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Education? (What do you do?)
After looking at the poll on "how old are you" and noticing that most people who post on this forum are either in their late teenage years or in their early to mid twenties I wanted to pose the question, considering the historically accurate nature of EB, how many people here are either studying a related subject at the moment or working in a related field (History, Archaeology, Anthropology etc.) and how many people are studying/working in completely unrelated positions?
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I study philosophy and sociology (i have 5 exams left), but anyway i'm interested in history too so i read some books about that matter. Anyway there exist philosophical approach to history as well, so i wouldn't say that my "job" isn't related to history at all :book:
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I study theoritical chemistry, but I have a lot of interest in history.... I'm now just half year away for completing my bachelor degree, and after that I'll take on magistrate.... Well, my education is the one that "almost completely unrelated" with the history...
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I study history and ancient filology( classical latin and Attican Greek) so i'm practically studying EB. An hour ago in my class, the professor wanted to know how does one use the word "nota,-ae" and it hit me NOTA CENSORIA, and indeed the professor was very pleased with me being the only one to know where to use it...
So EB and my Study complement each other:beam:
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I'm a final year chemistry student so I'm completely unrelated to the field. History is more of a hobby for me.
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Laws school. Got my final exam in 27 days.
Damn I should be studying.
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Classical and Near Eastern Archaeology. 4th Year.
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I'm studying sociology and community/public health, so I'm not really related to EB, as I've never taken a sociology course that dealt with ancient societies. History has always been one of my favorite subjects though, so I try to take some courses on it when I have time. However, the courses I take are usually medieval era, I've only taken one classical era history course.
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-Praetor-
Laws school. Got my final exam in 27 days.
Damn I should be studying.
I have an exam tomorrow, and I'm only studying now :laugh4:.
EB is the culprit.
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Cute Wolf
I study theoritical chemistry, but I have a lot of interest in history....
The same here. I study chemistry, I am interested in theoretical/computational/quantum/physical chemistry and I would like to continue in this field. History, especially ancient and medieval is my hobby.
Dude, I hope we will meet at some conference. :beam:
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History BA, Ancient Times specialization, second year. Actually we don't really study the EB's timeframe that much (yet), but the Classical Eastern (like: Assyrian, Mid-Assyrian, Neo-Assyrian Empires) and Greek (like: Peloponnesian War, Greco-Persian Wars, The Society of Athen and Sparte) periods right now. And EB was quite handy for me, when I had to check the important greek colonies around the Mediterranean Sea. :clown:
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Andronikos
The same here. I study chemistry, I am interested in theoretical/computational/quantum/physical chemistry and I would like to continue in this field. History, especially ancient and medieval is my hobby.
Dude, I hope we will meet at some conference. :beam:
You would be talking EB instead of the subject of the conference :clown:
I was a carpenter, now I am an unemployed Ma in history with a bot of political science added. My speciality is Viking Age- Middle Age, Roman and Military history.
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I study Geography with an emphasis on natural resources and the environment.
It's not really related, although I can always write about how salinization and other destructive soil practices (due to agriculture) turned what was once the famed Fertile Cresent in Roman times into what we see today.....
Those deserts you see in Iraq and Syria aren't just because it's hot there...
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Well, geography sets the setting and limits for developments that become history, so no historian can neglect geography...
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Yeah, that's true. Guess it is related :yes:
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Grade_A_Beef
I study Geography with an emphasis on natural resources and the environment.
It's not really related, although I can always write about how salinization and other destructive soil practices (due to agriculture) turned what was once the famed Fertile Cresent in Roman times into what we see today.....
Those deserts you see in Iraq and Syria aren't just because it's hot there...
Now that would be something interesting to read about...
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First year MA student studying medieval history. I'm really into medieval archeology, but being at an American university I have to be in the history department and not the anthropology department to really study it.
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Psychology, 2nd year.
But I also signed up to some history lessons to satisfy my thirst for history:laugh4:
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-Praetor-
Laws school. Got my final exam in 27 days.
Damn I should be studying.
Law School too.
