Wildlife Trade? Allright, I want to bought a cute eagle chick and orangutan baby....

Seriously, I just don't believe when I first see...
Yesterday, I just got back to my hometown in central Java... and then I get bored at home, and go to walk, seeing local "animal market". And what did I found is a really rare, and bizzare things happened, too bad, I forgot to carry my camera.

Well, what I say maybe offend someone who devote themself in wildlife protection, but I saw some group of merchants selling Orangutans, Eagles, Wolves, Ravens and many more "rare animals". Heck, I know there was a rumours that they sold their "forbidden" things "nomadically", sold in city after city in Java... but I never tought that I'll saw them firsthand until yesterday!

So I ask about what price of a cute eagle chick and a little orangutan baby.... well, really shocking if u know...

The eagle chick was sold at Rp 300000 (about 30 dollars), and orangutan baby was sold at Rp 750000 (about 75 dollars)... what the...... and I just tought to attempt bought a nice little eagle chick, and then, I remember, in my home city, this was my parent's home, and they didn't like if I bought animals at home because it is noisy..... Well, then I ask them, when they'll go to Bandung... and they said somewhere about next month (actually, 5 or 6 weeks after), at front of BIP (A local streetside pet trade site).

It was very tempting to bought a cheap, nice and cute "endangered" animals u know.... but half of my conciousness said that "that's wrong!" and thanks to my parent's restriction when it comes to "noisy pets", I cannot bought them here...

But maybe I want to bought them when I was back in Bandung..... and I need fellow orgah's opinion about having an endangered pets, actually, the price of them is soo low, and that Persian Cats or Certified Dogs was much more exspensive... Or in case of "well there was a serious criminal", maybe you could contact Some kind of animal wildlife foundation......... but really, here, we didn't have a good laws on wildlife trade except "cosmetic one"...

Seriously, half of mine want to bought a cute little eagle, but half of mine is feeling guilty...:whip:

It's not a question of guilty - it's a question of not supporting a trade which is fast removing these 'cute' species from the planet. If you really like these animals, help preserve their environments.

Wow, doesn't sound very legal. I hope they're not selling something truly endangered. There are many types of eagles and selling "bald" eagles here is a no no. I understand the appeal but it also leads "wild cats" eating sheep in the UK and snakes eating alligators in Florida.

The simple fact is that every person who buys one of those endangered animals just brings it one step closer to extinction.

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Originally Posted by Cute Wolf

Seriously, I just don't believe when I first see...
Yesterday, I just got back to my hometown in central Java... and then I get bored at home, and go to walk, seeing local "animal market". And what did I found is a really rare, and bizzare things happened, too bad, I forgot to carry my camera.

Well, what I say maybe offend someone who devote themself in wildlife protection, but I saw some group of merchants selling Orangutans, Eagles, Wolves, Ravens and many more "rare animals". Heck, I know there was a rumours that they sold their "forbidden" things "nomadically", sold in city after city in Java... but I never tought that I'll saw them firsthand until yesterday!

So I ask about what price of a cute eagle chick and a little orangutan baby.... well, really shocking if u know...

The eagle chick was sold at Rp 300000 (about 30 dollars), and orangutan baby was sold at Rp 750000 (about 75 dollars)... what the...... and I just tought to attempt bought a nice little eagle chick, and then, I remember, in my home city, this was my parent's home, and they didn't like if I bought animals at home because it is noisy..... Well, then I ask them, when they'll go to Bandung... and they said somewhere about next month (actually, 5 or 6 weeks after), at front of BIP (A local streetside pet trade site).

It was very tempting to bought a cheap, nice and cute "endangered" animals u know.... but half of my conciousness said that "that's wrong!" and thanks to my parent's restriction when it comes to "noisy pets", I cannot bought them here...

But maybe I want to bought them when I was back in Bandung..... and I need fellow orgah's opinion about having an endangered pets, actually, the price of them is soo low, and that Persian Cats or Certified Dogs was much more exspensive... Or in case of "well there was a serious criminal", maybe you could contact Some kind of animal wildlife foundation......... but really, here, we didn't have a good laws on wildlife trade except "cosmetic one"...

Seriously, half of mine want to bought a cute little eagle, but half of mine is feeling guilty...:whip:

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We have a saying here, "A puppy is for life, not just for Christmas".

Just because the Eagle chick is "cute", when it is full grown it will be a killing machine, and you'll either have to take responsibility for it by training it, or watch claw someone's eyes out; or worse.

Similarly with the Orangutan, full grown is perctly capable of killing an adult human male if provoked.

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Originally Posted by miotas

The simple fact is that every person who buys one of those endangered animals just brings it one step closer to extinction.

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More than one step. Orang Utan babies are only got from the wild by killing their mothers, and probably other tribe members.

