That's What Katanas Are For

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Cops: Student uses sword to kill intruder
Cuts off man's hand, lacerates his upper body, police say

BALTIMORE - A Johns Hopkins University student armed with a samurai sword killed a suspected burglar in a garage behind his off-campus home early Tuesday, hours after someone broke in and stole electronics.

Some shocked neighbors said they heard bloodcurdling screams in an area just blocks from the university. Police held the student, a junior chemistry major who turns 21 on Sunday, for several hours, but no charges were filed by early afternoon, said police spokesman Anthony Guglielmi.

Around 1:20 a.m., the student heard noises behind the home and noticed a door to the garage was open, Guglielmi said. He grabbed the sword and confronted the intruder — identified by police as Donald D. Rice, 49, a habitual offender who had just been released from jail.
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Rice was crouching beneath a counter, police said. The student asked him what he was doing and threatened to call police.

"When he said that, the suspect lunged at him, kind of forced the kid against the wall, and he struck him with the sword," Guglielmi said.

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Wow, that's cool :2thumbsup:! Does he play STW?

We have an official pandemic! Get the CDC going on the vaccine for Lemur's disease, stat! :beam:

WOW. Honestly, I don't know what to say. :dizzy2: :laugh4:

Shocking! Was the katana even registered? There's no requirement for them to be? Well, there should be. It could save up to three lives per year!

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Well, if somebody had to die at least it was the right person.

I have a friend who would have done the exact same thing, if not with his samurai sword then his crossbow, ninja stars, or various other blades...

'I've got this friend who' ... is that code for yourself?

"And remember, this is for posterity so be honest."

I don't see how the weapon is relevant. Most people have a baseball bat. Hell, if I'd come across a burglar in the middle of the night, the first weapon I'd use are the hockey sticks we have.

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Originally Posted by Hax

I don't see how the weapon is relevant. Most people have a baseball bat. Hell, if I'd come across a burglar in the middle of the night, the first weapon I'd use are the hockey sticks we have.

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I think it's just that the choice of weapon was unusual for this day & age. Whatever one has at hand will do, candlestick, pipe wrench, pool cue, etc... For me, I prefer my trusty .357 mag. I'm not into that marquees of queensberry stuff when ones life is on the line.

I have a gladius hispaniensis ready for any would-be intruders.

Thanx, Europa Barbarorum.

Thats how we do it in maryland :daisy:!!!!! *cocks katana*

I have a..a...a...uhm, I could take my cellphone hostage and threaten to drop it!

I have a plastic lightsaber and a Little Mermaid sword with the face of Ariel's father engraved in the hilt that I can dual-wield if the need arises.

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Originally Posted by drone

We have an official pandemic! Get the CDC going on the vaccine for Lemur's disease, stat! :beam:

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I'd be laughing if this wasn't so serious. We may have to ask Tosa to set up Lemur colonies.

I have a tactical route planned...

Next to the door is a knife on the hat rack, easily accesible. The hallway is narrow, so knife is best choice..

if i have to back off into the living room I have a very sharp machete hanging so I can grab it as I enter, more room for swinging there :)

I hope I never get to use it, but I want to be sure I have the option if the need arises.

Ranged weapons are for girlymen.

I'm disappointed that the intruder's name wasn't Maynard or Zed. :no:

Kadagar, what about the bedroom or the rest of the house? You need more layers of defense...a polearm for the top of the stairs to keep them downstairs, a spear for the upstairs hall - good thrusting weapon for that narrow space (and longer reach than a knife) and you can throw it too. Come to think of it, a cauldron of boiling oil might do better at the top of the stairs. :knight:

Kadavagar don't forget to crenallate your roof and make sure there are plenty of murder holes. :laugh4:

Meh, I'd pack the equipment for them and give them a nice cup of tea. I pay insurance for a reason. I can replace material goods at a whim, but I can't raise the dead.

Mind you I would probably keep my hands on my hickory handled axe if they wanted more then material possessions. And I'd keep the cuppa for fingerprints and DNA.

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Originally Posted by Azathoth

I have a plastic lightsaber and a Little Mermaid sword with the face of Ariel's father engraved in the hilt that I can dual-wield if the need arises.

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Dude. Hardcore. Respect.

