(Semi) Medical Question

So I cut my left hand up something dramatic while working with a tree-trimmer. A stupid accident, but aren't they all? Finger mobility is fine, nerves appear to be fine, just a neat gash on the index finger and a spectacular one on the middle.

Let me stipulate that our health insurance is junk. Worse than junk. Our insurer appears to spend most of their time figuring out new and creative ways to deny claims or stick you with a crazy bill. So we pretty much act as though we had no insurance, since that's the practical effect. For instance, when my son had breathing problems, we got stuck with a multi-thousand dollar bill, even though every procedure was supposedly covered. (If you really want to know how they pulled that I will explain, but it's long and tedious, and the upshot is that when you play poker with an opponent who can declare what any card is worth as the game is played, you lose.)

I only bring this up so you will understand why I am reluctant to go to the doctor. If I can avoid spending several hundred dollars, I'd like to skip it.

So. As an old ex-lifeguard, I have all of my first aid and CPR training, and it isn't completely gone. I cleaned and dressed both wounds, smearing plenty of Neosporin in each gash.

Both fingers appear to be healing just fine, but on the middle one there are two strips of white (dead?) flesh, about 4 mm in width, on both sides of the wound. What I cannot remember is whether you should trim dead flesh or wait it out. The Neosporin and twice-daily dressing changes are doing wonders, but I cannot for the life of me remember what you're supposed to do with a small amount of potentially necrotic tissue.

Advice appreciated.

Go. To. The. Doctor.


You are asking the INTERNET for advice.

Fine, be that way. I'll go ask the RN next door. That will involve walking, you insensitive clod.

As for going to the doctor, I think I explained why I'd rather not. If I'm going to be financially violated, I'd like it to involve two blondes and a bottle of champagne.

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Go. To. The. Doctor.


You are asking the INTERNET for advice.

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Oh, come now, the internet is a perfectly acceptable place to get medical advice. Now, in my professional opinion as a member of the internet, you are suffering from bonus eruptus, a terrible disease where the skeleton tries to leap out the mouth and escape the body. I'll need a golf cart motor and a thousand volt capacimator, stat!

I think I have monkeypox, and that's the final word on the matter.

I'll see how it's doing tomorrow. If anything falls off, I'll let y'all know.

Somewhere up north, Beirut is chuckling...

Are we talking a mini-chainsaw here, or something a little less lethal to the zombies? What sort of blade (and potential tetanus host) is involved here?

I don't know if the white flesh should be removed or not. I generally trim this off on my smaller wounds, but I'm not sure if this is medically correct or not. I go by the rule "if it hurts, don't remove it". So I take a snip, if it stings, I stop. But I had a recent one where the cut was deep enough that the edges (which were white) successfully grew back together and covered the gash. But I was very worried about an infection growing underneath. Any way to get oral antibiotics without getting reamed by the medical industrial complex?

It was a folding handsaw, about two feet long, very sharp, very clean. No motorized saws involved, thank goodness. Just trimming the pine so's the kids can run under it more easily.

I think I'm a prime candidate for larval debridement therapy. Where can I get sterilized maggots at eleven p.m. in rural Wisconsin?

While it certainly could harbour bacteria in some shape or form, you probably want to let the flesh be as it heals up. Natural process and all. Never hurt me anyway.

The wound probably isn't deep enough for the maggots to really stick around. You would need to attach a rig to your finger to support them as they feed or something.

Lemur, there are plenty of medical forums out on the Internet. Why are you asking in a video-game forum? I mean, come one, we are most certainly the least-life-experienced group of people in the entire collection of tubes teh Internets are. Paper and kitchen-knife cuts are likely the worst we had...

How long have you had the cut? What I usually do is that, after a few days, if the skin is still hanging free and hasn't "attached" to anything then I cut it off. But don't get too hasty sometimes it will take a few days to "attach".

Oh, and betadine is you friend.

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Lemur, there are plenty of medical forums out on the Internet. Why are you asking in a video-game forum? I mean, come one, we are most certainly the least-life-experienced group of people in the entire collection of tubes teh Internets are. Paper and kitchen-knife cuts are likely the worst we had...

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Hey, speak for yourself. In my family a scar is a badge of pride. Plus I'm rather clumsy LOL.

Australians are exempt from that rule. I think it's a law there to have at least once conspicious scar.

