I want to start a new campaign in Gaul, but which faction is better/more fun to play. Also which difficulty level is recommended for them (I am not a particularly good player so not VH)
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I want to start a new campaign in Gaul, but which faction is better/more fun to play. Also which difficulty level is recommended for them (I am not a particularly good player so not VH)
I remember asking the same question a while back :yes:
It depends if you prefer to play a more democratic faction (Aedui) or a monarchistic one (Arverni)
I always see the Aedui as the more sophisticated of the two factions, plus I prefer the darker green
So I'd suggest Aedui
:2cents:
I can't remember correctly, as I haven't played as either of them, but doesn't only one of them get paved roads?
I thnk both get paved roads, the only diference i remember is that Aedui get Carnute Cingetos, that unit is :daisy: awesome! i think it´s some kind of battle druid?. The Arverni just get Arjos (arverni nobles?). That´s the diference i think ... you now what! i´ll try a campaign with Aedui..:smash::smash:
https://europabarbarorum.com/i/units...e_cingetos.gif
This is one of the units worth playing an entire campaign for. They are absolutely nightmarish enemies, especially if they are placed on a wall. So I suggest you play Aedui (although I have more sympathies for the Arverni). Other reasons are: some special bonuses from unique structures (like Carnac) and a lot of loyalists all over Europe waiting to join you.
I don't see how that realy affects the gameplay?Quote:
Originally Posted by Moosemanmoo
Playing as the Romans, I hated those guys more than the Gaesatae. Their chanting makes them somehow seem..less barbaric and more brave than the other units.Quote:
Originally Posted by athanaric
Its more for people who like to role play their games.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevin
As for the difference between the two, apart from the already mentioned slight unit roster difference the Aedui's expansion regions are more focused towards Iberia and Britain while the Arverni's are more focused towards the east.
Also the Arverni have a better starting position as well because if you kick the Aedui out of gaul they can function as a nice buffer state between you and rome.
Finally the Aedui start out allied to Karthadast while the Arverni do not.
I think you should head over here and check out how the Aedui and Arverni skins look, and choose which ones you like the most. Some aren't updated there though (such as the Arverni Neitos, and the Mori Gaesum), but most are still the same. I am personally in love with the Arjos, they are so sweet looking. Possibly the best looking unit in the game, IMO.
https://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/u...erni_arjos.gif
Oh, and by the way, the Arverni get paved roads as well, and their leader - god-king as he is - got his position through election too. The "more monarchist" remark might make it seem like he didn't if you don't know this already.
They do look (very) good, it's a shame that you really don't need them as Solduros/Neitos cover the heavy infantry spot. Carnute Cingetos bring something a little more unique to the table, and they don't look bad either. Also, the idea of elite warrior druid troops chanting support for their fellow soldiers fits the idea of a more developed Celtic army, imho.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Celtic Viking
The Kuarothoroi are better than the Arjos, but I liked to think of the Arjos as a Western Kuarothoroi.
Better yet: Pick the Casse and then just conquer Gaul :smash:
But if you really must, I prefer the Aedui.
Or, you know, you could play 20 turns of each and see which you like better from that point.
The Arjos are very similar to the Solduros, yes, but there are a couple of differences in the Arjos' favour; namely, they cost ~1000 mnai less to raise, ~300 mnai less in upkeep and have more soldiers per unit. This comes at a price of lesser quality, of course.Quote:
Originally Posted by The General
Compared to the Neitos they have an equal amount of men, but a better shield and better morale, switching javelins for a melee spear. They are also slightly cheaper.
I agree that the Carnutes have a much more unique role on the battlefield, but they are not irreplaceable either. An Arverni god-king can, if he so chooses, cross the channel and get some Drwdae instead. The Arjos have a pretty good balance between cost, unit size, equipment and skill IMBO.