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Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV

Ranged weapons are for girlymen.

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Fixed. Use fists! :beam:

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Originally Posted by Reenk Roink

Fixed. Use fists! :beam:

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Gees a Lightsaber would have to do hair removal first to cut that guy down...

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I'd simply use Glamdring. :coffeenews:
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I have a large piece of plumbing right in my bathroom. Sure, I need to procure a monkey wrench in order to detach it from the wall, but when I do, I'll have an unstoppable force no robber could hope to block.

Actually, I collect blades, daggers, and knives.... but should an intruder try to did something in my home.... I'll grab my axe first (those blades are regularly polished and cleaned... too bad to see something stained them.... :embarassed:). That axe are regularly used to butcher chickens, dogs, cats, goats......:laugh4:

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That axe are regularly used to butcher chickens, dogs, cats, goats......:laugh4:

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Yes, truly hilarious.

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Originally Posted by A Terribly Harmful Name

Does he play STW?

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Hate to tell ya, but I believe the bloke is more likely to play Mount and Blade. You know it has that Easter egg Japanese arms and armour, do you not?

Is that you Duncan MacLeod? :2thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Kadagar_AV

Ranged weapons are for girlymen.

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You're not a "work smarter, not harder" type, are ya? ~;p

CR

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Originally Posted by Hax

Yes, truly hilarious.

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Vegetarian?

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Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars

Vegetarian?

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You eat cats and dogs?

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Originally Posted by Ironside

You eat cats and dogs?

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No, but he does, that's his business.

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Originally Posted by AlexanderSextus

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I'm compelled to shave his shoulders... :sick:

I can't decide who's expression in that pic amuses me more...

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Originally Posted by Sasaki Kojiro

I can't decide who's expression in that pic amuses me more...

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The guy on the left is admiring a flock of ducks that just took off.

I still dont understand how someone could have more hair on their upper arm and shoulders than on their forearm... :huh:

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Originally Posted by Reenk Roink

I still dont understand how someone could have more hair on their upper arm and shoulders than on their forearm... :huh:

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It's the result of bear genetics in his pedigree.

Ajax

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Vegetarian?

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Not really the issue here. If it's to extend your own life and to feed upon the animal (which I deem unnecessary, but people do and I respect that opinion) then it's fine. If it's to derive pleasure from the suffering of a living creature, that's something else.

But yes, I'm a vegetarian.

I would have to use a Steel ruler (30 cm) and a BB gun which is broken :sweatdrop:

I have a knife which is not easily accessible and blunt which won't do much good.

Hopefully the BB gun bluff works

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I would have to use a Steel ruler (30 cm) and a BB gun which is broken

I have a knife which is not easily accessible and blunt which won't do much good.

Hopefully the BB gun bluff works

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Isn't it illegal to have a knife that's more than like 6 inches long in Japan unless you have permission?

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Originally Posted by Azathoth

Isn't it illegal to have a knife that's more than like 6 inches long in Japan unless you have permission?

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It seems that way after the incident in Akihabara. Though I think only dagger knifes and stuff purely for stabbing people/ things are banned. Cooking knife is okay I hope.
The knife I have is small vegetable knife which haven't been used for years.

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Originally Posted by Hax

Not really the issue here. If it's to extend your own life and to feed upon the animal (which I deem unnecessary, but people do and I respect that opinion) then it's fine.

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From his comments in other threads I'm fairly sure he does eat them.

Meh. I'll just grab my Bernelli M2 Shotty. That would probably do the trick.

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From his comments in other threads I'm fairly sure he does eat them.

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That's not my point. There's a difference in killing something because you need it, and killing something because you like killing.

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Originally Posted by Hax

That's not my point. There's a difference in killing something because you need it, and killing something because you like killing.

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And what leads you to assume that? From what he posted he wasn't laughing at killing animals, but chuckling at the fact that any intruder would be met with a 'tried and true' weapon.

CR

I thought he was laughing at the fact that he would be using a tool, rather than his deadly weapons because he doesn't want them getting dirty.

In the event of an emergency my weapon of choice would most likely be a cricket bat, or some random tool that I forgot to pack away.