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It was a folding handsaw, about two feet long, very sharp, very clean. No motorized saws involved, thank goodness. Just trimming the pine so's the kids can run under it more easily.

I think I'm a prime candidate for larval debridement therapy. Where can I get sterilized maggots at eleven p.m. in rural Wisconsin?

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Cool, no oil or other contaminants. I was going to suggest the maggots, but as AVSM says, probably not enough food for them to do their job. Fingers are tough, you need the mobility and flexibility, and this prolongs the healing process and increases the chance of infection. Hopefully you are right handed. My aforementioned deep cut was on my main hand. At this point I would highly recommend everyone practice wiping their butt with their off hand, just in case. :sweatdrop:

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Lemur, there are plenty of medical forums out on the Internet.

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Lemur,

If you heal level is not high enough you can always use a healing potion or a stimpak.

Lemur: what part of Wisco are you from? I spent the first 25 or so years of my life there.

Move to Canada. Its all free and covered here. Really, they spent 20 thousand once.

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Move to Canada. Its all free and covered here.

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Backroom topic, but nonetheless I heartily disagree. Switch your insurance company instead.

How deep is the cut?

Cut the hand off.

Joking aside it's probably a good idea to get a tetanus shot at the the very least. It all depends when you had your last one. Anti-biotics might be a good idea as well.

As an (ex) first aider myself, it sounds like you did all the right things in the first place but as you're well aware in most cases it's not the wound per-se that the potential problem, it's infection.

Now if it becomes hot and red etc. You know the signs, then you must see a doctor.

By the way as a lifeguard myself in a previous life, what qualifications did you need?

Here in the UK, the minimum just to get an interview was the R.L.S.S. Bronze medallion. Then when on the job we had to qualify annually for the Pool Bronze medallion, which take it from me is a real ball-breaker. A lot harder than the supposed superior Award of Merit. I also got the Award of Merit because I was considering doing the open water bronze and silver cross. I saw sense in the end though and applied for management. :o)

Dead skin is dead skin. I'd trim it off to avoid catching it on something and having it tear off and reopen the wound. As long as there is no infection and you have feeling & movement you should be fine. If not we'll be calling you Lefty Lemur....

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Australians are exempt from that rule. I think it's a law there to have at least once conspicious scar.

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That be a secret rule mate.

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Lemur,

If you heal level is not high enough you can always use a healing potion or a stimpak.

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Cast Mordeheims faithful healer.

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Originally Posted by Strike For The South

Cut the hand off.

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The real mans solution.

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Originally Posted by drone

My aforementioned deep cut was on my main hand. At this point I would highly recommend everyone practice wiping their butt with their off hand, just in case. :sweatdrop:

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I've had my left hand in a cast twice, I know what you mean...

I'm not sure about the wound, as a euroweenie with semi-free healthcare I'd go to a doctor and pay the ten bucks...

Well, he's typing with wounded paws, so he obviously has function and intact nerve endings, etc. Just loose, white (from the cleaning process) skin remaining.

I wouldn't assume it (the skin) is "dead". Keep it clean and covered; change dressing 3 times a day. If it doesn't re-attach in 3 days, you might need a stitch or two, which your nurse friend can tend to.

Like IA said: "red & swollen" = professional medic... an ER at minimum.

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I took the Am Red Cross lifeguard test at age 15, then Senior LG at 17, to qualify for my pool-guard part-time job. First Aid, CPR, rescue techniques, etc. When I first arrived here in San Diego, unemployed, I looked into becoming a lifeguard. Wow. Those guys train and qualify in ocean, white-water, surfer, flash-flood, SCUBA, and any other kinda water rescue - way beyond my experience and training. I admire them, but needed work quicker than their training would allow.

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Lemur: what part of Wisco are you from? I spent the first 25 or so years of my life there.

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In in SE WI, Elkhorn to be exact. As a native informed me, we're the part of Wisconsin with the money and the jobs.

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Backroom topic, but nonetheless I heartily disagree. Switch your insurance company instead.

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Not a realistic option, nor would it be for most Americans. You're stuck with what you've got unless you're independently wealthy.

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Now if it becomes hot and red etc. You know the signs, then you must see a doctor.

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Right, obviously if it shows signs of infection I'll take steps.