Whether or not the Carnutes Cingetos do more for the Aedui than the Arjos do for the Arverni is not so important a question to me anyway. Actually, they're completely irrelevant to why I prefer Arverni; I do that because they have the strength and the wealth to rule Gaul, while the Aedui are weaklings who stopped the Belgae and Germanic invaders like the house of straw stopped the big, bad wolf. The Aedui do not deserve to rule, they cannot rule, so it's perfectly right and correct for the Arverni to take the rule from them. :clown:
I like this justification, makes me want to start with the ArverniQuote:
Originally Posted by The Celtic Viking
I like that remark - as an Arverni supporter I think I'll make a note of this. Really great reasoning:yes:Quote:
Originally Posted by The Celtic Viking
The Aedui are located into two non-adjoining pockets with the Averni in between and the Romans on their South- East ...this provides the Arverni with a safer,better starting position using their internal lines edge to successively engage the two Aedui halves ... and enjoy peace with the Romans for at least a few years ...
... which provides them with the ability to attack the Arverni from two sides. :laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by ARCHIPPOS
In my current Aedui game I first destroyed an army marching south from Vesontio and laid siege there while another army assaulted Viennos and marched immediately towards Gergovia, destroying the bulk of remaining Arverni forces in a pitched battle before laying siege to the rebel capital itself. Gergovia capitulated a few months after Vesontio fell. The Battle for Gaul was over before it really began.
I find the Arverni to be slightly harder than the Aedui at the start of the game, and the usual outcome of the Gallic Wars by the AI seems to confirm that.
As the Aedui might very well have been the reason why Caesar won the Gallic wars, I'd be tempted to say 'play the arverni, conquer the aedui weaklings and sack Roma'.
The Aedui are indeed a bit easier, but not by much. All in all, they are quite similar factions, though each one has its own flavor. As said you can have a look at each faction's units on EB website, and try both of them for a few turns before you make up your mind :)
Of cause Aedui! They have a boat between modern France and UK, so I like to put my army on this boat, and go to the Britain. :charge: Casse are too weak in the beginning. Also Aedui have nice color and their banner looks like Vanilla Gauls had.
Yeah but the Vanilla Gauls sucked. Especially against the neighbouring factions...Quote:
Originally Posted by Finn MacCumhail
I tend to use the starting fleet for shipping diplomats around, rather than blitzing...
[HINT] If you play as the Romans, usually it is possible to move your starting fleet to Calais during the first few turns (before it gets destroyed by pirates), and then pick up your diplomat there, let him establish trade rights etc. with the Casse, and move him back onto the continent in the same turn. At least I pulled this off two times. Very nice for role playing purposes.[/HINT]
The only thing I do not like about Aedui is that their starting FMs don't have surnames. I remember in my Romanii campaign Lvcivs Cornelivs Scipio and Quintvs Avrelivs Cotto gained surname “Africanvs” :afro:. Their children had these surname too. Is it possible for Celtai FM to gain this surname fighting on the African land? It would be funny.:laugh4:
Only Romans get Roman names. Gallic generals, OTOH, can get funny surnames like "oi Neamha" which means something like "the Berserker" (dunno what exactly).Quote:
Originally Posted by Finn MacCumhail
Thats a pity. But it explains Arverni surname oi Lugous as their shrine of Lugous in the capital. If I'm not mistaken.
Why not play one campign with Aedui and then one campign with Arverni?
Arverni is much more challenging. And I like challenge. :yes:
Of course the Arverni are the best! Aedui are weak half-roman inbreds, who can't stand an Arverni attack for one second. ARVERNI RULE :2thumbsup:
Remember. It was the Arverni who fought Caesar, the Aedui were the ones who called him to help against the Helveti ;-) Weeeaaak.
Just as the Averni had to call in the Suebi under Ariovistus when the Aedui were beating them up...
The conclusion must be that Res Publica Romana and the Sweboz PWN!!!