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Originally Posted by miotas

I thought he was laughing at the fact that he would be using a tool, rather than his deadly weapons because he doesn't want them getting dirty.

In the event of an emergency my weapon of choice would most likely be a cricket bat, or some random tool that I forgot to pack away.

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Right..... cleaning up those blades and get em in their rightful places on display case.....:laugh4:

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Originally Posted by Gregoshi

Kadagar, what about the bedroom or the rest of the house? You need more layers of defense...a polearm for the top of the stairs to keep them downstairs, a spear for the upstairs hall - good thrusting weapon for that narrow space (and longer reach than a knife) and you can throw it too. Come to think of it, a cauldron of boiling oil might do better at the top of the stairs. :knight:

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Wait, are we repulsing burglars or fighting zombies?

Edit: I've got a tactical baton obtained from a relative in Law Enforcement.

Now I'm curious. What exactly is a tactical baton? An ASP?

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Originally Posted by OverKnight

Wait, are we repulsing burglars or fighting zombies?

Edit: I've got a tactical baton obtained from a relative in Law Enforcement.

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i'm guessing a 4x Dcell maglite should do the job, but i have easily cleanable wooden floors downstairs so the katana is appealing.

I have one of those maglites and they're quite handy. Not quite as useful as say a baseball or cricket bat but good enough. :yes:

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Originally Posted by Furunculus

i'm guessing a 4x Dcell maglite should do the job, but i have easily cleanable wooden floors downstairs so the katana is appealing.

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I have a kukri.

Good stuff. :yes:

And a Ruger .357 Blackhawk. :beam:

In case of zombie attacks I have a number of gardening implements.

I have an umbrella, one quick jab and he goes down.

No messy questions about lethal force either. Killing intruders isn't actually a good idea, I'm surprised no one has pointed this out yet.

Wouldn't it be self defense? I mean he was a intruder after all.

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Originally Posted by Beefy187

Wouldn't it be self defense? I mean he was a intruder after all.

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Only in countries with realistic self-defence laws.

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Originally Posted by Beefy187

Wouldn't it be self defense? I mean he was a intruder after all.

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If you can prove he's entering, not leaving, and you have reason to fear for your life.

Anyway, I'm extremely disturbed the cavalier attitude here and the lack of concern for human life.

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Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

Anyway, I'm extremely disturbed the cavalier attitude here and the lack of concern for human life.

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They've broken into your house. By doing so they have made their own decision and are responsible for the consequences. If that involves them being shot and killed, In nations with sensible laws, the person defending should never be considered a criminal for defending with lethal force their family and property.

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Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars

They've broken into your house. By doing so they have made their own decision and are responsible for the consequences. If that involves them being shot and killed, In nations with sensible laws, the person defending should never be considered a criminal for defending with lethal force their family and property.

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They make their choices, and we make ours. When confronted with an intruder you can pick up a sword or a staff; that choice is yours and you have to live with the consequences.

I am willing to kill under certain circumstances, but I do not take such things lightly.

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Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

They make their choices, and we make ours. When confronted with an intruder you can pick up a sword or a staff; that choice is yours and you have to live with the consequences.

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Given that choice, if you pick up a staff and go after someone who's broken into your house, you are an utter fool.

Killing is indeed something never, ever to be taken lightly, but given the right circumstances one absolutely must be willing and able to make that choice to defend their family. Someone who cannot has no business having a family, IMO.

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Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

They make their choices, and we make ours. When confronted with an intruder you can pick up a sword or a staff; that choice is yours and you have to live with the consequences.

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Indeed. The right to make these choices, however, should remain with the individual and not the government.

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I am willing to kill under certain circumstances, but I do not take such things lightly.

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None of us do, and none of us should. What we should be is willing to do so when necessary and just.

If your house is dark enough and the floorboards aren't creaky, you could always toss a can or fork over his head and then knock him out from behind while he investigates the noise. That's what Sam Fisher would do, anyway.

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Concern for human life? I'll pass on. If a #$½‘$~@ tries to break into my place I'll do my best to make sure he leaves dead or at least crippled.
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Originally Posted by Whacker

Killing is indeed something never, ever to be taken lightly, but given the right circumstances one absolutely must be willing and able to make that choice to defend their family. Someone who cannot has no business having a family, IMO.