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By the way as a lifeguard myself in a previous life, what qualifications did you need?

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It's been years and years, but it was something like this: Massive swimming qualifications. Don't remember all of the details, but you had to qualify in crawl, breaststroke and backstroke in timed trials, and you had to swim something like ten miles in a set time (not all at once, though, and I think you had a week or two to put in the miles). First aid, CPR, boat safety, a bunch of that sort of stuff, all of which required tests and certification.

And let's not forget the lifeguarding test, where you get presented with various situations and have to respond appropriately. They would always pick the biggest, meanest guy to be the panicking swimmer, and he would see if he could pummel you into submission. Exciting times.

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Originally Posted by Husar

I'm not sure about the wound, as a euroweenie with semi-free healthcare I'd go to a doctor and pay the ten bucks...

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If it were ten bucks I would have gone that day to have it looked at. Unfortunately, I have the health insurer from Hell, so not only will I get stiffed for the bill, I won't even know what the true cost is for months. It's agony dealing with these Satanic imps.

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Not a realistic option, nor would it be for most Americans. You're stuck with what you've got unless you're independently wealthy.

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That would appear to be what needs reform then.

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Lemur, there are plenty of medical forums out on the Internet. Why are you asking in a video-game forum? I mean, come one, we are most certainly the least-life-experienced group of people in the entire collection of tubes teh Internets are. Paper and kitchen-knife cuts are likely the worst we had...

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He's not seeking medical advice. He's asking for advice from his interwebs mates. Nowt wrong with that.

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Dead skin is perfectly harmless as far as I know; try applying neosporin (what is that ****, anyway?) again tonight or tomorrow just to be safe, and as soon as the skin hardens and/or begins to change color (even slightly) start cutting it off. Don't cut it all off, as the skin underneath is undoubtedly tender, just enough so you feel safe.

I do have to criticize you, though, for not immediately applying iodine or peroxide, as these both purify wounds with extreme effectiveness. It's like bleach that you can clean your wounds with.

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I do have to criticize you, though, for not immediately applying iodine or peroxide, as these both purify wounds with extreme effectiveness. It's like bleach that you can clean your wounds with.

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None handy, and none in either of my two first-aid kits. Silly, I know. I made do with hot water and detergent, which is oodles of fun to squirt on an open wound.

Index finger's looking really good today, middle finger a little more leprous. But it's been 48 hours, and if an infection were to show up, I'd be seeing signs of it by now.

Neosporin is magic, isn't it?

Hydrogen peroxide is phenomenal. Terminates with extreme prejudice.

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I do have to criticize you, though, for not immediately applying iodine or peroxide, as these both purify wounds with extreme effectiveness. It's like bleach that you can clean your wounds with.

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Best thing is to use peroxide on a fresh wound and then keep applying betadine till it heals. Sometimes I purposely don't do this since it heals too effectively and doesn't leave a scar. :tongue:

IA made a good point though, when was your last tetanus shot? You don't wanna get case of lockjaw.:no:

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Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars

Hydrogen peroxide is phenomenal. Terminates with extreme prejudice.

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Good stuff and reasonably priced.

I guess this means your career as a Jergens Hand Lotion model is over Lem.

This whole thing is an example of why I try to not touch anything that can hurt me. I am loathe to touch wood, because of splinters when I was a kid.

So a desk job....but the staplers...oh god the memories. Who deliberately staples their thumb? COME ON.

Hope it heals Lemur.

Thanks, pever. Looking pretty good today. Index finger closed up perfectly, middle finger less so, too much flesh got chewed up. But it's healing as well, and I've got the bandages off, had a feeling I should let the wounds air out a bit today. I'll re-bandage before I head out with the kids.

So you won't need one of these then.... :laugh4:

Eh, I would just walk over to my family doctor. But I'm in Canada, so... Yeah.

I remember when I broke my clavical, they took me in, examined the break, put me in a sling, gave me painkillers and some clear instructions, and sent me on my way. I don't even remember if they charged me anything...

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In in SE WI, Elkhorn to be exact. As a native informed me, we're the part of Wisconsin with the money and the jobs.

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Ha, I grew up in Mukwonago, just down the road. My folks still live there. Good to hear that you're feeling better.

(Go Brewers?)

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Eh, I would just walk over to my family doctor. But I'm in Canada, so... Yeah.

