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You gotta love it when Anonymous picks a new target. Apparently this thing hatched on Fark four days ago, and it's now all over the internets.
The poll.
The website.
Ars Technica weighs in.
Yahoo answers (that font of disinformation).
Gawker.
Classic Anonymous video.
First the RIAA, then Scientology, and now Glenn Beck. I heart Anonymous.
People really seem to get a kick out of branding us all as Glenn Beck or something, as though his actions a decade ago have some great bearing on Conservatism.
Seriously, are all leftists Michael Moore? "You voted for Obama; you must be a big fat slob."
Eh... no.
But, truth, the guy does seem a bit of a liability lately.
Seems like they went a little to far over the line. I'm fine when it's parody but it needs to be obvious.
Oh, I think the latest Anonymous campaign is quite clearly focused on the man, and not on "conservatism" (whatever you happen to mean by using that word). Beck is notorious for "asking questions" to slime public figures. Giving him a taste of his own methodology seems more appropriate than not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ariovistus Maximus
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Originally Posted by Lemur
Fair enough.
I don't really follow him myself, and when I have he does seem a bit borderline.
The problem with the talk-show lot is that their whole job is to get a reaction, after all. And this can lead to some rather excessive behavior. :thumbsdown:
What goes around comes around. :yes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgbg604XqPY
Just ran across that video. Please, somebody make my day and punch this ridiculously stupid person in the eye so everyone can laugh when he gets a black eye. I could tell when I first saw this guy on tv that he is a massive douchebag, and everything I heard since then has only proven it.
Actual Glenn Beck video.
Worthwhile parody.
For those who aren't familiar with GB, the above clip should give you some notion of how he operates.
Here he is describing how Obama is creating a secret private army to do something or another. Well, he doesn't say it, he asks a lot of questions about it.
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I note that a number of news sites are referring to this act of creative vandalism as "liberal" this-that-or-the-other. I guess they've never heard of Anonymous.
The tactic, the whole "I'm just asking questions; why won't he deny it?" is funny, but the material is a bit far. Killing and raping a girl? That goes a bit beyond the boundary of satire to me.
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Anonymous strikes again! Hehe.
Brilliant! :laugh4:
Satire is a dangerous weapon, that should only be deployed to an educated audience.
I fear that between libellous wickedness like the above and Mr Beck's own seditious lies, the very foundations of the United States are being destroyed. I cannot believe that "conservatives" would support the blatant attacks upon the presidency seen in those clips (so now even Congressmen shout "you lie" in the heart of government) and even worse, those of the left supporting the incrimination of a public figure without trial or evidence. And this in a world where the ignorant mob burns paediatricians from their homes. :no:
Freedom of speech is a very precious commodity - using it to polarise opinion amongst the masses will result in civil strife and the death of democracy.
Fascinating. In my view the reverse applies. Democracy is the means (and the only acceptable means) by which we control polarisation in society and make it manageable. If it were not for democracy, we would witness civil strife and violence throughout our societies every day. And it requires that we bring or keep contentious issues and differences of opinion out in the open so we can find some mode of accommodation for them lest they become too explosive to handle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Banquo's Ghost
This Glenn Beck reminds me of some of the people you can find on youtube who stock up on weapons to fight Obama's New World Order etc. :inquisitive:
Most of them would watch Glenn Beck regularly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Husar
American Politics amuses me greatly.
Now that's a rather excessively broad statement. No one I know is stocking up on guns to fight Obama. In fact they are generally of the oppinion that he's a one-term type of guy. :beam:Quote:
Originally Posted by Husar
Well, it is a show, after all...Quote:
American Politics amuses me greatly.
Just another soap opera for people to check up on every now and then.
And I'm serious that this is the mentality that seems to be growing.
Doing the exact same thing glenn beck does isn't really satire. It's just doing the same thing glenn beck does.
Colbert doesn't come out and imitate O'reilly exactly.
I did what every responsible journalist does. I killed a gerbil and inspected its entrails, then smoked cannabis and studied my cristal bowl.