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At 21, he probably didn't have any.

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Originally Posted by Beefy187

I have a knife which is not easily accessible and blunt which won't do much good.

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Its not that knife I used for throwing practice ages ago in ironbark is it?

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Originally Posted by miotas

I thought he was laughing at the fact that he would be using a tool, rather than his deadly weapons because he doesn't want them getting dirty.

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Samurai Warrior: This sword is an ancient piece of steel, the craftsmenship is nothing less than a work of art. It is the last of its kind.
Normal guy: Woah...its amazing... Lifts it out of the holder, goes into a warrior pose.

Normal guy goes walks towards camera and uses sword to put vegemite on his toast.

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Originally Posted by pevergreen

Its not that knife I used for throwing practice ages ago in ironbark is it?

Nope its not.

Samurai Warrior: This sword is an ancient piece of steel, the craftsmenship is nothing less than a work of art. It is the last of its kind.
Normal guy: Woah...its amazing... Lifts it out of the holder, goes into a warrior pose.

Normal guy goes walks towards camera and uses sword to put vegemite on his toast.

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Can't believe you guys eat those things :sweatdrop:

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Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

If you can prove he's entering, not leaving, and you have reason to fear for your life.

Anyway, I'm extremely disturbed the cavalier attitude here and the lack of concern for human life.

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i don't care whether he's coming or going, he's broken into my sacred place with the intention of stealing my holy relics, he's going to get his ass severely kicked.

i'm not intending to disregard, or revel in, the possibility of maiming or death, but the person won't be leaving my house until he has a look of white faced terror at the prospect any further time in my company.

that is my house and my stuff, WTF!

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Originally Posted by Whacker

Given that choice, if you pick up a staff and go after someone who's broken into your house, you are an utter fool.

Killing is indeed something never, ever to be taken lightly, but given the right circumstances one absolutely must be willing and able to make that choice to defend their family. Someone who cannot has no business having a family, IMO.

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I can kill a man at least three ways with a cricket bat or a two foot piece of ash; I can also just break his elbows. A knife is just a killing weapon, and the best way to use it is to step in close and go up under the ribs before he even realises yo're going to do it.

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Originally Posted by Evil_Maniac From Mars

Indeed. The right to make these choices, however, should remain with the individual and not the government.

None of us do, and none of us should. What we should be is willing to do so when necessary and just.

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I think some here are either making light of it or don't care wether they kill someone or not.

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Originally Posted by Furunculus

i don't care whether he's coming or going, he's broken into my sacred place with the intention of stealing my holy relics, he's going to get his ass severely kicked.

i'm not intending to disregard, or revel in, the possibility of maiming or death, but the person won't be leaving my house until he has a look of white faced terror at the prospect any further time in my company.

that is my house and my stuff, WTF!

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According to UK law you can't kill a man running away from you, it's murder.

This thread is worth a good old facepalm.

Seriously people?

"I've got a axe and I kill cats with it, lolz :laugh4:" "Yeah, if someone enters my place I have a whole bunch of knives and and [insert some random useless and nerdy weapon that you probably can't even use correctly] I'm soo cool dudes :yes:"

Grow up people, you all look like 14 years old naruto addicts. Some guy was killed in the incident, and even if I understand the motives - and would probably have tried to incapacitate or kill him too - I don't think there's anything to laugh about.
The fact that you all feel a need to brag about how you'd kill some guy with some exotic weapon in order to feel manly - while I'm pretty sure most of you would be too scared to even move - is quite telling about the sad state of our society.
Further, people who own katana and think they're cool are morons.

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In nations with sensible laws, the person defending should never be considered a criminal for defending with lethal force their family and property.

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Too bad you don't rule my country. I could kill all the 8 years old who jump into my garden because they thrown a ball there with such a great leader. What a wonderful country that'd be.

Philippus and Meneldil are right. If you kill a burglar, you will have to face the consequences (legal, moral and physical)

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Originally Posted by Hax

Philippus and Meneldil are right. If you kill a burglar, you will have to face the consequences (legal, moral and physical)

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But in practical daily criminal news in my country, anyone that you can prove he/she was trying to rob your house, or do some harm with you or your family, may be killed on self defence, and that was completely legal. Actually it was an old, unmodified old Dutch law.