I remember when I broke my clavical, they took me in, examined the break, put me in a sling, gave me painkillers and some clear instructions, and sent me on my way. I don't even remember if they charged me anything...

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Removed by request. Willing to continue in Backroom.

Hows it looking, Lemur.

Lemur?

Probably a little bit late for sage advice but as long as it isn't to the bone, the finger moves as per usual, no pus is leaking out, no red lines chasing each other up the veins of your arm, or swollen glands in your armpits you should be fine.

I'd leave the removal of the dead edges until the skin has regrown over the wound. By rights it will curl up and drop off of its own accord (the skin, not the finger... although, should that happen I would definately recommend a doctor) but it gets pretty annoying catching on everything.

I am not a medical professional, but if you like my advice I can give you a bill for thousands of $$$$$ too. :deal:


Aren't you meant to sue the manufacturer of the saw for gazillions, for not informing you that the saw blade does a reasonable job on flesh?.

Hey, he's right. You live in america, the land where theives can sue their victims if they slip and break a leg whilst performing various nefarious deeds about the house. You should milk those evil saw makers for every stinking penny.

It's my avowed goal to get through my life without suing or being sued by anyone. We'll see if I can manage it. The less contact I have with the American legal system, the better. (So far my entire tally is two speeding tickets. Not bad for an old dude.)

The fingers healed up perfectly. The middle is going to have a wicked scar, but that's about it. Yup, I left the white/dead flesh alone, and it took care of itself. The turning point was when I took the bandages off to let the wounds get some air; that seemed to kick the healing process into overdrive. Next time I have a camera handy I'll take a pikkie of the healed fingers, just to prove to you that I didn't have to amputate.

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Got my tally wrong, I also had to testify in court one time, when me and another bystander chased a purse-snatcher off an old lady. But I'm not sure that one counts, since I was neither the defendant nor the plaintiff in the case. Still, it's good to keep your contact with the legal system to a minimum.

good to hear, Lemur.

Miotas, were you born in Australia?... because you just fell victim to one of the classic blunders: The most famous is never get involved in a land war in Asia, and only slightly less well known is this: Never agree with something a Kiwi states. :no: What were you thinking? :laugh4: (and of course: Never go in against a Sicilian, when death is on the line!)

Gah! How did I miss your location? :wall: I supose it's alright though, seeing as we were both going after the yanks :tongue:

But what's this land war stuff about?

Oh, and nice to hear you got a decent scar for your troubles, lemur. I always seem to heal too well to get a good scar.

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good to hear, Lemur.

Miotas, were you born in Australia?... because you just fell victim to one of the classic blunders: The most famous is never get involved in a land war in Asia, and only slightly less well known is this: Never agree with something a Kiwi states. :no: What were you thinking? :laugh4: (and of course: Never go in against a Sicilian, when death is on the line!)

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Inconceivable!

Hi Miotas,

Its from a movie from (just) before your time.

The Princess Bride.

It has quite a following in some circles.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093779/


Pevergreen: Don't keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.

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Pevergreen: Don't keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.

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For reference, if you ever come into the Gameroom Miotas, when people use the phrase WIFOM, its a scene from the movie, of which Rob's quote is from.

Look! The cliffs of INSANITY!

my name is inigo montoya etc etc

All healed up:

https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...nia/Fingaz.jpg

It's a terrible picture, I know, but at least you can sort of see where my hot pink scars are forming. All is well.

They must have been pretty deep to warrant a whole thread, because they aren't very long. No offense mate, but next time just suck it up. The solution for a small cut like that is simply to put a tissue on it until it stops bleeding. I can see how some would worry about infection, but that's what I've been doing for my whole life so I'm probably immune to all the common bacteria found in dirt.

Little cuts like that happen all the time when I'm helping out at my nanna's farm and you can't really be bothered taking the 10 minute trek back to the house, so you just put a tissue on it and forget about it.

I have had a cut thinner than that which resulted in my losing feeling in the top of my thumb for several months and it still feels a little dodgy now...

I didn't go to hospital but im pretty sure i would have needed some medical care on the thing (as i was in work a first aider took care of it) considering the pictures were seeing are the 'all healed up' pics then the original cuts must have been pretty damn nasty...

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They must have been pretty deep to warrant a whole thread, because they aren't very long.