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Business Economy, first year, first exams next week. I've always been quite good at this. History is more a (large) hobby for me. And for history, I see
1. No great future job rewards,
2. Dutch history school is much more about late medieval till modern times.
3. I dislike the way history is approached at school.
~Fluvius
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Am I the only one who thought this would be about the education of FMs? :dizzy2:
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i study civil engineering
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Andronikos
The same here. I study chemistry, I am interested in theoretical/computational/quantum/physical chemistry and I would like to continue in this field. History, especially ancient and medieval is my hobby.
Dude, I hope we will meet at some conference. :beam:
Hope that my research on inorganic catalysis brings me to some kind of confrence :thumbsup:
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I'm a geology concentration student at colorado state university, fort collins, and I hope to concentrate in paleontology.
I'm at junior level, but I only really just now started in the geological stuff (I'm done with the biological though). I hope to specialize in Archosaurimorph physiology, and documen the dinosaurs in the Arab world, as well as the eastern US. I'm really intereted in eye colors that dinosaurs could have had-kinda wierd, but it might be used. my channel on youtube kind of reflects this-nothing but bird-dinosaur stuff, defending the current science behind it, and talking shop with another paleobiology student (user prof1988):2thumbsup:
I'm supposed to also comajor or minor in mechanical engineering, but my math grades are too poor to let me qualify. (not that it matters-I only agreed to do it for my parents, so while its voluntary, its not critical)
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I'm a Social Sciences major with a minor in Secondary Education.
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I'm a first year university student transplanted from Hawaii to Victoria, BC. I'm studying anthropology with hopes to get into archaeology. I'd really like to specialize in Iron Age Northern Europe, and possibly Iberia too.
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Guys, here's the punch! none will guess!
4th (and last, finally!) year at the national conservatory of Bucharest, I study classical music, I'm an opera signer, Kavalier Bariton (type of voice).
History is an hobby, along with medieval sword fighting, and jousting... a minute of silence for a jousting horse that died this summer... He was a nice bro... i also participate in non-professional rodeos and physicly train a lot (to help for the opera signing)...
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Wow, i certainly didn't expect so many scientists. Well personally i am studying for my masters in Archaeology, mainly specialising in Celtic archaeology. Yes, kekailo, I am living the dream!
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I study theoritical chemistry, 3th year, and has a major interest of historical based lectures (take outside lectures such as history and archeology)... Want to have a research on determining compositions of ancient artifacts... well, at least I made my education suits some of my hobbies at all... you need to determine whether the romans are collapsed from lead poisoning or not eh? an interesting topic of research... sadly I only can study local artifacts here... so I think I'll try to apply scholarship at europe... so I could study roman ruins...
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BA History, first year. Its nice, but the classes start to early (9:00 AM, the sadists) at which point im a zombie.
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I'm a first year with proposed major of history with a minor in linguistics. I'm most likely going to place my emphasis on Europe, looking at particularly the Ancient World. I have aspirations to go on to grad school, receive my PhD, and become a college professor.
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First year MA law student in the university of Ghent. Specialization in international and european law.
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Archaeology, second year, focusing on Classical Archaeology.
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Tanit
Classical and Near Eastern Archaeology. 4th Year.
May I ask where you study? "The Frozen North" sounds familiar. I'd really like to find a place where I could someday expand my studies to Near Eastern Archaeology or History.
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Duguntz
Guys, here's the punch! none will guess!
4th (and last, finally!) year at the national conservatory of Bucharest, I study classical music, I'm an opera signer, Kavalier Bariton (type of voice).
History is an hobby, along with medieval sword fighting, and jousting... a minute of silence for a jousting horse that died this summer... He was a nice bro... i also participate in non-professional rodeos and physicly train a lot (to help for the opera signing)...
Wow!!! I'm impressed.
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Poor you and poor horse.
One of my best female friends is an opera singer, she trains for 3-4 hours 5+ days a week.
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Andronikos
The same here. I study chemistry, I am interested in theoretical/computational/quantum/physical chemistry and I would like to continue in this field. History, especially ancient and medieval is my hobby.