Depends of the laws on your country and if they are enforced or not, if you buy them its wrong because as mentioned your supporting the illegal commerce of such species.

But understand the temptation of buying them, if I find myself in your situation I probably would buy the lot, at least to contact a wildlife conservation organization afterwards to take care of the animals and the jerks selling them. :whip:

wow man that is pretty crazy. something that open in America.... Well i cant even imagine it.

It would be sort of cool to own a pet eagle. i could train it to kill and then return to my wrist........... Hey if i give you the money will you buy me one....

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just kidding

Oh and it probably isn't a bald eagle, there are other endangered eagles in southeast asia.

The orangutan i would definitely not touch. no plausible deniability :sweatdrop: there everyone knows about orangutans and their rarity. Oh and they are very dangerous.


One final thing the owrst part is they would probably live longer with someone like you who doesn't even know that much about them (i assume of course) than the scum who will probably kill it if he can't sell it. I dont think you should buy any though

Well, those eagle, I check in wikipedia and some other internet resource.... they are endangered Javanese Eagle...... And about orang utans, I think for a while that they are really cruel to be sold..... Oh yeah..... I'll think someone must contact WWF for quickly bought most of these endangered species before they are sold to some "unskilled pet owners". Thanks.

*)NB: well, maybe I bought a wolf cub instead..... At least they are not endangered (Wolf are pests here)

Wolves dont make good pets. They are feral by nature, no matter the training you give em. One day, thay are all lovey dovey, the next, they eat your freakin hand.

Is this legal in Indonesia, Cute Wolf? I would suggest you tip the authorities if not. This seems like the sort of thing that is born out of questionable intent.

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Originally Posted by Shinseikhaan

Is this legal in Indonesia, Cute Wolf? I would suggest you tip the authorities if not. This seems like the sort of thing that isn't born out of questionable intent.

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Eagles and orang Utans aren't legal... they are endangered anyway, that's why someone contact WWF or any wildlife lovers to buy them and relase them back to their natural habitat (PS: Don't jail those traders, they are just poor people need some money quick, too pitiful to be jailed without getting their children out of school).

And Wolf.... they are pests anyway and that's more than legal to shot them on the sight....:laugh4:

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Originally Posted by Cute Wolf

well, maybe I bought a wolf cub instead..... At least they are not endangered (Wolf are pests here)

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You shouold get a dingo :yes: They are just as smart as wolves(domestic dogs are really stupid in comparrison) but they can be raised as domestic pets, they also don't bark, and don't have the allergen that makes people allerigic to dogs. They need a devoted owner to train them though, or they will just become dangerous.

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Also they came from indonesian about 5000 years ago, so really you're just taking them back home :clown:

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Originally Posted by miotas

You shouold get a dingo :yes: They are just as smart as wolves(domestic dogs are really stupid in comparrison) but they can be raised as domestic pets, they also don't bark, and don't have the allergen that makes people allerigic to dogs. They need a devoted owner to train them though, or they will just become dangerous.

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Also they came from indonesian about 5000 years ago, so really you're just taking them back home :clown:

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No they aren't selling dingos..... they sell instead whatever animals can be found in sumatra and java.

That is the most cruel thing you can do to the animals. Can you believe people buy tigers and leopards in the USA as legal pets. It's absolutely disgusting. An animal who needs miles and miles of free space is confined to a few dozen meters/cage. Disgusting.

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Wolves dont make good pets. They are feral by nature, no matter the training you give em. One day, thay are all lovey dovey, the next, they eat your freakin hand.

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Only if your name is Tyr.

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Originally Posted by Motep

Wolves dont make good pets. They are feral by nature, no matter the training you give em. One day, thay are all lovey dovey, the next, they eat your freakin hand.

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Well, you can train wolves, but they are dangerous. Much more likely to kill someone else, rather than you, though.

Imho, yes they may be poor, struggling, blah blah blah. But what they are doing is illegal and also helping in killing animals/species of this planet by selling those animals, and they probably know this to some degree. Instead, contact the WWF yourself or even your own government's agency that deals with this type of action(s) and go from there since you experienced it yourself and no one here has (at least to my knowledge). The idea of owning a "rare" or endangered species should have never arisen in you to even think about buying these creatures unless you yourself plan to help re-release them back into the wild with help from people who know how to do it. I also don't agree with the suggestions on buying wolves or other such creatures that are naturally wild. I think you'll feel a whole lot better Cute Wolf, if you help free those animals.
You should also contact the WWF office in the town/city that you're at as well since there is a chance to get some better evidence.
I also PM'd you.

Just started reading this myself:
Assesment of Great Ape Trade in Sumatra Indonesia
Borneo Orangutan
Sumatran Orangutan
Javan Hawk-eagle

According to Decker's PM For me... I allready sent information about this to WWF....... well, maybe I start to think I should do the right thing.....