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See? One day I've got flaps of flesh and gushing blood, the next it's healed and pretty and I'm getting yelled at because they don't look like much now. Sheesh. Yes, the one on the middle finger was deep enough for a little anatomy lesson.

Sorry, don't mean to offend the Hard Men of the Frontroom with my itsy-bitsy owie.

Perhaps we should all compare scars and tell each other how tough we are.

My scar is bigger than your scar...

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yes?

No?

That is highly appetizing Lemur.

I regret to inform you that it is clearly infected at this point, and we will need to amputate. Specifically, the area above the neck. It can be done outpatient with a rusty spoon. Please contact your local hobo specialist to make an appointment.

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Real men don't have scars, real men take it right down the flesh and have skin grafts instead. Then the really tough men have this on thier face!

Well either really tough men or clumy idiots... I prefer to think really tough men!

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They must have been pretty deep to warrant a whole thread, because they aren't very long. No offense mate, but next time just suck it up. The solution for a small cut like that is simply to put a tissue on it until it stops bleeding. I can see how some would worry about infection, but that's what I've been doing for my whole life so I'm probably immune to all the common bacteria found in dirt.

Little cuts like that happen all the time when I'm helping out at my nanna's farm and you can't really be bothered taking the 10 minute trek back to the house, so you just put a tissue on it and forget about it.

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Hmmm, aparently Miotas seems to be the Black Knight from Monty Pythons' The Holy Grail...

...it is always nice to see celebrities here :clown:

Hey, come on guys. I wasn't trying to do a "real man" thing, I was being serious. If I mentioned it all my friends and family would call me a big sook. If someone else notices it however, then I can do the whole "it was nothing", "it's just a scratch" bit. Of course I wouldn't earn any "manly" points because it has to be quite big for that.

Bringing it up first however, is a big no-no. I remember once I fell of my bike and practically skinned my left under arm bare, because of the position none of my mates noticed it for ages, but I didn't even think of mentioning it, not because I was trying to be tough, but because you just don't.

So yeah, I wasn't being tough, I was just genuinely surprised that he mentioned it.

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Hey, come on guys. I wasn't trying to do a "real man" thing, I was being serious. If I mentioned it all my friends and family would call me a big sook. If someone else notices it however, then I can do the whole "it was nothing", "it's just a scratch" bit. Of course I wouldn't earn any "manly" points because it has to be quite big for that.

Bringing it up first however, is a big no-no. I remember once I fell of my bike and practically skinned my left under arm bare, because of the position none of my mates noticed it for ages, but I didn't even think of mentioning it, not because I was trying to be tough, but because you just don't.

So yeah, I wasn't being tough, I was just genuinely surprised that he mentioned it.

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But mate, you're ignoring the difference in culture.

An Australian man will deny anything is wrong and there is no pain when he's lost an arm. He'd rather die than admit it hurts.

But he'll wince when the pretty lass puts antiseptic on.

Yes, both Aussies and Kiwi's share that in our collective psyche.

I have collected scraps and cuts as part of my work. Here is one that had me off work for two weeks several years ago:

http://homepages.slingshot.co.nz/~robm1/finger 003.jpghttp://homepages.slingshot.co.nz/~ro...nger 003aa.JPG
http://homepages.slingshot.co.nz/~robm1/finger 005a.JPG

Slightly more dramatic than the photos show. The cut was about a quarter of the way down the depth of the finger.

I was installing cables through an office that had plaster ceiling tiles. The tiles are supported by a grid of metal strips that one side of the tiles slot into... normally 2 or 3 mm thick and blunt. To get the cables through the ceiling I attach them to a pvc pipe and throw it across the ceiling before securing it to whatever support system you plan to use.

Naturally you look for sharp hazards in the ceiling space, but I failed to recognise the thinner than normal metal grid as a hazard and forcefully pushed the pipe towards its destination. My closed fist hit and moved along the metal strip, slicing cleanly through my finger.

Luckily that didn't cut any tendons or veins. A quick trip to the nearest doctor's surgery, luckily only about 100 meters down the road, two butterfly stitches, thank you goodbye.

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They must have been pretty deep to warrant a whole thread, because they aren't very long. No offense mate, but next time just suck it up. The solution for a small cut like that is simply to put a tissue on it until it stops bleeding. I can see how some would worry about infection, but that's what I've been doing for my whole life so I'm probably immune to all the common bacteria found in dirt.