Dude, I hope we will meet at some conference. :beam:
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Cute Wolf
Hope that my research on inorganic catalysis brings me to some kind of confrence :thumbsup:
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Sonic
I study theoritical chemistry, 3th year, and has a major interest of historical based lectures (take outside lectures such as history and archeology)... Want to have a research on determining compositions of ancient artifacts... well, at least I made my education suits some of my hobbies at all... you need to determine whether the romans are collapsed from lead poisoning or not eh? an interesting topic of research... sadly I only can study local artifacts here... so I think I'll try to apply scholarship at europe... so I could study roman ruins...
If we do all meet at a conference (my intrests are similar to Andronikos) its would to be a pretty weird one:laugh4:
ps whats the difference between theoretical chemistry and just plain chemistry? I'm assumng its just a different name as we're likely studying the same stuff.
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Brennus
Wow, i certainly didn't expect so many scientists. Well personally i am studying for my masters in Archaeology, mainly specialising in Celtic archaeology. Yes, kekailo, I am living the dream!
Sounds pretty much exactly what I want to do. Where are you studying?
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I have a BA in International Relations and I'm in third year of a BA in Economics...
Does anyone lives in Brazil?
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Macilrille
Poor you and poor horse.
One of my best female friends is an opera singer, she trains for 3-4 hours 5+ days a week.
Thanks for the care!
and for the opera training, that's correct, it is a lot! you see, the vocals cords ang laringe are muscle that takes way more time to develop than other muscles, and get tired quiet fast, without proper training. I practice qbout 2 to 3 hours a day. for 23 years old, that's quiet good... but the male voice is really mature only after 30, when it gets full expension ans strengh of muscle... but he, as my opera director says : if you wanna carrier in the, you must eat it on your bread! well, in fact, just as any other carrier, if you really want it, you have to put all you got and you get what you want! I think that everyone here on this forum make their studies or jobs out of their passion, as I see so many scientist and archeologists! it's the beauty of it!
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Urg
Wow!!! I'm impressed.
Fact is that, since in Romania, singners are more ''classicly'' educated (attitude talking, not the voice! of corse, we're trained classical way for the voice!), it made me realize how close-minded people can be sometime, and I really didn't wanted my life to be closed on 1 thing! some people consider themself lucky to have a passion in life... I have dozens! but.. I don't have enough of only 1 life to do all what I want! the secret is, love the life and she'll love you!
to frontline1944 : nothing against Romania! I wouldn't be there for 4 years otherwise! when I say many are closed-minded, i'm not talkin' about romanians, but people in general! I just wanted to clarify!
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kekailoa
Sounds pretty much exactly what I want to do. Where are you studying?
Currently at Edinburgh, did my undergraduate in Belfast. Think I may be getting into the La Tene period too much these days, even look like a Gaul now. lol. Where are you?
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Medical biology, specializing in neurobiology. I graduated last year and am now looking for a job as researcher.
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Well, I'm a Forester.
Bachelor (undergraduate) in Forestry (Forest Engineering) last year, and right now in a MSc. in Forest Policy and Economics. But apart my master, I'm unenployed... :sad3:
Yet, every known friend of mine from high school wanted spank me, because I turned down History or Archeaology bachelors as options... but I rather prefer my passion for history to stay as a 'mistress', while I'm spoused to forests and environment trouble. :study:
[ OT mode on ], I'd like to create a thread on the Grade_a_Beef line of study. Other theorie for some deserts in Middle-East claim to be the unprecedent and massive needs for resources as wood and fodder imposed by Alexander the Great Army, during his conquest. But, it's a theorie! [ OT mode off ]
And Seila, I'm from south Brasil, ok ?
Cheers !!! :horn:
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Brennus
Currently at Edinburgh, did my undergraduate in Belfast. Think I may be getting into the La Tene period too much these days, even look like a Gaul now. lol. Where are you?
Geez, you're in one of the best places possible. I'm currently at University of Victoria, and just moved here a couple months ago from home. There's good archaeology programs up here, but all focused on the First Nations program. I'd really like to transfer to possibly somewhere in Western Europe, but I don't really know where to go.
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Japan studies, German as a foreign language and business. All 2nd year...:book:
My father is history teacher and everybody expected me to study history, because as a I child i used to only read history books and always got the best history grades but well, now its just a hobby :juggle2:
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B.S. Chemical Engineering (and possibly Materials Science as well)
2nd year
-Vartan
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It looks like for some oddities, EB attracts chemists.... :laugh4:
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Cute Wolf
It looks like for some oddities, EB attracts chemists.... :laugh4:
Yeah, more chemists play this game than historians... :inquisitive:
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alexanderthegreater
BA History, first year.