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Originally Posted by Hax

Philippus and Meneldil are right. If you kill a burglar, you will have to face the consequences (legal, moral and physical)

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But you have to have some discernment.

If a guy cuts through my lawn to save time and I plug him in the back, obviously there are a good many consequences I should face. If a guy enters my garage and I rush in there and plug him in the back, there should be some consequences I should potentially face.

However, the man in question went into his garage to investigate, not to mutilate the guy. And when you have a legitimate reason to investigate (i.e. you really think someone's in your house), you should bring along some means of protection if you have any brains at all.

So he brought what was handy, I suppose. In any case, the next point it that he confronted the criminal, but he was CERTAINLY passive as far as the actual homicide went.

The burglar jumped him, right? Therefore, the only thing you can blame the homeowner for is that he went into his own garage.

Basically, you're saying, "Well, if the guy hadn't gone into the garage, the burglar wouldn't have died."

Revoltingly faulty logic. That's like T-boning someone in a busy intersection and blaming it on them.

"I wouldn't have hit his car if he hadn't been driving today!!!"

Come on. How far will you take this? You remind me of an actual case where a guy broke into someone's house while they were on vacation. He came in through the house and went into the garage, not knowing that their garage door was a security door (unlocked on the inside, locked on the outside). So he got himself stuck in the garage, and had nothing but pop to live on until they found him when they came home.

He sued them on account he was stuck in their garage. I'm serious; this happened. You're applying very similar "logic" to this case.

Furthermore, it's easy for you to scream that he should have called the police, thanks to the glorious benefit of hindsight.

But do you call the cops every time you hear a noise in your garage? Obviously the guy had more than general concern that somebody was in his garage, but it's not as if he could have divined that the burglar would charge him while he was holding a great big sword.

He was simply going into his garage to check. I know I've done that; I know a number of people who have done that with a firearm. One acquaintance of mine checked out his garage with a replica blackpowder revolver, because he figured the noise and smoke would scare the living daylights out of any criminal if he fired a warning shot.

Anyways, people feel the need to check out a suspicious noise all the time, and more often than not they bring something with them, just in case. Well, this time it so happened that someone really was in there.

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Originally Posted by Meneldil

Too bad you don't rule my country. I could kill all the 8 years old who jump into my garden because they thrown a ball there with such a great leader. What a wonderful country that'd be.

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You could also invite someone over and then kill them. :dizzy2:

Concerning the whole thread, I think most here would prefer not to end up in such a situation at all and I read in some Frontroom thread that having violent dreams is perfectly normal. :clown:

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Originally Posted by Ariovistus Maximus

But you have to have some discernment.

If a guy cuts through my lawn to save time and I plug him in the back, obviously there are a good many consequences I should face. If a guy enters my garage and I rush in there and plug him in the back, there should be some consequences I should potentially face.

However, the man in question went into his garage to investigate, not to mutilate the guy. And when you have a legitimate reason to investigate (i.e. you really think someone's in your house), you should bring along some means of protection if you have any brains at all.

So he brought what was handy, I suppose. In any case, the next point it that he confronted the criminal, but he was CERTAINLY passive as far as the actual homicide went.

The burglar jumped him, right? Therefore, the only thing you can blame the homeowner for is that he went into his own garage.

Basically, you're saying, "Well, if the guy hadn't gone into the garage, the burglar wouldn't have died."

Revoltingly faulty logic. That's like T-boning someone in a busy intersection and blaming it on them.

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Going to stop you right there.

I don't have that bigger problem with the guy who killed the burgler, though his choice of weapon was strange at least. I do have a problem with all these guys tooling up to kill people that break in and then boasting about how prepared they were. As I said, I have an umbrella and that is more than sufficient for stopping anyone without a firearm.

Blades are only for killing, so if you take a blade you're either stupid or have already decided to kill the intruder.

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I don't have that bigger problem with the guy who killed the burgler, though his choice of weapon was strange at least. I do have a problem with all these guys tooling up to kill people that break in and then boasting about how prepared they were.

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OK, agreed. An interesting commentary on how we are desensitized to violence, don't you think? And of course a lot of people were caught up in the moment, you know...

I have a couple of... defensive tools myself, but I prefer to hope that any criminal that enters my house will balk when threatened with deadly force, as most of them do.

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As I said, I have an umbrella and that is more than sufficient for stopping anyone without a firearm.

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I wouldn't bet on it, but that's your prerogative. Just don't force it, by and large, on everybody, because not everybody can defend themselves effectively with an umbrella.

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Blades are only for killing, so if you take a blade you're either stupid or have already decided to kill the intruder.

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Now here you are using some of that faulty logic again, although I'm glad you don't carry it to the point of absurdity. :bow:

I assume that it would be consistent to say that you are of the oppinion that "Handguns are designed only for killing and should be banned."

Now, you are, of course, right. But the fact is that knives have been around for thousands of years, and everybody has one. Guns, too, are fairly common. They are certainly available even in those countries where they are illegal.

So, the reality is that, if one could instantly remove all guns from planet earth, well, that would save some lives.

However, for one thing then you would just have people with knives fighting people with knives instead of the same scenario with guns. Obviously, regulating the available hardware will not make mankind docile, patient, and honest.

Therefore, the reality is that my handgun is indeed meant to kill, and it is a very unfortunate reality, and one that must not be taken lightly, and certainly not carried out on a whim. It is meant to kill anyone who threatens me or those around me with deadly force.

I gotta go now but we can discuss this further, I trust. :bow:

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Originally Posted by Ariovistus Maximus

Now here you are using some of that faulty logic again, although I'm glad you don't carry it to the point of absurdity. :bow:

I assume that it would be consistent to say that you are of the oppinion that "Handguns are designed only for killing and should be banned."

Now, you are, of course, right. But the fact is that knives have been around for thousands of years, and everybody has one. Guns, too, are fairly common. They are certainly available even in those countries where they are illegal.

So, the reality is that, if one could instantly remove all guns from planet earth, well, that would save some lives.

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Not my point. If someone pulls a knife in a fight, the chances are someone will get cut or killed. Usually it's the guy who pulled the knife and then hoped the "threat of deadly force" would be enough to win. Fact is, only cowards pull knives and don't use them; they get the knives taken off them and then they are the ones to get cut.

If I pull a knife on you, the next thing I'm going to do is kill you, the same with a gun. I'm not going to mess about long enough for you to think about the fact your life might be in danger.

That's why, in the course of events, I'd really rather take a blunt weapon and try to break your elbow.

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Originally Posted by Husar

Concerning the whole thread, I think most here would prefer not to end up in such a situation at all and

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sure, i never want to find someone in my house stealing my stuff. never.

but if i find someone doing it i desire* that they never want to steal from me again either.

* read: i actively desire

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Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

Going to stop you right there.

I don't have that bigger problem with the guy who killed the burgler, though his choice of weapon was strange at least. I do have a problem with all these guys tooling up to kill people that break in and then boasting about how prepared they were. As I said, I have an umbrella and that is more than sufficient for stopping anyone without a firearm.

Blades are only for killing, so if you take a blade you're either stupid or have already decided to kill the intruder.

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rubbish, blades are really good for threatening with.

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Originally Posted by Philipvs Vallindervs Calicvla

Not my point. If someone pulls a knife in a fight, the chances are someone will get cut or killed. Usually it's the guy who pulled the knife and then hoped the "threat of deadly force" would be enough to win. Fact is, only cowards pull knives and don't use them; they get the knives taken off them and then they are the ones to get cut.

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chances are i don't carry a knife on the street.

chances are that if some dies after refusing to leave my house immediately after i tell them to leave, and I judge them to be sound sound mind and legally responsible, i don't really care.

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Originally Posted by Husar

You could also invite someone over and then kill them. :dizzy2:

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No, that would be illegal. The only way you could use violence would be if you invited them, asked them to leave, and they refused. That would actually be a very interesting court case, as it could go either way.

But anybody who breaks into my house, unless I am positive his intentions are somehow innocent (which is practically impossible if he is breaking into my house), is fair game. I'm not saying I would enjoy it - I don't think anyone in this thread would. I am saying that I would not hesitate to defend my property and my life with whatever force deemed necessary by me at the time. Note that I say by me, because it is me in that situation and nobody else.