Little cuts like that happen all the time when I'm helping out at my nanna's farm and you can't really be bothered taking the 10 minute trek back to the house, so you just put a tissue on it and forget about it.

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This to be honest bud, but always ask if you're not sure.

I tend to go for the stick it back together and wait it out approach, usually works, even fingertips grow back, go figure. I give it a few days then pull or cut the grey bits off, everything still works.

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Naturally you look for sharp hazards in the ceiling space, but I failed to recognise the thinner than normal metal grid as a hazard and forcefully pushed the pipe towards its destination. My closed fist hit and moved along the metal strip, slicing cleanly through my finger.

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Was doing cabling for the office next door to ours and the builder said the same thing. Watch out for them. :laugh4:

Worst cut I've had was self inflicted...kind of.

Was screwing around with cutting tools, had been going through polystyrene with a heated line cutter thing. It went easy, I enjoyed that. So I grabbed a stanly knife and cut through a straw of a McDonalds drink. It sliced through nicely. So I thought I'd try the cup. The top wouldnt cut, so I grab hold of the cup and cut with all my might.

I got through the lip of the cup, the cup and then to the bone of my thumb. Very very thin cut, as it was a stanly knife, but very deep.

I was 11 or so. Owies.

If we are swapping "dumb things I have done"...

When I was about 18 I had a .22 bullet on which I had mangled the bullet using a pair of sidecutters... the bullet was still attached to the cartridge but it was squashed to about 30mm (1 1/4") long. I was holding this thing in my left hand between my thumb and forefinger when, goodness knows why, I crimped the rim of the cartridge. (It's not like I didn't know that the primer is located in the rim of rimfire bullets)

Luckily the bullet was pointing at the ground. The brass exploded outwards and gave me superficial cuts to my thumb and finger. The bullet fired itself into the floor. I was in a car outside a pub at the time and the sound of the thing going off deafened me and I waited nervously for the cops to show up...

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moron!:yes:

I've gotten a bit soft since I've moved to sydney, so the only injury that I've had in recent times was when I was home for chrissy. I was fishing in the river and got a snag and while I was walking out to get it loose I stepped on a oyster and sliced a big chunk out of my foot. I didn't have a camera with me so this picture is from when I got back to sydney about 2 weeks later.

https://i385.photobucket.com/albums/...0/footsore.jpg

That's actually all healed up, it's just that it had yet to get back to the thickness of the rest of my foot, I rarely wear shoes, even here in the city, so my soles are basically one big callus.:laugh4:

It's a bit hard to tell, but it's basically across my whole heel. It kind of hurt, but I though it was just a little cut, and where I had walked out to was a good fishing spot so I stayed there for about 15 minutes. I only realised something was up when my feet started tickling because little fish were nibbling it. Plus side is that all the first aid was taken care of by the saltwater and the fish :laugh4:

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If we are swapping "dumb things I have done"...

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A me and bunch of my cousins were at my nanna's farm and we decided to make some fireworks to kill a bit of boredom. We scraped about 100 sparklers into a glass(*smacks forehead*) bottle and then my cousin who had volunteered to set it off stuck the ingition sparkler in the wrong way. The plan of course was to put the sparkler in and wait at a safe distance for it to burn down and set the whole thing off. The idiot decided he would stick the burning end in first. Glass went everywhere, most of us just got a few scratches, but my idiot cousin caught most of the glass in his stomach. One shard missed his jugular by a few mill. He was in surgery for hours. That was actually only a few years ago, we were all about 18. Sometimes I swear I do that crap just to have an intersting story to tell :laugh4:

I'll be heading back home for about a week with the holidays coming up, so if I collect any decent injuries I'll be sure to show them off :laugh4:

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It's a wonder that Australia and New Zealand has a male population, we all deserve to die at 18.

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It's a wonder that Australia and New Zealand has a male population, we all deserve to die at 18.

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proving the other side = me.

I'm 18, and I don't do stupid things. :grin2:

In fact the most dangerous thing I do is drive to work. And thats not dangerous...

I ran straight into a barbed wire fence the other night, I can see why the cows don't get past them...

It was dark okay...and I may have been drinking...