Nice - where?
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Brennus
Currently at Edinburgh
Interesting - do they have a good History department? I know it's not your subject, but you might have had a look around or something.
I Am Herenow
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Oy, you lads know how to make a guy feel old...:laugh4:
47 year old big kid and retired from an unrelated profession.
I've always been fascinated with ancient history - the Roman Empire in particular - and really got into reading more about it after I retired about four years ago.
I stumbled upon RTW about a year and a half ago, and have been addicted ever since. I've played several of the mods (kudos to all involved) and am currently running an EB 1.2 Romani campaign, so here I am.:beam:
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BA Politics, first year. Not too much relevance to EB, apart from a few select people and events from the classical period, like the impact of Thucydides (father of realism), Socrates, Plato and the whole concept of Athenian democracy (which comes up again in lectures I think I might scream) on more modern political issues.
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bobbin
If we do all meet at a conference (my intrests are similar to Andronikos) its would to be a pretty weird one:laugh4:
ps whats the difference between theoretical chemistry and just plain chemistry? I'm assumng its just a different name as we're likely studying the same stuff.
That would be great.
Theoretical chemistry is synonym (not 100 %) for quantum chem., computational chem. or chemical physics. That is use of quantum theory (not only) and computers for investigation of chemical phenomena. It doesn't involve working in a lab.
I study plain chemistry too, my major is called chemistry and I have lectures from organic, inorganic, analytical chem., physics, maths... and I have laboratory practice too, but after I receive bachelor degree, I will have to choose specialisation like organics, inorganics and so on. And I want to choose theoretical chemistry.
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I wondered about doing something with History and still am but there simply isn't a job that would fit me what you can use it for. :inquisitive:
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Andronikos
That would be great.
Theoretical chemistry is synonym (not 100 %) for quantum chem., computational chem. or chemical physics. That is use of quantum theory (not only) and computers for investigation of chemical phenomena. It doesn't involve working in a lab.
I study plain chemistry too, my major is called chemistry and I have lectures from organic, inorganic, analytical chem., physics, maths... and I have laboratory practice too, but after I receive bachelor degree, I will have to choose specialisation like organics, inorganics and so on. And I want to choose theoretical chemistry.
Ah ok i get what your saying there, my course is similar except its divided up into physical, organic and inorganic chemistry each with their own set of lab experiments. Personally i'm hoping to specialise in materials science when i get my Honours (writing my dissertation right now) then probably go on and do a Masters or PHD depending on my grade.
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Brennus
Currently at Edinburgh, did my undergraduate in Belfast. Think I may be getting into the La Tene period too much these days, even look like a Gaul now. lol. Where are you?
good university that
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Major in Biology, Minors in Chemistry and Latin.
Currently studying veterinary medicine at the Royal Dick.
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I Am Herenow
Interesting - do they have a good History department? I know it's not your subject, but you might have had a look around or something.
I haven't seen any of their history department, sorry. But why be an historian when you could be an archaeologist? So much more depth. They way I like to look at it is the historian can read Caesar's Gallic Wars and say what the Aedui were doing in 54BC. The archaeologist can tell you what they had been wearing, eating and how healthy they were in 54BC.
Without the archaeological evidence EB would very bland, the Sauromatae, early Saka, Casse, Lusotann and for the most part the Aedui, Arverni and Sweboz would probably be just as generic as the "barbarians" in RTW vanilla. Not to offend the historians amongst us, without you the Hellenic factions and Roma would be very lacking, I just prefer knowing what individuals wore in antiquity rather than where they were.
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BA in International Business, Finance and Economics 2nd year. It's not really related to history, but I was always interested in business as a profession to make money for living. History, on the other hand, is a passion and a hobby - something to relax after uni.
Though you can find some relation between business and history. For example Sun Tzu's Art of War is used as reading for business strategy. We also do quite some stuff with tactics and strategy and these are my favourite bits. They are in a way a blend of business and history.
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Andronikos
That would be great.