Thanks Decker... :bow:


and pray they are caught...

Good man. Better for the apes and better for you, these are not pets they are wild animals, and they are extremely dangerous. The old man of the woods isn't as dangerous as a chimp, but they will tear you apart if you anger/scare them.

I just hope they really get their eyes on my e-mail..... because I report a true story.....

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Originally Posted by Cute Wolf

I just hope they really get their eyes on my e-mail..... because I report a true story.....

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Don't forget they probably receive many of those a day. If it's something you truly care about, there's no substitute for speaking to someone in person (phone call).

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Originally Posted by Cute Wolf

I just hope they really get their eyes on my e-mail..... because I report a true story.....

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Grab a small camera, film it and put it on youtube.

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Originally Posted by Vladimir

Don't forget they probably receive many of those a day. If it's something you truly care about, there's no substitute for speaking to someone in person (phone call).

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Agreed, calling them as well will help a lot. Just don't hesitate about it.

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Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

Well, you can train wolves, but they are dangerous. Much more likely to kill someone else, rather than you, though.

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Once knew a man who trained a wolf for breeding with dogs. He was later killed by the wolf, and one of his clients was injured by a half-wolf.

I knew a guy who owned a Arctic Wolf, beautiful creature, but there was just something about her... had that look in it's eye, that it would kill you without hesitation if you did something it didn't like.

I really do not see the fascination with keeping naturally wild animals?? The only ones that I can see are the domesticated kind which have interacted with humans for a long long time. The idea of wild animals in captivity such as zoo's is something I was never fond of. Just take a look, the whale and dolphin tanks are abysmal, I won't even go there with hippos, and the big cats and Elephants need territory that is huge and allows for roaming and some kind of hunting. But I'd say only a very few select zoo's should be allowed to educate the public into protecting these species in their habitats and how to act accordingly if having contact with them in the wild. The only thing that they were good for beyond the education is the rehab of the injured animals. But other than that, I've never agreed with zoos for the most part.

As for the people who purchase big cats for their own personal what ever. It's unbelievable that that is even allowed! The cages are absurd and pathetic! A constant problem I find, or an underlying tone if you call it that. Is this superiority complex it seems we have against the other inhabitants of this planet. It can be seen by the way we treat them, on the "animal attack shows" ect..

I would like a little oranguntan baby...Then teach it to become a MMA fighter/ bodyguard. By the time it becomes full grown I have it beside me at all time takin care of business.....the possibilities are endless. Of course one day it would kill me in my sleep because it doesnt like taking orders from a 2-bit human, but thats the price of being badass.

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Originally Posted by Mooks

I would like a little oranguntan baby...Then teach it to become a MMA fighter/ bodyguard. By the time it becomes full grown I have it beside me at all time takin care of business.....the possibilities are endless. Of course one day it would kill me in my sleep because it doesnt like taking orders from a 2-bit human, but thats the price of being badass.

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Left turn Clyde.

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Originally Posted by Vladimir

Left turn Clyde.

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Clint Eastwood is considered badass. Almost up there with Chuck Norris.

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Originally Posted by Idaho

More than one step. Orang Utan babies are only got from the wild by killing their mothers, and probably other tribe members.

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Oranutans are mostly solitary. I think they live like Tigers and crocodiles. 1 male and several females all share a territory.

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Originally Posted by lars573

Oranutans are mostly solitary. I think they live like Tigers and crocodiles. 1 male and several females all share a territory.

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But that group there is very tight knit.

So have you gotten a reply yet Cute Wolf? Or at least have you contacted them? I am very curious as to see what has happened and if they might do anthing.

@ Decker
My curiousity result in my unprofessional investigation thread :sweatdrop:
It's born curiousity, but the stinks of animal **** (literally faeces that dumped everywhere), still stains my jacket even today..... just look at my investigation thread :clown:

Well, at least this little journey result in something different in my mind now about animal trade..... as I did witness they are packed and cramped in really filthy condition...:skull:

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Originally Posted by Decker

The only thing that they were good for beyond the education is the rehab of the injured animals. But other than that, I've never agreed with zoos for the most part.

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A vital role they play is in breeding programmes for endangered species.

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@ Decker
My curiousity result in my unprofessional investigation thread
It's born curiousity, but the stinks of animal **** (literally faeces that dumped everywhere), still stains my jacket even today..... just look at my investigation thread

Well, at least this little journey result in something different in my mind now about animal trade..... as I did witness they are packed and cramped in really filthy condition...

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Ahh okay I'll take a look...

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A vital role they play is in breeding programmes for endangered species.

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Eh... I forgot that but there have been a few zoo's that I didn't really think that they should have had certain animals under their care (the cages were pathetic). That usually goes for the animals from the big cats to the elephants, and giraffes in some cases.