Sacred Band

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10-30-2009, 17:27
Zradha Pahlavan

Sacred Band

Does anyone know where this might be from? Is there a Carthaginian preview I am unaware of? The little symbol next to the dude on the far right looks like something from EB...

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/pictu...pictureid=1878
10-30-2009, 17:37
anubis88

Re: Sacred Band

This is RS isn't it?
10-30-2009, 17:40
Ca Putt

Re: Sacred Band

I'd guess Rome total realism, they've got those glossy faction icons
10-30-2009, 17:56
bobbin

Re: Sacred Band

Yep its RTR
10-30-2009, 18:42
Gustave

Re: Sacred Band

Roma surrectum and RTR have really beautiful units - sometimes I asked myself if they were MTW2 mods.
10-31-2009, 02:31
antisocialmunky

Re: Sacred Band

Will EB have awesome Facial Hairs like that?
10-31-2009, 11:22
Leão magno

Re: Sacred Band

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zradha Pahlavan

Does anyone know where this might be from? Is there a Carthaginian preview I am unaware of? The little symbol next to the dude on the far right looks like something from EB...

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/pictu...pictureid=1878

RTR Iberian conflict. refer to twcenter.net for more information
10-31-2009, 16:26
paullus

Re: Sacred Band

Quote:

Originally Posted by antisocialmunky

Will EB have awesome Facial Hairs like that?

Actually, because many of us have trouble growing facial hair, we don't want our units to have the glorious beards we lack. We're jealous enough of the guys as it is. :beam:
11-01-2009, 00:41
Ibrahim

Re: Sacred Band

Quote:

Originally Posted by paullus

Actually, because many of us have trouble growing facial hair, we don't want our units to have the glorious beards we lack. We're jealous enough of the guys as it is. :beam:

well, if you have low self esteem, just do this. you will feel a bit better.:clown: (first 13 senconds)

speaking of sacred band: why are the shields the way they just plain white?
11-01-2009, 01:30
anubis88

Re: Sacred Band

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ibrahim

well, if you have low self esteem, just do this. you will feel a bit better.:clown: (first 13 senconds)

speaking of sacred band: why are the shields the way they just plain white?

I guees they look more badass like that...:clown:
It has probably to do sth with white being the colour of death for the Carthaginians, so they would wan't to intimidate the enemy in such way...

A bit of the topic... Wil the Sacred Band remain in EBII? Since i think there are no historical records of them being used
11-01-2009, 10:30
HunGeneral

Re: Sacred Band

Yep this sacred band appears in RTR: the Iberian conflict.

Alhtough there "ready" stance has changed alot - on this pick they use the Vanilla phalanx formation while in game they use overhand spear with shield wall ability. There the best infantry unit in the whole mod.

I also have heard that white was the Carthaginian colour of death and was ment to intimidate the enemy - I wonder if it really worked...
11-01-2009, 12:56
Ludens

Re: Sacred Band

Quote:

Originally Posted by anubis88

A bit of the topic... Wil the Sacred Band remain in EBII? Since i think there are no historical records of them being used

The SB description in EB1 mentions them being destroyed in the battles for Sicily before EB's time-frame. However, later records mention an elite-unit that took the Sacred-Band's traditional position in the battleline. The name and identity of this unit are not known, so EB went with the older Sacred Band.
11-01-2009, 13:03
antisocialmunky

Re: Sacred Band

Quote:

Originally Posted by HunGeneral

I also have heard that white was the Carthaginian colour of death and was ment to intimidate the enemy - I wonder if it really worked...

Given the color white and an elephant, I would be more terrified of the elephant.
11-01-2009, 14:17
Phalanx300

Re: Sacred Band

Quote:

Originally Posted by paullus

Actually, because many of us have trouble growing facial hair, we don't want our units to have the glorious beards we lack. We're jealous enough of the guys as it is. :beam:

I have trouble keeping it in check. :dizzy2: I gues you should give the Germanics some fine looking beards. :clown:
11-01-2009, 15:24
Bucefalo

Re: Sacred Band

IMHO all the "barbarians" should have nice manly beards, to frighten the "civilized" hellenes and other little boys :clown:
11-01-2009, 19:56
HunGeneral

Re: Sacred Band

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bucefalo

IMHO all the "barbarians" should have nice manly beards, to frighten the "civilized" hellenes and other little boys :clown:

I think we should also let the nomads grow nice mustacheses to make them look more terrfying:yes::clown:
11-01-2009, 20:23
Ibrahim

Re: Sacred Band

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bucefalo

IMHO all the "barbarians" should have nice manly beards, to frighten the "civilized" hellenes and other little boys :clown:

amen to that.

now we sould see if any barbarian can mach this guy's beard:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

https://i260.photobucket.com/albums/..._059/coin1.jpg
11-01-2009, 21:40
Moros

Re: Sacred Band

Quote:

Originally Posted by paullus

Actually, because many of us have trouble growing facial hair, we don't want our units to have the glorious beards we lack. We're jealous enough of the guys as it is. :beam:

I've got a full beard. Actually I look pretty germanic I guess considering I've got long hair too.
11-01-2009, 23:13
antisocialmunky

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Re: Sacred Band

Anyone

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/attac...1&d=1257211932

Much?
11-02-2009, 03:36
Tanit

Re: Sacred Band

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ludens

The SB description in EB1 mentions them being destroyed in the battles for Sicily before EB's time-frame. However, later records mention an elite-unit that took the Sacred-Band's traditional position in the battleline. The name and identity of this unit are not known, so EB went with the older Sacred Band.

Correct. What the Sacred Band really was was the elite right wing of the hoplite phalanx. The Greeks merely referred to it as 'sort of sacred band'. Similarly, the more elite and better equipped of the Carthaginian nobles in the cavalry were viewed as a sacred band.
11-02-2009, 13:44
Phalanx300

Re: Sacred Band

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moros

I've got a full beard. Actually I look pretty germanic I guess considering I've got long hair too.

Well you were Belgian right? Then there's a good chance you do have Germanic ancestors and Belgian (Celtic/Germanic), you should send a photo of you to the EB team for reference. :clown:
11-02-2009, 16:07
anubis88

Re: Sacred Band

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tanit

Correct. What the Sacred Band really was was the elite right wing of the hoplite phalanx. The Greeks merely referred to it as 'sort of sacred band'. Similarly, the more elite and better equipped of the Carthaginian nobles in the cavalry were viewed as a sacred band.

That makes sense, so they should probably form part of my battle line next time i play with carthage. I never really used them, since i thought they were never used. I didn't even think the name was given to them by the greeks:shame:
11-02-2009, 18:03
Zradha Pahlavan

Re: Sacred Band

Quote:

https://i260.photobucket.com/albums/..._059/coin1.jpg

Does anyone else think this guy looks like he's holding a chainsaw?
I never knew the 'barbarians' were so advanced.
11-02-2009, 18:23
Smeel

Re: Sacred Band

Leatherhead wasn't that advanced :idea2:
11-03-2009, 01:47
Ibrahim

Re: Sacred Band

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zradha Pahlavan

Does anyone else think this guy looks like he's holding a chainsaw?
I never knew the 'barbarians' were so advanced.

that's a sword. I think you already know that though :clown:

and he's an Arab-specifically abd al-malik ibn marwan, who was an umayyad Caliph in the late 7th century. this particular coin was before he began to issue a style of dinar independant of the roman pattern, which presented the faces of people on it. He decided we need a new unique style, to flip the finger at the Byzantines, who at the time partially controlled the mint.
11-03-2009, 02:33
antisocialmunky

Re: Sacred Band

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zradha Pahlavan

Does anyone else think this guy looks like he's holding a chainsaw?
I never knew the 'barbarians' were so advanced.

Yes, Ancient Space Marines - if we could only be that lucky....
11-03-2009, 16:27
Apázlinemjó

Re: Sacred Band

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zradha Pahlavan

Does anyone else think this guy looks like he's holding a chainsaw?
I never knew the 'barbarians' were so advanced.

Imperial Stormtrooper from Star Wars!
11-03-2009, 16:42
HunGeneral

Re: Sacred Band

Quote:

Originally Posted by antisocialmunky

Anyone

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/attac...1&d=1257211932

Much?

Now thats what I call a moustahce worthy for a Roman-killer:2thumbsup:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Apázlinemjó

Imperial Stormtrooper from Star Wars!

Sent by Emperor Palpatine to secure Earth as a base of operations in conquering another universe? That does sound great:laugh4:
11-03-2009, 17:53
Ludens

Re: Sacred Band

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tanit

Correct. What the Sacred Band really was was the elite right wing of the hoplite phalanx. The Greeks merely referred to it as 'sort of sacred band'. Similarly, the more elite and better equipped of the Carthaginian nobles in the cavalry were viewed as a sacred band.

Do you mean that there isn't solid evidence that these were sacred units? I am surprised. I thought we knew a bit more about them.
11-04-2009, 22:47
mcantu

Re: Sacred Band

just fyi, this unit is also in RTR-FoE which we will be releasing in a few days...
11-04-2009, 22:48
Tanit

Re: Sacred Band

The EB member Urnamma had access to some sources at his university that I cannot find. Sadly he is on hiatus atm. I personally cannot condone the notion of these units as Sacred as none of the sources I have access to mention such. Granted I do not have access to Zonaras, Dio Cassius or a number of other late historians. I only have access to older, better known, sources (Polybius, Livy, Diodorus, Dionysius, etc).
11-04-2009, 23:06
Ludens

Re: Sacred Band

Thanks for the answer.
:bow:
11-04-2009, 23:52
HunGeneral

Re: Sacred Band

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcantu

just fyi, this unit is also in RTR-FoE which we will be releasing in a few days...

I suspect yes - about 1/3 of all factions (and there units) in FoE were already in TIC and I think they will not remove the Carthaginian Elite.
11-05-2009, 02:39
antisocialmunky

Re: Sacred Band

Can we call them 'The Elite Baby Killers of Carthage' instead? It has a nice ring to it.
11-05-2009, 04:21
Tanit

Re: Sacred Band

Actually there is considerable debate about the validity of that myth. No, the unit name is still in the works but the current most popular suggestion has been 'Citizen Noble Cavalry'

The reason for this is that there isn't really a good word for elite in this sense in Punic. Other options included 'Right Wing Cavalry' which is both too long and too specific.
11-05-2009, 05:14
antisocialmunky

Re: Sacred Band

Picked Citizen Cavalry? Makes them sounds elevated and specially purposed for something that may or may not be the right wing.
11-06-2009, 13:29
Folgore

Re: Sacred Band

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tanit

The reason for this is that there isn't really a good word for elite in this sense in Punic.

EB1 seems to use "Alupim / Aloophim" for 2 units, which is translated to "elite" in the English unit name. What does that mean then?
11-06-2009, 14:11
Foot

Re: Sacred Band

the english names for units in EBI are not direct translations, but rather guides for english speakers.

Foot
11-10-2009, 03:11
Cyclops

Re: Sacred Band

Is there a chance the sacred band will be one of those "one-off" units like in M2TW Crusades? I'd love a handful of those, like a superheavy Vasci for an Iberian faction, or a single Argyrasipdae "stormtrooper" for the AS. Just one of a kind, unspammable. I know unit limits can create that atmosphere well enough, but there's something truly elite about a "one-only" unit.

Not sure we'd need one for every faction, but IMHO there were some creme-de-la-creme forces that could not be in two places at once.

Quote:

Originally Posted by antisocialmunky

Given the color white and an elephant, I would be more terrified of the elephant.

So were the Sacred Band a bit of a white elephant then? umm..you know what I mean...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zradha Pahlavan

Does anyone else think this guy looks like he's holding a chainsaw?
I never knew the 'barbarians' were so advanced.

Clearly a cricket bat. That bloke was captain last time England won a series in Australia.:sweatdrop:
11-10-2009, 18:33
Skullheadhq

Re: Sacred Band

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tanit

The reason for this is that there isn't really a good word for elite in this sense in Punic. Other options included 'Right Wing Cavalry' which is both too long and too specific.

Oh noes!
Please don't name it like that, Right Wing Cavalry makes me think of German Panzers :laugh4:
11-10-2009, 19:47
ziegenpeter

Re: Sacred Band

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skullheadhq

Oh noes!
Please don't name it like that, Right Wing Cavalry makes me think of German Panzers :laugh4:

Zats wy its goot! :party:
11-10-2009, 20:26
HunGeneral

Re: Sacred Band

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skullheadhq

Oh noes!
Please don't name it like that, Right Wing Cavalry makes me think of German Panzers :laugh4:

German Panzer = deadly, moblie army unit, hard to kill and can roll over most opposition it faces... although not always. That does seem to fit for Sacred Band cavalry doesn't it?:clown:
11-11-2009, 17:39
Skullheadhq

Re: Sacred Band

Right Wing Cavalry makes me think about this:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

In politics, right-wing, rightist and the Right are used to describe certain postitions and ideologies. While use of the term Right varies, it is most commonly used to refer to support for preserving traditional or cultural values and customs or for maintaining some form of social hierarchy or private control of the means of production.

Well, just call it something EB-ish
11-13-2009, 00:58
ziegenpeter

Re: Sacred Band

Well I guess then we need some Marxistic-Leninistic Jugunthiz to counter them!
11-13-2009, 18:23
machinor

Re: Sacred Band

Quote:

Originally Posted by ziegenpeter

Well I guess then we need some Marxistic-Leninistic Jugunthiz to counter them!

:laugh4:
Quote of the month! :2thumbsup:

have a balloon! :balloon2:
11-13-2009, 18:42
Skullheadhq

Re: Sacred Band

Quote:

Originally Posted by ziegenpeter

Well I guess then we need some Marxistic-Leninistic Jugunthiz to counter them!

That's good to hear! :laugh4:
11-14-2009, 01:03
vartan

Re: Sacred Band

Quote:

Originally Posted by paullus

Actually, because many of us have trouble growing facial hair, we don't want our units to have the glorious beards we lack. We're jealous enough of the guys as it is. :beam:

As a barbarian I'd like to let you know that not all of us have trouble growing facial hair. Some of us have trouble getting rid of it! Five 'o clock shadow? No siree. More like...two-thirty shadow :laugh4:

P.S. brb....gotta shave!
11-14-2009, 13:13
Ludens

Re: Sacred Band

:focus:

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