That's right, save the time one would spend debating and play two campaigns instead :yes:Quote:
Originally Posted by keiskander
Aesthetically, I definitely prefer the Arverni. Gameplay wise, once again, prefer the Arverni because their start location can be a bit difficult (translates to fun.) The Arverni also seem to weigh more heavily on Alpine expansion, which is another reason I prefer them. And, Vercingetorix, need I say more? (pronounce it Ver-sing-jet-or-ix and I kill you)
I would say the Averni, simply because their generals have impeccable taste in terms of their battle wardrobe. I mean, who can withstand anyone who wears a giant swan helmet and dons the imperial purple? :egypt:
On a perhaps related note, have been playing an Averni game, and on one turn my adviser popped up with a message from the Epirotes. They apparently wanted me to take a couple of Illyrian cities in exchange for vague promises of friendship, and I was suddenly allied to them when I accepted the offer by pressing on the advisers face. Is this some sorta timed mission or something? Might be another reason to go (or not go) Averni.
I recall others mentioning the mission as wel, it is indeed a timed one.
I would play Sweboz and destroy them both! Soft Gauls!!
Aedui get the same proposition (or at least I did in my game).Quote:
Originally Posted by JeffSteel
Arverni
Unite --> Defeat Rome --> Start an Empire~D
https://i594.photobucket.com/albums/...s/Celticum.jpg
~Fluvius
Wow, that's quite an impressive feat! I'm not that fond of rushing to be true.
Play the Getai or Sweboz! I don't like the Celtic voicemod that much to be honest. :book:
Quite right. Wou-kin-get-oh-ricks is a bit closer to how its really pronounced in Gallic. :yes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Kikaz
I pronounce it pretty close to that (Waer-Kinj-uh-toe-ricks)Quote:
Originally Posted by Power2the1
The History Channel pissed me off (again) by pronouncing it slovenly as I had shown in my previous post.
Madbriton, why don't you made a poll in these thread?
Me? What about the Pahlava..:clown:Quote:
Originally Posted by A Terribly Harmful Name
Woah, Pahlava's doing nice indeed, didn't notice that at first. In my games Pahlava either is completely passive or conquers 1-3 provinces before the war stagnates for a while until AS starts pushing back. :no:Quote:
Originally Posted by Fluvius Camillus
(AS does too well in pretty much all my games, I have to actually help Pahlavans/Ptolemaioi/etc out to control the AS expansion...)
Really? in most my games they usually end up taking the eastern half of th AS.
A recent example
https://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g...4625/193bc.jpg
ps playing as the Aedui and have beaten the heathenish god king of the Arverni into submission as a client king, where he rightly belongs!
between you and the romani :2thumbsup:Quote:
where he rightly belongs!
I guess you play really long then, look at the date in mine. Your's has insane AI expansion.Quote:
Originally Posted by bobbin
In my Baktrian campaign Pontos conquered Ambrakia in 238!:dizzy2:
~Fluvius
Not to be off-topic, but can we talk about that interesting Roman expansion? I don't think I've ever seen them go Northeast first, but I guess it makes sense as you and the Arverni are blocking the Northwest. Still it's strange how they seem to be ignoring Southern Italy... Or are they just losing there?Quote:
Originally Posted by bobbin
EDIT: Wow and I didn't even notice how the Ptolies control Northern Hellas and yet the KH are hanging on randomly all over the place (I'm assuming due to rebellions, but they didn't get those cities in the Getai homelands by rebellion did they?). I also like how the Getai got split down the middle, the Baktrians are controlling random steppe provinces and nothing more, and poor old Pontos is still managing to hang on by a thread in the middle of that Yellow Monster. Now this may be my eyes deceiving me, but do the Lusotannan control Crete??? Very weird AI expansion there, it should go in the AI progression thread if it hasn't already.
Krete looks unexplored, but thats weird without fog of war, what about Aedui in Southern Hibernia, and somebody took a boat, finally Rhodos is conquered!Quote:
Originally Posted by WinsingtonIII
~Fluvius
The Aedui in Hibernia is explained by the fact that the player is Aedui. However, I am impressed with the Maks for apparently launching a naval invasion of Rhodes as you said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fluvius Camillus
Meh, for some sake of heroism.... I Prefer Avernii......