And yes, I found that not only is Glenn Beck guilty as hell of raping and killing a girl in 1990, but he also deliberately spread rumours about it to spite his mother.
So, um, who is Glenn Beck?
I just wish he would release the documents that prove he didn't rape and kill a girl in 1990. The fact that he has not issued a statement on the matter is troubling.
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Originally Posted by Adrian II
AWESOME!!!
Have a balloon: :balloon:
I'm sorry, satire is one thing, but this is disgusting. That is something you just don't accuse people of. Some of you (especially the lefties, naturally) are revelling in this, but this is nasty and bordering on cruel. How would you like it if they targeted Michael Moore? He's practically the left-wing equivalent of Glenn Beck. Unless you can find me video evidence that Glenn Beck accused someone else of this, this is completely out of line.
EDIT: And I'm more than a little surprised that a mod posted this, when at Paradox most ordinary members were shocked and asking to have it taken down (and most of them aren't exactly right-wing). I was hoping that people here would have a little more decency. I guess not.
No, it's not. I'm talking about specific people, how is that broad? :inquisitive:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ariovistus Maximus
Look for EndTimeWatchman on Youtube, he even made a video where he presented all his guns and explained their merits and that the New world Order won't get him without a fight. I'm sure all conservatives are like this*. :juggle2:
Spoiler Alert, click show to read:
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Originally Posted by Husar
Very well. Well, I'm sorry to have misunderstood you but such statements could be taken to paint a group. Or so I have seen in discussions like this. But I was wrong here. :bow:
There are indeed some whackos out there who dream of fighting FBI agents as they come to drag them away for reeducation... but then there are also people who form discussion groups that worship trees and ask their forgiveness for the lumber business.
It is nothing to do with left or right-wing. The accusation phrased as a question, is parodying Beck himself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars
The solution is easy, Beck apologises and quits doing such stupid things. Instead, he is trying to file lawl-suits against the website owner.
It does have something to do with left and right-wing, but that is neither here or there. Comedy is all well and good, but this is going too far.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beskar
I think it's disgusting how Glenn Beck is allowed to go on tele and fling all these unfounded accusations at various people, destroying their reputation with everyone gullible enough to believe him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars
It's the job of comedy to push boundaries and get us to move beyond them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars
This is more along the line's of Beck's now (partly) infamous tactic of presenting an over the top argument, accusing his opponent of something absolutely made up and then end it with "I'm not saying he is, I'm just saying." The thing people link to most is Beck on Fox and Friends* where he does this exact thing in regards to Obama and the president's perceived racism, Beck's not saying he's racist, just that he has a problem with whites.Quote:
Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars
Is Anonymous going too far in their satire and "turn about is fair play" method of trolling? I honestly don't know. Some of the things both sides say now days about each other have the effect of completely turning me off politics. If you were to find it too much, i can hardly claim you're wrong or missing the joke.
Well sir, good day to you too. *tips top hat, twirls cane*Quote:
EDIT: And I'm more than a little surprised that a mod posted this, when at Paradox most ordinary members were shocked and asking to have it taken down (and most of them aren't exactly right-wing). I was hoping that people here would have a little more decency. I guess not.
*full video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ndc2LX2u98&NR=1
Well, don't we all. It doesn't make the response right.Quote:
Originally Posted by miotas
Some boundaries should stay. Like saying that people rape and murder girls when they don't. If Glenn Beck did this I'd be just as angry with him.Quote:
It's the job of comedy to push boundaries and get us to move beyond them.
I missed the part where he accused Obama of a rape and murder...Quote:
Originally Posted by Monk
Then I wouldn't be surprised if you felt the site is going too far. The accusations are purposefully overblown in attempt to show how deplorable the method is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars
I never claimed Beck said those things.
I'm more like half a mod. Ask anyone, they'll tell you it's true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars
Yes, this is broad, over-the-top satire. It's also derivative, based on a routine by Gilbert Gottfried.
However, I think the outrageousness of the meme is one of its saving graces. Nobody sane believes that Glenn beck actually raped and murdered a girl in 1990, in much the same way that nobody in their right mind believes that President Obama is a crypto-muslim who was secreted into the country in 1961. Both claims are absurd.
Hmmm. I'm not completely sure why this has got you so wound up EMFM. I agree maybe the rape part was a little over the top, asking whether he murdered someone probably would have been fine. But, for anonymous nothing is sacred and nothing works better than shock value, so it's hardly surprising. To your statement: "nasty and bordering on cruel", I think Hosa's post sums it up "What goes around comes around".
Also it feels slightly troll-ish, they want a reaction, they want you to feel disgusted and horrified and angry, etc. Because that's the way any sane person feels after watching Glenn Beck. But, Glenn Beck isn't worth getting bothered about, and neither is this really.
I hate rapists. Hate them. They're worse than almost any other criminal in my book. And Glenn Beck, an irrational pundit though he may be, is not one of them and has done nothing to deserve the comparison.Quote:
Originally Posted by Psychonaut
There is cruel and there is cruel. Making some silly and unfounded statements is one thing (like truthers or birthers). I don't think you can compare an inane conspiracy theory about Obama to this.Quote:
To your statement: "nasty and bordering on cruel", I think Hosa's post sums it up "What goes around comes around".
Ummm ... birthers are proclaiming that our President is an illegitimate traitor who intends to destroy America. Rapists get prison terms; traitors get the death penalty. And let's not go too deeply into the racial context of declaring that a black man doesn't have his papers; the birther take on Obama has a deep, sympathetic resonance with Jim Crow. I guess you'd have to not be an American to call that "inane," EMFM. It's specific, targeted, and it blows a dog whistle on a frequency that evokes a particular response from its intended audience.Quote:
Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars
If you think Anonymous has crossed the line of good taste, that's well and good, but to then say that the falsehoods and hysteria whipped up about President 44 are "inane" cuts the legs out from under your argument.
Truthers and birthers are similar in accusations of treason, and yet you'll notice I don't find them as despicable as rapists. And why would that be?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemur
I don't think it's because he's black. I think that a lot of people jump on the bandwagon for that reason, but I don't think that's why it started. Regardless, the birther movement is silly. Which, incidentally...Quote:
And let's not go too deeply into the racial context of declaring that a black man doesn't have his papers; the birther take on Obama has a deep, sympathetic resonance with Jim Crow.
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If you think Anonymous has crossed the line of good taste, that's well and good, but to then say that the falsehoods and hysteria whipped up about President 44 are "inane" cuts the legs out from under your argument.
I don't know how you can say that birther and truther positions aren't inane. They fit the definition quite well...Quote:
Originally Posted by Dictionary.com
I don't think you really understand American politics. Now, there are a multitude of reasons why one might oppose President 44, and most of them are legit. There are ideological reasons, practical reasons, legal reasons, constitutional reasons, etc., and I'm not disputing any of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars
But when people start inventing stuff out of whole cloth, and a (almost entirely) white group of (mostly) Southern people buy into it, I'm put in mind of Lee Atwater's quote:
You start out in 1954 by saying, “*****, *****, *****.” By 1968 you can't say “*****”—that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff.”
And even that is watered down compared to the birther insanity.
When Beck panders to the birthers, he is explicitly endorsing a racist perspective. When he "asks questions" about the president's legitimacy, he is throwing gasoline on a long-smoldering fire.
As for "inane," as a non-native speaker you are probably unaware of its finer implications, that the subject is "silly and pointless." There's nothing silly about a movement that motivates a small but vocal part of the electorate to declare that a democratic election should be overturned because the black man doesn't have his papers. It's nasty and hateful, actually, qualities that you would never describe as inane. Seinfeld was inane, because it's a show about nothing. Inanity implies a certain fluffy meaninglessness, not malignant delusion.
If we want to take this much further we should probably spin it off into its own thread ...
Lemur's convinced himself that anyone who is angry at Obama must have racial motivations. I don't think you're going to change his mind. :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars
It's worth pointing out that natural born citizen challenges are not unique to Obama. People speculated about whether McCain was a natural born citizen and, yes, there were even lawsuits filed by fringe leftists to challenge his eligibility. Of course, McCain lost, so that kind of put an end to the craziness on his account. We'll never know whether or not we'd still have small bands of kooks running around complaining about his citizenship had he won.
"Birthers" aren't even new to this election cycle. People like George Romney, Barry Goldwater, and (iirc) even Chester A. Arthur had questions raised about their eligibility for office. If someone thinks that this time it's different and they can see into the "birthers" hearts and pronounce them all racists.... well, what can you say? Some even think that all the people who are angrily protesting health care reform are really doing so because they don't like blacks. :shrug:
Is Glen Beck even a birther? Seriously- I don't know. A search on Youtube for "glen beck birther" yields, among other things, this clip from his radio show where he's speaking rather dismissively of them and even seems to suggest that birthers are counter productive.
Regardless, I don't think that claiming he's ineligible for the presidency based on a technicality adds up to treason. :no:
As to the rest of the topic, I think Beck sets himself up for ridicule and deserves it. But I also think frivolously claiming he raped and murdered a girl is in pretty poor taste. I don't know that the best way to paint Beck as an ass is for people to make asses of themselves as well.
Surely I'm not the only left-winger who would laugh if they did this to Michael Moore as well?
If a joke is funny I will laugh, no matter what it's about or who it's aimed at, myself included.
I don't disagree with your argument, but my point is that this only works constructively when civil society has the ability to distinguish between contentious issues based on reasoned evaluation. Satire most certainly has its place in an educated electorate, but there are increasing signs that democracy is being undermined by manipulative demagogues who take advantage of the short attention span currently possessed by voters. This trend increases polarisation in society to the point where contentiousness is the sole point - and nations become fractured.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adrian II
Without preserving a sense of respect for the opposition whilst countering their arguments with reasoned debate, we become Yahoos. And that lets men take us to wars on the basis of lies and abridge our rights using vacuous slogans.
To you, these views are absurd. But how many of your countrymen show the same discernment - or will do in several months' time when this meme has taken hold. Maybe not a huge percentage, but enough to have screaming fits at town hall meetings or, God forbid, take violent action against a well-known celebrity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemur
I know the world is thus, and I rail pointlessly. I wish it were otherwise though.
I find them almost equally funny. :2thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ariovistus Maximus
Xiahou has a point in people making asses of themselves by using his donkey ways. But then I thought being asses is what anonymous is all about...
Lemur, I don't think I can write a better response to you than this. All I can add is that I defend my use of inane, because the birther movement fits every definition of it. It's silly. It lacks sense. And honestly, in the grand course of things, it appears to lack significance as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xiahou
No, I would be terribly upset!!! because he is left-side and I am only looking through my evil right-wing goggles!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
If I am honest, it is only funny because it is a parody of Beck's style, however, making a parody of Michael Moore's style would be amusing as well, if done correctly.
It'd be twice as funny to parody Moore! The man's an easy target though.Quote:
Originally Posted by CountArach
The intended humor would be a bit more effective, in my opinion, if they had not decided upon such an allegation. Perhaps something a bit more bizarre, such as consuming a whole infant for breakfast each day, or something along those lines. Rape and murder are not impossible to believe. They happen. Perhaps more than most here at the .org realize. As such, I find the whole thing rather distasteful.
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shinseikhaan
Oh, I think you could do much, much better. Xiahou's response is typical of his posture when defending the well-defended and championing the enfranchised. If he were unable to ignore what I actually wrote and re-phrase it into broad, meaningless generalities, he'd have to work much harder, and actual communication might occur. Note how he is completely incapable of correctly reading the way I used the word "treason," twisting it to apply to people whom I never referenced. But what's a the difference between subject and object when you're batting for your team, eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars
Note how he re-phrases my argument to suit his purposes, rather than making even the slightest attempt to understand what I am writing. His reading comprehension drops precipitously when parsing an argument with which he disagrees. Convenient.
On the other hand, I'm more than happy to debate people who are capable of arguing in good faith.
The dastardly deeds of Xiahou exposed.
I heard Xiahou murdered this girl in 1990...
I heard Loius was a Socialist...
All these ******* Glenn beck threads made me google who Glenn Beck was... :furious3:
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Originally Posted by Louis VI the Fat
I suspect that part of this satire is about the more dangerous part of the stuff Glenn Beck pulls. That people might actually believe him. For that effect you cannot really have a bizzare case.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shinseikhaan
They stole it from Gilbert Gottfried's segement of the Roast of Bob Saget. Through out his whole piece he kept repeating "Bob Saget DID NOT rape and murder a 14 yearold girl in 1990." Which was shockingly not the most offensive thing he said. That I doubt I could repeat. But the whole thing was overflowing with lulz.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shinseikhaan
Kinneson, Goldwaith, Gottfried... now we know who's running political campaigns: all their evil spawn!.
There ARE people who actually believe him...Quote:
Originally Posted by Ironside
Lemur's response to Xiahou (I will not quote such rude material) was not made with even an attempt of civility. I am sorry Lemur, but I cringed when I read that. An intelligent and civilized person would try to counter Xiahou's arguments and show him where he erred rather than flinging childish insults around. If one cannot control their temper, maybe better not to post at all. Why try to make an unwelcoming and hostile environment because someone does not agree with you? No wonder some choose not to check the Backroom. :no:
As far as the matter of the thread, I think it is low class and irreverant to make any jokes about rape, but esp when you could damage someone's reputation like that. I hate to say it, but it is typical of left wing media. :no:
Shall we get back to topic and forego being beastly to one another?
Thank you kindly.
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Did Banquo murder a kitten in 1990?
Well yeah, of course you...charming irishman.
So what's worse? Some guys believe Anonymous and think Glenn Beck is a rapist(and stop watching his show) or some guys believe Glenn Beck and think the President and the government want to get rid of them to establish some New World Order(and start to buy weapons to shoot government agents/the president)?
At least with anonymous you have an "organization" that is known by it's followers to be just messing around while it appears that there are people who think Glenn Beck is stating serious facts... :wall:
The comments on his YouTube clips that involove a female guest are riotous now, especially the people trying to argue that Beck didn't do it. So far my favorite is the one with the girl who went undercover to planned parenthood, not gonna link because some of the language gets colorful.
We're not saying he did, but the rumour is out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
We know of this rumour. It is just a rumour, but there may be truth to it like there has been to previous rumours we knew were rumoured to rumour.
Banquo's Ghost must have known about the rumour. Of course after the rumour became public, he denied all involvement. Hey, who wouldn't?
The real question is:
Why hasn't Banquo's Ghost issued a formal denial before the rumour started???
Probably because it's not rumour but truth. I murder kittens all the time, and strangle babies whilst in my cups.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adrian II
At least, that's what it says in my Org inbox.
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...n-has-a-ba.jpg
Not that one though.
So there we have it , Glenn Beck did rape and murder a girl in 1990.Quote:
Probably because it's not rumour but truth.
Irrefutable proof, the rumout about Banquo was started in the same manner as the rumour about Beck , Banquo has admitted the truth of it so therefore it must also be true about Beck.
Can I get a show on Fox news now ?
How do you look in a short skirt and makeup?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
I think Tribesman would have to go to CNN or a Democrat-sided news source to work on a show dressed like that.
Good thinking. You'd probably make a great investigative journalist too!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman
Or, with that logic... even a Senator!
TRIBESMAN FOR CONGRESS!!!
Put it in your sig!!!
Wait... you're from the UK. :beam: Oh well; no matter. Go for it.
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Wait... you're from the UK.
Epic FailQuote:
Originally Posted by Ariovistus Maximus
Eire = Ireland.
Like saying a Canadian is from the USA.
All I can say to Tribesman is :laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:
I don't see what the big deal is, they are just the 51st Staters after all, eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by Papewaio
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Ah; sorry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Papewaio
I never payed attention to his location tbh; not a big item on my to-do list. ;) You see, I'm not a dedicated Tribesman follower. :whip:
However based on his posts I gathered that he was from the UK. And I obviously didn't pay attention to his location tab. :embarassed:
Anyways back on topic... :beam: