieged forces in Epidamnos, I knew that it would result in loss of the city and death of all my men. However I chose to destroy all buildings that they could use miltiarily, so they could not churn forces out of the city.

They attacked with 1400 men, against 250 Romans, they captured the city, for the loss of 900 men!
A number of you stated that a Roman would never surrender and that it what I chose to do.

Maion, Interestingly the majority of my men were Greeks conscripted from Southern Italy, so in fact the Hellenes, were killing their own!

What now?
My Southern Legion based in Taras will depart to my Northern Provinces as the Sweboz, have attacked Mediolanium. At the same time the Arverni and Lustanians break their alliances, so I will be very busy shortly crushing Barbarians and will leave the Greeks for the time being. A Legion will move to Patavium area to repel any Greek incursions. My Adriatic Fleet will continue to harrass Epiros ports and Navy

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Originally Posted by Scipio Asiaticus

Maion, Interestingly the majority of my men were Greeks conscripted from Southern Italy, so in fact the Hellenes, were killing their own!

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Damn Southrons. Doesn't surprise me actually, all those perfumed fops with their prized "poleis krate" can think of is how to further swell their pockets. But who would have thought they'd actually fight for Barbaroi (The) in exchange for some coins!

Maion

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Originally Posted by Scipio Asiaticus

Well Guys,

Thanks for all the feedback, I found it interesting and some of it funny. What did I do?

I chose to let Epiros attack my besieged forces in Epidamnos, I knew that it would result in loss of the city and death of all my men. However I chose to destroy all buildings that they could use miltiarily, so they could not churn forces out of the city.

They attacked with 1400 men, against 250 Romans, they captured the city, for the loss of 900 men!
A number of you stated that a Roman would never surrender and that it what I chose to do.

Maion, Interestingly the majority of my men were Greeks conscripted from Southern Italy, so in fact the Hellenes, were killing their own!

What now?
My Southern Legion based in Taras will depart to my Northern Provinces as the Sweboz, have attacked Mediolanium. At the same time the Arverni and Lustanians break their alliances, so I will be very busy shortly crushing Barbarians and will leave the Greeks for the time being. A Legion will move to Patavium area to repel any Greek incursions. My Adriatic Fleet will continue to harrass Epiros ports and Navy

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Sounds like you've done as much as possible given the amount of fronts you're fighting on. I'd also send a spy or two to the Epirote homelands with an eye to razing them to the ground once they've been left with a unit or two defending them - give you some more breathing room at least.

a hellene that fights for the barbaroi is barbaroi himself

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Originally Posted by satalexton

a hellene that fights for the barbaroi is a barbaroi himself

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Too true, too true...

Maion

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Originally Posted by satalexton

a hellene that fights for the barbaroi is a barbaroi himself

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A Hellene that speak barbaric Greek is a barbaros as well!:inquisitive::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

Sorry guys, but just could not resist:clown:
Sorry for spamming :shame:

And anyway, the Makedones don't even speak proper Greek!

(Just couldn't resist it)

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Originally Posted by Mr Polska

And anyway, the Makedones don't even speak proper Greek!

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:inquisitive: Don't get you, I'm afraid.

Maion

oh I do! he is saying he wants to be lifted very high into the air, with the aid of a sarissae!

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Originally Posted by satalexton

oh I do! he is saying he wants to be lifted very high into the air, with the aid of a sarissae!

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:laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:

Maion

HEY you two Hellene Lovers!

You are spamming every second thread with your delusions about Hellenic grandeur. You may find it amusing, but it is, TBH, getting tiresome- especially as there is no arguing with delusional people. But at least do us a favour and limit yourself somewhat. The guy is asking for strategical advice, you are both experienced players, so some help for him would probably be appreciated more than rehash of how superior you think Greeks are to anybody else. We already know you hold those delusions, help the guy instead.


Sorry, I just needed to went some steam. You two have in fact turned very close to every second thread into non-serious, OT, Hellene-loving spam.

Maion and satalexton, guess you have never seen a longsword up close before.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/readers/2008...ongsword_1.jpg

These have actually been used to defeat your beloved sarissae.

wrong period mate =P unless medieval swordsmen have time machines strapped to their backs, they cant touch us!

Did I mention that it was the makedones that stemmed the invasion of the galatikoi? Terrible they may be, that had been defeated by the trusty sarissae and dory...and even w/o them, we have the xiphos and kopis!

and if worst come to worst, A few charging nellies will send you lot packing your bodies back to your clay huts and ew..soap.

What happened to Macedonian king Ptolemy Keraunos (and his Macedonian army) when he met the Galatians??

oh that was a drinking accident...another reason why you shouldn't drink and driv- er.. go to battle.

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Originally Posted by Macilrille

HEY you two Hellene Lovers!

You are spamming every second thread with your delusions about Hellenic grandeur. You may find it amusing, but it is, TBH, getting tiresome- especially as there is no arguing with delusional people. But at least do us a favour and limit yourself somewhat. The guy is asking for strategical advice, you are both experienced players, so some help for him would probably be appreciated more than rehash of how superior you think Greeks are to anybody else. We already know you hold those delusions, help the guy instead.


