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of socialism is in the air!
It is a good smell.
Yeah, it is a great smell.
lenin96, the new hardcore :beam:
by the way it stinks
http://vincentderoeck.blogspot.com/2...y-repeats.html
Yeah... more people could call me that...Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
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Originally Posted by Fragony
fixed :beam:Quote:
Originally Posted by lenin96
Hmmm..... what does this rearagement of smilies mean...?
THE TRUTHQuote:
Originally Posted by lenin96
Communism in smiley's by :help:
:book: ---> :furious3: leads to :whip: on :inquisitive: leads to :no: ---> :skull:
:yes:
I see what you mean now...Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
OH GOD I CAN FEEL IT
I am convinced, who's with me! heh everybody naturally
VIVA LA REVOLUTION
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Originally Posted by Fragony
Give it a rest Vuk... This is a Corporation VOLUNTARILY being Nationalised.
People saying no to a bag of free money that secures their comfortable future, who would have thought. GM should split up in smaller bite-size healthy segments that can be taken in by other company's, who can compete with the state? Doesn't matter what GM wants they aren't in a position to want anything. What good is it a good thing to put GM on the costly breathing machine as a whole. It's idiocy.Quote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
ummm...so what?Quote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
You seem to be saying (Though it is hard to tell given that you didn't actually make a point at all) that a Corporation voluntarily giving itself to a government is Socialism. This is not the case - Socialism is the seizing of private property by the working class. Yes, many Socialists (including myself) believe this is a good thing, but it should be noted that the fact that 50% of the company remains in private hands indicates it cannot be a Socialist creation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Just Vuk Again
No one can compete with the State and that is usually the point. In this case it isn't a matter of competition - it is a matter of saving the jobs of those who work there. By being subsumed into the government their jobs are less likely to be lost in the near future. The government should make an effort for this to become profitable and then spread this around for the public good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
Why not?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
I disagree with this on the most basic level, artificially keeping this clumsy monster alive is a mistake. In the end the result is that everybody who has a bright idea will be placed out of the market, how can anyone compete with this? Why would anyone want to innovate? It's a killer.Quote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
Haven't General Electric/General Motors been using their lobbying power to feed off of government subsidies for quite a while? And that is why much less of their value is in foreign assets compared to European companies?
You Yanks are commies, come over to Europe if you want to compete in a real free market!
Better at least. I am almost getting the feeling that the Obama administration is trying to harm the American economy. America should play to it's strenghts, if it loses the edge in r&d it's little more then the concert playing on the Titanic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr
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Originally Posted by Fragony
I'm not sure that would get him re-elected...
I said almost, but I don't like him, there is something wrong with that guy. What he does is good for the shareholders but not for the ecomomy, what he has done so far makes little sense to me. Buying up just about everything that is unhealthy because of a few workers, yeah right. Should have elected Ron Paul.Quote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
That's all good and well. But, the auto-industry employs a huge number of people, with both GM and Ford one quarter of a million people worldwide, a third of which employed in the US. And in this current highly volatile and fragile environment the government cannot afford either to collapse. It only takes one crack to burst the dam wall.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fragony
Edit: They'll bring it down to the bare-bones and rebuild from there. As much as you'd like to think they are, they aren't all idiots.
Who said he is keeping elections going? Hitler nationalised companies, next thing you know there are no elections.Quote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
Most company's have various brands, that is very easy to split up, and very easy to trade individually, peanut butter, that stuff. Why gob the entire thing up, I mean it isn't like people are strarving because of our excellent programs, and there would be even more money to give to them because our excellent programs would lose less money to bad business.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psychonaut
It's a very capitalist government that gains capital in this way, if the companies cannot outcompete the government, they might get bought by the government. ~D
Creates some healthy competition.
To pull that off in the US you'll need to be immensly popular (that's why the Bush conspiracists could easily be identified as conspiracists) . :book:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhyfelwyr
Old hat.
This is less fresh
Than a bunch of Texans
Talking about
How their state can and will
Secede from the union.
The union of states
Has regularly gone
Through periods
Of over regulation
Then under regulation.
Over regulation, then under regulation.
Over regulation, then under regulation.
It fluctuates like the tides:
A response to gravity and the shifting ground beneath
Waves rise high, then fall low.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoyoma1910
We are used to this, I know.
We have weathered them all,
The dikes did not fall.
But some waves are too great,
And dam has to break.
And if things keep going at this rate,
That, I fear, is our fate.
Uh I'm from New Orleans. The Dykes did fall. They fall all the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Just Vuk Again
Cities can be rebuilt Yoyoma. The US cannot. It was created in unique circumstances that allowed for its creation. If the US falls, you will never see its like again in history. And I am not sure if you noticed, but bad things happened to the inhabitants when the dykes broke. The point, generally, is to prevent that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoyoma1910
Maar jij kunt dansen op de woeste golven. Zout op je lippen, je haar in de wind. Bijna door de zee bedolven, maar als je blijft staan heb je zeebenen kind.
"But you can dance on the waves, salt on your lips, hair in the wind. Almost overtaken by the sea, but if you stand tall you have sealegs my dear"
A good way for the administration to hedge their bets here. If miracles of miracles this somehow produces a better product, the government looks like heros. If GM continues to die, which I would bet on, they can say "well it was only half government owned, it's not our fault."
Nevermind that the mechanism behind voluntary nationalism is highly suspect to me. Does any company qualify for that? "Yeah, my business is going down the tube. But sign a few forms and now the government will pay my workers' wages!"
Yeah you would have thought that socialism of the nationalisation flavour would involve putting viable companies under state control .Quote:
Nevermind that the mechanism behind voluntary nationalism is highly suspect to me
Surely offloading a screwed up company onto a bunch of muppets isn't socialism , its capitalism at its prime .
It's neither - it's stupid.
Uh, I was one of those inhabitants. My family has been dealing with floods in this region since many years before the U.S. was a dream of the merchant British settlers, under many flags, including some they likely do not teach you about in your history books.Quote:
Originally Posted by Just Vuk Again
As a citizen of this great union, it has my full support, and I will defend the constitution of the U.S. with my life. But for you to say that it is ending, or something along this manner, because something that has happened time and time again since this nation was formed, is quite frankly, ridiculous. Get some perspective on the situation before you go crying about the falling sky.
I do hope you are not suggesting that our regular homeschooled hero is nothing but a chicken littleQuote:
Get some perspective on the situation before you go crying about the falling sky.