Theoretical chemistry is synonym (not 100 %) for quantum chem., computational chem. or chemical physics. That is use of quantum theory (not only) and computers for investigation of chemical phenomena. It doesn't involve working in a lab.
I study plain chemistry too, my major is called chemistry and I have lectures from organic, inorganic, analytical chem., physics, maths... and I have laboratory practice too, but after I receive bachelor degree, I will have to choose specialisation like organics, inorganics and so on. And I want to choose theoretical chemistry.
Nah... in my univ, the theoritical chemistry was merely how to difference chemichal engineering with chemistry....
Both I and CW works on lab... but only I get computation experiment (for calculating some radioactive decays, molecules interaction on time, and more damn subjects...), CW works mostly on lab, and AFAIK didn't take computational science at all (excepting becomes the network administrator last year so he could get the lan to play multiplayers).
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Yet aother Chemist here, 3rd year masters at Bath Uni in the UK. Specialised in drug design and planning my research into Enzymatic Biosynthesis, mainly because I want to see how to use enzymes for quick, easy and natural drug production and metabolism. Some of the most effective drugs out there start off inert in the body, are converted to an active form by enzymes in the target part of the body and then broken down again by other enzymes so they basically never have a chance to cause damage elsewhere.
History is a hobby for me, I'm a real fan of low fantasy and classical age Europe is basically the real world version of that!
We should get a running tally of who does what...
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Brennus
I haven't seen any of their history department, sorry. But why be an historian when you could be an archaeologist? So much more depth. They way I like to look at it is the historian can read Caesar's Gallic Wars and say what the Aedui were doing in 54BC. The archaeologist can tell you what they had been wearing, eating and how healthy they were in 54BC.
Without the archaeological evidence EB would very bland, the Sauromatae, early Saka, Casse, Lusotann and for the most part the Aedui, Arverni and Sweboz would probably be just as generic as the "barbarians" in RTW vanilla. Not to offend the historians amongst us, without you the Hellenic factions and Roma would be very lacking, I just prefer knowing what individuals wore in antiquity rather than where they were.
When I applied for university I wanted to take archeology first, but somehow (:book:) I ended up at history and I still don't regret it. As one of my favourite professors said, the historian's work is like an investigator's, we have puzzle pieces and an unknown case, so our job is to solve the puzzle and find out what really happened. The archeologists' work is different, they find the pieces and analyze them, but it's not their job to put this into the whole picture. For example in Hungary, the archeology bachelors study Pannonia province a lot, while the Roman Empire as a whole not, it's exactly the opposite with us. But it depends on what you like actually, I more like to "work" with the big picture.
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I'm interested in both, and to be a good archaeologist you obviously have to enjoy and have a thorough understanding of history, not only of the place you are working and/or excavating but of the surrounding regions and world as a whole.
But I couldn't be a historian. I love the material culture of ancient societies waaaay to much. The phenomenal detail and skill that's unmatched today is incredible, and being an archaeologist you get to see all that pretty stuff.
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I did Applied Physics at uni; history (especially ancient period) is a hobby.
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I have a BA in the history of ideas/thinking, and will shortly be completing a BA in PR and communication.
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Brennus
I haven't seen any of their history department, sorry. But why be an historian when you could be an archaeologist? So much more depth. They way I like to look at it is the historian can read Caesar's Gallic Wars and say what the Aedui were doing in 54BC. The archaeologist can tell you what they had been wearing, eating and how healthy they were in 54BC.
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I am sorry to say so, and no offense meant, but...
This exhibits a great lack of knowledge of the science/art of historical research...
Source criticism applied is the foundation of historical research, all too many archeologists read the sources and does not apply any criticism/theory. I suspect all too many historians have looked at the material remains and not applied archeological theory/source criticism as well, though I hope that is a thing of the past.
It is seperate sciences for a reason and if I may say so, you have much reading to do and enlightenment to reach if you believe that one can just read the sources and know what happened and I am frankly both surprised and somewhat disappointed by such a view :oops:
You do the digging and thinking, I do the reading and thinking, then we compare notes. Two specialists can do more than two generalists, so it is better thus.