The Aedui are just some fat man soo love eating boars, so they place it on their banner..... :clown:
Its my Aedui campaign at 193BC, well done with the Pontos expansion as you can see they seem to be sleeping in my one:wall:Quote:
Originally Posted by Fluvius Camillus
The romans did intially expand westwards all the way to Numantia but they lost it all to an attack by me and Carthage, that was when I establised my Arverni client kingdom in Italy. Begin blocked from the west they started moving into Illyria and in corncert with the KH dismembered the Getai empire that existed there previously. As for southern Italy it's half and half really, they are fighting (and losing) but not that hard, Taras seems to revolt to the Eporites every so often but this time it might be permanent.Quote:
Originally Posted by WinsingtonIII
The KH pretty much encompassed all of greece, the balkans and western asia minor (the city in Iberia was a revolt) but have lost most of it to the Ptolemaioi who invaded across the Bosphrorus and split the KH apart.
Crete is actually still a rebel province, the KH have had and army sat there since the beginning of the game but don't seem to have done anything with it.
Get those Goidilic:smash:menQuote:
Originally Posted by bobbin
You know, you could actually force the Baktrians onto Krete just before their last city in Asia falls. That's what I did in my Saka campaign (because the Saka VCs don't require the destruction of any faction). That way, you can have a "Kretan" faction to add to the diversity...Quote:
Originally Posted by bobbin
Sorry for going OT.
That sounds like quite a feat actually. Especially if you do it without the console...Quote:
Originally Posted by athanaric
I had to use the console for the teleportation (of the Baktrian FMs) and for giving myself enough money for the bribe (withdrew the excess sum afterwards of course). Didn't use Forced Diplomacy though. And I had conquered Krete myself beforehand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kikaz
Perhaps an Aedui player could do this even without resorting to money cheats. After all, the huge advantage of Gauls over other Barbarians is their decent, though not spectacular, economy, which allows for some nice bribes.
Aedui definately. Carnute Cingetos are amazing units and their overall feel just seems better than that of the Arverni. Also, the color on the campaign map isn't as galling as that pale lime green.
Actually, in my experience, Sweboz has had the better economy. Maybe, it's because I went east and captured Gotland ASAP? Anyway, I was making 20k per turn for about twenty turns; nose-dived after I bought Eburonum whilst invading Britain (and purchasing nearly half of Casse's military:blush:teehee)Quote:
Originally Posted by athanaric
who was it that was saying how good Balroae are? They were right.
Just wanted to mention that this thread is a dupe. Please use the search function next time. :clown:
I like the Aedui because I really don't like the light green color of the Arverni. :(
https://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/u...i_gaesatae.gifhttps://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/u...i_solduros.gifhttps://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/u...i_teceitos.gif
https://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/u...rni_neitos.gifhttps://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/u...erni_arjos.gifhttps://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/u...i_aljazgae.gif
Nah, Arverni skins look better IMO, even despite their strategy map colour.
https://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/u...i_gaesatae.gifhttps://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/u...i_solduros.gifhttps://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/u...i_teceitos.gif
https://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/u...dui_neitos.gifhttps://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/u...e_cingetos.gifhttps://www.europabarbarorum.com/i/u...i_aljazgae.gif
For comparison:2thumbsup:
Of course, I had to change the Arjos for Cornute Cingetos
Hmm, I much prefer the looks of the Aedui units, particularly that of the Solduros.
And it seems as if the Arveni Neitos have a much smaller shield than those of the Aedui. What is the reasoning behind this?
Yeah, when i was deciding with which one of the two should i pick, i picked the Aedui because their Solduros IMO look much better than the Arverni ones.
Tough call, played with both, tried to roleplay as much as possible ( not taking too much provinces), i had a game where at the year 170BC i had with the Aedui only 5 provinces! It took really huge work to remain alive with such a limited income. But it was fun.