Sorry, I just needed to went some steam. You two have in fact turned very close to every second thread into non-serious, OT, Hellene-loving spam.

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Getting angry, are we?

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Originally Posted by Vilkku92

Maion and satalexton, guess you have never seen a longsword up close before.

http://s3.amazonaws.com/readers/2008...ongsword_1.jpg

These have actually been used to defeat your beloved sarissae.

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WAAAY off the EB-time period dude.

EDIT: OK, just realized Satalexton already said that :tongue:

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Originally Posted by Dutchhoplite

What happened to Macedonian king Ptolemy Keraunos (and his Macedonian army) when he met the Galatians??

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Tha same as what happened when the Galatians met Seleucid elephants.

Maion

No Maion, I am not angry, I have accepted your delusions without myself denying the greatness of Hellas. But I am annoyed that you two had turned every second thread into Hellene-loving drivel when you yourself Maion is the first to pounce on other spammers, I sort of dislike double standards.

I would much rather have you just keep On Topic for I realise that it is too much to expect that you will ever be subjective on matters Hellenic.

As for the longsword it is a fine specimen of a 14th century one as far as I can see, and a replica not meant for combat, but I guess that is what he could find quickly.

It should of course have been the Gladius Hispanensis... or come to think of it, despite the Romans routinely slaughtering the Hellenes, the ones to kill most hellened were neither Romans nor Celts, it was other Hellenes, so it should be a Sarissa or Hoplite spear ;-)

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Originally Posted by Maion Maroneios

Getting angry, are we?
Maion

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Sorry Maion, but I must second Macilrille.
I am myself a loyal fanatic of (Greek) Hellenism AND I have read some posts from you (that deal with
other topics or with details of hellenic warfare or other technical stuff) that I found very entertaining and informative.
However, everytime the dual mean-machine-spike-all-disbelievers-very-high-into-the-air-upon-extra-hellenic-and-long-sarissae-super-phalanx of Maion and Satalexton appears on the horizon, any other topics crawl under the carpet and start crying for their mothers, except that their mothers can't help them because they are quickly impaled on the sarissae...
And this is bound to happen as soon as someone mentions either anything connected with hellenism or with the enemies of hellenism. Maybe next thing it is going to be anything during the same time period as hellenism, then same planet, then same galaxy--- I mean, you did already claim thatBartix be a member of hellenism, right?
Look, this is all quite funny and I like an occasional not-too-objective rant upon the greatness of hellas, might even partake in one - but it seems to be getting a bit out of hand as of late. There are of course threads where it is appropriate - for instance the legendary legion vs phalanx war thread, which is where I think all this started - but this is a thread asking for hints at Roman strategy. Count the number of brainfart-posts and the number of on-topic-posts...
My count up to this one:
On topic, including OP: 9
Off topic, unhappy about it/responding to this, including this post:4
Off topic, happily screaming hellenism or responding to it:21
No topic, inquisitive smiley by Maion:1
To be fair, I must say that you two are not the only ones currently engaging in this sort of subconscious-spilling on threads that can be construed to justify it. But you are the ones currently doing it in this thread, and it would be wrong to let Macilrille take all the retaliation for saying what probably more users than just the two of us think.
And one or two hellene-praise posts per thread would be fine with me no matter what the topic.
However, this is a bit much.

BTW, I liked the HAIL makedonia version better than HEIL makedonia... But that's just my opinion of course.

Fine, we'll take apart our sarissae for a while =] (convenient huh? our sarissae come with bronze rings that hold the 2 pieces together, another proof of our hellenic superi- ahem, tactical prowness =D)

And congrats =], finally you start to pick up on our (a little too) subtle sarcasm.

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Originally Posted by Scipio Asiaticus

I can offer the settlement to them plus 22k and I get to save 2 Roman Generals. What would you do?

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Hey, just read two eb - quotes that might help you a bit:

first: "Ah! The generals! They are numerous but not good for much!"
Second: "Stop quoting law. We carry Swords"

So my choice would be a towndefendtodeath-fight - phalanxes don´t work on walls.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

But: "The man who runs away will fight again."

Yes back to the original question.

A while back there was a thread named "Understanding a Sally" I think, dealing with how your inferior garission could wear down their enemies in sallies and eventually defeat them. I think the original poster here would reap much benefit from reading that thread. Even if vastly ouynumbered there is no reason to just wait, starve, then fight to the last. You can do some serious damage to the besiegers in sallies.

Now when I actually met this thread first the poster had already fought to the last and inflivted heavy casualties. But for the future the sally tactic may be beneficial. Or if he has a savegame he can go back and try again.

i adore using slingers and archers on the walls, along with cheap hippakonkistai to wear down a larger enemy every turn. usually they give up and retreat after half their numbers are lost..

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Originally Posted by satalexton

i adore using slingers and archers on the walls, along with cheap hippakonkistai to wear down a larger enemy every turn. usually they give up and retreat after half their numbers are lost..

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:2thumbsup:

So do I, and if they keep out of range I just send out some cheap skirmisher to draw them in. Often this turns into a Heroic Victory.

Hehe, ok you're both quite funny :beam:

Maion