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Now gentlemen if you will allow me to compose my response to the following points ( I mean no offence, this is purely on academics)
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Apázlinemjó
As one of my favourite professors said, the historian's work is like an investigator's, we have puzzle pieces and an unknown case, so our job is to solve the puzzle and find out what really happened. The archeologists' work is different, they find the pieces and analyze them, but it's not their job to put this into the whole picture. .
This point only holds for literate societies that do not have complex political structures. Your point holds true for Rome and Carthage and other major literate political powers. These nations had writers with political bias and leaders that would guide the nation to perform certain acts of conquest, tolerate certain peoples and implement new reforms (the so called "Great Man" theory of German Historiography). Now these great powers were too short lived to be affected by climatic changes in a the way Palaeolithic man was and too well documented that archaeoloy could really alter the picture, however in illiterate or poorly documented societies the archaeologist is responsible for reconstructing the big picutre as best as can be done (e.g. V. Gordon Childe). And in societies where changes are observed lasting for much longer than could be caused by individuals (e.g. spread of agriculture) it is the responsibility of archaeologists (or your own French Annales School) to build up the big picture
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Macilrille
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I am sorry to say so, and no offense meant, but...
This exhibits a great lack of knowledge of the science/art of historical research...
Source criticism applied is the foundation of historical research, all too many archeologists read the sources and does not apply any criticism/theory. I suspect all too many historians have looked at the material remains and not applied archeological theory/source criticism as well, though I hope that is a thing of the past.
It is seperate sciences for a reason and if I may say so, you have much reading to do and enlightenment to reach if you believe that one can just read the sources and know what happened and I am frankly both surprised and somewhat disappointed by such a view :oops:
You do the digging and thinking, I do the reading and thinking, then we compare notes. Two specialists can do more than two generalists, so it is better thus.
I must commend your historical credentials that you were able to extract so much from my short comment. Yes you are correct the two social sciences are distinct for reasons but if I may respond to a few certain points. It is not the duty of the archaeologist to apply critique to historical records from reading them. We read, we excavate, then we criticise. More often than not the historian deals with more precise data, "Why was X at Y in such a year? What were the implications for X thinking at the time? What bias does this infer in X work?" the archaeologist however deals with broader, more blunt data "Why does Z artefact occur throughout region Y? What are the implications for the population" To put it simply you deal with great men's diaries, we deal with commen men's bins. It is your job to critique the historical records we can only disprove them, but as mentioned by someone above the archaeologist must have a good understanding of history that is why archaeology is an auxillary of history. Historical sources for you are you data, they are just guides for us, if we evaluated them we wouldn't be archaeologists, our data is the waste of societies, if you analysed our data you wouldn't be historians.
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Perhaps we should consider archeology and history to be two fields in a hybrid relationship to each other to reconstruct our knowledge of the past. It is true that archeologists analyze archeological evidence, and historians the historical sources, yet the conclusions of archeologists are incorporated in the reconstruction of the past by historians, while the finds of historians can be confirmed or disproven by archeology.
Yet there are some aspects of history which cannot be reconstructed by archeological evidence. I am thinking of certain cultural and sociological aspects, such as political systems, ideology, etc. Which have had a profound impact on our past. Here come in the social sciences such as antropology and sociology. This would add to the earlier mentioned point that history attempts to attain a more general view of our past, incorporating several techniques.
In addition to this, it must indeed be noted that the more general picture history attempts to provide applies only to literal cultures. There is written little about the Celts for example, and generally by outsiders (Romans). In their case it is archeology which provides the bulk of our knowledge.
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And in societies where changes are observed lasting for much longer than could be caused by individuals (e.g. spread of agriculture) it is the responsibility of archaeologists (or your own French Annales School) to build up the big picture
I am inclined to strongly disagree here. It is a misconception that the study of history limits itself to gaining knowledge of a big basket of unrelated events. Au contraire, the central aim of history is to combine sources (not rarely spanning longer periods) to deduct general processes and developments. For example, the transition of the society of the Roman Empire into that of the Middle Ages. According to a somewhat dated theory, the Middle Ages only truly started with the collapse of mediterannean trade contacts due to the Arabic invasion of North Africa in the 8th century (!). Likewise, the serfdom of the Middle ages can be said to have originated in the closer binding of Roman colonists to their ground by their landlords during the Late Empire. (due to labor shortages among other things)
It is also nonsensical to base your perception of history on the Great Man Theory, which hasnt been at the forefront of historical thought since the beginning of the 20th century.
Just my 2 cents. :clown:
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47 year old big kid and retired from an unrelated profession.
I hope you're having a blast. 19 years old here, and personally, age is but a number!
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I want to choose theoretical chemistry.
Nice! Have fun with that =] I'm more of a pragmatist, hence the chemical engineering field for me =)
And yeah...there are so many chemists playing this game!!!
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WE should start a specific chemist group here :laugh4:
BTW, I just completed my study in artifact compotition determination... That's awful, with 0.01 gr of sample, you should able to determine anything from it... one wrong breath and all is over... :wall:
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I think you sum up the situation very well Alexanderthegreater.
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WE should start a specific chemist group here :laugh4:
BTW, I just completed my study in artifact compotition determination... That's awful, with 0.01 gr of sample, you should able to determine anything from it... one wrong breath and all is over... :wall:
Let's start it =]
And yeah. But 0.01g is a full 10mg. That's plenty if you have the right tools and a great lab.
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:laugh4: Best Response so far!
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Let's start it =]
And yeah. But 0.01g is a full 10mg. That's plenty if you have the right tools and a great lab.
He once accidentally blow up (with his nose) an ancient javanese shadow puppet's sample... :laugh4: that sample was actually for a whole class to analyze, but lost because his carelessness :laugh4::smash:
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This point only holds for literate societies that do not have complex political structures. Your point holds true for Rome and Carthage and other major literate political powers. These nations had writers with political bias and leaders that would guide the nation to perform certain acts of conquest, tolerate certain peoples and implement new reforms (the so called "Great Man" theory of German Historiography). Now these great powers were too short lived to be affected by climatic changes in a the way Palaeolithic man was and too well documented that archaeoloy could really alter the picture, however in illiterate or poorly documented societies the archaeologist is responsible for reconstructing the big picutre as best as can be done (e.g. V. Gordon Childe). And in societies where changes are observed lasting for much longer than could be caused by individuals (e.g. spread of agriculture) it is the responsibility of archaeologists (or your own French Annales School) to build up the big picture
I generally agree what you said, those archeologists, who study the pre-witten and "not really" documented cultures, graduated in History too, at least in Hungary. While who work with the "classical" Ancient and Medieval times are usually "simple" archeologists studying mostly their fields only. While the historians (who teach us for example) have a deeper knowledge about the whole said time itself. I like the history department more, because I can study entire countries', fractions', "nations'", empires' struggles, advances, wars, economies (:thumbsdown:), cultures and declines, while with archeology I would feel that I'm "restricted" on one area/time.
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I'm gonna buck the trend here: I'm 32, a Music Producer and Music Technology graduate and lecturer and know absolutely nothing about the time period apart from studying at Roman Britain aged 12. I always had toy soldiers and played Warhammer 40k and used to dream of a day when you could have real battles on a computer so I guess that's why I play.
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At the moment, a full-time bum...
:shame::whip:
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Decided to give a second try to university at the beginning of my mid-thirties and began studying classical philology (Ancient Greek and Latin). :book2:
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I've a long time to decide what i want to be when i grow up but at the moment i have 2 ideas, both involving history.
1. Be an archeologist on the celtic world.
2. Be an World Studies teacher/ancient gallic archeology professor
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full time barbarian
EPIC WIN
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3. I dislike the way history is approached at school.
~Fluvius
This is exacactly correct! In my school system we only ever study their gov't systems and why this affected this and that affected that and so on and so forth.
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I haven't seen any of their history department, sorry. But why be an historian when you could be an archaeologist? So much more depth. They way I like to look at it is the historian can read Caesar's Gallic Wars and say what the Aedui were doing in 54BC. The archaeologist can tell you what they had been wearing, eating and how healthy they were in 54BC.
I agree with all of this completely.
What the heck, how did this double post? I could have sworn i copyed these quotes and pasted them. Oh well. Maybe Ludens can fix this.
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Sort of a Chemist
Sort of in that I'm starting a degree in pure chemistry this september.