I'm not such a passive person myself, how can you still find it entertaining when you are probably fighting streams of Romani fullstacks? Don't get me wrong, I know everyone enjoys EB in their own way, and I'm glad to hear you enjoy this awesome mod, but I can't just seem to find it fun fighting full stack after full stack:inquisitive: Or am I completely wrong here about your campaign?Quote:
Originally Posted by anubis88
~Fluvius
Heh, it was one of my favourite campaigns. I did miracles without the use of Force Diplomacy. A protectorate with the romas (by the Arverni) made the at ceasfire with me, and after that we agreed to an alliance once the romans backstabbed them. The Arverni had the most borders with the romans, and once they were in trouble, i helped them out. And the NEVER betrayed me! I was just waiting for this to happen every other turn for the first ten years, but after that i stopped worrying. It was kinda like they were under my protectorate, because i helped them survive, but they did give the Romans a few painfull defeats. My greatest enemys became thus the Sweboz, and once it becam stack after stack i just stopped playing.:laugh4:Quote:
Originally Posted by Fluvius Camillus
Huh, I didn't notice that but you're right. :inquisitive: Still, they have the same shield value right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Frontline1944
Oh and I prefer Aedui skins over the Arverni most of the time except the Arverni Neitos and Axemen look better. Were they historically blue ?
I think the shield difference is only in the unit card. I'm pretty sure they're the same size on the battlefield.
How come my campaigns never have hilarious AI expansion....
Honestly, the only interesting thing that's happened to me in three to four campaigns is that in the latest one, a city in Asia Minor rebelled to the Arverni (or they have sent a couple of stacks somehow).
I always wondered why the Celto-Germanic spearmen wore their trousers up so high around their chest. They look like the Classical version of Steve Urkel.
Haha I was thinking the same thingQuote:
Originally Posted by Brave Brave Sir Robin
Ankyra was that city probably, the Galatians' "capital".Quote:
Originally Posted by IrishHitman
Actually, I don't think so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Apázlinemjó
Nikaea is still independent as well.
I think it might be a Black Sea Province, they seem pretty predisposed to rebellion as it is..
The Sweboz are very easy to deal with as a Celtic faction. If you don't want to do bridge battles all the time (the Rhine is a very useful border, albeit with a lot of crossings), just built stone walls (barb style) at your border cities and garrison 6-8 bataroas there.
9 times out of ten their men will get slaughtered on the walls by Celtic longswords, with the other 10% being the rare gate breach.
After like 20 years of this I have multiple silver chevroned Batacorii, Milnaht, and Bataroas. Some even have gold chevrons. As a drawback however those border cities aren't getting infastructure anytime soon....
Use forts.:wall:Quote:
Originally Posted by Grade_A_Beef
Ok that sounds quite fun!Quote:
Originally Posted by anubis88
Watch this beauty, insane AI expansion in my ongoing Baktria campaign!Quote:
Originally Posted by IrishHitman
https://i594.photobucket.com/albums/...illus/AAR7.jpg
My faithful allies Pahlava and Ptolemaioi all took a bite of the decaying Seleucids. At this point my royal army under the eastern Megas Alexandros finally killed Antiochos II Theos in Zadrakata.Also see Pontos conquering Hellas like a madman. Pahlava and Ptolemaioi kept loyal till I conquered Seleukeia and Babylon, then they betrayed me both, Pahlava attacked me everywhere, what resulted in a very quick removal of the pink problem.
Currently Lusotana kicked the Qarthies out of Iberia, a Punic war going on and KH's + Maks slaughtering Pontos. Protectorates: Aedui protects passive Arverni, KH protects Epirus. Also Seleucids suddenly blitzed Hayasdan. See the AI expansion for yourself, at the pic where I ran in Ptolemaios III Euergetes!
https://i594.photobucket.com/albums/...llus/AAR12.jpg
~Fluvius
I just changed my opinion on this matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Celtic Viking
I even somehow changed my opinion on the faction colors, I now prefer Arverni.
WTH how did you do that?:furious3:
I think I prefer Arverni. They have better colour and most of their units look better (though the aedui Teceitos are cooler). Their initial army also does'nt have to worry about sending Lugoae against Bataroas.
Besides, Aedui are weaklings who does'nt deserve to rule the Gaul. They should be burned! (I was first thinking about expelling them to Rome, but that would have been too cruel.):clown: